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Re: Kait
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2017, 02:15:39 PM »
How much first team action would constitute a rise in price tag?

We have seen a lot of youngsters leave in recent years, some have plied their trade in the first team whilst others have had a handful of minutes... how much game time would these players need to get to see either them grow significantly in stature or see their value increase and by how much?

Pat Roberts realistically was in and around the first team quite a bit but didn't actually play too many games yet we offloaded him for circa  12 million if rumours are to be believed.. dembele whilst we didn't get anything for him had an entire season and a bit and could have been sold for 20 perhaps 30 million had we got him signed to a new contract... those two obviously had quite a bit of press and exposure, but if a young players played a handful of times semi competently for our first team, what'd that do for their price?

Your point on Dembele was one of the reasons that Rigg was fired. Dembele wanted a pay rise to circa £60k per week. This could have been facilitated followed by a big sale in the summer. Rigg refused to do this and of course Dembele walked on a nominal fee.

Now people will see 60k per week for Dembele would have been foolish but to me if we'd have agreed knowing we'd flog him for 20m+ then the maths suggest this is an obvious deal and Rigg messed by not doing it. Imagine what we could have done in the transfer window with the McCormack money and Dembele money. It's not outside the realms of possibility we'd be a Premier League club.

 Trouble is that everyone else would want £60k a week as minimum with senior/older players demanding more.

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Re: Kait
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2017, 02:21:57 PM »
How much first team action would constitute a rise in price tag?

We have seen a lot of youngsters leave in recent years, some have plied their trade in the first team whilst others have had a handful of minutes... how much game time would these players need to get to see either them grow significantly in stature or see their value increase and by how much?

Pat Roberts realistically was in and around the first team quite a bit but didn't actually play too many games yet we offloaded him for circa  12 million if rumours are to be believed.. dembele whilst we didn't get anything for him had an entire season and a bit and could have been sold for 20 perhaps 30 million had we got him signed to a new contract... those two obviously had quite a bit of press and exposure, but if a young players played a handful of times semi competently for our first team, what'd that do for their price?

Your point on Dembele was one of the reasons that Rigg was fired. Dembele wanted a pay rise to circa £60k per week. This could have been facilitated followed by a big sale in the summer. Rigg refused to do this and of course Dembele walked on a nominal fee.

Now people will see 60k per week for Dembele would have been foolish but to me if we'd have agreed knowing we'd flog him for 20m+ then the maths suggest this is an obvious deal and Rigg messed by not doing it. Imagine what we could have done in the transfer window with the McCormack money and Dembele money. It's not outside the realms of possibility we'd be a Premier League club.

 Trouble is that everyone else would want £60k a week as minimum with senior/older players demanding more. Player values for non first teamers...can be useful cash, I think we got c. £700k for Trotta (although that value was enhanced probably as he had a fair bit of first team experience, including goals, in loan spells).

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Re: Kait
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2017, 07:01:16 PM »
How much first team action would constitute a rise in price tag?

We have seen a lot of youngsters leave in recent years, some have plied their trade in the first team whilst others have had a handful of minutes... how much game time would these players need to get to see either them grow significantly in stature or see their value increase and by how much?

Pat Roberts realistically was in and around the first team quite a bit but didn't actually play too many games yet we offloaded him for circa  12 million if rumours are to be believed.. dembele whilst we didn't get anything for him had an entire season and a bit and could have been sold for 20 perhaps 30 million had we got him signed to a new contract... those two obviously had quite a bit of press and exposure, but if a young players played a handful of times semi competently for our first team, what'd that do for their price?

Your point on Dembele was one of the reasons that Rigg was fired. Dembele wanted a pay rise to circa £60k per week. This could have been facilitated followed by a big sale in the summer. Rigg refused to do this and of course Dembele walked on a nominal fee.

Now people will see 60k per week for Dembele would have been foolish but to me if we'd have agreed knowing we'd flog him for 20m+ then the maths suggest this is an obvious deal and Rigg messed by not doing it. Imagine what we could have done in the transfer window with the McCormack money and Dembele money. It's not outside the realms of possibility we'd be a Premier League club.
Hard to believe that Rigg was incapable of such simple Simple Arithmetic.


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Re: Kait
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2017, 08:49:55 PM »

He has been the 19th squad player in the last 2-3 championship games (apparently you can sign up 18 players to the list - 19th is the backup guy if anything happens to someone).

He said he hasnt spoken to jokanovic personally at all but feels his moment in first team is just about to happen.

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Re: Kait
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2017, 09:37:33 PM »
Whilst power and strength aren't everything, I met Dembele about 18 months ago and he was about as wet as a flannel

I thought at the time he would be squashed by the likes of John Terry
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Re: Kait
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2017, 06:32:56 PM »
How much first team action would constitute a rise in price tag?

We have seen a lot of youngsters leave in recent years, some have plied their trade in the first team whilst others have had a handful of minutes... how much game time would these players need to get to see either them grow significantly in stature or see their value increase and by how much?

Pat Roberts realistically was in and around the first team quite a bit but didn't actually play too many games yet we offloaded him for circa  12 million if rumours are to be believed.. dembele whilst we didn't get anything for him had an entire season and a bit and could have been sold for 20 perhaps 30 million had we got him signed to a new contract... those two obviously had quite a bit of press and exposure, but if a young players played a handful of times semi competently for our first team, what'd that do for their price?

Your point on Dembele was one of the reasons that Rigg was fired. Dembele wanted a pay rise to circa £60k per week. This could have been facilitated followed by a big sale in the summer. Rigg refused to do this and of course Dembele walked on a nominal fee.

Now people will see 60k per week for Dembele would have been foolish but to me if we'd have agreed knowing we'd flog him for 20m+ then the maths suggest this is an obvious deal and Rigg messed by not doing it. Imagine what we could have done in the transfer window with the McCormack money and Dembele money. It's not outside the realms of possibility we'd be a Premier League club.
Interesting info re Ring Marcel.
As for what we could have done with the potential Dembele fee, it would depend on who was spending it.


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Re: Kait
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2017, 07:22:26 PM »
How much first team action would constitute a rise in price tag?

We have seen a lot of youngsters leave in recent years, some have plied their trade in the first team whilst others have had a handful of minutes... how much game time would these players need to get to see either them grow significantly in stature or see their value increase and by how much?

Pat Roberts realistically was in and around the first team quite a bit but didn't actually play too many games yet we offloaded him for circa  12 million if rumours are to be believed.. dembele whilst we didn't get anything for him had an entire season and a bit and could have been sold for 20 perhaps 30 million had we got him signed to a new contract... those two obviously had quite a bit of press and exposure, but if a young players played a handful of times semi competently for our first team, what'd that do for their price?

Your point on Dembele was one of the reasons that Rigg was fired. Dembele wanted a pay rise to circa £60k per week. This could have been facilitated followed by a big sale in the summer. Rigg refused to do this and of course Dembele walked on a nominal fee.

Now people will see 60k per week for Dembele would have been foolish but to me if we'd have agreed knowing we'd flog him for 20m+ then the maths suggest this is an obvious deal and Rigg messed by not doing it. Imagine what we could have done in the transfer window with the McCormack money and Dembele money. It's not outside the realms of possibility we'd be a Premier League club.
but by giving him 60k you then senior players asking for that and that all trickles down. Suddenly a 60k pw to one player turns into £100k-150k per week pay rises across squad and it's another 4-6m on wages. Players have a price you pit on them and you can't break it once because you end up breaking it again and again. There were other reasons guy didn't sign, not just money.
Just the views of a long term fan

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Re: Kait
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2017, 07:33:55 PM »

He has been the 19th squad player in the last 2-3 championship games (apparently you can sign up 18 players to the list - 19th is the backup guy if anything happens to someone).

He said he hasnt spoken to jokanovic personally at all but feels his moment in first team is just about to happen.

You would like to think if he is constantly on standby to be in the squad , that he has actually trained with the head coach and senior team

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Re: Kait
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2017, 07:46:44 PM »

He has been the 19th squad player in the last 2-3 championship games (apparently you can sign up 18 players to the list - 19th is the backup guy if anything happens to someone).

He said he hasnt spoken to jokanovic personally at all but feels his moment in first team is just about to happen.

You would like to think if he is constantly on standby to be in the squad , that he has actually trained with the head coach and senior team
He has been training with them, just not had one on one conversation with Joka.
Just the views of a long term fan


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Re: Kait
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2017, 07:51:13 PM »

He has been the 19th squad player in the last 2-3 championship games (apparently you can sign up 18 players to the list - 19th is the backup guy if anything happens to someone).

He said he hasnt spoken to jokanovic personally at all but feels his moment in first team is just about to happen.

You would like to think if he is constantly on standby to be in the squad , that he has actually trained with the head coach and senior team
He has been training with them, just not had one on one conversation with Joka.
Yea that's what I meant, seems odd that the first time you have a conversation with your head coach it being perhaps in front of 20k people. Good luck to the boy and I hope he's as big for us as he is for Estonia

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Re: Kait
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2017, 07:59:15 PM »

He has been the 19th squad player in the last 2-3 championship games (apparently you can sign up 18 players to the list - 19th is the backup guy if anything happens to someone).

He said he hasnt spoken to jokanovic personally at all but feels his moment in first team is just about to happen.

You would like to think if he is constantly on standby to be in the squad , that he has actually trained with the head coach and senior team
He has been training with them, just not had one on one conversation with Joka.
Yea that's what I meant, seems odd that the first time you have a conversation with your head coach it being perhaps in front of 20k people. Good luck to the boy and I hope he's as big for us as he is for Estonia
I find it amazing the amount of footballers who talk about never talking to their manager. And that's from seasoned professionals
Just the views of a long term fan