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Title: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Friendsoffulham on December 01, 2017, 06:18:03 PM
Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand

This application follows a period of consultation and open dialogue with residents, supporters, and many stakeholders with an interest in the project and local area

Fulham Football Club has today submitted an application to the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham council for the redevelopment of the Riverside stand at its historic Craven Cottage home.

This application follows a period of consultation and open dialogue with residents, supporters, and many stakeholders with an interest in the project and local area.

The Club secured planning permission for its previous design in 2013. The new proposal, commissioned by Fulham FC's Chairman Mr Shahid Khan, has incorporated a modern design that is sympathetic with the river and local area and best reflects the needs of the Club, community and neighbourhood by delivering a wide range of benefits both now and for future generations.

(https://i2-prod.getwestlondon.co.uk/incoming/article13983305.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PID-12454_View_01_Match_FINAL_.jpg)

Alistair Mackintosh, Fulham FC Chief Executive Officer, said: "Everyone here at Fulham Football Club is incredibly excited to submit this application, and we are confident that the plans we have laid out will both upgrade the current stand and add new facilities that everyone in the community will be able to enjoy and appreciate."

In addition to increasing the seating capacity at Craven Cottage, the Club has sought to add amenities to help transform the riverside walkway into a world-class leisure destination, both on matchdays and non-matchdays.

(https://i2-prod.getwestlondon.co.uk/incoming/article13983303.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PID-12454_View_02_Riverwalk_Match-Day_FINALJPG.jpg)
The Riverside on a matchday
This new design will still allow the River Thames walkway to be opened up, an aspect of the approved design in 2013, and will incorporate bars, restaurants, and lounges—all of which will be open for business throughout the year.

The redevelopment will bring significant investments in the local community, adding new full-time jobs and further opportunities for employment.

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fulham-submit-plans-new-riverside-13983320.amp
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: JoelH5 on December 01, 2017, 06:38:38 PM
Looks good!
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Fernhurst on December 01, 2017, 06:52:18 PM
I'm made up.... love it and can't wait to have a look around it.

I was there for the first game in the Riverside in 71/72 so would dearly love to witness the opening of the latest reincarnation of The Riverside.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: BestOfBrede on December 01, 2017, 06:57:01 PM
Love it also
Really need this to happen so that my dear old Pa gets to see.enjoy it!
It would be fantastic for me, Pa and my brother to all go together like the old days...
Even sweeter if it's for the Prem!

Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: _Putney_ on December 01, 2017, 06:59:32 PM
The old design seemed to incorporate the current stand, which made it seem reasonable to say construction could continue throughout the season.  How will this work with the new design?
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: ron on December 01, 2017, 09:36:47 PM
Haven't had a chance to look at the previous plan's pictures and compare them, but it seems like the double deck feature is lessened, and the use of the corners as viewing platforms is reduced in this new incarnation. As I recall, the previous plan was to incorporate the existing into the new by building two end towers and creating a second tier as a bridge structure over it.

Hope it works out, but I was rather more impressed by the original idea.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: MJG on December 01, 2017, 09:47:01 PM
Quote from: _Putney_ on December 01, 2017, 06:59:32 PM
The old design seemed to incorporate the current stand, which made it seem reasonable to say construction could continue throughout the season.  How will this work with the new design?
the plan is to knock the whole thing down, relocate fans to other stands without leaving. That's the plan.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: filham on December 01, 2017, 10:04:51 PM
Just another planning proposal, any one kept a record on how much we have spent on architects and planning in recent years.



Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 01, 2017, 11:06:00 PM
Enough to buy a striker and a centre back.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: hovewhite on December 02, 2017, 07:04:04 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 01, 2017, 11:06:00 PM
Enough to buy a striker and a centre back.
A quality striker at that!
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: MrD1879 on December 02, 2017, 07:08:45 AM
Oooo another proposal it may be built before our next centenary.   079.gif
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Fulham 442 on December 02, 2017, 11:00:09 AM
It says our capacity will be increased from the current 25,700.  Does anyone know what to?
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 02, 2017, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on December 02, 2017, 11:00:09 AM
It says our capacity will be increased from the current 25,700.  Does anyone know what to?

25,701.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 02, 2017, 11:39:55 AM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on December 02, 2017, 11:00:09 AM
It says our capacity will be increased from the current 25,700.  Does anyone know what to?

My understanding is that it's around the 30,000 mark.
But somebody may have a more exact figure.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Fulham Tup North on December 02, 2017, 11:51:35 AM
Nice plans, let's just hope the stand takes into account the wind off the Thames, or the sailing club will be moaning again! Don't want to upset the lovies over the water.
As others have said, let's wait and see what we finally get!
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: grandad on December 02, 2017, 12:13:10 PM
Going to be a proper job & not a mix & match. Any costs of the project have no bearing on FFP so Mr Khan can spend what ever he wants without any restrictions. Any extra income from non matchday activities will go against our operating costs which will helpus with FFP. Good on you Mr Khan.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: One Martin Thomas on December 02, 2017, 12:16:49 PM
Love it more from inside the ground than outside. It looks great. Was there any talk of the Hammersmith and Putney ends ? I was sure there was something about plans here too in the future after the riverside.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Rambler on December 02, 2017, 02:33:06 PM
Do we know what the final capacity will be?


Assuming 30,000 like the last plan
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Friendsoffulham on December 04, 2017, 12:54:55 PM
(https://populous.com/wp-content/uploads/Fulham_Riverview_FINAL-768x487.jpg)

(https://populous.com/wp-content/uploads/Fulham_Cocktail_Party_FINAL-768x512.jpg)

(https://populous.com/wp-content/uploads/Fulham_Match_FINAL-768x481.jpg)

https://populous.com/news/2017/12/04/fulham-fc-submits-planning-application-populous-designed-riverside-stand-redevelopment/
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: BedsFFC on December 04, 2017, 01:18:12 PM
I cannot tell you how much I'd love to get one of those flats.

How much we reckon they would cost?
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Jonaldiniho 88 on December 04, 2017, 01:23:34 PM
Strange there is no ffc branding on the outside or inside of the new stand. It may just be those plans haven't been completed yet.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: mrmicawbers on December 04, 2017, 01:29:26 PM
Quote from: BedsFFC on December 04, 2017, 01:18:12 PM
I cannot tell you how much I'd love to get one of those flats.

How much we reckon they would cost?
Millions in Fulham on the River,will go a long way to paying for the redevelopment. Mind you I'm sure he will have one and his son too.What they should do is do short term rentals on them them all the money comes into the club and can be sold at later date if required.Not sure how the sale of apartments would effect the FFP though?
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: mrmicawbers on December 04, 2017, 01:41:07 PM
Nine fully managed short term lease apartments could potentially bring in close to a Million a year.Sounds like a no brainer and will only increase in value in both rental and sales values and no FFP effect.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Riversider on December 04, 2017, 02:20:59 PM
More chance of our front line and back 4 getting rebuilt in 2018 than there is of the Riverside getting rebuilt ,
HS2 and the 3rd runway at Heathrow have had less delays than this stand.
Can almost hear the planning department now saying "oh no, not again"
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: MikeW on December 04, 2017, 02:33:42 PM
More chance of our front line and back 4 getting rebuilt in 2018 than there is of the Riverside getting rebuilt ,
HS2 and the 3rd runway at Heathrow have had less delays than this stand.
Can almost hear the planning department now saying "oh no, not again".

But think of the fees!

Reminds me of the old Les Dawson joke .... "Just one problem, it faces the pitch!"
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: toshes mate on December 04, 2017, 02:47:43 PM
The really. really good news is that you can just see SJ pacing up and down outside the dugouts......
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Fulhamfan666 on December 04, 2017, 02:49:37 PM
That looks/sounds great! Will mean it'll be much harder to get tickets tho
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 04, 2017, 02:50:55 PM
Quote from: BedsFFC on December 04, 2017, 01:18:12 PM
I cannot tell you how much I'd love to get one of those flats.

How much we reckon they would cost?

Fontes monthly wage.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Holders on December 04, 2017, 03:11:06 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on December 01, 2017, 06:52:18 PM
I'm made up.... love it and can't wait to have a look around it.

I was there for the first game in the Riverside in 71/72 so would dearly love to witness the opening of the latest reincarnation of The Riverside.

Wasn't that the Benfica game?
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Holders on December 04, 2017, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: MikeW on December 04, 2017, 02:33:42 PM
More chance of our front line and back 4 getting rebuilt in 2018 than there is of the Riverside getting rebuilt ,
HS2 and the 3rd runway at Heathrow have had less delays than this stand.


Or dualling the A303
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 04, 2017, 03:45:35 PM
I wonder where our Trophy Cabinet will be located ?
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Fernhurst on December 04, 2017, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: Holders on December 04, 2017, 03:11:06 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on December 01, 2017, 06:52:18 PM
I'm made up.... love it and can't wait to have a look around it.

I was there for the first game in the Riverside in 71/72 so would dearly love to witness the opening of the latest reincarnation of The Riverside.

Wasn't that the Benfica game?

It was Jim, including the immaculate Eusebio
Such a fond memory as The only time I attended with my Dad and brother.

So jealous of my older brother who lived in London and seemed to know everyone at Fulham FC.

Im sure the location and the retail and restaurant offers will leave QPR and Brentford seething.
It may be so good it will push the house values in the vicinity even higher!

Wish Dad had kept the family home in Fernhurst Road.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Buffalo76 on December 04, 2017, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: Friendsoffulham on December 04, 2017, 12:54:55 PM
(https://populous.com/wp-content/uploads/Fulham_Riverview_FINAL-768x487.jpg)

(https://populous.com/wp-content/uploads/Fulham_Cocktail_Party_FINAL-768x512.jpg)

(https://populous.com/wp-content/uploads/Fulham_Match_FINAL-768x481.jpg)

https://populous.com/news/2017/12/04/fulham-fc-submits-planning-application-populous-designed-riverside-stand-redevelopment/



Very impressed
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: fcfulham55 on December 04, 2017, 04:57:50 PM
Anyone else seen palace and their new stand redevelopment? Now theirs is very impressive. A class well above our design, but we'll still have the best overall stadium. 

For me it's a shame, because the design should take into account the future.  For a start, there's a massive open back. Going to keep people cool at the top of the stand with a breeze.  Any noise made will have more room to escape again.  Albeit in the non noise riverside stand lol.

Our one stand we can really go for it and improve, has not really done it for me. Prefer it as it is almost. I only want the best for our club. The block of flat's takes the piss. Could be the start of something really bad.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: MJG on December 04, 2017, 05:04:09 PM
Quote from: fcfulham55 on December 04, 2017, 04:57:50 PM
Anyone else seen palace and their new stand redevelopment? Now theirs is very impressive. A class well above our design, but we'll still have the best overall stadium. 

For me it's a shame, because the design should take into account the future.  For a start, there's a massive open back. Going to keep people cool at the top of the stand with a breeze.  Any noise made will have more room to escape again.  Albeit in the non noise riverside stand lol.

Our one stand we can really go for it and improve, has not really done it for me. Prefer it as it is almost. I only want the best for our club. The block of flat's takes the piss. Could be the start of something really bad.
the top of the stand which you can see through is going to glass apparently. I asked that specific question to the design company. So no gap.,but more will be seen in full plans.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Riversider on December 04, 2017, 05:16:05 PM
Just a couple of months ago we had, planning permission,  a developer and plans to start next year, now all of a sudden we have NO permission, and NO developer !
Have I got that right ?
If I have then there is next to NO chance of it starting next year 😠
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: MJG on December 05, 2017, 06:15:13 PM
Lots of info in the planning but I know some are worried about the flats and this is about them.

Short-Stay Serviced Apartments

4.25 The spaces between the roof and the cores at either end of the stand provide the opportunity to

contribute to the active frontage and passive surveillance overlooking the neighbouring parks

and Riverside walkway by the inclusion of nine apartments. However, unlike the previous

scheme that proposed four residential units for rent on the "open market", the current proposal

is for nine short-stay, serviced apartments to be used by the club/people affiliated to the club

and others, as appropriate. Users will include the owner, sponsors and new players joining the

club in need of accommodation for a few months before they find more permanent

accommodation elsewhere.

4.26 On this basis, the proposed units will operate as serviced apartments (Use Class C1). The

apartments will provide:

• One no. two-bed apartment and three no. three-bed serviced apartments at second floor

level;

• Two no. two-bed and two no. three-bed serviced apartments at third floor level; and

• One no. one-bed serviced apartment at fourth floor level.

4.27 The serviced apartments will be designed to a high quality. Private amenity space will be

provided for each unit in the form of a balcony, as well as larger roof terraces on the upper floors

of each block.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: MJG on December 05, 2017, 06:38:39 PM
Planning ahead as well for Putney and Hammersmith:

As Fulham FC considers its potential future
expansion plans, the club must take into account
the existing features which will influence the nature
of the development. The fact that their Ground has
its own very special and unique character with four
distinct stands around the pitch, and with heritage
assets in the form of the Johnny Haynes Stand
and the Craven Cottage itself, naturally leads to
a solution that retains the four stand concept but
allows each stand to be developed, or refurbished
as necessary. The redevelopment of the Riverside
Stand maintains the four stand approach. If the
Hammersmith and Putney Stands were ever
amended or replaced at some stage in the future
they would also be expected to follow the four
stand approach. The design of the Riverside Stand
proposal has taken this into account, in so far as
there is nothing in this proposal that precludes
redevelopment of the Hammersmith and Putney
Stands in the future, and the rectilinear form of
the proposed stand with the vertical facades of the
blocks at either end of the seating tiers provide a
perfect 'book-end' in the corners of the stadium,
up to which new Hammersmith and Putney Stands
could be built, whilst retaining the setting of the
heritage listed assets and the overall special
character of the Ground as a whole.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: flyingfish on December 05, 2017, 07:38:12 PM
The flats will provide the beiggest development value per sq m out out of anything else there. A developer would be mad not to include residebtial floorplace in a site like this and itbwill effectively cross-subsidise the rest of the (low development value) development. A football stand by itself would generate insufficient profit for a developer to bother with it, so this is the right approach and will hopefully get it done.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Baszab on December 05, 2017, 08:04:07 PM
Anybody remember Darlington FC and their new ground ?
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Fulham76 on December 05, 2017, 08:16:54 PM
Quote from: Buffalo76 on December 04, 2017, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: Friendsoffulham on December 04, 2017, 12:54:55 PM
(https://populous.com/wp-content/uploads/Fulham_Riverview_FINAL-768x487.jpg)

(https://populous.com/wp-content/uploads/Fulham_Cocktail_Party_FINAL-768x512.jpg)

(https://populous.com/wp-content/uploads/Fulham_Match_FINAL-768x481.jpg)

https://populous.com/news/2017/12/04/fulham-fc-submits-planning-application-populous-designed-riverside-stand-redevelopment/



Very impressed

I'm sure we'll all be impressed with the next set of designs when the current ones also get shelved for some reason.

As someone else has said, the development is going backwards.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: flyingfish on December 05, 2017, 08:18:31 PM
Why is it going backwards? What on earthbare you talking about?
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: cmg on December 05, 2017, 08:24:11 PM
Quote from: Baszab on December 05, 2017, 08:04:07 PM
Anybody remember Darlington FC and their new ground ?

Yes. I remember it particularly because Feethams was such a fabulous little ground.

I also remember that their then chairman, the man responsible for the fiasco, includes on his cv various prison terms for theft of cigarettes, burglary, safe-cracking, handling explosives, tax evasion and breach of parole.
So obviously a 'fit and proper person' - but not much in common with our own situation.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Twig on December 05, 2017, 08:27:42 PM
I understand the scepticism but am optimistic that this is Khan's own design and his preferred approach.  After all the stalling let's hope it goes ahead this time.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Fulham76 on December 05, 2017, 08:48:19 PM
Quote from: flyingfish on December 05, 2017, 08:18:31 PM
Why is it going backwards? What on earthbare you talking about?

As someone said above.... 'A couple of months ago we had planning permission, a developer and plans to start next year, now all of a sudden we have NO permission, and NO developer !

All true unfortunately. That's what I'm talking about
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 05, 2017, 08:52:33 PM
Will they bother to have a Trophy Cabinet installed.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Fulham76 on December 05, 2017, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 05, 2017, 08:52:33 PM
Will they bother to have a Trophy Cabinet installed.

We'll probably have something to put in a trophy cabinet before the New stand gets built...
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 05, 2017, 09:03:40 PM
Quote from: Fulham76 on December 05, 2017, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 05, 2017, 08:52:33 PM
Will they bother to have a Trophy Cabinet installed.

We'll probably have something to put in a trophy cabinet before the New stand gets built...

Let's hope it's something metallic and shines in the dark, rather than something wooden and shaped similiar to a spoon.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Friendsoffulham on December 05, 2017, 09:23:31 PM
You can view the full planning application for the Riverside Stand here http://public-access.lbhf.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=P0ADRMBIJRA00
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: BedsFFC on December 05, 2017, 09:45:10 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 05, 2017, 06:38:39 PM
Planning ahead as well for Putney and Hammersmith:

As Fulham FC considers its potential future
expansion plans, the club must take into account
the existing features which will influence the nature
of the development. The fact that their Ground has
its own very special and unique character with four
distinct stands around the pitch, and with heritage
assets in the form of the Johnny Haynes Stand
and the Craven Cottage itself, naturally leads to
a solution that retains the four stand concept but
allows each stand to be developed, or refurbished
as necessary. The redevelopment of the Riverside
Stand maintains the four stand approach. If the
Hammersmith and Putney Stands were ever
amended or replaced at some stage in the future
they would also be expected to follow the four
stand approach. The design of the Riverside Stand
proposal has taken this into account, in so far as
there is nothing in this proposal that precludes
redevelopment of the Hammersmith and Putney
Stands in the future, and the rectilinear form of
the proposed stand with the vertical facades of the
blocks at either end of the seating tiers provide a
perfect 'book-end' in the corners of the stadium,
up to which new Hammersmith and Putney Stands
could be built, whilst retaining the setting of the
heritage listed assets and the overall special
character of the Ground as a whole.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 05, 2017, 11:50:36 PM
But it still does not confirm or state where the Trophy Cabinet will be located, and how huge the Cabinet will be, I cannot find it anywhere in the plans.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: ron on December 06, 2017, 12:58:45 AM
Any silverware will be popped down at uncle's to raise some cash for a striker....
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: flyingfish on December 06, 2017, 08:47:51 AM
Quote from: Statto on December 05, 2017, 09:08:24 PM
Quote from: Fulham76 on December 05, 2017, 08:48:19 PM
Quote from: flyingfish on December 05, 2017, 08:18:31 PM
Why is it going backwards? What on earthbare you talking about?

As someone said above.... 'A couple of months ago we had planning permission, a developer and plans to start next year, now all of a sudden we have NO permission, and NO developer !

All true unfortunately. That's what I'm talking about

Agreed. And Khan and the club have lied to us before. So if I may quote George W, There's an old saying in Tennessee/Texas that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

But this is just not true. There is stiall a planning permission it hasnt gone away. There was no developer. Its not like they started is it? The latest iteration is superior from a real estate perspectuie and the pricess shows diligence on the part of the khans.  I work in the development industry and mahor developments like this are constantly reappraised and often successuve planning consents are sought. Once the initial principles are established a diligent landowber will see what else they can do and improve in. Development is an interative process and id be more concenred had they just merrily started digging away in the old consnet  when it is obvious to anyone who has any feeling at all for property that there is so much more value to be squeezed from the site which ultimately will be for the good of the club.

Also a planning application itself requires commitment. It is not drawn up in an afternoon. It takes months and just the application itself will cost north of about 500k to prepare. The fact that they bothered shows intent.  Sorry but they cannot be faulted on this.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: SG on December 06, 2017, 08:59:36 AM
i guess whether they can be faulted is down to ones own point of view on the subject. Me - I'll believe it is being built when I see the first spade break ground. I am not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: MJG on December 06, 2017, 09:03:03 AM
Quote from: BedsFFC on December 05, 2017, 09:45:10 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 05, 2017, 06:38:39 PM
Planning ahead as well for Putney and Hammersmith:

As Fulham FC considers its potential future
expansion plans, the club must take into account
the existing features which will influence the nature
of the development. The fact that their Ground has
its own very special and unique character with four
distinct stands around the pitch, and with heritage
assets in the form of the Johnny Haynes Stand
and the Craven Cottage itself, naturally leads to
a solution that retains the four stand concept but
allows each stand to be developed, or refurbished
as necessary. The redevelopment of the Riverside
Stand maintains the four stand approach. If the
Hammersmith and Putney Stands were ever
amended or replaced at some stage in the future
they would also be expected to follow the four
stand approach. The design of the Riverside Stand
proposal has taken this into account, in so far as
there is nothing in this proposal that precludes
redevelopment of the Hammersmith and Putney
Stands in the future, and the rectilinear form of
the proposed stand with the vertical facades of the
blocks at either end of the seating tiers provide a
perfect 'book-end' in the corners of the stadium,
up to which new Hammersmith and Putney Stands
could be built, whilst retaining the setting of the
heritage listed assets and the overall special
character of the Ground as a whole.

Cheers Mike

No problem at all.
I went through a lot of the 201 documents last night and if you take away personal thoughts on the Khans , this is a much more comprehensive set of documents and planning than the 2013 submission.
The new designers are a step above the last set that was put forward.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 06, 2017, 09:49:24 AM
Quote from: SG on December 06, 2017, 08:59:36 AM
i guess whether they can be faulted is down to ones own point of view on the subject. Me - I'll believe it is being built when I see the first spade break ground. I am not holding my breath.

Not forgetting the first club, the first diamond and the first heart.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Riversider on December 06, 2017, 10:33:08 AM
Quote from: flyingfish on December 06, 2017, 08:47:51 AM
Quote from: Statto on December 05, 2017, 09:08:24 PM
Quote from: Fulham76 on December 05, 2017, 08:48:19 PM
Quote from: flyingfish on December 05, 2017, 08:18:31 PM
Why is it going backwards? What on earthbare you talking about?

As someone said above.... 'A couple of months ago we had planning permission, a developer and plans to start next year, now all of a sudden we have NO permission, and NO developer !

All true unfortunately. That's what I'm talking about

Agreed. And Khan and the club have lied to us before. So if I may quote George W, There's an old saying in Tennessee/Texas that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

But this is just not true. There is stiall a planning permission it hasnt gone away. There was no developer. Its not like they started is it? The latest iteration is superior from a real estate perspectuie and the pricess shows diligence on the part of the khans.  I work in the development industry and mahor developments like this are constantly reappraised and often successuve planning consents are sought. Once the initial principles are established a diligent landowber will see what else they can do and improve in. Development is an interative process and id be more concenred had they just merrily started digging away in the old consnet  when it is obvious to anyone who has any feeling at all for property that there is so much more value to be squeezed from the site which ultimately will be for the good of the club.

Also a planning application itself requires commitment. It is not drawn up in an afternoon. It takes months and just the application itself will cost north of about 500k to prepare. The fact that they bothered shows intent.  Sorry but they cannot be faulted on this.

Wrong !
The Buckingham Group were given the construction contract, it has now been put out for tender,
And yes we did have planning permission with work due to start next summer.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: toshes mate on December 06, 2017, 11:59:59 AM
My understanding too, Riversider. 

I'd really like Khan Snr to be more honest and straightforward as an owner in everything he does regarding FFC, because I am really beginning to doubt the family's interests.

Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: mrmicawbers on December 06, 2017, 02:32:16 PM
I would imagine if you were a Billionaire these are the sort of projects you would like to get involved with.I'm sure he would do the same sort of thing when building one of his new Yachts. I'm that this proceeds, can't understand go through all this and not building it unless he wants to sell up with the planning permission in place.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Holders on December 06, 2017, 03:58:50 PM
Quote from: mrmicawbers on December 06, 2017, 02:32:16 PM
I would imagine if you were a Billionaire these are the sort of projects you would like to get involved with.I'm sure he would do the same sort of thing when building one of his new Yachts. I'm that this proceeds, can't understand go through all this and not building it unless he wants to sell up with the planning permission in place.

With a yacht, the owner mainly liaises with the consultants doing the plan approval and site supervision. They, in turn, do the liaison with the shipyard. So, in this case, he'll be dealing with the architects not the builders (who haven't been appointed yet anyway). If you're a billionaire you've little else to do but indulge your hobbies. A company I worked for built a yacht for Ivana Trump who was often on the phone. Nice lady.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: ron on December 06, 2017, 05:25:51 PM
Tony Khan must have asked his dad for a cowboy outfit when he was younger. The delivery is ongoing as pop is in the process of creating one in SW6.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Fernhurst on December 07, 2017, 07:59:38 AM
Quote from: flyingfish on December 06, 2017, 08:47:51 AM
Quote from: Statto on December 05, 2017, 09:08:24 PM
Quote from: Fulham76 on December 05, 2017, 08:48:19 PM
Quote from: flyingfish on December 05, 2017, 08:18:31 PM
Why is it going backwards? What on earthbare you talking about?

As someone said above.... 'A couple of months ago we had planning permission, a developer and plans to start next year, now all of a sudden we have NO permission, and NO developer !

All true unfortunately. That's what I'm talking about

Agreed. And Khan and the club have lied to us before. So if I may quote George W, There's an old saying in Tennessee/Texas that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

But this is just not true. There is stiall a planning permission it hasnt gone away. There was no developer. Its not like they started is it? The latest iteration is superior from a real estate perspectuie and the pricess shows diligence on the part of the khans.  I work in the development industry and mahor developments like this are constantly reappraised and often successuve planning consents are sought. Once the initial principles are established a diligent landowber will see what else they can do and improve in. Development is an interative process and id be more concenred had they just merrily started digging away in the old consnet  when it is obvious to anyone who has any feeling at all for property that there is so much more value to be squeezed from the site which ultimately will be for the good of the club.

Also a planning application itself requires commitment. It is not drawn up in an afternoon. It takes months and just the application itself will cost north of about 500k to prepare. The fact that they bothered shows intent.  Sorry but they cannot be faulted on this.


So good to read some solid professional insight opposed to the normal Chairman bashing rhetoric!
These delays and improvements are perfectly normal in a project this size and is somewhat reassuring the piper who plays the tune is determined to provide an iconic Riverside structure to benefit not only the football club but the entire Fulham area.



Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: VicHalomsLovechild on December 07, 2017, 09:15:39 AM
"Go West London" reported in May that the Chairman had delayed the building work (two weeks before it was due to start) so we could maximise ticket revenues and a review on the new stand could be undertaken. Planning permission for that stand/design would still be in place.
I'm pretty sure MJG posted that as the new new stand was radically different from the old new stand another application had to be made.
I'd have to agree with Fernhurst. Being that the Club have a unique ground in a unique place any building work should try and live up to that. I'm probably biased but I feel part of the action watching football at the Cottage unlike other grounds that simply don't have a soul.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: toshes mate on December 07, 2017, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: ron on December 06, 2017, 05:25:51 PM
Tony Khan must have asked his dad for a cowboy outfit when he was younger. The delivery is ongoing as pop is in the process of creating one in SW6.
+1
Danny Murphy sums it up elsewhere and I especially like the 'walk on water' analogy he uses.  Perhaps the Khans and company should learn to walk on London SW6 6HH soil first.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: Holders on December 07, 2017, 03:30:20 PM
I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt; he's said all the right things in the past but when they mainly don't happen it'd be nice to hear from him in the form of an update. That could deflect a lot of the criticism/doubt that he receives. It would be particularly good to hear from him on recruitment policy post-Kline and whether the head coach will now get the support he wants.
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: fulhaman on December 08, 2017, 09:25:32 PM
Does anyone know when the counsel will be looking and hopefully agreeing these plans?
Title: Re: Fulham submit plans for new Riverside Stand
Post by: MJG on December 08, 2017, 09:57:28 PM
Quote from: fulhaman on December 08, 2017, 09:25:32 PM
Does anyone know when the counsel will be looking and hopefully agreeing these plans?
was told it would be looking at feb/Mar planning meetings, but tbc.