NFR Cecil RIP

[ToodlesMcToot]

I want to speak to the claim that Palmer is being singled out unfairly for a practice that has been going on for a long time.
it is irrelevant how long a practice has beeing going on
cild abuse went on for years as did slavery, as di wife beating etc etc and they were all wrong, the length of time they went on for is totally irelevant, the reason they happened was because of physical strength.... time did not make time any more correct.

The simple truth is that the paradigm has shifted and we are no longer living in the same world we inhabited even five years ago. Information now spreads like a wildfire across online social circles. The public shaming of Palmer isn't an anomaly that will be soon forgotten; it is a harbinger of things to come. The genie will not be let back in the bottle (unless one of those wicked radiation sun storms actually does occur and sends us all back to the Stone Age). Public awareness of the issue has reached a tipping point overnight. This will happen more and more.

A story from earlier tonight: here in America, the baseball trading window closes in 36 hours. A few hours ago, news of a major trade became public knowledge. In fact, one player was shown crying on the field because he was about to leave the only organization he ever knew and everyone in attendance was aware of the fact. But sure enough, the trade was canceled less than an hour later because one team didn't like the medical report it received. Everyone in baseball is talking about this unprecedented event: a trade was agreed upon, players involved were named and informed, and because of social media, the public knew. Surely this wasn't the first time a trade was scuttled at the last moment, but it was the first time it played out in the public domain. The analysts are asking each other, "Have you ever seen anything like this??" No, but they will again. And again.

palmer is being singled out extremely fairly
it is scandalous to even begin to want to suggest he isn't
the media if it chose to could close down hunting in a week!
well nearly but there is
a) no perceived money in it although I would suggest promoting anti hunting could be far more lucrative
and
b) too many of the hunting murdering mob are running the show, old school tie, big business men and so on

he is defintiel not being singled out and if the story was dropped in the USA well that is another black mark to your media... bu te way ours is just as bad


i also have now heard it said pro hunting money helps conservation by spending in areas to [protect wildlife that would otherwise have died out.... what a lot of of rubbish that is.... if these people were wildlife lovers they wouldn't kill it they would leave it be.      

the issue is simple, hunters kill for sport, for the love of killing an unarmed unprotected entity with no chance of self defence or no choice. that is why it morally wrong and reprehensible.... this guy was a name we can point our anger at and the lion was a name we could identify with and feel sorry for and ashamed one of our kind killed him. it will hopefully mobilise a bit of world support to get hunting stopped once and for all... i hope the wprlds children notice and bring pressure on their neadedatal parents!

Hunters' money does help with conservation of both habitat and wildlife in general.

And if there wasn't a culling of deer by hunters each year in the area where I live, there would be over population and starvation. That is a fact. And, no, natural selection isn't the best solution in this case. For you to suggest such, shows how ignorant you are to the matter.

[ToodlesMcToot]

Surely if an American wants to hunt and kill he could just join the police.

That's out of line and highly disrespectful to the vast majority of officers who perform their very dangerous job admirably every day.

Not saying there aren't decent officers in the US, but there is something in what Nero says.

From an article released mid-June:



That's pretty shocking, even with the population variance.

Full Article: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries

I don't dispute that there is a problem (a dire one) within our police force. Not for an instant.

But, if one wants to point that out, a sarcastic and grossly disrespectful post like Nero's is a tactless way of going about it.

[win-dup]

Looking at some of the lunatic fringe ''activists'' (like our home grown activists I doubt any of them has ever held a job down) demonstrating outside the dentists home, I'm beginning to feel slightly sorry for him.

[f321ffc]

I want to speak to the claim that Palmer is being singled out unfairly for a practice that has been going on for a long time.
it is irrelevant how long a practice has beeing going on
cild abuse went on for years as did slavery, as di wife beating etc etc and they were all wrong, the length of time they went on for is totally irelevant, the reason they happened was because of physical strength.... time did not make time any more correct.

The simple truth is that the paradigm has shifted and we are no longer living in the same world we inhabited even five years ago. Information now spreads like a wildfire across online social circles. The public shaming of Palmer isn't an anomaly that will be soon forgotten; it is a harbinger of things to come. The genie will not be let back in the bottle (unless one of those wicked radiation sun storms actually does occur and sends us all back to the Stone Age). Public awareness of the issue has reached a tipping point overnight. This will happen more and more.

A story from earlier tonight: here in America, the baseball trading window closes in 36 hours. A few hours ago, news of a major trade became public knowledge. In fact, one player was shown crying on the field because he was about to leave the only organization he ever knew and everyone in attendance was aware of the fact. But sure enough, the trade was canceled less than an hour later because one team didn't like the medical report it received. Everyone in baseball is talking about this unprecedented event: a trade was agreed upon, players involved were named and informed, and because of social media, the public knew. Surely this wasn't the first time a trade was scuttled at the last moment, but it was the first time it played out in the public domain. The analysts are asking each other, "Have you ever seen anything like this??" No, but they will again. And again.

palmer is being singled out extremely fairly
it is scandalous to even begin to want to suggest he isn't
the media if it chose to could close down hunting in a week!
well nearly but there is
a) no perceived money in it although I would suggest promoting anti hunting could be far more lucrative
and
b) too many of the hunting murdering mob are running the show, old school tie, big business men and so on

he is defintiel not being singled out and if the story was dropped in the USA well that is another black mark to your media... bu te way ours is just as bad


i also have now heard it said pro hunting money helps conservation by spending in areas to [protect wildlife that would otherwise have died out.... what a lot of of rubbish that is.... if these people were wildlife lovers they wouldn't kill it they would leave it be.       

the issue is simple, hunters kill for sport, for the love of killing an unarmed unprotected entity with no chance of self defence or no choice. that is why it morally wrong and reprehensible.... this guy was a name we can point our anger at and the lion was a name we could identify with and feel sorry for and ashamed one of our kind killed him. it will hopefully mobilise a bit of world support to get hunting stopped once and for all... i hope the wprlds children notice and bring pressure on their neadedatal parents!

Hunters' money does help with conservation of both habitat and wildlife in general.

And if there wasn't a culling of deer by hunters each year in the area where I live, there would be over population and starvation. That is a fact. And, no, natural selection isn't the best solution in this case. For you to suggest such, shows how ignorant you are to the matter.

Culling in over populated areas of Deer or any other species is a form of conservation, the moronic  killing for fun of any animal  let alone endangered species is just down right wrong, when will these idiots learn. fp.gif

[ToodlesMcToot]

I want to speak to the claim that Palmer is being singled out unfairly for a practice that has been going on for a long time.
it is irrelevant how long a practice has beeing going on
cild abuse went on for years as did slavery, as di wife beating etc etc and they were all wrong, the length of time they went on for is totally irelevant, the reason they happened was because of physical strength.... time did not make time any more correct.

The simple truth is that the paradigm has shifted and we are no longer living in the same world we inhabited even five years ago. Information now spreads like a wildfire across online social circles. The public shaming of Palmer isn't an anomaly that will be soon forgotten; it is a harbinger of things to come. The genie will not be let back in the bottle (unless one of those wicked radiation sun storms actually does occur and sends us all back to the Stone Age). Public awareness of the issue has reached a tipping point overnight. This will happen more and more.

A story from earlier tonight: here in America, the baseball trading window closes in 36 hours. A few hours ago, news of a major trade became public knowledge. In fact, one player was shown crying on the field because he was about to leave the only organization he ever knew and everyone in attendance was aware of the fact. But sure enough, the trade was canceled less than an hour later because one team didn't like the medical report it received. Everyone in baseball is talking about this unprecedented event: a trade was agreed upon, players involved were named and informed, and because of social media, the public knew. Surely this wasn't the first time a trade was scuttled at the last moment, but it was the first time it played out in the public domain. The analysts are asking each other, "Have you ever seen anything like this??" No, but they will again. And again.

palmer is being singled out extremely fairly
it is scandalous to even begin to want to suggest he isn't
the media if it chose to could close down hunting in a week!
well nearly but there is
a) no perceived money in it although I would suggest promoting anti hunting could be far more lucrative
and
b) too many of the hunting murdering mob are running the show, old school tie, big business men and so on

he is defintiel not being singled out and if the story was dropped in the USA well that is another black mark to your media... bu te way ours is just as bad


i also have now heard it said pro hunting money helps conservation by spending in areas to [protect wildlife that would otherwise have died out.... what a lot of of rubbish that is.... if these people were wildlife lovers they wouldn't kill it they would leave it be.       

the issue is simple, hunters kill for sport, for the love of killing an unarmed unprotected entity with no chance of self defence or no choice. that is why it morally wrong and reprehensible.... this guy was a name we can point our anger at and the lion was a name we could identify with and feel sorry for and ashamed one of our kind killed him. it will hopefully mobilise a bit of world support to get hunting stopped once and for all... i hope the wprlds children notice and bring pressure on their neadedatal parents!

Hunters' money does help with conservation of both habitat and wildlife in general.

And if there wasn't a culling of deer by hunters each year in the area where I live, there would be over population and starvation. That is a fact. And, no, natural selection isn't the best solution in this case. For you to suggest such, shows how ignorant you are to the matter.

Culling in over populated areas of Deer or any other species is a form of conservation, the moronic  killing for fun of any animal  let alone endangered species is just down right wrong, when will these idiots learn. fp.gif

Hopefully, I've made it clear that I don't condone trophy hunting.

[Jonaldiniho 88]

I am sickened by why you would want to kill such a great creature for its head and skin but this witch hunt is ridiculous. He should be prosecuted if proven to have broken the law but one man killed one lion. Let's lynch him! There have probably been at least double figures of lions killed since this story broke (I would guess much more) . Spend your time saving lions not attacking one man.

[YankeeJim]

I am sickened by why you would want to kill such a great creature for its head and skin but this witch hunt is ridiculous. He should be prosecuted if proven to have broken the law but one man killed one lion. Let's lynch him! There have probably been at least double figures of lions killed since this story broke (I would guess much more) . Spend your time saving lions not attacking one man.

The guy has lost his business so will not be financing $50k trips anytime soon and has the real possibility of some time in an African jail. I agree, lets worry more about saving the remainder of that magnificent species rather than piling on this one jerk.

[Jonaldiniho 88]

I am sickened by why you would want to kill such a great creature for its head and skin but this witch hunt is ridiculous. He should be prosecuted if proven to have broken the law but one man killed one lion. Let's lynch him! There have probably been at least double figures of lions killed since this story broke (I would guess much more) . Spend your time saving lions not attacking one man.

The guy has lost his business so will not be financing $50k trips anytime soon and has the real possibility of some time in an African jail. I agree, lets worry more about saving the remainder of that magnificent species rather than piling on this one jerk.

It just seems so close minded to me that all these people can attack one man with a despicable hobby but if they all spent the same time and passion doing something to protect lions, lions would be in a better place. Hating a dentist won't help lions. There are lion farms where hunters shoot them in much more confined space. I wish humans would stop all of this culling/killing. If any animal had it's say it would be culling humans for ruining everything. Hypocritical is an understatement. The only animal that has destroyed everything is us.

I think this maybe political. I'm not trying to be that. If I am please delete my post mods.

[Forever Fulham]

I seem to recall reading that the guides lured Cecil off the preserve by slowly dragging a carcass which the majestic animal followed.  I don't know for sure that the dentist knew what his guides were doing was wrong or illegal, but I strongly suspect he did.  I think he is scum.  That animal wasn't just another food source for a family.  It was the symbol of the entire preserve.  A well known animal, somewhat rare, apparently, for its black mane.  The lion's very notoriety leads me to believe the hunter knew exactly what the animal meant to the preserve, to its visitors, and that it was a special animal.  And that made him want to kill it, decapitate it, and have a taxidermist stuff it all the more.  Something to show off in a family room or man cave.  The great hunter. 

I eat meat.  Like most of you, I have some twinges of guilt and misgivings about eating meat.  But this isn't an abundant genus. (Kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus,species, variety -- right?)  It's a lion, and there aren't that many left.  Kill a deer in hunting season, fine with me.  Go on, brave dentist, with your deer urine, your high tech clothing, fancy tree stand, high powered rifle, hand warmers, foot warmers, all terrain vehicle...  Kill deer for all I care.  Just leave endangered animals alone.  I want my children and their children to be able to see a live rhinoceros, a live elephant, a tiger, or a lion, in the wild,  if they desire.  Not have to go to the zoo to see one of the last few remaining.  What a death culture we live in.  And how is killing such animals this way a"sport"?   In Detroit, they used to joke that when a dentist has a mid life crisis, he buys a Corvette.  At least no rare animal would die.  I wonder how the brave hunter killed the lion.  Did he wait until the truck which was pulling the dead carcass came to a complete stop outside the preserve.  And then, when poor old Cecil started to munch on the dead animal, did brave dentist let loose his arrow?  That's hunting? 

[fulhamfan]

5 pages of this? what is the world coming to!?

[Oakeshott]

"I seem to recall reading"

Indeed, but in the press and, as we know from rumours of Fulham transfers, the press is very often way off the mark.

We won't know exactly what happened until after any court case, and maybe not then, and one certainly couldn't rely on a just hearing in Zimbabwe - the verdict would probably turn on what sort of day Ma Mugabe was having.

Many of us dislike (or stronger) "hunting for pleasure", but some enjoy it and where it is legal that is all the justification they need.

As for the witch hunt re the dentist, as with Sewell a few days before, watching mob mentality at work is never attractive, even if the object of their attentions has done something detestable.

As has been noted several times on this thread, there are many things way more important than the demise of one elderly lion, even though his death for someone's "pleasure" clearly strikes most if not all of us as deplorable.

[hopper]

It's something embedded in the culture, I was in Vegas a few years ago and a casino had an ESPN show that had 5-10 minute buildup of a man hiding behind a bush and shot it whilst it was little more than 10 metres away - cue huge celebrations and pride in the hunter.

Not only brutal and sad, but something which required no skill at all. Really pathetic.

[BearcatFFC]

Found this bit from one of our American comedians, Jimmy Kimmel. I think it's pretty comprehensive of the situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LzXpE1mjqA
The fact that this guy has killed other endangered, rare animals (and photographed himself over their dead bodies) just adds to the evidence of the scum he is.  Oh, and he also received 1 year probation for lying about where he killed a grizzly bear, since he happened to kill it on a protected conservation.  Someone created a petition to the White House to have him extradited to Zimbabwe, where his 2 guides are apparently already in custody http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/africa/zimbabwe-cecil-the-lion-killed/index.html)](http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/africa/zimbabwe-cecil-the-lion-killed/index.html)[/url].  The petition needed 100,000 signatures to receive a response from the government, and it already has over 160,000.  I like how Kimmel finished the monologue on this though, by saying what many posters on here have said.  Rather than making it about one event or one man, you can donate to a conservation group (he mentions the Oxford group that had tagged Cecil and was involved in the research).  Other celebs, like Arnold Schwarzenegger, have suggested donating to National Geographic, who are also involved in creating protected reservations for animals.

Having said all that, I'm really looking forward to the Football season starting!  Can't get here soon enough!  Come on you Whites!  049:gif

[The Equalizer]

Culling in over populated areas of Deer or any other species is a form of conservation, the moronic  killing for fun of any animal  let alone endangered species is just down right wrong, when will these idiots learn. fp.gif

And culling of deer is only necessary because of the moronic hunting of their predators in the past. Wolves and bears would've kept their populations down.

[ToodlesMcToot]

Culling in over populated areas of Deer or any other species is a form of conservation, the moronic  killing for fun of any animal  let alone endangered species is just down right wrong, when will these idiots learn. fp.gif

And culling of deer is only necessary because of the moronic hunting of their predators in the past. Wolves and bears would've kept their populations down.

This is absolutely true. I intended to include this important bit of information in some of my earlier postings as a reason for conservation needs. I'd also include loss of habitat due to overpopulation of humans. Extinction is not all down to hunting. Much has been and is caused by "progress".

[nose]

I want to speak to the claim that Palmer is being singled out unfairly for a practice that has been going on for a long time.
it is irrelevant how long a practice has beeing going on
cild abuse went on for years as did slavery, as di wife beating etc etc and they were all wrong, the length of time they went on for is totally irelevant, the reason they happened was because of physical strength.... time did not make time any more correct.

The simple truth is that the paradigm has shifted and we are no longer living in the same world we inhabited even five years ago. Information now spreads like a wildfire across online social circles. The public shaming of Palmer isn't an anomaly that will be soon forgotten; it is a harbinger of things to come. The genie will not be let back in the bottle (unless one of those wicked radiation sun storms actually does occur and sends us all back to the Stone Age). Public awareness of the issue has reached a tipping point overnight. This will happen more and more.

A story from earlier tonight: here in America, the baseball trading window closes in 36 hours. A few hours ago, news of a major trade became public knowledge. In fact, one player was shown crying on the field because he was about to leave the only organization he ever knew and everyone in attendance was aware of the fact. But sure enough, the trade was canceled less than an hour later because one team didn't like the medical report it received. Everyone in baseball is talking about this unprecedented event: a trade was agreed upon, players involved were named and informed, and because of social media, the public knew. Surely this wasn't the first time a trade was scuttled at the last moment, but it was the first time it played out in the public domain. The analysts are asking each other, "Have you ever seen anything like this??" No, but they will again. And again.

palmer is being singled out extremely fairly
it is scandalous to even begin to want to suggest he isn't
the media if it chose to could close down hunting in a week!
well nearly but there is
a) no perceived money in it although I would suggest promoting anti hunting could be far more lucrative
and
b) too many of the hunting murdering mob are running the show, old school tie, big business men and so on

he is defintiel not being singled out and if the story was dropped in the USA well that is another black mark to your media... bu te way ours is just as bad


i also have now heard it said pro hunting money helps conservation by spending in areas to [protect wildlife that would otherwise have died out.... what a lot of of rubbish that is.... if these people were wildlife lovers they wouldn't kill it they would leave it be.       

the issue is simple, hunters kill for sport, for the love of killing an unarmed unprotected entity with no chance of self defence or no choice. that is why it morally wrong and reprehensible.... this guy was a name we can point our anger at and the lion was a name we could identify with and feel sorry for and ashamed one of our kind killed him. it will hopefully mobilise a bit of world support to get hunting stopped once and for all... i hope the wprlds children notice and bring pressure on their neadedatal parents!

Hunters' money does help with conservation of both habitat and wildlife in general.

And if there wasn't a culling of deer by hunters each year in the area where I live, there would be over population and starvation. That is a fact. And, no, natural selection isn't the best solution in this case. For you to suggest such, shows how ignorant you are to the matter.

u never read wat i said
i didnt mention culling or natural selection although i know a vast amount. Do not presume to know anything about me by what i have not said.
Mentioned killing as a sport
culling is only needed because humans are out of control in the way they breed and over farm

Hunting for sport is the issue
culling where essential can be done relatively humanely by professionals

[ToodlesMcToot]

I want to speak to the claim that Palmer is being singled out unfairly for a practice that has been going on for a long time.
it is irrelevant how long a practice has beeing going on
cild abuse went on for years as did slavery, as di wife beating etc etc and they were all wrong, the length of time they went on for is totally irelevant, the reason they happened was because of physical strength.... time did not make time any more correct.

The simple truth is that the paradigm has shifted and we are no longer living in the same world we inhabited even five years ago. Information now spreads like a wildfire across online social circles. The public shaming of Palmer isn't an anomaly that will be soon forgotten; it is a harbinger of things to come. The genie will not be let back in the bottle (unless one of those wicked radiation sun storms actually does occur and sends us all back to the Stone Age). Public awareness of the issue has reached a tipping point overnight. This will happen more and more.

A story from earlier tonight: here in America, the baseball trading window closes in 36 hours. A few hours ago, news of a major trade became public knowledge. In fact, one player was shown crying on the field because he was about to leave the only organization he ever knew and everyone in attendance was aware of the fact. But sure enough, the trade was canceled less than an hour later because one team didn't like the medical report it received. Everyone in baseball is talking about this unprecedented event: a trade was agreed upon, players involved were named and informed, and because of social media, the public knew. Surely this wasn't the first time a trade was scuttled at the last moment, but it was the first time it played out in the public domain. The analysts are asking each other, "Have you ever seen anything like this??" No, but they will again. And again.

palmer is being singled out extremely fairly
it is scandalous to even begin to want to suggest he isn't
the media if it chose to could close down hunting in a week!
well nearly but there is
a) no perceived money in it although I would suggest promoting anti hunting could be far more lucrative
and
b) too many of the hunting murdering mob are running the show, old school tie, big business men and so on

he is defintiel not being singled out and if the story was dropped in the USA well that is another black mark to your media... bu te way ours is just as bad


i also have now heard it said pro hunting money helps conservation by spending in areas to [protect wildlife that would otherwise have died out.... what a lot of of rubbish that is.... if these people were wildlife lovers they wouldn't kill it they would leave it be.       

the issue is simple, hunters kill for sport, for the love of killing an unarmed unprotected entity with no chance of self defence or no choice. that is why it morally wrong and reprehensible.... this guy was a name we can point our anger at and the lion was a name we could identify with and feel sorry for and ashamed one of our kind killed him. it will hopefully mobilise a bit of world support to get hunting stopped once and for all... i hope the wprlds children notice and bring pressure on their neadedatal parents!

Hunters' money does help with conservation of both habitat and wildlife in general.

And if there wasn't a culling of deer by hunters each year in the area where I live, there would be over population and starvation. That is a fact. And, no, natural selection isn't the best solution in this case. For you to suggest such, shows how ignorant you are to the matter.

u never read wat i said
i didnt mention culling or natural selection although i know a vast amount. Do not presume to know anything about me by what i have not said.
Mentioned killing as a sport
culling is only needed because humans are out of control in the way they breed and over farm

Hunting for sport is the issue
culling where essential can be done relatively humanely by professionals

You ask me not to presume things about you, yet just previous to that you've presumed something about me. I did read every word that you said. I also paid close attention to the way that you made the lines (now bolded above, admittedly, as I should have made them when I commented previously) a singular issue. This is what I was responding to.

You are right that culling (in this case deer are a good example) is necessary because of overhunting of top tier predators as well as human "progress" robbing those predators of their habitat needs which has created extinctions or near extinctions.

I am curious what "humane culling by professionals" means. I understand the literal meaning of the words, of course. I would like to understand what it means in practice. And which governments are funding such efforts? Where I have my personal experience, the government has reached out to the hunting community for assistance and made specific changes to the hunting 'limits' as a means of population control. The practice may not jibe with your experience or beliefs but, it is the truth. It did work. And, limited governmental funding was put to better use IMHO.

You also broadly characterized hunting as being driven by the love of killing (in your final paragraph; bolded above). You don't specify trophy hunting. I don't love to kill. If I did, I wouldn't be a football fan. I'd be out burning ants with magnifying glass while I waited for the next hunting season to start. For me, I like the meat of the deer. I like to eat freshwater fish (largemouth bass, trout, and catfish, specifically). And I like to eat quail from time to time. I have friends who like the same kind of eating who I can share the food with as well. I don't have trophy heads on my walls or anything of the sort.

[Logicalman]

I believe there are three distinctions here in regards to the killing of wild animals.

Culling: For whatever reason, is the reduction of an animal population for such a reason (various I know - and don't start with the morality clause on that one).

Hunting for meat. This, I would say from my limited experience over here, is the largest section of the population, well it is up here in Indiana I can tell you. I know many people who hunt for food, they will eat or sell to restaurants game that is killed either by crossbow or gun, and will only kill what they need to.

Trophy Hunting: This is what all this issue is about. Where some dude can afford to bride, er I mean pay, some officials for a licence (or permit) and some professional hunters to track down the prey, so they can more easily kill it, by whatever means they fancy.

I have a total objection to the latter of those, absolutely, and to me, it's just blood-lust and the ability to both show-off how much money you have to spend on the 'hunt' and then display the 'trophy'. Now, if these same miscreants were to hunt down the animal themselves, with whatever nature provided them by way of tools, then I will have less objection perhaps, as I firmly believe a good number of them might just come second in the battle, and good job too.

Everyone has their opinion on hunting, and perhaps the UK and US differ mainly due to the culture of guns and hunting, but we are all good in our own opinions.

btw, nice to see the US Authorities now getting involved, and the Zimbabwean government consider an extradition request (not certain how successful that will be, even with 100K+ signatures ), perhaps it will keep one or two of those that like to partake from going overseas, just mebbe.

[love4ffc]

Still being true to your name as always Logicalman. 

This is one of those hot buttons like politics, religion, or gun control that can divide a room and ruin a good party.  I feel some on here are singling out Toodles because he gave an opinion about the OP and then included in his response as to why he hunts.  When someone feels so strongly about something it's very easy to latch on to something or someone to vent their frustration and anger. 

Several good points have been made on this thread.  Yet everyone does not seem to read the same words to have the same meaning.  Rather the words seem to get twisted to suit ones needs. 

I grew up in rural Montana, USA.  In a family of four hungry growing boys.  We were a family that was not planned but rather happened by chance when two single parents, both with two boys of their own, decided to give a second marriage ago.   Both parents were in the U.S. Air Force and between the two of them made about 45,000 a year in wages.  That's U.S. dollars. 

Being from Montana most people hunted, fished and had a garden.  For my family this was not done out of sport but rather out of a need to supplement and offset the family's monthly food bill.   Something that dramatically helped to stretch our monthly budget. 

Hunting for my family was also spent as quality family time.  The Time spent hunting taught us important things like how to be patient, how to observe and how to appreciate what nature provided in the great outdoors.  Our time hunting was not spent baiting or sitting waiting for something to happen by.  Rather hunting in Montana for my family was different as Montana is large and spread out.  Hunting for us took time as we tended to do a lot of walking, stopping, listening and looking. 

I no longer live in Montana and it has been many a year since I last hunted.  I now live in the large urban sprawl that has eliminated large predators and cannot sustain nor tolerate wild game mucking about.  I miss hunting like I did as a child but my own family has no need to go hunting as the Misses and I make a comfortable living together. 

As I said hunting for my family growing up was about the meat and not the killing.  The killing of the lion was despicable.  I think very few would dispute that.  What the dentist did was horrible and should be punished.  It does not mean though that everyone who hunts should be compared to this man and made to be an inhuman monster.   

I write the above because I feel people seem to forget tolerance and understanding is still needed in this world.  The age old saying until you've walked in my shoes....... 

[Twig]

Like Cecil, the dentist is an easy target. Hunting has gone on forever and some animals are bred especially to be hunted like we breed animals to be eaten.


In this Country Foxes and Badgers will need to be controlled. People will see a way of making money out of it in the same way Wild Game hunting is money orientated. So to stop hunting for sport one of the things we need to do is to stop the opportunity for money to be made.

From hunting for sport to hunting for rhino horn etc for so called medicinal purposes.  The simple fact is we need to stop the money. People will not see it as wrong while there is dosh to be made.

Sorry lighthouse but on this one I have to disagree vehemently with you.  your comment about breeding animals for food is a complete red herring, the post was about killing wild animals for "sport" (a contradiction in terms).  The dentist has made himself a target by being dumb enough not only to take pleasure in killing wild animals but also wanting to parade his crass stupidity.

The issue of foxes and badgers has been much debated (and I am against it) but the fact remains that culling has nothing whatsoever to do with killing magnificent and often endangered wild species (he also killed a rhino and a leopard).

In my book this turkey deserves all the bile directed at him.