Poll-Mr Ruiz

[Forever Fulham]

He was played out of position at Fulham.  He had no support.  Berbatov made things even worse re: Ruiz.  He is arguably the best positional player we have left -- as a trailing or second forward.  Would you play Christiano Ronaldo as a target man or left back?  Of course not.  Did Bryan have a center mid who could get him the ball and to whom he could advance the ball?  We had a pathetic midfield after Dembele and Clint left.  We often lived in our backfield.  And you want to get rid of him?!  And replace him with children?  Pretend all you want that what you saw in the World Cup was a mirage, a mere happenstance, that it's no indication of his quality, of what was hidden by poor Fulham management and supporting cast.  Go on, pretend.  You set this poll up as a self fulfilling prophesy, skewed to get a 'No, sell him' response.  He's the real deal.  So of course it would be the Fulhamish way to get rid of him now, under new management, with new players coming in.  We're all so sure the youngsters will step up and get us back to the EPL.   Yeah, right.  Good luck with that. 

[Pie and mash]

Well we sit going to get a fee for him so might as well keep gold of him

[MrProphet]

He was played out of position at Fulham.  He had no support.  Berbatov made things even worse re: Ruiz.  He is arguably the best positional player we have left -- as a trailing or second forward.  Would you play Christiano Ronaldo as a target man or left back?  Of course not.  Did Bryan have a center mid who could get him the ball and to whom he could advance the ball?  We had a pathetic midfield after Dembele and Clint left.  We often lived in our backfield.  And you want to get rid of him?!  And replace him with children?  Pretend all you want that what you saw in the World Cup was a mirage, a mere happenstance, that it's no indication of his quality, of what was hidden by poor Fulham management and supporting cast.  Go on, pretend.  You set this poll up as a self fulfilling prophesy, skewed to get a 'No, sell him' response.  He's the real deal.  So of course it would be the Fulhamish way to get rid of him now, under new management, with new players coming in.  We're all so sure the youngsters will step up and get us back to the EPL.   Yeah, right.  Good luck with that.  

To a certain extent I take the played out of position argument, he played all over the place because he didn't excell in any.

For every flash of brilliance he dwelled on the ball to long and got caught in possession, ran in to an opposing player or couldn't be bothered to put a foot on for a ball 5 yards away.

To me he's the prime example of someone you have to build a team around him and someone who will only show glimpses in a top league because he can't compute the situation quick enough to dictate play. He ll excell in a serie a or the eredivise where you get that time and space

I truly cannot understand how he's being portrayed as a victim though

[BestOfBrede]

He was played out of position at Fulham.  He had no support.  Berbatov made things even worse re: Ruiz.  He is arguably the best positional player we have left -- as a trailing or second forward.  Would you play Christiano Ronaldo as a target man or left back?  Of course not.  Did Bryan have a center mid who could get him the ball and to whom he could advance the ball?  We had a pathetic midfield after Dembele and Clint left.  We often lived in our backfield.  And you want to get rid of him?!  And replace him with children?  Pretend all you want that what you saw in the World Cup was a mirage, a mere happenstance, that it's no indication of his quality, of what was hidden by poor Fulham management and supporting cast.  Go on, pretend.  You set this poll up as a self fulfilling prophesy, skewed to get a 'No, sell him' response.  He's the real deal.  So of course it would be the Fulhamish way to get rid of him now, under new management, with new players coming in.  We're all so sure the youngsters will step up and get us back to the EPL.   Yeah, right.  Good luck with that.

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[Blanco]

Can't believe most people still think Ruiz can do the job for us.  fp.gif

most people know parker cant do a job for us and here is still here. so why not ruiz who at least has some ability

Using Parker as an example still doesn't mean Ruiz should stay with us. I'd rather keep Parker. I believe he will be ok for us in the midfield. Regardless, Ruiz should go. No question. Mr Prophet is right.

How people think Ruiz is the man that can help us return to the Premier League baffles me. He is so not the sort of man or player to do that.

[Fulham76]

He was played out of position at Fulham.  He had no support.  Berbatov made things even worse re: Ruiz.  He is arguably the best positional player we have left -- as a trailing or second forward.  Would you play Christiano Ronaldo as a target man or left back?  Of course not.  Did Bryan have a center mid who could get him the ball and to whom he could advance the ball?  We had a pathetic midfield after Dembele and Clint left.  We often lived in our backfield.  And you want to get rid of him?!  And replace him with children?  Pretend all you want that what you saw in the World Cup was a mirage, a mere happenstance, that it's no indication of his quality, of what was hidden by poor Fulham management and supporting cast.  Go on, pretend.  You set this poll up as a self fulfilling prophesy, skewed to get a 'No, sell him' response.  He's the real deal.  So of course it would be the Fulhamish way to get rid of him now, under new management, with new players coming in.  We're all so sure the youngsters will step up and get us back to the EPL.   Yeah, right.  Good luck with that. 

I'm getting bored of this 'Ruiz was played out of position' argument. If he's the top player a few on here seem to think he is, he would stand out as a top player. Using your example of Ronaldo at left back, I bet Ronaldo would make a decent left back who was brilliant at breaking forward.
Ruiz had no more than a handful of decent performances for us & was barely noticeable, (not for the right reasons anyway), in most of the others, and he was never played as far out of position as left back. He was always in or around the position where he was supposed to be but just couldn't cut it at this level.

[fulhamben]

Can't believe most people still think Ruiz can do the job for us.  fp.gif

most people know parker cant do a job for us and here is still here. so why not ruiz who at least has some ability

Using Parker as an example still doesn't mean Ruiz should stay with us. I'd rather keep Parker. I believe he will be ok for us in the midfield. Regardless, Ruiz should go. No question. Mr Prophet is right.

How people think Ruiz is the man that can help us return to the Premier League baffles me. He is so not the sort of man or player to do that.

and parker spent a whole season proving how poor he was in the middle. how anyone can think he will do anything over than degress further at his age is beyond me

[Blanco]

Can't believe most people still think Ruiz can do the job for us.  fp.gif

most people know parker cant do a job for us and here is still here. so why not ruiz who at least has some ability

Using Parker as an example still doesn't mean Ruiz should stay with us. I'd rather keep Parker. I believe he will be ok for us in the midfield. Regardless, Ruiz should go. No question. Mr Prophet is right.

How people think Ruiz is the man that can help us return to the Premier League baffles me. He is so not the sort of man or player to do that.

and parker spent a whole season proving how poor he was in the middle. how anyone can think he will do anything over than degress further at his age is beyond me

I think Parker had a great first half of the season. He did go right down hill afterwards and that's probably due to his age. The Championship is a different league and won't be as fast as the Premier League. I think he can provide some experience and strength in the midfield. Giving 100%, getting plenty of challenges in and throwing yourself in front of the ball is what he does best and is what will be needed this season. Ruiz's odd fancy trick and limp wrist is not.

[fulhamben]

Can't believe most people still think Ruiz can do the job for us.  fp.gif

most people know parker cant do a job for us and here is still here. so why not ruiz who at least has some ability

Using Parker as an example still doesn't mean Ruiz should stay with us. I'd rather keep Parker. I believe he will be ok for us in the midfield. Regardless, Ruiz should go. No question. Mr Prophet is right.

How people think Ruiz is the man that can help us return to the Premier League baffles me. He is so not the sort of man or player to do that.

and parker spent a whole season proving how poor he was in the middle. how anyone can think he will do anything over than degress further at his age is beyond me

I think Parker had a great first half of the season. He did go right down hill afterwards and that's probably due to his age. The Championship is a different league and won't be as fast as the Premier League. I think he can provide some experience and strength in the midfield. Giving 100%, getting plenty of challenges in and throwing yourself in front of the ball is what he does best and is what will be needed this season. Ruiz's odd fancy trick and limp wrist is not.

I see. so even though parker cant handle it at the top level, he will be ok because the championship will be more forgiving. but that doesn't apply to ruiz. well lets hope you are right. because a dm can cost you games where as an attacking player cant

[jags24]

I think Parker had a great first half of the season. He did go right down hill afterwards and that's probably due to his age.

It is due to his age, and in fact in the second half, once he was given a week off, he came back strong and was MoM.  Same point as Ruiz, if Parker is managed right, then he can be real good.

I'm sure Ronaldo would be an outstanding left back because he tackles so well. :022:

[Blanco]

Can't believe most people still think Ruiz can do the job for us.  fp.gif

most people know parker cant do a job for us and here is still here. so why not ruiz who at least has some ability

Using Parker as an example still doesn't mean Ruiz should stay with us. I'd rather keep Parker. I believe he will be ok for us in the midfield. Regardless, Ruiz should go. No question. Mr Prophet is right.

How people think Ruiz is the man that can help us return to the Premier League baffles me. He is so not the sort of man or player to do that.

and parker spent a whole season proving how poor he was in the middle. how anyone can think he will do anything over than degress further at his age is beyond me

I think Parker had a great first half of the season. He did go right down hill afterwards and that's probably due to his age. The Championship is a different league and won't be as fast as the Premier League. I think he can provide some experience and strength in the midfield. Giving 100%, getting plenty of challenges in and throwing yourself in front of the ball is what he does best and is what will be needed this season. Ruiz's odd fancy trick and limp wrist is not.

I see. so even though parker cant handle it at the top level, he will be ok because the championship will be more forgiving. but that doesn't apply to ruiz. well lets hope you are right. because a dm can cost you games where as an attacking player cant

What I mean is that the Championship isn't as fast paced and Parker will be able to handle it easier. Ruiz isn't meant for English football let alone the Championship. Ruiz is just too poncy and lightweight for the division. And your wrong, an attacking player can very well cost you a game. Think about all those pathetic performances by Ruiz were we could have had some othe player on in his place that could have made a difference.

[fulhamben]

Can't believe most people still think Ruiz can do the job for us.  fp.gif

most people know parker cant do a job for us and here is still here. so why not ruiz who at least has some ability

Using Parker as an example still doesn't mean Ruiz should stay with us. I'd rather keep Parker. I believe he will be ok for us in the midfield. Regardless, Ruiz should go. No question. Mr Prophet is right.

How people think Ruiz is the man that can help us return to the Premier League baffles me. He is so not the sort of man or player to do that.

and parker spent a whole season proving how poor he was in the middle. how anyone can think he will do anything over than degress further at his age is beyond me

I think Parker had a great first half of the season. He did go right down hill afterwards and that's probably due to his age. The Championship is a different league and won't be as fast as the Premier League. I think he can provide some experience and strength in the midfield. Giving 100%, getting plenty of challenges in and throwing yourself in front of the ball is what he does best and is what will be needed this season. Ruiz's odd fancy trick and limp wrist is not.

I see. so even though parker cant handle it at the top level, he will be ok because the championship will be more forgiving. but that doesn't apply to ruiz. well lets hope you are right. because a dm can cost you games where as an attacking player cant

What I mean is that the Championship isn't as fast paced and Parker will be able to handle it easier. Ruiz isn't meant for English football let alone the Championship. Ruiz is just too poncy and lightweight for the division. And your wrong, an attacking player can very well cost you a game. Think about all those pathetic performances by Ruiz were we could have had some othe player on in his place that could have made a difference.

if ruiz makes a mistake, there are still 9 players behind him to mop up. parker gave our defence as much protection as a split condom would. the only thing going for parker is that our attack might keep the ball away from him

[Blanco]

It's funny how two people can have such opposite views. It's what makes life interesting I suppose.

The argument isn't about Parker's competence but about Ruiz's. The argument is mute anyway because he'll be gone before the start of the season and I won't have to see him in a Fulham shirt again and this argument will be finally over.

It's not about the defensive side of things and how many player are behind him to "mop up". It's about what he can create goal wise. Which was very little in a FFC shirt.

[fulhamben]

It's funny how two people can have such opposite views. It's what makes life interesting I suppose.

The argument isn't about Parker's competence but about Ruiz's. The argument is mute anyway because he'll be gone before the start of the season and I won't have to see him in a Fulham shirt again and this argument will be finally over.

It's not about the defensive side of things and how many player are behind him to "mop up". It's about what he can create goal wise. Which was very little in a FFC shirt.

yes and to see the best of ruiz, you need decent cm's behind him. him and dembele were tearing it up before he got sold. and when he had parker and sidwell behind him, he looked crap because he had to drop so deep to get the ball. what we are essentially doing, is getting rid of the better player, because the crap behind have stupid contracts and make others look worse.

[Arthur]

But I can't see how the Championship with less time to dwell on the ball will help us or him.

You're not alone in thinking this on this forum, but I think this could be a fallacy.

Players, in general, appear to have less time on the ball in the Championship because their technique is not as good as the average PL player; Championship players need that little bit longer to get the ball under control, at which point they have that little bit less time to release the ball, something which - compared to their PL counterparts - they are slightly less-skilled at doing anyhow.

Of course, this doesn't mean that Ruiz will necessarily do any better for us if he stays this season. With his technique, however, I would expect to see that he has as much time to 'dwell on the ball' as he had in the PL.

[dannyboi-ffc]

It's funny how two people can have such opposite views. It's what makes life interesting I suppose.

The argument isn't about Parker's competence but about Ruiz's. The argument is mute anyway because he'll be gone before the start of the season and I won't have to see him in a Fulham shirt again and this argument will be finally over.

It's not about the defensive side of things and how many player are behind him to "mop up". It's about what he can create goal wise. Which was very little in a FFC shirt.

yes and to see the best of ruiz, you need decent cm's behind him. him and dembele were tearing it up before he got sold. and when he had parker and sidwell behind him, he looked crap because he had to drop so deep to get the ball. what we are essentially doing, is getting rid of the better player, because the crap behind have stupid contracts and make others look worse.

Dembele was class but your kidding yourself if you believe ruiz was better then to what he was last year. Yes we were a better team back then but that was because of players like murphy, dembele, zamora, dempsey who carried ruiz along. The past two years the team has been awful, im not saying thats down to ruiz but it meant that no one could no longer carry him. Ruiz has never been consistantly good, its just more noticeable in a worse team.

And forwards can easily cost you a match, ruiz in alot of games was like us playing with 10 men which gives you a disadvantage. Sometimes he showed glimpes of class but for 10 mill its not good enough to be able to put his best bits in a 40 second clip.

Berbatov ruined whatever there ever was of ruiz, its time to move on

[JackyFulham90]

No we have to sell, his value is at its highest he will not suit Championship football.

[Craven Mad]

For me, Ruiz at CAM with Ross & Rod ahead would be incredible. Defenders wouldn't dare give our strikers room, which would give Ruiz the time and space he needs.

I think Ruiz was rubbish at the end as no one made runs ahead of him and there was no pace in the team. With Berba in the team, and our wide men having to defend (to cover our useless fullbacks) Bryan was a wasted selection.

I think things could be different now. His ability to get and assist, or incredible goal, could prove invaluable. So I really hope we hold onto him.

[HatterDon]

I'm comfortable with Felix making the call.

[nose]

Can't believe most people still think Ruiz can do the job for us.  fp.gif

they don't
the vast majority think he is a waste of space.
if you have been to any games in the last two and a half years there is no doubt that he is not suited.
i have just come from an event where there were many fulham fans and hardly anyone wanted to see him back.
The poll here is incredible... i support fulham and want to see them better, that means we need better players than ruiz. if he was really any good it would have shown by now.

regardless of opinions I suspect magath will not want him, but will want the fee to help buy someb0dy else.