s Magath a mad man ?

[love4ffc]

At Friday's kick about in JAX the team looked very lively.  Lots of great ball movement from box to box.  Something we didn't see much off last season.  If a mad man is responsible for that then I for one am glad.   


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[hovewhite]

If it works then great,total madness.

[terryr]

I didn't agree with any of his team selections last year but gave him the benefit of the doubt none of the players were his but for crying out loud to ship them all out just seems plain daft ...you need a nucleus that know and appreciate the club, you don't get rid of them all en masse use some common sense.  049:gif COYW FTID

err given the poor team we had last year.
Getting rid of them en mass is exactly what you do

[Riverside]

Winning is a habit
Losing is a habit

Last year the 1st team players developed a habit of losing

The youth have the habit of winning

Therefore let's build around those used to winning and not those used to losing


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[F(f)CUK]

One thing that we should have learnt over the past decade or more is that it is really difficult to get a completely new team to work. It took us two years to adjust to a division before promotion, Sanchez's complete overhaul did not work. For other teams Manchester City took a while to make Champions League and then be title winners. I would prefer a little more evolution but actually that should have started a few years ago.

[fulhamben]

One thing that we should have learnt over the past decade or more is that it is really difficult to get a completely new team to work. It took us two years to adjust to a division before promotion, Sanchez's complete overhaul did not work. For other teams Manchester City took a while to make Champions League and then be title winners. I would prefer a little more evolution but actually that should have started a few years ago.

yes but the first years in the divisions, look at the managers. wilkins, bracewell and lets not even go their with sanchez. we currently have a manager with the best cv ever, and our richest biggest spending chairman.

[alfie]

Senderos gave 100% enthusiasm and commitment for the job, but unfortunately he was condemmed by the masses.

Commitment and enthusiasm count for nothing, he cannot read the game and he was rash, why bring him up at all?

OH my word i am so sorry i did not realise that i was not allowed to talk about ex players. Seems that only some posters are allowed to do this. He was no more rash then certain others players, but of course he was a target for a lot on this board, i cannot wait to see who it is this season.

[HatterDon]

Senderos gave 100% enthusiasm and commitment for the job, but unfortunately he was condemmed by the masses.

Commitment and enthusiasm count for nothing, he cannot read the game and he was rash, why bring him up at all?

OH my word i am so sorry i did not realise that i was not allowed to talk about ex players. Seems that only some posters are allowed to do this. He was no more rash then certain others players, but of course he was a target for a lot on this board, i cannot wait to see who it is this season.

and you do know that there will be two or three -- even if we get promoted.

Big Phil had his limitations -- if he hadn't, he wouldn't have been playing for us -- but he did a good job on the Anichebes and Coles of the Prem, and was a threat going forward. I hope he spends the rest of his career appreciated by more knowledgeable supporters.

[Logicalman]

I didn't agree with any of his team selections last year but gave him the benefit of the doubt none of the players were his but for crying out loud to ship them all out just seems plain daft ...you need a nucleus that know and appreciate the club, you don't get rid of them all en masse use some common sense.  049:gif COYW FTID

I am struggling to think of any of last years "senior" players I would want the club to keep, who did you have in mind?

The feeling I had was that none showed much enthusiasm for the job and to get out of the Championship our players are going to need both skill and desire.

I would agree with this assessment, and that warrants a clear-out imo. I do understand the comment "a nucleus that know and appreciate the club" but I would struggle to find more than one or two that could fall into that category from last years squad, and that is not enough. Had we remained in the Prem perhaps so, but now is the time to have a clear-out if one is required, both well before the season starts and in time to rebuild for the coming season and, perhaps, enough to spring us back up with a young, talented and drilled squad.

[Logicalman]

One thing that we should have learnt over the past decade or more is that it is really difficult to get a completely new team to work. It took us two years to adjust to a division before promotion, Sanchez's complete overhaul did not work. For other teams Manchester City took a while to make Champions League and then be title winners. I would prefer a little more evolution but actually that should have started a few years ago.

I agree with the sentiments in general, though using the LS experiment as anecdotal evidence might be considered flawed, considering the pigs ear he made considering the overall picture.

[AnotherVicHalomLoveChild]

Madder than a bagful of badgers........chomping on LS's pigs ear

Will it work though - we will start to see very soon

Everything crossed!

[Milo]

Senderos gave 100% enthusiasm and commitment for the job, but unfortunately he was condemmed by the masses.

..but was liable to at least one goal-conceding mistake every game... I liked the bloke but realistically he was a disaster waiting to happen (and regularly it did happen!).

[Holders]

Senderos must go down for one of the best football quotes of all time: "he likes to come in your face".

[Tonywa]

Senderos must go down for one of the best football quotes of all time: "he likes to come in your face".

No wonder his defending was so nervous!

[the nutflush]

Senderos must go down for one of the best football quotes of all time: "he likes to come in your face".

No wonder his defending was so nervous!

It also explains that worried facial expression that he always wore.

[HatterDon]

Senderos gave 100% enthusiasm and commitment for the job, but unfortunately he was condemmed by the masses.

..but was liable to at least one goal-conceding mistake every game... I liked the bloke but realistically he was a disaster waiting to happen (and regularly it did happen!).

And, as we all know, Senderos was the only central defender in football who made mistakes.

[Tonywa]

Senderos gave 100% enthusiasm and commitment for the job, but unfortunately he was condemmed by the masses.

..but was liable to at least one goal-conceding mistake every game... I liked the bloke but realistically he was a disaster waiting to happen (and regularly it did happen!).

And, as we all know, Senderos was the only central defender in football who made mistakes.

Of course not.  Just that he made really bad ones more frequently than most and has done throughout his career.

[MasterHaynes]

Winning is a habit
Losing is a habit

Last year the 1st team players developed a habit of losing

The youth have the habit of winning

Therefore let's build around those used to winning and not those used to losing


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:plus one:

[Pluto]

Senderos gave 100% enthusiasm and commitment for the job, but unfortunately he was condemmed by the masses.

..but was liable to at least one goal-conceding mistake every game... I liked the bloke but realistically he was a disaster waiting to happen (and regularly it did happen!).

yawn

[God The Mechanic]

Senderos gave 100% enthusiasm and commitment for the job, but unfortunately he was condemmed by the masses.

..but was liable to at least one goal-conceding mistake every game... I liked the bloke but realistically he was a disaster waiting to happen (and regularly it did happen!).

And, as we all know, Senderos was the only central defender in football who made mistakes.

Of course not.  Just that he made really bad ones more frequently than most and has done throughout his career.

http://eplindex.com/24736/defensive-error-prone-players-premier-league-stats-comparison.html

Yes it's for 2012-13, but Senderos isn't even on that list.  Which means he made fewer than 3 mistakes in 21 games, which by my reasoning is clearly at least one a game...