Author Topic: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?  (Read 4698 times)

Offline Matt10

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #135 on: December 06, 2017, 08:29:25 PM »
  Dont actually agree with the idea that our defensive problems are caused by sloppy mistakes in our own half when we are "bringing the ball out from the back . We dont give away goals because we give the ball away in our own half ,or through pressure from other teams as such. Kebanos loss of possession for their first goal illustrates my Point. Ok they won the ball back but it was due to a niave piece of play by kebano which led to us not finishing our attack whilst committing many players forward. The problem was that we were poor in transition to defence with tooo many players caught in attacking mode.
Our failure to then re -win the ball back quickly shows a defensive problem we have and for me,and  illustrates the main reason that we miss Sone aluko. He was very quick to to try to regain possession when it was lost in the opponents half of the pitch. Johansen is also excellent at this.
The combination of slow transition to defense having lost the ball in the opponents half,sloppy use of the final ball ,and a pssiveness when trying to regain possession are the major problems that we have defensively.
Cant actually think of any goals conceded this year due to opposition pressure in our own half this season.



But last season teams had learned that to put pressure on us deep meant were hurried and often gave the ball away. This season teams have just followed up on that and we, for some reason have decided that with less able players, to continue playing it out from the back. Now if we continue with this team in playing the same way then the same conclusion will naturally occur.

Our back 5/6 is the same as last year, not “less able players”. Playing out from the back clearly makes fans nervous but it still works as well, if not better, than it did last year. Our new defensive problems occur, for whatever reason, when we do *not* have the ball, not when we do. But in any case the main differences between this year And last year are in attack, not defence. We have less able players up front.

Without Malone and with the players not as comfortable or as in form and giving the ball away more often. Our problem is that we are caught too often bringing the ball out from the back. By doing so we slow the game up, something we didn't do last season as we were quick on the break. Therefore by the time the ball reaches our front players they are well and truly marked out of the game.

Completely agree. Our transition defensively has caused a lot of issues. It's not often we concede from either giving the ball in our own half or from a well orchestrated build up from the other team. The Brentford match, first goal conceded, was a product of Kebano's cross deflecting in their favor, but the problem was we let Watkins run through our entire midfield.

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #136 on: December 06, 2017, 08:43:52 PM »
It may be heresy on this thread to suggest it, but maybe Joka is sticking with certain players and at certain positions because he sees qualities in training we don't, and he figures more time in position will give them the sea legs they need to play to their potential.  Fonte was a good player before he arrived at Fulham.  That's all I'm sayin'.    Bryan Ruiz was and arguably still is the best player on his high flying Costa Rican national team, the straw that stirs the drink.  But he was never used properly during his time at Fulham and languished.  Give this manager time with his new players and lineup.  We're far from done.  He'll get it right.  Look what we almost accomplished last season.  Shall we go back and revisit the posts on this forum back then?   People were in ecstasy over how this team played.  The talk of the league.  Now to read some of the historical revisionism on this thread, such success was purely accidental, accomplishment in spite of the manager.  Come on, now.

Well said. Some will say it's because they aren't acclimated to the league style, or some will say they aren't proper for Fulham's style of play.

The irony is that noone seems to know Fulham's style right now. Are we a made up collection of foreigners trying to play 4-3-3 attack, but masking it as a 4-5-1? Who knows! Nobody does.

Some would say they know what we want as the style, but noone actually knows what our style is. That could be a credit to a manager who has made things too complicated, even for his own players; or for a stats based system that the manager was forced to customize - who knows. For example, how many teams play with a False-9 out there? If they do...do they put their CM up there? Not that I know of. How many teams opt for an agile, short, smaller frame, perceived striker instead of a big, force of a man that has the perfect reference to an assault rifle?

I think the players are there for Slav, but just like managers before him, he's not putting players in the right positions. If/when he does, the tactics don't match the intent. My hope is that he learns that sooner rather than later, and I hope we see that as soon as Saturday.


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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #137 on: December 08, 2017, 08:27:57 PM »
I was chatting to chap who fixing my fence, his a Watford supporter,he reckons it was the best thing when Slav went.
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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #138 on: December 08, 2017, 08:57:03 PM »
I was chatting to chap who fixing my fence, his a Watford supporter,he reckons it was the best thing when Slav went.

Surely then the Fulham management must take this as a warning and take heed!
You just cannot get better expert opinion than a fence fixer?

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #139 on: December 08, 2017, 09:32:21 PM »
Think he has to get at least 5 points from the next three games, or it will be bye bye

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #140 on: December 08, 2017, 09:43:33 PM »
I was chatting to chap who fixing my fence, his a Watford supporter,he reckons it was the best thing when Slav went.

Surely then the Fulham management must take this as a warning and take heed!
You just cannot get better expert opinion than a fence fixer?

But was he sitting on the fence ?
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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #141 on: December 08, 2017, 09:45:54 PM »
Hope he didn't take offence!

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #142 on: December 09, 2017, 09:17:59 AM »
In his defence, he didn't have any!
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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #143 on: December 09, 2017, 09:51:08 AM »
I was chatting to chap who fixing my fence, his a Watford supporter,he reckons it was the best thing when Slav went.

Surely then the Fulham management must take this as a warning and take heed!
You just cannot get better expert opinion than a fence fixer?

Oi that’s a bit mean!


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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #144 on: December 09, 2017, 10:07:30 AM »
I was chatting to chap who fixing my fence, his a Watford supporter,he reckons it was the best thing when Slav went.

Surely then the Fulham management must take this as a warning and take heed!
You just cannot get better expert opinion than a fence fixer?
Like you he is a football supporter with an opinion.
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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #145 on: December 09, 2017, 10:21:11 AM »
Not another fence post.
The above IS NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT. It is an opinion.

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #146 on: December 09, 2017, 10:37:00 AM »
Today I think we have an almost fully fit squad, just Odoi and Piazon missing neither of whom were in early season starting elevens.

Birmingham are in a relegation spot and are reporting injury problems, they have yet to win away from home this season.
Surely if we can't win today serious questions will be asked of Jocanovic.


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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #147 on: December 09, 2017, 10:48:23 AM »
The problem with fence posts is they are always on one side or the other.

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #148 on: December 09, 2017, 11:03:18 AM »
Too many opposing players , like last week, run right through our team to create, or score, a goal, without being tackled.

Ojo was talking about it in his interview-  'maybe I, or  one of the others,  should have got a tackle in,' and that's just what I thought watching it - even it was adjudged a foul, just to stop the bloke.

I appreciate Ojo's honesty, anyway, and it's obviously not the same watching a replay rather than actually being in the situation.

In the olden times, defenders like Mullery, Eddie  Lowe or Jim Langley would have a 'they shall not pass' philosophy, and legal tackles they made would probably be  given as fouls today, but they would prefer to give away a free kick than just let someone go right through and score or create  an opportunity for  someone else.

Are we too nice - but then you could point to all the cards we get

But I would like to se more aggression and bite to our play, though I think the team's shown a lot of fight in games this season, keeping going right to the end, and often getting a result in the final minutes. But better if we didn't need to do that, and  we often seem to give away goals far too easily.

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #149 on: December 09, 2017, 11:10:59 AM »
As Joka says regularly "we need to be more solid"

Some of our players need to take this on board & do it

Even given we have had plenty of yellow & red cards

You can add Paul Went to the above list Ray!