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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2017, 10:47:08 PM »
It will also be interesting to see if Slavisa thinks that any young players (Adeniran, Edun, G Williams, etc) deserve more chances with the first team next year.

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2017, 10:50:47 PM »
I'm going to be controversial and say I'd like an upgrade on Aluko. Tricky runner, and creates, but misses too many, and not usually requiring the goalkeeper to move (he misses the target).

I'd happily keep him as a squad player though. On his day unplayable.

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2017, 12:00:50 AM »
I'm going to be controversial and say I'd like an upgrade on Aluko. Tricky runner, and creates, but misses too many, and not usually requiring the goalkeeper to move (he misses the target).

I'd happily keep him as a squad player though. On his day unplayable.

That's what I said in the op. Not controversial at all, he misses too.many chances but is too good to let go of completely. He's a great player to have for the front 3. We probably need 5 or 6 realistically and with Aluko Kebano Ayite and Sess all we need is the two top clinical strikers
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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2017, 08:09:13 AM »
Bettinelli - Good enough at this level and still has the potential to be better. Deserves to start the season as #1.
Fredericks - His place to lose.
NEW CB - Need a physically imposing central defender who's still decent with the ball at his feet. Probably won't come cheap.
Ream - Has won me over with his form the last couple of months. Belongs in the starting eleven if he keeps playing like that.
Malone - His place to lose.
Cairney/Jozabed - Hopefully one of them stays if the other leaves. But if both decide to leave we'll have loads of money to spend on a replacement.
McDonald - His place to lose.
Johansen - His place to lose.
Aluko - His place to lose.
NEW ST - I'm hoping for Kenneth Zohore here, exactly the type of striker we need. Will cost a lot though as he's now proven at this level.
Ayité - His place to lose.

Button - Good enough backup.
Odoi - Great squad player and not far off Fredericks either.
Sigurdsson - Would rather have Kalas here but I can't see us signing both him and a another CB for big money. Sig can still come good.
Madl - Decent enough backup.
Edun - Would be behind Sess and Odoi in the pecking order.
Adeniran - Would be behind the two below in the pecking order.
NEW DM - Need a McDonald clone here. Nir Bitton was rumoured this January and would fit the bill.
Christensen - I hope LVC is involved much more next season. We've really missed someone to rotate with in central midfield.
Kebano - Can replace either Aluko or Ayité at any time.
Woodrow - IMHO good enough to be backup at this level. But if he's deemed not to be, we'll need a another striker. Preferably a more physical one.
Sessegnon - Hopefully he'll be with us next season. But if he doesn't sign or if we get an offer we can't refuse, Piazon would be a good replacement.

So it's three main targets: a big and strong central defender, a defensive minded central midfielder and a striker with pace and power. Then it's a case of replacing/upgrading on players that are under contract and we'll receive a transfer fee for.
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2017, 08:22:48 AM »
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

Or like Kodjia who's been brilliant for them. There's always an element of risk with any transfer, but this season Zohore has proven that he can be a force in this league.

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2017, 08:43:37 AM »
I'm going to be controversial and say I'd like an upgrade on Aluko. Tricky runner, and creates, but misses too many, and not usually requiring the goalkeeper to move (he misses the target).

I'd happily keep him as a squad player though. On his day unplayable.

That's what I said in the op. Not controversial at all, he misses too.many chances but is too good to let go of completely. He's a great player to have for the front 3. We probably need 5 or 6 realistically and with Aluko Kebano Ayite and Sess all we need is the two top clinical strikers

But they do not need to be two TOP clinical strikers before they arrive here do they?  It's while the players are here that their performances matter and our coaching staff have proven that given the right material they can cut their cloth.   If we can shop wisely then we do not need to pay (and risk) big money on a no show martinesque type when an abrahamesque type may deliver better and with greater regard for the team and Club.  As you and Statto have already said Fulham must keep their books in good order or else we will be asking for trouble in the future. 


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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2017, 08:48:32 AM »
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

Or like Kodjia who's been brilliant for them. There's always an element of risk with any transfer, but this season Zohore has proven that he can be a force in this league.

Agree with AlexW132. Cannot believe so many people rate Zohore after only half a good season. The best season of his career and still only 12 goals, 1 more than Chris M****n. Kodjia was much more prolific the year before Villa signed him and had been prolific in the french top flight prior to that as well.

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2017, 08:54:29 AM »
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

Or like Kodjia who's been brilliant for them. There's always an element of risk with any transfer, but this season Zohore has proven that he can be a force in this league.

Agree with AlexW132. Cannot believe so many people rate Zohore after only half a good season. The best season of his career and still only 12 goals, 1 more than Chris M****n. Kodjia was much more prolific the year before Villa signed him and had been prolific in the french top flight prior to that as well.
While I agree with you re Zhore, I am not sure that Zhore was prolific in france top flight, think he played in Ligue 2 and was loaned out to some B teams during that as well. Think he scored 30 odd in 100 odd games in Ligues 2 and below though.

Having said all of that he is a proven goalscorer in the championship over two seasons so in that contect he is far more proven than Zohore. His had an average record in scandanavia with 17 goals in 70 odd games
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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2017, 09:05:29 AM »
I'm going to be controversial and say I'd like an upgrade on Aluko. Tricky runner, and creates, but misses too many, and not usually requiring the goalkeeper to move (he misses the target).

I'd happily keep him as a squad player though. On his day unplayable.

That's what I said in the op. Not controversial at all, he misses too.many chances but is too good to let go of completely. He's a great player to have for the front 3. We probably need 5 or 6 realistically and with Aluko Kebano Ayite and Sess all we need is the two top clinical strikers

But they do not need to be two TOP clinical strikers before they arrive here do they?  It's while the players are here that their performances matter and our coaching staff have proven that given the right material they can cut their cloth.   If we can shop wisely then we do not need to pay (and risk) big money on a no show martinesque type when an abrahamesque type may deliver better and with greater regard for the team and Club.  As you and Statto have already said Fulham must keep their books in good order or else we will be asking for trouble in the future. 

Don't read too much into the top bit. I'm not saying I expect to sign two strikers that are going to cost a total of 20million. I just feel the attribute, stats and potential we need to be focusing on most when considering strikers is their ability to score.

I'd be happy with Tammy Abraham on loan and Gary Hooper for 5/6 million.
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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2017, 09:33:27 AM »
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

Or like Kodjia who's been brilliant for them. There's always an element of risk with any transfer, but this season Zohore has proven that he can be a force in this league.

Agree with AlexW132. Cannot believe so many people rate Zohore after only half a good season. The best season of his career and still only 12 goals, 1 more than Chris M****n. Kodjia was much more prolific the year before Villa signed him and had been prolific in the french top flight prior to that as well.

Kodjia 15/16: 45 appearances, 18 goals, 3 assists. Minutes per goal: 195. Minutes per point: 167.
Zohore 16/17: 29 appearances, 12 goals, 5 assists. Minutes per goal: 187. Minutes per point: 132.

And Kodjia was prolific in Ligue 2 before his move to Bristol City, not Ligue 1.

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2017, 09:49:11 AM »
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

Or like Kodjia who's been brilliant for them. There's always an element of risk with any transfer, but this season Zohore has proven that he can be a force in this league.

Agree with AlexW132. Cannot believe so many people rate Zohore after only half a good season. The best season of his career and still only 12 goals, 1 more than Chris M****n. Kodjia was much more prolific the year before Villa signed him and had been prolific in the french top flight prior to that as well.

Kodjia 15/16: 45 appearances, 18 goals, 3 assists. Minutes per goal: 195. Minutes per point: 167.
Zohore 16/17: 29 appearances, 12 goals, 5 assists. Minutes per goal: 187. Minutes per point: 132.

And Kodjia was prolific in Ligue 2 before his move to Bristol City, not Ligue 1.
ALso you should put Kodijas 2016/17 record up as over 2 years that shows consistency and being proven. one season or one half season doesnt really. Look at rashford Prolific last half of last season, not been too good this season, playing a different system and different roles.
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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2017, 09:57:38 AM »
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

Or like Kodjia who's been brilliant for them. There's always an element of risk with any transfer, but this season Zohore has proven that he can be a force in this league.

Agree with AlexW132. Cannot believe so many people rate Zohore after only half a good season. The best season of his career and still only 12 goals, 1 more than Chris M****n. Kodjia was much more prolific the year before Villa signed him and had been prolific in the french top flight prior to that as well.

Kodjia 15/16: 45 appearances, 18 goals, 3 assists. Minutes per goal: 195. Minutes per point: 167.
Zohore 16/17: 29 appearances, 12 goals, 5 assists. Minutes per goal: 187. Minutes per point: 132.

And Kodjia was prolific in Ligue 2 before his move to Bristol City, not Ligue 1.
I'd call Kodjia proven given the fact he's been prolific for most of his career, whereas Zohore barely scored any goals for his clubs before Cardiff.


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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2017, 09:58:57 AM »
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

Or like Kodjia who's been brilliant for them. There's always an element of risk with any transfer, but this season Zohore has proven that he can be a force in this league.

Agree with AlexW132. Cannot believe so many people rate Zohore after only half a good season. The best season of his career and still only 12 goals, 1 more than Chris M****n. Kodjia was much more prolific the year before Villa signed him and had been prolific in the french top flight prior to that as well.

Kodjia 15/16: 45 appearances, 18 goals, 3 assists. Minutes per goal: 195. Minutes per point: 167.
Zohore 16/17: 29 appearances, 12 goals, 5 assists. Minutes per goal: 187. Minutes per point: 132.

And Kodjia was prolific in Ligue 2 before his move to Bristol City, not Ligue 1.
ALso you should put Kodijas 2016/17 record up as over 2 years that shows consistency and being proven. one season or one half season doesnt really. Look at rashford Prolific last half of last season, not been too good this season, playing a different system and different roles.

I don't disagree with the fact that Kodjia is more proven NOW. But the argument made above was that Kodjia's first season in the Championship 'was much more prolific' than Zohore's.

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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2017, 10:05:20 AM »
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

Or like Kodjia who's been brilliant for them. There's always an element of risk with any transfer, but this season Zohore has proven that he can be a force in this league.

Agree with AlexW132. Cannot believe so many people rate Zohore after only half a good season. The best season of his career and still only 12 goals, 1 more than Chris M****n. Kodjia was much more prolific the year before Villa signed him and had been prolific in the french top flight prior to that as well.

Kodjia 15/16: 45 appearances, 18 goals, 3 assists. Minutes per goal: 195. Minutes per point: 167.
Zohore 16/17: 29 appearances, 12 goals, 5 assists. Minutes per goal: 187. Minutes per point: 132.

And Kodjia was prolific in Ligue 2 before his move to Bristol City, not Ligue 1.
I'd call Kodjia proven given the fact he's been prolific for most of his career, whereas Zohore barely scored any goals for his clubs before Cardiff.

Kodjia only really had one great season before he came to England, and that was the season before he joined Bristol. Other than that, his and Zohore's goal scoring records aren't too different. Plus the fact, of course, that Zohore is 5 years younger and is only now starting to reach the potential Fiorentina saw in him back in 2012.

But once again, I'm not saying that today's Kodjia isn't a more proven goal scorer than Zohore.

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2017, 10:06:42 AM »
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

Or like Kodjia who's been brilliant for them. There's always an element of risk with any transfer, but this season Zohore has proven that he can be a force in this league.

Agree with AlexW132. Cannot believe so many people rate Zohore after only half a good season. The best season of his career and still only 12 goals, 1 more than Chris M****n. Kodjia was much more prolific the year before Villa signed him and had been prolific in the french top flight prior to that as well.

Kodjia 15/16: 45 appearances, 18 goals, 3 assists. Minutes per goal: 195. Minutes per point: 167.
Zohore 16/17: 29 appearances, 12 goals, 5 assists. Minutes per goal: 187. Minutes per point: 132.

And Kodjia was prolific in Ligue 2 before his move to Bristol City, not Ligue 1.
ALso you should put Kodijas 2016/17 record up as over 2 years that shows consistency and being proven. one season or one half season doesnt really. Look at rashford Prolific last half of last season, not been too good this season, playing a different system and different roles.

I don't disagree with the fact that Kodjia is more proven NOW. But the argument made above was that Kodjia's first season in the Championship 'was much more prolific' than Zohore's.
But he was also more prolific before coming to england. it all has ot be taken into account. I am on record as saying one seaosn for Kodija at City didnt make him prolific but he did it this season and before city so he proved me wrong. Zohore wasnt prolific before these 29 games this season, he ha sbeen great so far but it is the second season that proves it. As I say look at Rashford
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