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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2018, 01:59:07 PM »
Getting sacked is something that can happen to employees.  But if a company representing Mr Carragher has a legally binding agreement with Sky, then what happens next will involve legal discussions between two companies about what the contract says.  Could take a little while to resolve, but I’d be surprised to see him on Sky again. 

His were the actions of an angry and stressed individual.  Why he should be in that state is a mystery.

For sure there may be some activity behind the scenes but if Carragher's action breaches his contract of employment terms and conditions (the usual standards of behaviour required/expected of an employee) then he can be sacked and he can argue all he likes about it in a tribunal.   

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2018, 02:03:47 PM »
Just to add to my earlier comment if Carragher had any character worth talking about then he would resign.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2018, 04:16:35 PM »
Just to add to my earlier comment if Carragher had any character worth talking about then he would resign.

Agree, if he had any moral compass, and was genuinely sincere, then he would and should have fallen on his sword before now, and should have resigned with immediate effect.
The Sky Presenter Sarah Hewson who gave him a real grilling yesterday when she interviewed him, pulled no punches.
He should have grabbed the opportunity to resign then, but he obviously wasn’t THAT sorry, only sorry for himself.  Now it will be left to others to make the decision for him I would imagine.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2018, 05:47:01 PM »
I've just watched the Sarah Hewson interview of Carragher and she most certainly drives home a point that the silly guy doesn't get at all. 

Hewson observes, repeatedly, that spitting at anyone is disgusting and Carragher defends, repeatedly, with an apology that every time ends up with the claim that what hurt him most is the presence of a fourteen year old girl that he hadn't seen.. Carragher just doesn't get that spitting is disgusting and for that reason alone he needs a good old fashioned gardening break that'll sharpen up his views of all the things he has to be grateful about.  That should diminish all need he feels to keep saying he is sorry.   He needs to publicly state that his behaviour was disgusting and inexcusable and was the 'real him' (nobody else but you in the clip, Mr Carragher).  He should then resign from his job and work on himself until such time as he is absolutely certain he'll never, ever spit at anyone again.   Working on TV or media again shouldn't even be in his head.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2018, 06:47:15 PM »
He spat at a car , big deal , no one was hurt , why the big outcry for f***ks sake , move on .

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« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2018, 06:50:22 PM »
BBC this evening:

Greater Manchester Police have spoken to the motorist who filmed Jamie Carragher spitting towards his car while both were driving on Saturday.

Enquiries are continuing but it is understood both Carragher's actions and the filming of the incident while driving could be punishable.

Former Liverpool defender Carragher, 40, has apologised and been suspended by Sky Sports for whom he is a pundit.

The incident occurred after Liverpool's 2-1 defeat at Manchester United.

Carragher, who has yet to be contacted by police, said he was "goaded three/four times while being filmed" but that there was "no excuse".

Greater Manchester Police said on Monday they were not investigating the incident, and had received no complaint from the man driving the car.

But after the video was obtained by the Mirror and was widely distributed, police contacted the man who filmed the incident.

Carragher said on Monday he would accept any consequences.

He said: "I'm in no position to question or disagree if someone wants to have a pop or the police want to speak to me. I've done a bad thing and have to accept whatever comes my way.

"I'm upset for them, my family and everyone involved. It's been something we all could have done without but all I can do now is apologise."

In the video, Carragher exchanges waves with the other driver before they both wind down their car windows.

The man can then be heard shouting: "Unlucky Jamie, lad. Two-one."

Carragher, who made 737 appearances for Liverpool and won 38 England caps, reacts by leaning out of his window and spitting towards the car, hitting the man's daughter, who is sitting in the front passenger seat.

Speaking to the BBC on Monday, Carragher said: "It looks awful and I accept that. It's not something I've done before and not something I'll do again.

"It's a stain on my character and I have to accept that."

Carragher, who has two children, said he would condemn someone else had they behaved in a similar way.

"If I was watching someone do that, I'd be commenting or tweeting about it myself," he said. "There's not a person in the world who can condone spitting, no matter what's gone on.

"I knew there was someone else in the car, and I knew it was a female, but I didn't know it was a young girl.

"When I lost it, my rage was focused on the man across me with a camera in his hand, but no matter what he was doing my reaction was unacceptable."


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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2018, 10:35:46 PM »
He says his rage was focussed on the man. What’s he talking about rage, why would he be in a rage over something like that. Rage is defined in the English Oxford Collins Dictionary as .......violent uncontrollable anger.
If he had caught the bloke breaking into his house, or having an affair with his wife, fair enough, anyone would be in a rage.
But If he loses control over that, he needs anger management classes, or see a shrink, he is an overgrown middle aged Yob, and yob backwards spells boy, which makes him a backward boy.
That explains it.
No good him bothering to go down the Job Centre either.
Maybe he can join Keys and Gray on that two bob sports radio show, they deserve each other. They could rename the show, The Three Stooges. Larry, Mo and Curly.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #67 on: March 14, 2018, 01:40:47 AM »
Heat of the battle. It happens. Those who play football know it, those who play sports know, those who are confronted know it. No excuse of course, and spitting can't be tolerated. However, I recently played in an 30+ league last season and realized that heat of the battle amongst former athletes still exists and you just never know. I believe in the concept that you are more than the sum of your past mistakes, and that needs to be considered here. Everyone who has access to the internet wants their own PR and has to feel like they need to stand up for something or if they don't, they'll be marked as someone who doesn't care. Pretty sure that doesn't matter, and you can just move on with your life. Hope all parties involved do the same, as can the public. Apologies are perceived the way they are, and that's all they can be. Not sure what else Carragher can do other than sit out the sentence that has gone over him now.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #68 on: March 14, 2018, 07:08:48 AM »
He spat at a car , big deal , no one was hurt , why the big outcry for f***ks sake , move on .

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2018, 07:13:47 AM »
Poor conduct by Carragher, but the action lacks context, and the only context do have shows a man shamefully filming and goading Carraghers as he drives his car at speed with his daughter in the passenger seat.

Unfortunately the daughter became collateral, but this was because of the Dads actions. Carragher was not just spitting at cars.

If Carragher is sacked by Sky, fair enough, it was poor conduct. But can we also go after the disgraceful Dad who was more interested in getting a video to send to his mates rather than ensuring the safety of his child.

IMO Carragher's action is utterly reprehensible and he should be taken to task for it according to law (i.e. as is said above, assault) and SKY would be wise to take him off air.  In addition, IMO, the father driving while operating a mobile phone should also be punished BUT having just looked at the video footage, the father seems to have no concern that his daughter has been spat at.  His tone of voice "Ooooh Jamie Carragher has spat at my daughter, nice" sounds to me - only my opinion - as if he immediately realises that he can get a nice little earner.  Doesn't excuse Carragher in any way and there was no what I would call provocation.

Yep both of the male "adults" in thus case need to be punished. The poor girl having such a useless father.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #70 on: March 14, 2018, 07:17:40 AM »
Heat of the battle. It happens. Those who play football know it, those who play sports know, those who are confronted know it. No excuse of course, and spitting can't be tolerated. However, I recently played in an 30+ league last season and realized that heat of the battle amongst former athletes still exists and you just never know. I believe in the concept that you are more than the sum of your past mistakes, and that needs to be considered here. Everyone who has access to the internet wants their own PR and has to feel like they need to stand up for something or if they don't, they'll be marked as someone who doesn't care. Pretty sure that doesn't matter, and you can just move on with your life. Hope all parties involved do the same, as can the public. Apologies are perceived the way they are, and that's all they can be. Not sure what else Carragher can do other than sit out the sentence that has gone over him now.

Not exactly a battle was it? He should have kept his window closed and turned up the music. At the weekend I saw someone deal with a road rage idiot very well. The bloke chased their car into a Tesco only for the woman in the car rather than the man to get out and talk to the chaser. I think if the man had got out there would have been a fight but the idiot in the big jeep didn't want to get involved against a woman and drove off. Both drivers in my opinion endangered lives though by racing into the car park.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #71 on: March 14, 2018, 07:38:26 AM »
This whole case is ridiculous.

Carragher lost it because of wind- up banter, and being filmed, but he was probably already wound up by other things said to him, and spat at the car of the man winding him up, and filming him - to do God knows what with the footage, and it happened to hit the young girl in the car's passenger  seat.

This is something and nothing, and should be forgotten, instead it's all been exaggerated, and become a   major issue, with  Carragher  probably losing his job, and possible criminal proceedings against both parties.

This is madness.
An opportunity for  all the sanctimonious, holier than thou Joes, of which there are currently plenty, to pontificate.
They should just shake hands and forget about it.


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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #72 on: March 14, 2018, 11:22:08 AM »
This whole case is ridiculous.
Okay, RaySmith, you have convinced me.  Spit Happens......

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #73 on: March 14, 2018, 11:27:12 AM »
Not only dangerous driving but anybody spitting in public at anything should be fined. No wonder illness and germs spread so easily. For those that think this is fine and spitting is just one of those things. I find myself content in the knowledge that I have less time to live in this filthy world than I have spent here. If spitting is ok you are welcome to it. But then peeing in public might be just up your street to.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #74 on: March 14, 2018, 12:42:07 PM »
Not only dangerous driving but anybody spitting in public at anything should be fined. No wonder illness and germs spread so easily. For those that think this is fine and spitting is just one of those things. I find myself content in the knowledge that I have less time to live in this filthy world than I have spent here. If spitting is ok you are welcome to it. But then peeing in public might be just up your street to.
      Funny you should say that.  In yesterday's Times  Matt Dickinson wrote "Jamie Carragher once peed on my feet. We were sitting around a table in a bar in Malaysia on an England Under-20 tour and, as he slurred at the time, he had had quite a few and it was a long way to the toilet.  Among a lairy crew on that trip — Kieron Dyer revealed recently in his autobiography that the squad took turns to crap in a carrier bag that was hung on the hotel door of the coach, Ted Powell — Carragher was certainly not a boy scout."    Dickinson does go onto argue that Carragher should be repriomanded but not severely.





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« Reply #75 on: March 14, 2018, 01:15:42 PM »
It has been reported that Carragher is suspended by Sky for the rest of this season to seek help with his issues, and will be seen by Sky officials prior to the start of next season to satisfy themselves that the incident or similar will not be repeated. 

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #76 on: March 14, 2018, 01:19:53 PM »
Just to add to my earlier comment if Carragher had any character worth talking about then he would resign.

He is a Scouser and we all know they can't even spell character!!

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #77 on: March 14, 2018, 01:20:39 PM »
This whole case is ridiculous.
Okay, RaySmith, you have convinced me.  Spit Happens......

It’s a tough one to swallow

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« Reply #78 on: March 14, 2018, 01:54:17 PM »
Not only dangerous driving but anybody spitting in public at anything should be fined. No wonder illness and germs spread so easily. For those that think this is fine and spitting is just one of those things. I find myself content in the knowledge that I have less time to live in this filthy world than I have spent here. If spitting is ok you are welcome to it. But then peeing in public might be just up your street to.
      Funny you should say that.  In yesterday's Times  Matt Dickinson wrote "Jamie Carragher once peed on my feet. We were sitting around a table in a bar in Malaysia on an England Under-20 tour and, as he slurred at the time, he had had quite a few and it was a long way to the toilet.  Among a lairy crew on that trip — Kieron Dyer revealed recently in his autobiography that the squad took turns to crap in a carrier bag that was hung on the hotel door of the coach, Ted Powell — Carragher was certainly not a boy scout."    Dickinson does go onto argue that Carragher should be repriomanded but not severely.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #79 on: March 14, 2018, 03:18:29 PM »
Just to add to my earlier comment if Carragher had any character worth talking about then he would resign.

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