Author Topic: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?  (Read 4697 times)

Offline Lighthouse

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2017, 12:08:47 AM »
His decisions today were poor. His excuses are poor and his reasoning in the after match comments are poor. He had a very poor day at the office and must be held account for them. I am beginning to feel that he blames the players for everything. He says he can't sub every player that gets a yellow card. But Odoi was an accident waiting to happen. It didn't need yet more positional changes other than putting Kevin Mac in the defence for Odoi and bringing on some pace. Taking off Kebano for Fonte was waving the  093.gif.

I said enough last week in other posts about wondering why so many fans genuinly love him as a coach. Almost as a reply our coach sods it up badly today. Depressed and fed up.  However much this season has been dreadful in most parts.  The club will not invest heavily in January. As such there is no point in changing Coach this season.
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Offline S.F.Sorrow

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2017, 12:27:25 AM »
I love Joka's style of football and what he's trying to do but he has made some extremely poor decisions lately. Today was a disaster. Johansen as a false 9? Djalo as the only defender on the bench? Not taking off Odoi? Bringing on Fonte? He seems to have lost it.

But what worries me the most is what other choices do we have? I still believe Jokanovic could have gotten us promoted with the right players but I don't think he will ever get them under the current regime. Would anyone better qualified want the job as "head coach" with all the limitations regarding transfers, conflicts at the club, etc.?

Sadly the main problem seems to be at the top and not likely to go away anytime soon.

Offline ..FOF..

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2017, 03:16:56 AM »
Won 2 and lost 1 after the Kline's debacle.

You guys can replace him with David Blaine or I heard David Copperfield is also looking for a gig to revive his career.


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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2017, 06:38:46 AM »
I think you will find it’s won 2 lost 2
We lost at Wolves.
But it’s not just about the last four matches.
Or yesterday even, it goes deeper that that to have caused this discontent .
Since the start of the season and even before then, has been a let down, and not just Joks fault of course, but what happens on the field of play, is his responsibility.
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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2017, 07:14:45 AM »
Yeah, I agreed in my post a few months ago that his head is on the chopping block by earliest end of October.

I don't see the owner firing him though, he was signed for the long term and it is going to take a lot to fire him at this moment.

Probably if we are fighting relegation then yeah, I won't defend him :)

Offline New Kid on the Block

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2017, 07:22:27 AM »
We are quite clearly not playing well, and it's very frustrating for me to watch.

However, last year's performances were sublime, and our expectations have been high for this, and understandably so. But none of know how badly the Kline debacle may have affected everyone at the club. Just because he is no longer here, doesn't mean that all is right at the club already. It'll take a while for things to settle down again.

Let's see what happens in the January window. Slav may have a long shopping list ready, and most, if not all, of them may have been on the previous two lists. As precarious as our position is becoming, he needs to be given the January window; Khan needs to try his hardest to get the players that Slav has identified, and then see what happens. At least Slav can be held directly responsible if it all goes pear-shaped with 'his' team.

There is no point in appointing a new manager (I like the old term), before then, and certainly not if Khan's wallet stays slammed shut. Motivator or not, a new manager may be, be we don't have anyone to score goals. Until we have one of those, you can motivate all you want.


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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2017, 07:37:10 AM »
If we lose to birmingham and then sack Slavisa where the hell would that leave us then ? Some of you lot just love having ago dont you. Good debate is fine ,but when it comes down this constant "I told you so " posting then its just pure annoying. This opinion  has nothing to do with blind love for Jokanovic or any other coach.
The bottom line is that he has no faith in Djaeo and very little in Kamara, players clearly recruited by others in the club., which is why they werent the obvious substitutions yeserday.If we had won yesterday ,and we were well on way until letting in surely the softest goal of the season ( a goalkeeping error?),we would have won three on the bounce!
Yesterday was hugely frustrating for us all but if we are going to moan like this after every defeat then at least come with some positivity when we win ,because otherwise Iam definitely going to skip these threads in future as they are very predictable.

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2017, 07:52:48 AM »
If we lose to birmingham and then sack Slavisa where the hell would that leave us then ? Some of you lot just love having ago dont you. Good debate is fine ,but when it comes down this constant "I told you so " posting then its just pure annoying. This opinion  has nothing to do with blind love for Jokanovic or any other coach.
The bottom line is that he has no faith in Djaeo and very little in Kamara, players clearly recruited by others in the club., which is why they werent the obvious substitutions yeserday.If we had won yesterday ,and we were well on way until letting in surely the softest goal of the season ( a goalkeeping error?),we would have won three on the bounce!
Yesterday was hugely frustrating for us all but if we are going to moan like this after every defeat then at least come with some positivity when we win ,because otherwise Iam definitely going to skip these threads in future as they are very predictable.


Does he also have no faith in Soares and Madl either ? Both could have done a job for us yesterday , where were they ?

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2017, 08:06:09 AM »
If we lose to birmingham and then sack Slavisa where the hell would that leave us then ? Some of you lot just love having ago dont you. Good debate is fine ,but when it comes down this constant "I told you so " posting then its just pure annoying. This opinion  has nothing to do with blind love for Jokanovic or any other coach.
The bottom line is that he has no faith in Djaeo and very little in Kamara, players clearly recruited by others in the club., which is why they werent the obvious substitutions yeserday.If we had won yesterday ,and we were well on way until letting in surely the softest goal of the season ( a goalkeeping error?),we would have won three on the bounce!
Yesterday was hugely frustrating for us all but if we are going to moan like this after every defeat then at least come with some positivity when we win ,because otherwise Iam definitely going to skip these threads in future as they are very predictable.

Couldn't have been said better. To quote Slav, "...but after the battle all the generals are clever and have different opinions."


Offline WokinghamWhite

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2017, 08:47:23 AM »
Have to agree with much said here.

Odoi should have been substituted after he was giving a long verbal warning by the ref when already on a yellow.

Playing a "false 9" was a complete failure - it meant that we simply never had a target man in the penalty box and we lack height and strength.

The team looked like statues for much of the match - how many times was a Fulham player left dawdling on the ball with nobody to pass to due to a lack of movement off the ball?

Button's play out of the box continues to leave everyone's hearts in their mouths - the coach says "Don't blame Button, blame me". OK - I do. Now what?

And Fonte was a spectator. Bringing him on had the net effect of reducing us to 9 players on the pitch.

But none of that means I want Slav to be sacked. The manager's a good manager. The players are good players. Football's a game of inches - if Cairney's shot that hit the corner of the crossbar had gone in for 2-2 then we'd be having a different discussion.

Offline Facts Not Fiction

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2017, 08:56:44 AM »
He is not helping the club at all at the moment.

He’s exiled players like Soares, Mollo and Graham before they’ve even had a proper look in, because they were Kline signings.

His favouritism to certain players, like Johansen and Ayite, is ridiculous. Both have had awful seasons, but yet, he will go to stupid lengths to fit them in.
 
His football is far too predictable. If you took notes from the Norwich game, you’d be able to defend against us for the rest of the season.

We’re 15th and nearly at the half way stage. 9 points off the playoffs. We will achieve nothing this season. Why keep a manger who is failing at his job? If we had finished 7th last season, he would’ve gone already.

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2017, 08:59:52 AM »
SJ is a real professional and takes pride in his work.  He has not over estimated his ability or under estimated it.  He has a good coaching team who are committed to the idea that good football methodology will always thrive provided you recruit and retain those players who can enjoy playing the game the way it is meant to be played.  Fulham's owners do not deserve his loyalty but they are stuck with him.  If Khan Snr never did intend to back him to the hilt or doesn't intend to back him to the hilt now then he should sack him now, today, and find someone who likes playing tiddlywinks with a stats machine.

As I said before the season began selling Malone was madness, and adding Aluko to the list of the outgoing confirmed the presence of insanity in Fulham's hierarchy.  As a supporter I have already expressed very clearly where I believe the problems lie and sacking SJ will simply be the final nail in the coffin.  I want the Khan's to commit or get the hell out of Craven Cottage before ever more serious and irreparable damage is done to the football club I love.

And if this forum truly wants SJ out, then I will consider it to be an very unfriendly place for true FFC supporters.


Offline Mince n Tatties

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2017, 09:08:44 AM »
So anyone that wants Slava out and doesn't agree with your opinion isn't a true Fulham fan? :023:

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2017, 09:17:53 AM »
My answer to the OP question. First or second international break of next season.

Why?  051 tends to stick with his coaches. I think he will give Joka the rest of this season to lay foundation for a summer window. Bring in players in summer that Joka wants, have a another preseason & look to see if we are in contention come next October

If I’m right. The rest of this season is treading water, experimenting & top 10 finish at best

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Re: So how long has Slavisa realistically got?
« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2017, 09:28:52 AM »
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and not one opinion is greater than another.

Slav should stay ONLY if the board will back him and he is allowed to bring in players he wants.....
How many times have the FST and all ST holders (including myself)  bought into the "we will do anything to get the club promoted" and nothing happens!

It's the Khans that should go before Joka does.


At least we have seen some decent football under Joka -
Guessing most of you wont be happy until Joka goes and we get another Magath in....

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