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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2017, 09:49:11 AM »
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

Or like Kodjia who's been brilliant for them. There's always an element of risk with any transfer, but this season Zohore has proven that he can be a force in this league.

Agree with AlexW132. Cannot believe so many people rate Zohore after only half a good season. The best season of his career and still only 12 goals, 1 more than Chris M****n. Kodjia was much more prolific the year before Villa signed him and had been prolific in the french top flight prior to that as well.

Kodjia 15/16: 45 appearances, 18 goals, 3 assists. Minutes per goal: 195. Minutes per point: 167.
Zohore 16/17: 29 appearances, 12 goals, 5 assists. Minutes per goal: 187. Minutes per point: 132.

And Kodjia was prolific in Ligue 2 before his move to Bristol City, not Ligue 1.
ALso you should put Kodijas 2016/17 record up as over 2 years that shows consistency and being proven. one season or one half season doesnt really. Look at rashford Prolific last half of last season, not been too good this season, playing a different system and different roles.

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2017, 09:57:38 AM »
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

Or like Kodjia who's been brilliant for them. There's always an element of risk with any transfer, but this season Zohore has proven that he can be a force in this league.

Agree with AlexW132. Cannot believe so many people rate Zohore after only half a good season. The best season of his career and still only 12 goals, 1 more than Chris M****n. Kodjia was much more prolific the year before Villa signed him and had been prolific in the french top flight prior to that as well.

Kodjia 15/16: 45 appearances, 18 goals, 3 assists. Minutes per goal: 195. Minutes per point: 167.
Zohore 16/17: 29 appearances, 12 goals, 5 assists. Minutes per goal: 187. Minutes per point: 132.

And Kodjia was prolific in Ligue 2 before his move to Bristol City, not Ligue 1.
I'd call Kodjia proven given the fact he's been prolific for most of his career, whereas Zohore barely scored any goals for his clubs before Cardiff.

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2017, 09:58:57 AM »
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

Or like Kodjia who's been brilliant for them. There's always an element of risk with any transfer, but this season Zohore has proven that he can be a force in this league.

Agree with AlexW132. Cannot believe so many people rate Zohore after only half a good season. The best season of his career and still only 12 goals, 1 more than Chris M****n. Kodjia was much more prolific the year before Villa signed him and had been prolific in the french top flight prior to that as well.

Kodjia 15/16: 45 appearances, 18 goals, 3 assists. Minutes per goal: 195. Minutes per point: 167.
Zohore 16/17: 29 appearances, 12 goals, 5 assists. Minutes per goal: 187. Minutes per point: 132.

And Kodjia was prolific in Ligue 2 before his move to Bristol City, not Ligue 1.
ALso you should put Kodijas 2016/17 record up as over 2 years that shows consistency and being proven. one season or one half season doesnt really. Look at rashford Prolific last half of last season, not been too good this season, playing a different system and different roles.

I don't disagree with the fact that Kodjia is more proven NOW. But the argument made above was that Kodjia's first season in the Championship 'was much more prolific' than Zohore's.


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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2017, 10:05:20 AM »
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

Or like Kodjia who's been brilliant for them. There's always an element of risk with any transfer, but this season Zohore has proven that he can be a force in this league.

Agree with AlexW132. Cannot believe so many people rate Zohore after only half a good season. The best season of his career and still only 12 goals, 1 more than Chris M****n. Kodjia was much more prolific the year before Villa signed him and had been prolific in the french top flight prior to that as well.

Kodjia 15/16: 45 appearances, 18 goals, 3 assists. Minutes per goal: 195. Minutes per point: 167.
Zohore 16/17: 29 appearances, 12 goals, 5 assists. Minutes per goal: 187. Minutes per point: 132.

And Kodjia was prolific in Ligue 2 before his move to Bristol City, not Ligue 1.
I'd call Kodjia proven given the fact he's been prolific for most of his career, whereas Zohore barely scored any goals for his clubs before Cardiff.

Kodjia only really had one great season before he came to England, and that was the season before he joined Bristol. Other than that, his and Zohore's goal scoring records aren't too different. Plus the fact, of course, that Zohore is 5 years younger and is only now starting to reach the potential Fiorentina saw in him back in 2012.

But once again, I'm not saying that today's Kodjia isn't a more proven goal scorer than Zohore.

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2017, 10:06:42 AM »
I wouldn't call Zohore 'proven'. He's had half a good Championship season. It's like with Hogan, Villa thought they were getting a 'proven' player but actually he's been a big flop for them.

Or like Kodjia who's been brilliant for them. There's always an element of risk with any transfer, but this season Zohore has proven that he can be a force in this league.

Agree with AlexW132. Cannot believe so many people rate Zohore after only half a good season. The best season of his career and still only 12 goals, 1 more than Chris M****n. Kodjia was much more prolific the year before Villa signed him and had been prolific in the french top flight prior to that as well.

Kodjia 15/16: 45 appearances, 18 goals, 3 assists. Minutes per goal: 195. Minutes per point: 167.
Zohore 16/17: 29 appearances, 12 goals, 5 assists. Minutes per goal: 187. Minutes per point: 132.

And Kodjia was prolific in Ligue 2 before his move to Bristol City, not Ligue 1.
ALso you should put Kodijas 2016/17 record up as over 2 years that shows consistency and being proven. one season or one half season doesnt really. Look at rashford Prolific last half of last season, not been too good this season, playing a different system and different roles.

I don't disagree with the fact that Kodjia is more proven NOW. But the argument made above was that Kodjia's first season in the Championship 'was much more prolific' than Zohore's.
But he was also more prolific before coming to england. it all has ot be taken into account. I am on record as saying one seaosn for Kodija at City didnt make him prolific but he did it this season and before city so he proved me wrong. Zohore wasnt prolific before these 29 games this season, he ha sbeen great so far but it is the second season that proves it. As I say look at Rashford

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2017, 10:15:21 AM »

Don't read too much into the top bit. I'm not saying I expect to sign two strikers that are going to cost a total of 20million. I just feel the attribute, stats and potential we need to be focusing on most when considering strikers is their ability to score.

I'd be happy with Tammy Abraham on loan and Gary Hooper for 5/6 million.

Fancy giving up driving the bus, danny?


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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2017, 06:40:52 PM »
Aluko is a problem.  He's quick, skilful and is very hard to man mark.  On the other hand his shooting is woeful, his distribution variable at best and his heading non existent.  If the team is going to play without a recognised striker then to have one of the front men who rarely scores is a liability.  He came from Hull on a free.  That sums up how Fulham have slipped since Hamburg.

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2017, 06:48:06 PM »
My mistake re Kodjia but even if it was the French lower leagues, at least he was scoring somewhere. Zohore's record is terrible.

Also think it's misleading to look at Zohore's goals/game ratio this season. My understanding is the reason he hasn't played a full 46 games is just that he was too cr@p to get Cardiff's team before Christmas. So for me the material thing is just the goals scored number which is poor.

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As for Aluko, great player with the ball at his feet but I cannot understand for the life of me why he ever shoots unless it's the most simple tap in. Surely Joka and the rest of the team have told him not to bother. I would genuinely back Ream or Button to put away more chances than Aluko.

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2017, 06:57:04 PM »
Get Steve Mounie in and Tammy Abraham on loan


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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2017, 07:03:36 PM »
Get Steve Mounie in and Tammy Abraham on loan

That would be great business in my opinion, and not too expensive.

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2017, 07:21:05 PM »
Hows about Enrich again. 3rd time lucky?

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Re: How I see the squad shaping up next season
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2017, 07:22:13 PM »

Don't read too much into the top bit. I'm not saying I expect to sign two strikers that are going to cost a total of 20million. I just feel the attribute, stats and potential we need to be focusing on most when considering strikers is their ability to score.

I'd be happy with Tammy Abraham on loan and Gary Hooper for 5/6 million.

Fancy giving up driving the bus, danny?

Got a mortgage matey. What are you suggesting I do for a living lol?