Poll
Question:
Who would you Consider Fulham's Greatest Rivals
Option 1: Chelsea
votes: 29
Option 2: Qpr
votes: 31
Option 3: Brentford
votes: 0
Option 4: Gillingham
votes: 1
Option 5: Other
votes: 1
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The survey was carried out in August 2012 and was answered by over 1,200 football fans. Please note that non-league clubs were not included due to fraud restrictions on the survey carrier.
Rivalry... English football's hate stakes revealed
Headline statistics
17 clubs' main rivals have changed since 2003.
Leeds United, Manchester United and Nottingham Forest have the most teams considering them as main rivals (three each).
Gillingham have the fewest rivals, appearing in no club's top three rivalries.
52.2% of fans believe that geographical proximity is the cause of their main rivalry. 34.7% blame it on history whereas 8.2% think it's down to league position.
73.9% of football fans claim they would miss their rivals if they ceased to exist.
Changing rivalries
Since 2003, 17 club's main rivals have changed. They are as follows;
Team Old Rival New Rival
AFC Bournemouth Reading Southampton
Arsenal Manchester United Tottenham Hotspur
Bolton Wanderers Manchester United Wigan Athletic
Brentford Queens Park Rangers Fulham
Carlisle United Middlesbrough Preston North End
Chelsea Arsenal Tottenham Hotspur
Colchester United Wycombe Wanderers Southend United
Coventry City Aston Villa Leicester City
Crewe Alexandra Stoke City Port Vale
Doncaster Rovers Rotherham United Leeds United
Fulham Chelsea Queens Park Rangers
Huddersfield Town Bradford City Leeds United
Oldham Athletic Manchester City Rochdale
Reading Swindon Town Aldershot Town
Torquay United Exeter City Plymouth Argyle
Tranmere Rovers Bolton Wanderers Oldham Athletic
West Bromwich Albion Wolves Aston Villa
Rivalries – Who are they?
Here is a complete list of the 92 Premier League and Football League clubs' top three rivalries;
Team Main rivals Second rivals Third rivals
Accrington Stanley Morecambe Blackburn Rovers Burnley
AFC Bournemouth Southampton Reading Brighton & Hove Albion
AFC Wimbledon Milton Keynes Dons Crystal Palace Crawley Town
Aldershot Town Reading Swindon Town Oxford United / Wycombe Wanderers
Arsenal Tottenham Hotspur Chelsea Manchester United
Aston Villa Birmingham City West Bromwich Albion Wolves
Barnet Stevenage Dagenham & Redbridge Northampton Town / Carlisle United
Barnsley Sheffield Wednesday Sheffield United Leeds United / Huddersfield Town
Birmingham City Aston Villa Wolves West Bromwich Albion
Blackburn Rovers Burnley Bolton Wanderers Manchester United
Blackpool Preston North End Bolton Wanderers Burnley
Bolton Wanderers Wigan Athletic Burnley Blackburn Rovers
Bradford City Huddersfield Town Leeds United Rotherham United
Brentford Fulham Queens Park Rangers Chelsea
Brighton & Hove Albion Crystal Palace Portsmouth Southampton
Bristol City Bristol Rovers Cardiff City Swindon Town
Bristol Rovers Bristol City Swindon Town Cardiff City
Burnley Blackburn Rovers Bolton Wanderers Blackpool / Preston North End
Burton Albion Chesterfield Derby County Notts County
Bury Bolton Wanderers Rochdale Oldham Athletic
Cardiff City Swansea City Bristol City Leeds United
Carlisle United Preston North End Hartlepool United Middlesbrough
Charlton Athletic Crystal Palace Millwall West Ham United
Chelsea Tottenham Hotspur Arsenal Manchester United
Cheltenham Town Swindon Town Oxford United Shrewsbury Town
Chesterfield Rotherham United Sheffield Wednesday Sheffield United
Colchester United Southend United Wycombe Wanderers Ipswich Town
Coventry City Leicester City Aston Villa Birmingham City
Crawley Town AFC Wimbledon Brighton & Hove Albion Swindon Town
Crewe Alexandra Port Vale Stoke City
Crystal Palace Brighton & Hove Albion Millwall Charlton Athletic
Dagenham & Redbridge Barnet Leyton Orient Brentford
Derby County Nottingham Forest Leeds United Leicester City
Doncaster Rovers Leeds United Barnsley Sheffield United / Sheffield Wednesday
Everton Liverpool Manchester United Manchester City
Exeter City Plymouth Argyle Torquay United Bristol Rovers / Yeovil Town
Fleetwood Town Morecambe Blackpool Accrington Stanley
Fulham Queens Park Rangers Chelsea Brentford
Gillingham Millwall Charlton Athletic Swindon Town
Hartlepool United Carlisle United Sheffield Wednesday Sunderland
Huddersfield Town Leeds United Bradford City Sheffield Wednesday
Hull City Leeds United Leicester City Scunthorpe United
Ipswich Town Norwich City West Ham United Colchester United
Leeds United Manchester United Millwall Sheffield United
Leicester City Nottingham Forest Derby County Coventry City
Leyton Orient Southend United Brentford Dagenham & Redbridge / West Ham United
Liverpool Manchester United Everton Chelsea
Manchester City Manchester United Liverpool Everton
Manchester United Liverpool Manchester City Chelsea
Middlesbrough Newcastle United Sunderland Leeds United
Millwall West Ham United Crystal Palace Charlton Athletic
Milton Keynes Dons Peterborough United AFC Wimbledon Northampton Town
Morecambe Accrington Stanley Burnley Bradford City
Newcastle United Sunderland Middlesbrough Manchester United
Northampton Town Peterborough United Milton Keynes Dons Leicester City / Oxford United
Norwich City Ipswich Town Wolves Leeds United
Nottingham Forest Derby County Leicester City Sheffield United
Notts County Nottingham Forest Tranmere Rovers Chesterfield
Oldham Athletic Rochdale Wigan Athletic Huddersfield Town
Oxford United Swindon Town Reading Wycombe Wanderers
Peterborough United Northampton Town Milton Keynes Dons Leicester City
Plymouth Argyle Exeter City Torquay United Portsmouth
Port Vale Stoke City Crewe Alexandra Shrewsbury Town
Portsmouth Southampton Brighton & Hove Albion Millwall
Preston North End Blackpool Blackburn Rovers Burnley
Queens Park Rangers Chelsea Fulham Cardiff City / Stoke City
Reading Aldershot Town Swindon Town Oxford United
Rochdale Bury Burnley Oldham Athletic
Rotherham United Doncaster Rovers Sheffield Wednesday Chesterfield
Scunthorpe United Hull City Doncaster Rovers York City
Sheffield United Sheffield Wednesday Leeds United Barnsley / West Ham United
Sheffield Wednesday Sheffield United Barnsley Leeds United
Shrewsbury Town Walsall Wolves Port Vale
Southampton Portsmouth Brighton & Hove Albion Bournemouth
Southend United Colchester United Leyton Orient Dagenham & Redbridge
Stevenage Milton Keynes Dons Barnet Dagenham & Redbridge
Stoke City Port Vale West Bromwich Albion Leicester City
Sunderland Newcastle United Middlesbrough Leeds United
Swansea City Cardiff City Reading Bristol City
Swindon Town Oxford United Reading Bristol City / Bristol Rovers
Torquay United Plymouth Argyle Exeter City Bristol Rovers
Tottenham Hotspur Arsenal Chelsea West Ham United
Tranmere Rovers Oldham Athletic Bolton Wanderers Everton / Liverpool
Walsall Wolves Aston Villa West Bromwich Albion
Watford Leeds United Crystal Palace Queens Park Rangers
West Bromwich Albion Aston Villa Wolves Birmingham City
West Ham United Millwall Tottenham Hotspur Arsenal / Chelsea
Wigan Athletic Bolton Wanderers Blackburn Rovers Preston North End
Wolves West Bromwich Albion Birmingham City Aston Villa
Wycombe Wanderers Colchester United Milton Keynes Dons Oxford United
Yeovil Town Bristol Rovers Exeter City
York City Rotherham United Leeds United Bradford City
The 20 most offensive clubs to the neutral football fan;
Manchester United
Hated... Manchester United are the most disliked English football club
Liverpool
Leeds United
Chelsea
West Ham United
Stoke City
Millwall
Milton Keynes Dons
Cardiff City
Queens Park Rangers
Manchester City
Arsenal
Tottenham Hotspur
Crawley Town
Birmingham City
Aston Villa
Hull City
Nottingham Forest
Reading
Portsmouth
The 20 least offensive clubs to the neutral football fan were;
Brentford
Buzzing... The Bees are the Football League's least offensive club
Aldershot Town
Burton Albion
Bury
Yeovil Town
Cheltenham Town
Dagenham & Redbridge
Exeter City
Torquay United
Fulham
Bournemouth
Colchester United
Leyton Orient
Rochdale
York City
Carlisle United
Crewe Alexandra
Hartlepool United
Tranmere Rovers
Accrington Stanley
I'm old enough to remember when everyone hated Nottingham Forest.
im not having this for one minute. can you please add a vote so we can choose between chelsea brentford and qpr
cheers for adding vote.
Brentford shouldnt be third. Surely must be Gillingham after the history. No-one has ever cared about Brentford (at any point I have supported Fulham since 1996)
Quote from: Ordar on September 24, 2012, 05:30:28 PM
Brentford shouldnt be third. Surely must be Gillingham after the history. No-one has ever cared about Brentford (at any point I have supported Fulham since 1996)
There was a period during the early eighties and late eighties/early nineties when we had a proper rivalry with Brentford.
Our rivalry with Gillingham covered only 2-3 years of nastiness, which obviously culminated in the sad death of a fan.
50-60s, and mid 70s & '82-86 it was Chelsea
'80/82, '87-93 it was Brentford.
Now, for me, it is definitely QPR.
Quote from: Ordar on September 24, 2012, 05:30:28 PM
Brentford shouldnt be third. Surely must be Gillingham after the history. No-one has ever cared about Brentford (at any point I have supported Fulham since 1996)
Maybe they were rivals more in the 70's 80's and early 90's. They can't stand us still, but i agree i dont consider them as rivals.
In the late 70's and 80's Wimbledon would of featured.
Only one rivalry for me...That's the Filth from Stamford Bridge
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Quote from: mr-ska on September 24, 2012, 05:44:30 PM
In the late 70's and 80's Wimbledon would of featured.
Not the 70s as they were non league/4th div for most of it, but sort of during the early 80s. However for those of us north of the river in West London, Brentford was a bigger deal than Wimbledon
I hate Chelsea more than QPR, but because I have so many QPR supporting friends the order is close to changing.
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QPR
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Quote from: Chesh on September 24, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: Ordar on September 24, 2012, 05:30:28 PM
Brentford shouldnt be third. Surely must be Gillingham after the history. No-one has ever cared about Brentford (at any point I have supported Fulham since 1996)
There was a period during the early eighties and late eighties/early nineties when we had a proper rivalry with Brentford.
Our rivalry with Gillingham covered only 2-3 years of nastiness, which obviously culminated in the sad death of a fan.
50-60s, and mid 70s & '82-86 it was Chelsea
'80/82, '87-93 it was Brentford.
Now, for me, it is definitely QPR.
50-60s, Chelsea, no way, a lot of fans used to go to both so that is not true.
Interesting notes: according to the survey, we are the only club currently in the Premier League that is in the 20 least hated. Also, all major London clubs are in the 20 most hated except Fulham.
Does this mean the club is appreciated? Or merely ignored?
Quote from: epsomraver on September 24, 2012, 10:24:03 PM
Quote from: Chesh on September 24, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: Ordar on September 24, 2012, 05:30:28 PM
Brentford shouldnt be third. Surely must be Gillingham after the history. No-one has ever cared about Brentford (at any point I have supported Fulham since 1996)
There was a period during the early eighties and late eighties/early nineties when we had a proper rivalry with Brentford.
Our rivalry with Gillingham covered only 2-3 years of nastiness, which obviously culminated in the sad death of a fan.
50-60s, and mid 70s & '82-86 it was Chelsea
'80/82, '87-93 it was Brentford.
Now, for me, it is definitely QPR.
50-60s, Chelsea, no way, a lot of fans used to go to both so that is not true.
It might have been a relatively friendly rivalry, but in so far as that was when we tended to play them most often, they were surely rivals to us more than any other back then, no?
Quote from: Chesh on September 24, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: Ordar on September 24, 2012, 05:30:28 PM
Brentford shouldnt be third. Surely must be Gillingham after the history. No-one has ever cared about Brentford (at any point I have supported Fulham since 1996)
There was a period during the early eighties and late eighties/early nineties when we had a proper rivalry with Brentford.
Our rivalry with Gillingham covered only 2-3 years of nastiness, which obviously culminated in the sad death of a fan.
50-60s, and mid 70s & '82-86 it was Chelsea
'80/82, '87-93 it was Brentford.
Now, for me, it is definitely QPR.
80-82 is too early for me but mid eighties definitely Chelsea and late 80s-early 90s Brentford. Although it has never been a hatred toward Brentford i think. Rivalry yes but not hatred from our standpoint. I think we look at Brentford the way Chelsea look at us.
I personally hate Gillingham with a passion and always have but thats because I grew up in Kent. Our rivalry with them blew up for a couple of seasons because of the tragic incident mentioned but i don't think it can be classed as a real rivalry
I have never seen QPR as true rivals and i don't think i ever will. Even through the proposed merger i don't think there was any hatred between the fans. Neither set of fans wanted it. But i understand for some they are seen as big rivals
For me our main rivals will always be Chelsea
Why does anyone actually see QPR as our biggest rivals... who here actually considered QPR anything before they were promoted? my dad as a old school member of Fulham always sees them as a small rival who had a bunch of cocky mouth deluded fans whereas Chelsea fans were always glory hunters who gave of the wrong morals, singing about John Terry sleeping with Wayne Bridges Missus and Anton Ferdinand's ethicist. the reason many of you hate QPR more then Chelsea now is because we've beaten them back to back, whereas when we play Chelsea we let chance after chance go for example that last min pen we had at the cottage vs them and (arghhh annoys me each time) :014: Dempsey pen was saved and he tried a Rooney overhead kick, that possibly the only game at home that i have been to where a draw felt more like a loss :bang head:
Quote from: DiegoFulham on September 25, 2012, 12:14:05 AM
Why does anyone actually see QPR as our biggest rivals... who here actually considered QPR anything before they were promoted? my dad as a old school member of Fulham always sees them as a small rival who had a bunch of cocky mouth deluded fans whereas Chelsea fans were always glory hunters who gave of the wrong morals, singing about John Terry sleeping with Wayne Bridges Missus and Anton Ferdinand's ethicist. the reason many of you hate QPR more then Chelsea now is because we've beaten them back to back, whereas when we play Chelsea we let chance after chance go for example that last min pen we had at the cottage vs them and (arghhh annoys me each time) :014: Dempsey pen was saved and he tried a Rooney overhead kick, that possibly the only game at home that i have been to where a draw felt more like a loss :bang head:
If you look at all the factors of geography, current size, fanbase, & current potential then overall we are currently closer to QPR than any other.
Our rivalry with Chelsea scores highest in terms of geography and past no. of matches, but to me our natural rivals are currently QPR.
Personally for whatever reason it comes naturally to me as well.
...I responded with the dark side, I do not like anything about the club and the majority of their fans, at school I was one of three Fulham fans - everyone else was a blue or man ure,; by the time I left school I was the only Fulham fan as the other two had defected to the dark side due to peer pressure and I took a fair amount of bullying (can look after myself but not against a so many) in that time. Like a few of a certain generation I would go to Stamford Bridge or Griffin Park with real friends one week and Fulham the next, but there was never a question of fading loyalty. So for me it is a personal matter, and it still amazes me that two clubs in such close proximity to each other can produce such opposites in their fan base.
This aside, the question of rivalries should be based on mutual recognition, the fans of the other team in SW6 do not even consider us as a rival whereas those who reside in W12 do, and it appears from this poll and the responses here that the rivalry is mutual. Personally the bitters and the bees were always rivals when we were in the lower leagues, brentford are these days an insignificant memory so it must be the fans from the bush...