NFR: Political Correctness.

[AlFayedsChequebook]

You'll notice, I hope, that I have not described your beliefs in this topic as "disgusting"?
Maybe I have more respect for freedom of speech and belief than you?

Thanks for attempting to paint me as a bigot there who doesn't respect other people's rights  :clap_hands:

Anyway, at the moment, as far as I am aware, there is not a movement to force Catholic Church's to marry gay people. The focus of the discussion atm is the right for gay people to use the term 'marriage' to describe the union of two gay individuals. The church is completely against this, along with a number of Christian MPs who think it is there right to vote on conscience rather than the will of their constituents. Paint it how you like, but if you go to Church and ask the priest if he thinks that two gay people should be able to have a marriage in a civil ceremony he will object. The fact is, that you honestly believe anyone who is not a Catholic is going to burn in hell for the rest of eternity - a bit unreasonable wouldn't you say?

As for the adoption thing - it is difficult. Children should be protected from indoctrination, so allowing the Catholic church to house children is a bit iffy. And that is not to mention the child abuse scandals covered up by the all loving church, presumably representing God's will.

Not sure what you mean about the Bible standing the test of time - large tracts are ignored now and more and more people are seeing the bible for what it is - a man made construct designed to control large sections of the population. Religion in the UK is at its lowest ebb, surely showing the bible has not much to offer the modern person?

You are entitled to your beliefs, and I am not trying to prevent you from believing in Catholicism, but that is where it ends. You are not entitled to enforce your beliefs on others, and I am entitled to challenge your beliefs fully, in the same way you are challenging mine. There is no agenda, just the church having to give up influence it previously and unfairly held over the general population.

[AlFayedsChequebook]

I may be wrong but I didn't think that proponents of gay marriage were insisting on it being in Church.

I'd agree that Church weddings should be for believers in that faith but what if they're gay?

This is what I thought too - the gay marriage debate was about the use of the word marriage, not forcing churches to marry gay people

[sipwell]

FWIW I'm against positive discrimination. I'd always give a job to the best candidate.

What matters is that our education system provides equal opportunity for all and for all sorts of reasons that remains a remote aspiration.

Research (in psychology, sociology, economics, ...)  shows, time and again, that if you check for gender and race the end results of the people selected for a job is completely different. Less white males will get the job since they are under-qualified in comparison to the white girl or the muslim boy There is still the prejudice that "young white men" will be better and better qualified. The reality is a lot different. There is all kind of prejudice about women (want a job to get paid-leave whilst pregnant) and muslims (incapable of hard work) and the anti-discrimination law tries to rectify that. I support that, even though it is detrimental for my own chances (being a young white - and dare I say extremely attractive - male).

[Blingo]

How can you be a Catholic if you are gay? It is something that is forbidden in Catholicism.  

[Blingo]

FWIW I'm against positive discrimination. I'd always give a job to the best candidate.

What matters is that our education system provides equal opportunity for all and for all sorts of reasons that remains a remote aspiration.

Research (in psychology, sociology, economics, ...)  shows, time and again, that if you check for gender and race the end results of the people selected for a job is completely different. Less white males will get the job since they are under-qualified in comparison to the white girl or the muslim boy There is still the prejudice that "young white men" will be better and better qualified. The reality is a lot different. There is all kind of prejudice about women (want a job to get paid-leave whilst pregnant) and muslims (incapable of hard work) and the anti-discrimination law tries to rectify that. I support that, even though it is detrimental for my own chances (being a young white - and dare I say extremely attractive - male).

And extremely modest of course lol lol lol.

[RidgeRider]

I'm close to locking this thread. This thread was started to discuss political correctness and some of you have started debating beliefs. This is exactly why we don't allow religion or politics or racism.


Bring the discussion back up to its highest level or I will lock it. Thank you  065.gif

[AlFayedsChequebook]

I'm close to locking this thread. This thread was started to discuss political correctness and some of you have started debating beliefs. This is exactly why we don't allow religion or politics or racism.


Bring the discussion back up to its highest level or I will lock it. Thank you  065.gif

Highest discussion about how stupid Political Correctness is and how anyone who thinks it is good is an idiot leftie pansy?

riiiiiiiiiiight....

[LBNo11]

...politics and religion and sexual orientation, all in one thread.

Roll on the football season when our collective passion encompasses all our other views and everything becomes black & white. (or is that white shirts with white shorts and a black stripe - or is that another grey (or gray) area, and let's not complicate it with white or red socks, I mean tradition shows we could wear red and white shirts a la Arsenal, or light blue and pale blue halved shirts, but should tradition never change, on that basis maybe we should move from Craven Cottage as we have from 7 other grounds - etc.,)

Anyway all views are accepted as long as we are allowed to ignore what we don't agree with or accept that we were wrong all the time...

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[sipwell]

FWIW I'm against positive discrimination. I'd always give a job to the best candidate.

What matters is that our education system provides equal opportunity for all and for all sorts of reasons that remains a remote aspiration.

Research (in psychology, sociology, economics, ...)  shows, time and again, that if you check for gender and race the end results of the people selected for a job is completely different. Less white males will get the job since they are under-qualified in comparison to the white girl or the muslim boy There is still the prejudice that "young white men" will be better and better qualified. The reality is a lot different. There is all kind of prejudice about women (want a job to get paid-leave whilst pregnant) and muslims (incapable of hard work) and the anti-discrimination law tries to rectify that. I support that, even though it is detrimental for my own chances (being a young white - and dare I say extremely attractive - male).

And extremely modest of course lol lol lol.

Modesty does not suit me. Nor does a lack of irony! :)

[FatFreddysCat]

PC  :035:

[Blingo]

See you at the Eelbrook then LB lol.

[Blingo]

FWIW I'm against positive discrimination. I'd always give a job to the best candidate.

What matters is that our education system provides equal opportunity for all and for all sorts of reasons that remains a remote aspiration.

Research (in psychology, sociology, economics, ...)  shows, time and again, that if you check for gender and race the end results of the people selected for a job is completely different. Less white males will get the job since they are under-qualified in comparison to the white girl or the muslim boy There is still the prejudice that "young white men" will be better and better qualified. The reality is a lot different. There is all kind of prejudice about women (want a job to get paid-leave whilst pregnant) and muslims (incapable of hard work) and the anti-discrimination law tries to rectify that. I support that, even though it is detrimental for my own chances (being a young white - and dare I say extremely attractive - male).

And extremely modest of course lol lol lol.

Modesty does not suit me. Nor does a lack of irony! :)

LOL.;p

[sipwell]

So Blingo, is this not PC the other way around?

BELGRADE, Serbia (AP)

Midfielder Adem Ljajic has been suspended from the Serbian national team for failing to sing the national anthem before a friendly against Spain, Serbia's football association said Monday.

It said in a statement that Serbia's new coach, Sinisa Mihajlovic, ''sent Ljajic home'' because he did not comply with his set of rules that stipulate players have to sing the anthem before all international matches.

Ljajic, who is a Muslim unlike most of the players who are Christian Orthodox, did not sing the anthem ''because of his personal reasons,'' the statement said.

''The coach had a meeting with Ljajic,'' the statement said. ''After getting the information that because of his personal reasons he did not sing the anthem, Sinisa Mihajlovic told the player to return home.''

Serbia lost 2-0 to Spain in St. Gallen, Switzerland, on Saturday. Serbia, which did not qualify for the European Championship, is to play France in another friendly match later this week.

The association said that when the 20-year-old Ljajic changes his ''personal stand,'' he will be allowed back into the squad.

Earlier this month Ljajic was slapped by his former Fiorentina coach Delio Rossi as he returned to the bench after being substituted in a Serie A game. Ljajic had stuck his thumb up ironically.

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/soccer/story/Ljajic-suspended-from-Serbian-national-team-08623565

[RidgeRider]

I'm close to locking this thread. This thread was started to discuss political correctness and some of you have started debating beliefs. This is exactly why we don't allow religion or politics or racism.


Bring the discussion back up to its highest level or I will lock it. Thank you  065.gif

Highest discussion about how stupid Political Correctness is and how anyone who thinks it is good is an idiot leftie pansy?

riiiiiiiiiiight....

Your response is exactly why we don't usually allow these topics to spring up because posters can't be trusted to stay on topic and it degrades to "lefty/righty". No matter what perspective you come into the discussion, neither perspective owns the moral high ground on "open mindedness". It's a myth.

Topic closed.