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Offline Peabody

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Is it not time
« on: July 16, 2017, 09:07:25 AM »
That our master team builder, went public and explained just how he operates. The only person we haven't heard from is Mr Kline.

Surely, we as supporters/customers deserve to hear from the man who is causing so much controversy in our club, should be interviewed and explain to us what he does and how his system is superior to any other system.

Offline Andy S

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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2017, 09:29:03 AM »
Come on Peabody he is above all that and anyway he doesn't have the time as he is busy number crunching

Offline Mince n Tatties

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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2017, 09:35:40 AM »
Don't be too hard on him,he is really busy at the moment feeding his stats into his machine of the the player he has discovered out in Outer Mongolia who has scored 6 goals in 2 years,but is being touted as a great prospect by his 8 followers on Twitty and You Tube...Coyw.


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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2017, 09:38:13 AM »
Ain't it great being a Fulham fan... 049:gif  049:gif  049:gif

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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2017, 09:46:40 AM »
Ain't it great being a Fulham fan... 049:gif  049:gif  049:gif
Never a dull moment this time of the year.
A committe to decide players coming in ridiculas!

Offline SouthfieldWhite

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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2017, 09:56:59 AM »


Great idea, if it is a unique way of finding decent players at a decent price, let's tell the whole league.
I seem to remember it worked pretty well last season when we brought in players like Johansen, Alouku and McDonald etc and went from a near relegation team to a team that got in the play offs playing the best football in the league.

By all means criticise but the window is still open for another 6 weeks yet.


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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2017, 10:03:56 AM »


Great idea, if it is a unique way of finding decent players at a decent price, let's tell the whole league.
I seem to remember it worked pretty well last season when we brought in players like Johansen, Alouku and McDonald etc and went from a near relegation team to a team that got in the play offs playing the best football in the league.

By all means criticise but the window is still open for another 6 weeks yet.

I think every team in the country knew who Johansen, Mac and Aluko are....Had you ever heard of Jozabed,Pestos,Cyriac....I hadn't.

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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2017, 10:16:01 AM »


Great idea, if it is a unique way of finding decent players at a decent price, let's tell the whole league.
I seem to remember it worked pretty well last season when we brought in players like Johansen, Alouku and McDonald etc and went from a near relegation team to a team that got in the play offs playing the best football in the league.

By all means criticise but the window is still open for another 6 weeks yet.

I think every team in the country knew who Johansen, Mac and Aluko are....Had you ever heard of Jozabed,Pestos,Cyriac....I hadn't.

Why didn't every team try to sign Johansen, Alouku and McDonald though.
The fact is we did and all 3 helped us get into a play off position in their first season and in a season we had near on a whole new team.

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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2017, 10:42:49 AM »
Stats Boy operates under a cloak of secrecy , he feels his programme is superior to all others and just wouldn't risk an interview for fear of letting something slip.
Word is that he operates not from Motspur Park but from one of those tiny wooden huts at Bletchly Park used by the wartime codebreakers.


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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2017, 11:12:49 AM »
There are 3 reasons I believe Kline has a highly unlikeable personality type:

1. Apparently Symons didn't like him

2. We know Jokanovic doesn't like him

3. The club's communications team have chosen to keep him totally hidden from fans, presumably because they think we won't like him either

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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2017, 11:22:04 AM »
Wahey nothing like a scapegoat.

Can anyone explain to me exactly the level of influence he has? And I don't mean regurgitated news stories from a year ago.

If indeed you can prove to me that he does single handedly decide all the transfers then I'll have a reason to demand the club tell us about him.

Until then he's a backroom member of staff, who is part of the team working on transfers so I'll leave it that way.

Any time a transfer goes wrong or looks like it's going wrong it's Kline's fault. And the only reason I can see is that people are uncomfortable with stats being an important part of modern football.

I should add I wrote to Khan's man following slav's outburst last season so I'm not an 'apologist'.
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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2017, 12:01:18 PM »
Wahey nothing like a scapegoat.

Can anyone explain to me exactly the level of influence he has? And I don't mean regurgitated news stories from a year ago.

If indeed you can prove to me that he does single handedly decide all the transfers then I'll have a reason to demand the club tell us about him.

Until then he's a backroom member of staff, who is part of the team working on transfers so I'll leave it that way.

Any time a transfer goes wrong or looks like it's going wrong it's Kline's fault. And the only reason I can see is that people are uncomfortable with stats being an important part of modern football.

I should add I wrote to Khan's man following slav's outburst last season so I'm not an 'apologist'.

The club has confirmed publicly how the two-ticks model works through press releases and the FST.

So Kline, along with the traditional scouts, is one of the two sources of transfer proposals, and then he has the power of veto over those proposals coming from the scouts


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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2017, 12:02:28 PM »
So by not ticking the box the scouts also have power of veto over his preferred targets, right?

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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2017, 12:04:29 PM »
So by not ticking the box the scouts also have power of veto over his preferred targets, right?

yes agreed that's the way it's been described

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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2017, 12:08:59 PM »
Thanks. I hadn't realised there had been anything official by the club.

But knowing the scouts have a veto tells me it's not quite the dictatorship that some are screaming about.


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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2017, 12:17:51 PM »
OK, I stand accused of scapegoating and I plead guilty. True he is responsible for some good signings but the three he brought in to improve of scoring whilst very enjoyable to watch, were hardly prolific in finding the back of the net, don't get me wrong, I am glad we have them but their goal scoring needs to improve. I am hoping and praying that we do sign someone who will prove a far better striking option than previous signings.

OK, what I am asking for could let the cat out of the bag concerning Fulhams plans but I think most professionals are aware of how the stats system works, all I want is for Mr Kline to prove to me a football fan as to why his system is beneficial to my Football team.

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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2017, 12:26:36 PM »
No it's not a dictatorship or one man show, but it is a very influential position

Tony Khan's profile on the offal confirms the structure whereby Talbot (scouting) and Kline (stats) are the 2 people sitting under Tony. He might elaborate in the video he did for the offal. In any case a lot more detail was given to the FST earlier this year and you can get the minutes on their website.

of course the whole thing was broken a year earlier by the Telegraph/Sam Wallace who's story appears to have been pretty much bang on

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/fulham/12131412/Forget-Moneyball-Fulham-are-taking-Football-Manager-approach-in-hope-of-returning-to-big-time.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/fulham/12141179/Fulham-data-analyst-Craig-Kline-sent-back-to-the-USA.html



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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2017, 12:41:39 PM »

Unbelievable , don't know where some are getting their info from.

There's no hidden agendas, Slav gets on well with CK
DONT BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ.

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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2017, 01:02:19 PM »

Unbelievable , don't know where some are getting their info from.

There's no hidden agendas, Slav gets on well with CK
DONT BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ.


The source of Slav not liking Kline is Slav. He came out publicly about it last August. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe the more recent rubbish in the mirror and accept They've probably learned their respective limits now, but clearly that underlying tension will always be there

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Re: Is it not time
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2017, 07:46:48 AM »

Unbelievable , don't know where some are getting their info from.

There's no hidden agendas, Slav gets on well with CK
DONT BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ.


The source of Slav not liking Kline is Slav. He came out publicly about it last August. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe the more recent rubbish in the mirror and accept They've probably learned their respective limits now, but clearly that underlying tension will always be there
Will agree with that 100%
Think it will only work so long however.