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Offline Andy S

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2017, 08:58:52 PM »
I cannot see what there is to appeal about by the rules of the game in that situation you are taking a walk. You don't need an early bath as you haven't had time to raise a sweat. Very silly and probably cost us two points

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2017, 09:02:59 PM »
I think I dislike Reading under Stam with his bully tactics more than CFC Brentford and QPR put together

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2017, 09:14:03 PM »
I cannot see what there is to appeal about by the rules of the game in that situation you are taking a walk. You don't need an early bath as you haven't had time to raise a sweat. Very silly and probably cost us two points
I don't think the appeal will win personally, but I do not think it was a red card, there was a covering defender, but hey ho we got a point which is more than I thought we would get after 60 seconds


Offline jarv

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2017, 09:23:37 PM »
I have not seen it yet. Harsh it may be but if it meets the definition then an extra game ban will be added.

ps...I hate Reading too. Soooo pleased they lost to Huddersfield. I was in a pub in Winchester, most supporting Reading. Thoroughly enjoyed seeing those bully boy cheats losing.

Offline Robbie

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2017, 09:26:29 PM »
I was sitting right in front of the incident. Sadly I think it was 70% a red card. What you can't see on the highlights due to the camera angle is that Kalas definitely puts an arm out and catches the Reading attacker. The initial reaction around me was disbelief that he did something so stupid.

Today was a top performance (COYWs) but I think Kalas should not have put his arm out... he was duped.

Sorry.

Offline One Martin Thomas

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2017, 09:38:16 PM »
Honestly? It's not as harsh as I had expected it to be.

I mean, the player is through on goal with a clear shot if he's not fouled. The early in the game sense might have come into play, but I doubt that'll be overturned.

I don't think they'll overturn that. Really not convinced it's worth appeal.


Offline Finnegans Wake

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2017, 10:26:11 PM »
Forgive me if I'm wrong (which I maybe, I've only viewed the highlights on my phone) but doesn't the other Reading player immediately pounce onto the loose ball in the box?

The red card is given for "denying a clear goal scoring opportunity". If the ref plays advantage Reading still get their shot on goal away in exactly the same place as they would of anyway so therefore the goal scoring opportunity wasn't denied.


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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2017, 10:37:20 PM »
Forgive me if I'm wrong (which I maybe, I've only viewed the highlights on my phone) but doesn't the other Reading player immediately pounce onto the loose ball in the box?

The red card is given for "denying a clear goal scoring opportunity". If the ref plays advantage Reading still get their shot on goal away in exactly the same place as they would of anyway so therefore the goal scoring opportunity wasn't denied.



I think you may have just proven the case for the prosecution. If the other Reading player stays on his feet, then they have 2 players clean through, against an out of position Ream. They would almost certainly have scored.

Anyway, great result in the end.

Offline Finnegans Wake

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2017, 10:51:39 PM »
Forgive me if I'm wrong (which I maybe, I've only viewed the highlights on my phone) but doesn't the other Reading player immediately pounce onto the loose ball in the box?

The red card is given for "denying a clear goal scoring opportunity". If the ref plays advantage Reading still get their shot on goal away in exactly the same place as they would of anyway so therefore the goal scoring opportunity wasn't denied.



I think you may have just proven the case for the prosecution. If the other Reading player stays on his feet, then they have 2 players clean through, against an out of position Ream. They would almost certainly have scored.

Anyway, great result in the end.

But the rules don't take the quality of the chance into account (I think). A goal scoring opportunity still remains.

I suppose it could be argued that the act of denying a goal scoring opportunity is a red card irrelevant of what happens after but then they changed to rules last season or the season before. Now if you are the last man in the penalty area, you bring someone down and a penalty is given then you don't receive a red card on the basis that the goal scoring opportunity still remains.


Offline Statto

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2017, 11:52:01 PM »

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2017, 01:32:55 AM »
nice of Modou Barrow to celebrate Kalas' red card, classless fool

Offline The Rock

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2017, 01:40:57 AM »
I just watched this 20 times.

Free kick to Reading, that's it.

It's fixed - we need to grease the refs like the other teams I reckon. No I am not joking.


Offline The Rock

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2017, 01:45:47 AM »
Still can't believe it after 10 more times of watching it.  :wow:

I wonder what will happen to the ref? Fast pay makes fast friends?

Offline Arthur

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2017, 01:52:11 AM »


An interesting picture.

To me, it confirms that the Reading player could have taken the ball at least a further 7-or-8 yards directly towards the goal without Ream being able to get across to challenge him. In which case, I fail to see how Kalas's foul has not denied a goalscoring opportunity. (Playing an advantage would not have given the other Reading player the same chance: he was moving in the direction of the penalty spot and not towards the ball.)

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2017, 02:28:39 AM »


An interesting picture.

To me, it confirms that the Reading player could have taken the ball at least a further 7-or-8 yards directly towards the goal without Ream being able to get across to challenge him. In which case, I fail to see how Kalas's foul has not denied a goalscoring opportunity. (Playing an advantage would not have given the other Reading player the same chance: he was moving in the direction of the penalty spot and not towards the ball.)

So you are saying that another player could have intervened? Sounds like any other free kick outside the box then, not a clear one on one with the goalie. Last time I checked just about every foul right outside of the box was to prevent a clear goal scoring opportunity.


Offline therealjaybee

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2017, 03:50:59 AM »
Definitely a  063.gif

Can understand how it was given as a  096.gig

Have to admit though, I think in the early stages of a game refs are usually FAR more lenient which is why this was surprise.

One thing to also bear in mind is that they've reinstated the law where giving away a penalty is most likely a red card now whereas last year it would only be a yellow unless it was a dangerous tackle. That could have been playing on the refs mind a bit?

Offline Denver Fulham

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2017, 04:28:56 AM »
It was pretty clearly a red card/DOGSO infraction. It sucks, but it's the same call in the 1st minute as the 89th. We got a good point.

Offline AnEssexFan

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2017, 07:38:42 AM »
From where we were sitting it looked a red to me. The ref had a poor game but at the time I felt I couldn't complain about the red card. Not seen a replay yet.

Offline One Martin Thomas

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2017, 08:02:15 AM »


An interesting picture.

To me, it confirms that the Reading player could have taken the ball at least a further 7-or-8 yards directly towards the goal without Ream being able to get across to challenge him. In which case, I fail to see how Kalas's foul has not denied a goalscoring opportunity. (Playing an advantage would not have given the other Reading player the same chance: he was moving in the direction of the penalty spot and not towards the ball.)

Need a wider shot of this foto. Another Fulham player is closer to the goal than the one you see here.

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Re: Never a Red Card
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2017, 08:15:08 AM »
I was sitting right in front of the incident. Sadly I think it was 70% a red card. What you can't see on the highlights due to the camera angle is that Kalas definitely puts an arm out and catches the Reading attacker. The initial reaction around me was disbelief that he did something so stupid.

Today was a top performance (COYWs) but I think Kalas should not have put his arm out... he was duped.

Sorry.
Watching the rep,as it is quite clear what he did for me, I just think there is doubt as ream was closer to the goal and coming across. Having said that I do not think we would win any appeal as it has to be Chrystal clear to win those and thus isn't.

Don't think an additional game will be  added unless they believe we are trying to delay when the suspension starts, if they think we are then they will class it as frivolous and add an extra game to the 3 he will surely get