Just been down to HQ to see the proposed stand.Got to say it looks great. It will be a new application in terms of planning. However as the previous was granted should proceed OK fingers crossed.Will go for approval in November and monies in place and keen to go according to all the fellows I talked to including planning,transport and people from the Club.
Thank you. So earliest build to start next close season maybe?
Yes Holders that's what they were suggesting.I did bring up previous false dawns but they all seemed to think this is the real deal.I brought up what would happen if you were seated in the J H Stand.Could you use the facilities in the Riverside prior to the game.They weren't sure but thought it wouldn't be feasible. Post match not such a problem.So if it's as good as promised I may have to think of relocating. Going to cost me money but maybe part of their plans
...it's refreshing that the club is communicating things in such a way (see link). Personally I preferred the previous AL Fayed concept on the grounds of aesthetics, I thought Fayed's proposed design had a 'wow' factor, I have to say I'm disappointed with the river view, but as long as the facilities for the fans are greatly improved that is the main thing...
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2017/october/12/riverside-stand-exhibition (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2017/october/12/riverside-stand-exhibition)
Timescale looks bad. Completed in 2021 contruction staring 2018!? Tottenham can build a 61000 seater as well as demolish old stadium in that timescale.
We have the advantage of being next to the river to bring supplies down by barge too.
Quote from: fcfulham55 on October 12, 2017, 06:29:48 PM
Timescale looks bad. Completed in 2021 contruction staring 2018!? Tottenham can build a 61000 seater as well as demolish old stadium in that timescale.
We have the advantage of being next to the river to bring supplies down by barge too.
I was a bit suprised by the timescale too. Seems a long time. Although I suppose the only difference is if i'm right, they're building over the existing riverside stand whilst it remains usable for the club for fans/gate receipts during the season which I can't imagine being easy.. tried too often before.
I liked the last design, especially the idea that you had a glass backing at the top of the stand and could look over the Johnny Haynes stand and overlook the river from the top of the riverside - a feature which seems to have gone.
This design looks more technical and inclusive of more value add to the club - constant revenue throughout the week due to bars and restaurants on the riverside for instance - looks like a far more practical design. If they added gym facilities or a swimming pool into the bottom of the stand for public access that too could see quite large benefits.
Interesting to note though that regardless of plans to develop the stadium (from Al Fayed in 2002, to 2012 and these latest plans) the capacity has never been planned for more than 30,000 people. Is that the most realistic limit to the development of the ground? Or more in line with our clubs supporter base? Am aware when we were doing our best - top 10 in premiership, europa league and the finals we were completely sold out at 25,000 and could've probably sold more than an extra 5k seats...
Quote from: fcfulham55 on October 12, 2017, 06:29:48 PM
Timescale looks bad. Completed in 2021 contruction staring 2018!? Tottenham can build a 61000 seater as well as demolish old stadium in that timescale.
We have the advantage of being next to the river to bring supplies down by barge too.
...I think the issue is that the club aren't looking to ground-share in that period so the work will be carried out between matches through the seasons which has health and safety aspects - whereas Spuds have moved out whilst the new stadium is being built...
Quote from: LBNo11 on October 12, 2017, 06:46:01 PM
Quote from: fcfulham55 on October 12, 2017, 06:29:48 PM
Timescale looks bad. Completed in 2021 contruction staring 2018!? Tottenham can build a 61000 seater as well as demolish old stadium in that timescale.
We have the advantage of being next to the river to bring supplies down by barge too.
...I think the issue is that the club aren't looking to ground-share in that period so the work will be carried out between matches through the seasons which has health and safety aspects - whereas Spuds have moved out whilst the new stadium is being built...
also its the storage issue and working within tight confined space. Look at shots of spurs from air and you see the amount of room they have. This is almost like building an extension but not being allowed in the house to do the work if we are to keep ground open.
Quote from: fcfulham55 on October 12, 2017, 06:29:48 PM
Timescale looks bad. Completed in 2021 contruction staring 2018!? Tottenham can build a 61000 seater as well as demolish old stadium in that timescale.
We have the advantage of being next to the river to bring supplies down by barge too.
Probably a lot quicker if we were to move out but by staying there is slows things down
As a comparison the Roof on No 1 Court is scheduled to take 3 years . And I can vouch that between tournaments there is constant construction work .
I like the 2018 start date though . Very encouraging
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Too late, I suppose, for the involvement of the architectural genius who came up with this idea for increasing the capacity of the Ekaterinburg stadium to that required for the WC.
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Trival persuit springs to mind.
I like the design but isn't anyone else concerned about the proposed 9 flats? I hate the idea of selling off parts of our ground for private property. That just doesn't feel right.
Quote from: Samjack on October 12, 2017, 08:47:34 PM
I like the design but isn't anyone else concerned about the proposed 9 flats? I hate the idea of selling off parts of our ground for private property. That just doesn't feel right.
they will only be for rent
I think you will find the flats are for the owner and his son as well as corporates. I doubt they will be sold
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Quote from: fcfulham55 on October 12, 2017, 06:29:48 PM
Timescale looks bad. Completed in 2021 contruction staring 2018!? Tottenham can build a 61000 seater as well as demolish old stadium in that timescale.
We have the advantage of being next to the river to bring supplies down by barge too.
I was a bit suprised by the timescale too. Seems a long time. Although I suppose the only difference is if i'm right, they're building over the existing riverside stand whilst it remains usable for the club for fans/gate receipts during the season which I can't imagine being easy.. tried too often.
I think from the meeting notes that they are going to demolish the Riverside first then build the new one!
(AM explained that the new plans would deliver a single tier stand, with significant space for a variety of premium entertainment activity and community use, and a roof terrace. Should planning permission be granted by the Council, the plans would require the demolition of the current Riverside stand and the building of its replacement)
I'm glad they've designed it to enclose the ends of the Putney and Hammersmith stands, which will hopefully keep the noise in and generate a better atmosphere. I often think that with both sides of the Hammersmith end being open, it does us a disservice with the away end as it were having one end closed in to keep the noise in which often makes the Hammersmith end sound quieter than perhaps it is.
One thing I would question - the Hammersmith and Putney ends are temporary stands and at some stage will need work on them respectively, so would it not have been better to design the Riverside stand so it could eventually link with the Putney and Hammersmith stands by filling the corners in with seats? If they felt like doing that in future, they'd have to pull down part of the new stand to accommodate it?
Quote from: Andy S on October 12, 2017, 09:02:02 PM
I think you will find the flats are for the owner and his son as well as corporates. I doubt they will be sold
Oh ok, thanks... That makes me feel a bit better, but I still don't like the idea of flats, or a restaurant for that matter, in a football ground.
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I really don't like the design. Much prefer the old look(old new stand design). The roof looks like a pagoda, and I love pagodas and have been to visit many but I wouldn't put one next to the cottage or JH. Hopefully it grows on me. I may have to sit in it so I can't see it.
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on October 12, 2017, 10:22:43 PM
I really don't like the design. Much prefer the old look(old new stand design). The roof looks like a pagoda, and I love pagodas and have been to visit many but I wouldn't put one next to the cottage or JH. Hopefully it grows on me. I may have to sit in it so I can't see it.
I thought I was the only one who doesn't like the design. The riverside view looks like a load of shipping containers on the dockside. Disjointed design and ugly in my opinion.
Quote from: MJG on October 12, 2017, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: Samjack on October 12, 2017, 08:47:34 PM
I like the design but isn't anyone else concerned about the proposed 9 flats? I hate the idea of selling off parts of our ground for private property. That just doesn't feel right.
they will only be for rent
Even if they are for leasehold this is still a small development of residential apartments and when Khan sells the club who knows where this will end up. I have to say I don't like any residential development in Craven Cottage no matter how modest. There is far too much bad history.
It looks like the back of the stand has a horrid gaping hole at the back. (Same as the hammersmith) So more noise can escape the ground. (Not that noise will be made in this stand)
I really prefer the first design, such a shame. Because it could've already been here by now.
By the look of that first pic.... I might still be able to crawl along the branch and drop into the bogs!!
Seriously, love the new design and would much rather spend my money in a restaurant in the ground than outside.
Compared this design with the Hetherwick concept ant thought their's already feels kinda dated...... This will be iconic for London whereas the previous layout would have been decent for the Football Club only.
Very dissapointed with the design, yes it does look like a pile of shipping containers stacked up on the river side.
It looks to me that Mr O'Reilly from Faulty Towers has had a hand in designing this.
Quote from: SG on October 12, 2017, 10:42:14 PM
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on October 12, 2017, 10:22:43 PM
I really don't like the design. Much prefer the old look(old new stand design). The roof looks like a pagoda, and I love pagodas and have been to visit many but I wouldn't put one next to the cottage or JH. Hopefully it grows on me. I may have to sit in it so I can't see it.
I thought I was the only one who doesn't like the design. The riverside view looks like a load of shipping containers on the dockside. Disjointed design and ugly in my opinion.
Strange they would take a design I think was almost universally liked, changed it (I agree with making it more productive) and making an unattractive stand and by all accounts one with less capacity. I can't quite think of anything that would look less at place with our lovely ground. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all but I flat out don't like it. The riverside facing portion looks like badly stacked boxes. So much for following the contours of the river. Yes the over the top roof may but the half finished game of jenga it sits on doesn't.
Where do existing season ticket holders in the Riverside sit during the redevelopment?
Quote from: WokinghamWhite on October 12, 2017, 11:46:10 PM
Where do existing season ticket holders in the Riverside sit during the redevelopment?
There will obviously be reduced attendances but season ticket holders will surely have first dibs on whatever seat they want as long as it hasn't already been taken. The people who suffer the most are going to be riverside season ticket holders. If I was being cheeky I'd say you never made any noise so no point starting now. But I would never say that. ;)
Prefer the origanol design myself .
Wasn't sold at first but the more I look the more I think it looks stunning. People are commenting on the glass, the owner wanted something that doesnt look like a football stand. If you look at a lot the recently built developments all along the riverside, they're predominantly glass.
You need contrasts, a riverside Stevenage Road facade pastiche wouldnt have worked & as much as I liked the original plans thet would've made it very hard to do something at either end that didnt look out of place with the way that stand tapered down in the corners. Also the top tier seats were planned to be very short on legroom to fit them in.
Think the roof terrace in the new plans looks fantastic, not sure about winter though
Another one unimpressed by the new design and another one that agrees it looks like we've got a pile of shipping containers that need taking away,
Much preferred the previous design and wouldn't be at all surprised to see objections being raised as to the appearance from the river.
Why late 2018?
Why not mid 2018 after the last match?
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on October 13, 2017, 12:06:49 AM
Quote from: WokinghamWhite on October 12, 2017, 11:46:10 PM
Where do existing season ticket holders in the Riverside sit during the redevelopment?
There will obviously be reduced attendances but season ticket holders will surely have first dibs on whatever seat they want as long as it hasn't already been taken. The people who suffer the most are going to be riverside season ticket holders. If I was being cheeky I'd say you never made any noise so no point starting now. But I would never say that. ;)
This old chestnut. There are plenty of us in the Riverside who have had our time congregating around the green pole in years gone by, travelling up and down the country to cheer the team on and now being just a little older are more content with supporting the team in a less exuberant way. My passion and excitement is undiminished after 60 years of supporting the whites. Unfortunately the body is less able to follow suit.
I see many of the Nattering nabobs of negativism, who, just over a week ago were saying that the new stand will never happen are now sharing their expert critique of architectural design.
"It will never happen" "It looks crap"
Quote from: G_Gribby on October 13, 2017, 07:48:09 AM
Why late 2018?
Why not mid 2018 after the last match?
We still have to get planning permission. The plans go in on 24th Nov and next planning meetings are Feb and March.
By time we get result I suspect logistically its not possible to get everything required for a start in last week or two of May (in case we make playoffs).
They would be able to do some work but the major demolition of the old stand would need to be during a close season.
With ST's due in April for renewal you then have the logtics of sorting all of that part out for those in the riverside.
So it makes sense to knock down summer of 2019 and then have two seasons of reduced capacity while they get on with it.
Like many I just want it or something built. They now have a design that everyone is happy with and personally didn't like the build round of the old stand plan.
Quote from: BedsFFC on October 13, 2017, 08:05:41 AM
I see many of the Nattering nabobs of negativism, who, just over a week ago were saying that the new stand will never happen are now sharing their expert critique of architectural design.
"It will never happen" "It looks crap"
I've never said it won't happen. Please show where I have been negative regarding the riverside before not liking the new design. Am I not allowed to say how I feel about the design without doing 7 years studying architecture? I'm guessing only fashion designers should comment on the kit each year?
Hillingdon fc said "4Wasn't sold at first but the more I look the more I think it looks stunning".
Stunning is the word and a considerably more expensive build cost to the previous wrap around tin effort.
All our young supporters really are "Lucky People" enjoying the new stand far into the future whereas The Old Sods Army just wants to see it and sit in it.
There for opening of The Riverside against Benfica desperate to be there for the opening of The Thameside against....... Barcelona ????
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Quote from: BedsFFC on October 13, 2017, 08:05:41 AM
I see many of the Nattering nabobs of negativism, who, just over a week ago were saying that the new stand will never happen are now sharing their expert critique of architectural design.
"It will never happen" "It looks crap"
I've never said it won't happen. Please show where I have been negative regarding the riverside before not liking the new design. Am I not allowed to say how I feel about the design without doing 7 years studying architecture? I'm guessing only fashion designers should comment on the kit each year?
I think I may be able to clear this one up.
My architecture comment was entirely tongue in cheek. Having any sort of expertise in buildings would immediately put you outside of my target market.
Put another way, I wasn't aiming it at you. And even if I was (which I wasn't) nobody should take me too seriously on here anyway. I come in peace man
Quote from: Riversider on October 13, 2017, 07:47:39 AM
Another one unimpressed by the new design and another one that agrees it looks like we've got a pile of shipping containers that need taking away,
Much preferred the previous design and wouldn't be at all surprised to see objections being raised as to the appearance from the river.
Appearance from the river?? It looks like luxury apartments from the river & they're all the way up & down it
Has anyone asked Mr O'Reilly why he designed it this way ?
I think the design fits in with the current trend of buildings along the Thames, how well it will date will only be see with time, what you have to remember is it needs to maximise income every day of the year otherwise you may as well stick with what we have now. As someone who has been coming to the Cottage for 43 years now I have plenty of experience with the weather at the ground and how exposed it is, they will have to block in the gaps at the top of the stand, can you imagine on a cold, windy, rainy afternoon or evening with the weather coming in from the west as it usually does, everyone will be soaked through and frozen. Sometimes the rain blows right across the hammersmith stand and even where i sit in row EE you can feel the rain, even when it's not that cold the wind can leave you very cold as it blows across.
I liked the old design and I like this one more so now I have seen the pictures on this thread. And yes from the outside it does not look like a football ground but from the inside it does. Getting excited about this now, and can't believe Khan would go to this amount of work to not go ahead.
My two penny's anyway.
Also, wouldn't mind the window cleaning contract for the new stand!
I'm thrilled with the design of the new stand, and I think its exactly what is required.
I remember when the previous design was revealed and at the time I loved it. Then over the years it started to age, badly in my opinion. Such an great opportunity to push the envelope had been wasted.
Especially in the last 5 years, stadium design has changed and is much more about its aesthetics inside and out, alongside its use on non match days. Essentially the old design we had became dated very quickly. If you look at new stadiums being designed recently such as Chelseas, Tottenhams they are a far cry from the Madejski, St Marys, Cardiff City Stadium which all popped up in the late 90's-00's and all look the same. Tottenham actually did a similar thing to us and scrapped their design from 2009 as it was dated by the time it took to get around to building it.
There is now a desire to have something unique and something iconic. It is never as much fun seeing the game at soulless bowl, which has been built probably to much excitement by the fans of the club, only to realise that in reality it has no character. There are loads of these grounds around the country.
I think even more so with our ground being so unique there was a need so something which is iconic, but subtly. And in doing so not overshadowing The Cottage or The Johnny Haynes Stand. In my opinion they have nailed it and I really hope it gets built.
I am not really impressed or unimpressed with the new design. The initial design concept seemed more concerned with developing a football stadium whereas the new concept clearly demarcates and concerns itself the broader ideas of non-match day facilities. The proof of the pudding will come whenever the project is completed. The original design concept gave a clearer idea how the stadium would look when built whereas the new design seems slightly ambiguous in that regard which may simply be that some details have yet to be decided upon.
I am pleased to see there is some kind of timeline now given as part of the package however tenuous it may prove to be. Overall I remain indifferent to the whole project, unexcited and a little concerned and worried that atmosphere, one of the prime functions of a sport's entertainment venue, may once again have been forgotten about or lost among so many other considerations. But what do I know about designing a stadium stand? Absolutely nothing.
Quote from: Southdowns White on October 13, 2017, 09:40:02 AM
I think the design fits in with the current trend of buildings along the Thames, how well it will date will only be see with time, what you have to remember is it needs to maximise income every day of the year otherwise you may as well stick with what we have now. As someone who has been coming to the Cottage for 43 years now I have plenty of experience with the weather at the ground and how exposed it is, they will have to block in the gaps at the top of the stand, can you imagine on a cold, windy, rainy afternoon or evening with the weather coming in from the west as it usually does, everyone will be soaked through and frozen. Sometimes the rain blows right across the hammersmith stand and even where i sit in row EE you can feel the rain, even when it's not that cold the wind can leave you very cold as it blows across.
There is no gap at the top of the stand. There will be a screen...possibly glass that separates the seating from the back of the stand. So no wind blowing under the roof and down onto the seats.
Personally much prefer this to the last one, though the Wembley style arch would've been nice. Would love to have a drink and look out over the Thames, and really is going to maximise non match day revenue. Can't see what's not to like!
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But what do I know about designing a stadium stand? Absolutely nothing.
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Neither did Mr O'Reilly, and he appears to have had a hand in the design.
Where will the dugouts be during construction? Will they remain that same side in front of the construction?
Quote from: rweller86 on October 13, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
Where will the dugouts be during construction? Will they remain that same side in front of the construction?
Not sure even thought about that at this stage. If safe then I'd expect them over that side.
Quote from: MJG on October 13, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Quote from: rweller86 on October 13, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
Where will the dugouts be during construction? Will they remain that same side in front of the construction?
Not sure even thought about that at this stage. If safe then I'd expect them over that side.
Not sure there is enough room anywhere else that is suitable.
Yes you make some good points. Especially about the soulless Bowls that have been created in modern times, they may look nice in their own way, and have good facilities, but can look too similiar.
So as you say, originality is the order of the day, to keep our identity as a unique club.
My only scepticism is Mr O'Reillys contribution.
But apart from that, we will have to see how it all pans out. It's certainly a vast improvement on the first Stand they built in 1879.
Quote from: rweller86 on October 13, 2017, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: MJG on October 13, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Quote from: rweller86 on October 13, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
Where will the dugouts be during construction? Will they remain that same side in front of the construction?
Not sure even thought about that at this stage. If safe then I'd expect them over that side.
Not sure there is enough room anywhere else that is suitable.
They could reconfigure in front of JH stand, might lose some seats if needed. Small detail really.
Actually I'm surprised they have not put the dressing rooms etc into the new stand. Modern facilities for the teams.
But tbf they might change their mind and do that.
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Quote from: rweller86 on October 13, 2017, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: MJG on October 13, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Quote from: rweller86 on October 13, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
Where will the dugouts be during construction? Will they remain that same side in front of the construction?
Not sure even thought about that at this stage. If safe then I'd expect them over that side.
Not sure there is enough room anywhere else that is suitable.
They could reconfigure in front of JH stand, might lose some seats if needed. Small detail really.
Actually I'm surprised they have not put the dressing rooms etc into the new stand. Modern facilities for the teams.
But tbf they might change their mind and do that.
Good shout, the Cottage is tiny - but also iconic. Also, TV cameras will struggle.
In five years time when the latest plans for the new stand are announced no doubt they will make today's plans look dated.
I don't like modern so I don't like the design at all - avant garde designs and styles date so quickly - but aesthetics are in the eye of the beholder and I say "if that's what the owner wants, just get on with it".
I took a trip down the river in Copenhagen last year and the commentary raved on about the design of some building that had won all kinds of architectural awards. It looked hideous to me but I suppose you can used to anything. Who knows, maybe people will just love this and keep going on about it and bring publicity to CC.
I just managed to see the pictures this morning and compared to the other design as many people are saying..i am very underwhelmed. I dont like the mini tier at the bottom and the large tier at the top or the design of the roof. The more i compare it to the old design (which had been incredibly excites), the more i feel the club are taking the cheap option. I find it very uninspiring and the majority of feedback i have been getting has been disappointing.
From the river the stand looks ok, it does look a bit different which is fine but then again so did the old design. I guess this is the more realistic option for the club if they are going to do anything. I can only hope they reconsider the design for the stand because this isnt what i hoped for or expected. Very disappointing.
I know nothing about contemporary designs or anything but from the outside, it looks like the external design of a new Tesco Extra
Quote from: filham on October 13, 2017, 10:50:38 AM
In five years time when the latest plans for the new stand are announced no doubt they will make today's plans look dated.
You echo my thoughts entirely. The new stand design has not caught my attention in the way the first update to the Riverside did. The new design I would describe as anaemic and likely to get much sicker with age. As for the soulless bowls many were built to accommodate more than one activity and whilst they may lack originality do the job of housing spectators. They suffer, more often than not, from not being full.
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Quote from: filham on October 13, 2017, 10:50:38 AM
In five years time when the latest plans for the new stand are announced no doubt they will make today's plans look dated.
You echo my thoughts entirely. The new stand design has not caught my attention in the way the first update to the Riverside did. The new design I would describe as anaemic and likely to get much sicker with age. As for the soulless bowls many were built to accommodate more than one activity and whilst they may lack originality do the job of housing spectators. They suffer, more often than not, from not being full.
Yes indeed they do, and as somebody mentioned on another thread, apart from the unfortunate contributions fron Mr O'Reilly, the new design looks cheap and cheerful.
Agree with both of you. I am totally underwhelmed and also confused about why the original design concept for the Riverside didn't offer a better way forward. Count me as confused by Fulham FC.
toshes mate, mine was a derogatory remark. I quite liked the 2017 concept stores Tesco have released
Quote from: Holders on October 13, 2017, 10:52:27 AM
I don't like modern so I don't like the design at all - avant garde designs and styles date so quickly - but aesthetics are in the eye of the beholder and I say "if that's what the owner wants, just get on with it".
+1
The new design looks awful, way too modern and doesn't fit in with the rest of the stadium at all. I'd rather we had a more classic design in keeping with our heritage, craven cottage is so unique and it would be a shame to lose that feel.
Quote from: MJG on October 13, 2017, 09:59:30 AM
There is no gap at the top of the stand. There will be a screen...possibly glass that separates the seating from the back of the stand. So no wind blowing under the roof and down onto the seats.
But there will have to be access points for safety purposes etc and we all know how draughty it can be when someone forgets to shut the door.
Quote from: toshes mate on October 13, 2017, 12:03:54 PM
Quote from: MJG on October 13, 2017, 09:59:30 AM
There is no gap at the top of the stand. There will be a screen...possibly glass that separates the seating from the back of the stand. So no wind blowing under the roof and down onto the seats.
But there will have to be access points for safety purposes etc and we all know how draughty it can be when someone forgets to shut the door.
I get where you are coming from and I asked the question about doors etc. I'd not be surprised if its maybe a two wall type entrance.
The thing is this is just a design, they are finishing off the actual drawings required for planning and this is one subject/comment I have put forward as have others.
Quote from: Newry FFC on October 13, 2017, 11:25:07 AM
toshes mate, mine was a derogatory remark. I quite liked the 2017 concept stores Tesco have released
I took it as derogatory but you meant it not to be? If so, I am ever more confused, and I totally apologise for my condition.
I think it is a far better use of the limited space available
Trying to retain the old Riverside structure created a carbuncle and did not increase the match day circulation area for the extra 4,000 fans they were providing seat for.
By removing the old structure they have been able to substantially increase the match day circulation space and presumably the retail space too.
When I first saw one of the prospective drawings it reminded me very much of the layout at Fenway, where there is a huge amount of circulation and retail space underneath the seating.
In truth the previous design was doing it on the cheap and retaining to old stand compromised the match day experience.
I was unsure of the new design but since more pictures have been released of the design the more I like it.
I wonder if the Johnny Haynes had split opinion back in the day, probably. I'm interested how the corners of the ground will work out with the new design as it could affect the acoustics? And whether you will still be able to see the Thames from the Hammy end? It looks like the view will be blocked.
Think it looks absolutely amazing. So impressed.
If you look at the old new stand design, it already looks so dated, after what 3/4 years?! So all in all, think it's a great decision to drop that.
Less worried about the new design as don't think it's as "fashionable" a design, and will take the test of time much better. Much more classic design.
Is there no risk that the sound of the audience will disappear over the river instead of bouncing down the pitch?
The roof appears to be open to the Thames side. Or is it a glass wall between the roof and the stand?
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Quote from: G_Gribby on October 13, 2017, 12:47:57 PM
Is there no risk that the sound of the audience will disappear over the river instead of bouncing down the pitch?
The roof appears to be open to the Thames side. Or is it a glass wall between the roof and the stand?
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Riverside stand is dead quiet anyway, so no sound to lose! hehe
I believe there is a glass wall, not sure
The new design retains the charm and uniqueness of the ground by incorporating staggered sections along the river. Rather than a bland modern stadium facade, we will now have a reflective and textured shell. The new roof looks stunning with the wood-like material.
No problems regards the new design from what can be gleaned so far.
My only issue is it doesn't look like it will help generate noise within the stadium?
Quote from: _Putney_ on October 13, 2017, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: G_Gribby on October 13, 2017, 12:47:57 PM
Is there no risk that the sound of the audience will disappear over the river instead of bouncing down the pitch?
The roof appears to be open to the Thames side. Or is it a glass wall between the roof and the stand?
:023:
Riverside stand is dead quiet anyway, so no sound to lose! hehe
I believe there is a glass wall, not sure
Not a glass ceiling?
I can assure you, knowing a thing or two about buildings, this is not the cheap option.
Quote from: flyingfish on October 13, 2017, 01:14:04 PM
I can assure you, knowing a thing or two about buildings, this is not the cheap option.
So more expensive that the old design?
At least it's different perhaps iconic.As I have been told many times on here that it will never be built not too fussed either way.
Quote from: Holders on October 13, 2017, 01:08:17 PM
Quote from: _Putney_ on October 13, 2017, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: G_Gribby on October 13, 2017, 12:47:57 PM
Is there no risk that the sound of the audience will disappear over the river instead of bouncing down the pitch?
The roof appears to be open to the Thames side. Or is it a glass wall between the roof and the stand?
:023:
Riverside stand is dead quiet anyway, so no sound to lose! hehe
I believe there is a glass wall, not sure
Not a glass ceiling?
It's a glass half empty !
Quote from: Roberty on October 13, 2017, 01:29:35 PM
Quote from: flyingfish on October 13, 2017, 01:14:04 PM
I can assure you, knowing a thing or two about buildings, this is not the cheap option.
So more expensive that the old design?
Undoubtedly. The engineering works associated with the massive basement will be huge.
Has a price been put on this proposal?
Quote from: MJG on October 13, 2017, 09:59:30 AM
Quote from: Southdowns White on October 13, 2017, 09:40:02 AM
I think the design fits in with the current trend of buildings along the Thames, how well it will date will only be see with time, what you have to remember is it needs to maximise income every day of the year otherwise you may as well stick with what we have now. As someone who has been coming to the Cottage for 43 years now I have plenty of experience with the weather at the ground and how exposed it is, they will have to block in the gaps at the top of the stand, can you imagine on a cold, windy, rainy afternoon or evening with the weather coming in from the west as it usually does, everyone will be soaked through and frozen. Sometimes the rain blows right across the hammersmith stand and even where i sit in row EE you can feel the rain, even when it's not that cold the wind can leave you very cold as it blows across.
There is no gap at the top of the stand. There will be a screen...possibly glass that separates the seating from the back of the stand. So no wind blowing under the roof and down onto the seats.
\\That's a relief, glass that can either be clear or misted at the press of a button so the sun doesn't shine through when the game is on would be a nice touch.
Honestly I am not worried about how it looks
I have 3 questions
1) will it improve the match day atmosphere - verdict uncertain
2) will it improve the match day comfort and experience - verdict yes
3) will it increase the club's revenues - verdict yes
So 2.5 of 3 for me
I just hope I can obtain a parking space when the underground car park is finished.
My concern is where Hammersmith End fans will go at half time.... the woman yesterday at the cafe didn't seem to know
Quote from: west kowloon white on October 13, 2017, 02:36:58 PM
Has a price been put on this proposal?
Would it mean anything to anyone if it had? The value of a development is different from the 'price' to build it. Depends what it yields in rent, revenue eta.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 13, 2017, 03:35:04 PM
I just hope I can obtain a parking space when the underground car park is finished.
It's not and won't be a parking space.
I'd like to see a Stevenage Road end inspired design. Similar to how Birmingham Moor St, Baker St, Marylebone stations all look. Exposed brick and black beams.
Quote from: Milo on October 13, 2017, 04:28:08 PM
I'd like to see a Stevenage Road end inspired design. Similar to how Birmingham Moor St, Baker St, Marylebone stations all look. Exposed brick and black beams.
Sounds much better but not very American and probably costlier.
Quote from: flyingfish on October 13, 2017, 03:59:05 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 13, 2017, 03:35:04 PM
I just hope I can obtain a parking space when the underground car park is finished.
It's not and won't be a parking space.
For VIPs it will, and I am in that category.
there are 9 parking spaces, all for the flats.
There has to be some sort of glass paneling. Otherwise it will be like sitting in the Edrich stand at Lords at the Nursery end which when the wind blows through the gaps between the levels is bloody freezing
Quote from: Riverside on October 13, 2017, 03:26:32 PM
Honestly I am not worried about how it looks
I have 3 questions
1) will it improve the match day atmosphere - verdict uncertain
2) will it improve the match day comfort and experience - verdict yes
3) will it increase the club's revenues - verdict yes
So 2.5 of 3 for me
Add-
4.will it ever be built.
OK Flyingfish- calculating yield without a costing will be interesting.ie think more than just me will be interested in the price tag
Quote from: Newry FFC on October 13, 2017, 11:08:05 AM
I know nothing about contemporary designs or anything but from the outside, it looks like the external design of a new Tesco Extra
Quote of the day. My sentiments exactly.
Bring it on.
Quote from: HamsterWheel on October 13, 2017, 05:11:10 PM
there are 9 parking spaces, all for the flats.
I shall have to put my name down on 2 of the flats as I also have a horse and cart.
Quote from: _Putney_ on October 13, 2017, 03:42:28 PM
My concern is where Hammersmith End fans will go at half time.... the woman yesterday at the cafe didn't seem to know
For a swim in the Thames, rumour has it they are erecting a diving board, in honour of players who dive on the field of play. 🏊♀️🏊🏾
Quote from: Holders on October 13, 2017, 04:37:38 PM
Quote from: Milo on October 13, 2017, 04:28:08 PM
I'd like to see a Stevenage Road end inspired design. Similar to how Birmingham Moor St, Baker St, Marylebone stations all look. Exposed brick and black beams.
Sounds much better but not very American and probably costlier.
Sorry Holders, not tracking your comment. What's not very American?
Cheers,
Steve
Quote from: tslyon on October 14, 2017, 05:49:48 AM
Quote from: Holders on October 13, 2017, 04:37:38 PM
Quote from: Milo on October 13, 2017, 04:28:08 PM
I'd like to see a Stevenage Road end inspired design. Similar to how Birmingham Moor St, Baker St, Marylebone stations all look. Exposed brick and black beams.
Sounds much better but not very American and probably costlier.
Sorry Holders, not tracking your comment. What's not very American?
Cheers,
Steve
Fish & Chips
Quote from: tslyon on October 14, 2017, 05:49:48 AM
Quote from: Holders on October 13, 2017, 04:37:38 PM
Quote from: Milo on October 13, 2017, 04:28:08 PM
I'd like to see a Stevenage Road end inspired design. Similar to how Birmingham Moor St, Baker St, Marylebone stations all look. Exposed brick and black beams.
Sounds much better but not very American and probably costlier.
Sorry Holders, not tracking your comment. What's not very American?
Cheers,
Steve
Something traditional that blends in rather than ultra-modern. From what I've seen they don't seem to think in the same way architecturally.
