Safe standing areas

[cookieg]

A mate told me that Brentford have terracing behind one of the goals for standing. I've not been to Brentford since the days of Robert Haworth but is this true?

Lower tier of the away stand

Surely they should have put seats in by now, they've been in the Championship a couple of years now.

[FFCAli]

I personally have no wish to stand but that doesn't stop me being firmly in favour of safe standing.  And having stood in Hamburg I felt much safer with the high rail to lean on than when people stand from their current seats. 
Sign the petition.  It won't happen soon but safe standing will come some day.

[MJG]

A mate told me that Brentford have terracing behind one of the goals for standing. I've not been to Brentford since the days of Robert Haworth but is this true?

Lower tier of the away stand

Surely they should have put seats in by now, they've been in the Championship a couple of years now.

because they are building a new ground they were allowed the extension to the rules.

[Ronnief]

Having signed the petition in favour of safe standing areas, I have now sent e-mails to my local MP in Littlehampton, Ed Davey in Kingston who was my MP in Kingston before I moved and also to Tracey Crouch the Sports Minister.  I wonder if I'll get a reply from any of them.  If I do, I'll post their replies.

[G_Gribby]

The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/22/hillsborough-survivor-football-safe-standing-return

[alfie]

Safe standing has to be allowed, it's common sense, and more practical. Unfortunately a lot of these politicians wouldn't know the difference between a football and a snowball, and have no empathy, totally out of touch with the real world. Too busy fiddling their expenses, and staying on the gravy train.
But who are they to make decisions for us, they are neither qualified or capable.



They are electected and  can be changed at every General Election that is what qualifies them to make decisions.

Disagree, When it comes to Sport none of them are qualified whoever is in government. Anyone who believes these decisions in their hands will be democraticly decided by the elite and the establishment, have an awful lot to learn about politics.   
If a politician told me night followed day, I would go and ask someone else.
Leave Football decisions to football people, not politicians they are not qualified, most are in office as it beats working for a living, and will except all the trimmings that go with it, without giving their constituents a minutes thought.

How the hell do you know what level of understanding they have, I have a friend who is in politics and he knows more about football than me and probably you,, perhaps you should just think a little before making statements about people you don't know.

[WokinghamWhite]

From a conversation I had with someone a few years ago when safe standing was debated (and passed as a resolution) at a party political conference, I believe that you have a barrier in front of every row so there can not be a surge forward as happened at Hillsborough. In addition there would be a small seat of the sort sometimes seen at bus shelters behind every person so you can actually park yourself if you're feeling a bit puffed. If "safe standing" came to CC I'd be very interested.

[SadOldGit]

There is a petition out to allow clubs in the top two leagues to have safe standing areas. As football supporters I believe we need to sign this (sorry if it is considered political)

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Signed

[toshes mate]

Following up the 'what do MP's know about football debate', it should be noted that Tracey Crouch, our Sport's Minister, is a qualified FA coach, manages a team, and follows Tottenham Hotspur 'keenly'.

Now none of that makes her a specialist in 'safe' anything, since they are all things more allied to people who actually attend football matches with more than just a manageable number paying to watch.  The evidence she should offer, rather than 'well nobody wants in at the top clubs', is what the safety issues are and what has happened to degrade that safety where safe standing has been used.  If she cannot do that then she is being plain dictatorially dumb.  All I would ask of her is 'where is your evidence?' because so far you have offered nothing.   

[Woolly Mammoth]

Safe standing has to be allowed, it's common sense, and more practical. Unfortunately a lot of these politicians wouldn't know the difference between a football and a snowball, and have no empathy, totally out of touch with the real world. Too busy fiddling their expenses, and staying on the gravy train.
But who are they to make decisions for us, they are neither qualified or capable.



They are electected and  can be changed at every General Election that is what qualifies them to make decisions.

Disagree, When it comes to Sport none of them are qualified whoever is in government. Anyone who believes these decisions in their hands will be democraticly decided by the elite and the establishment, have an awful lot to learn about politics.   
If a politician told me night followed day, I would go and ask someone else.
Leave Football decisions to football people, not politicians they are not qualified, most are in office as it beats working for a living, and will except all the trimmings that go with it, without giving their constituents a minutes thought.

How the hell do you know what level of understanding they have, I have a friend who is in politics and he knows more about football than me and probably you,, perhaps you should just think a little before making statements about people you don't know.

and that goes for you to, what a load of Cobblers.
Wow. I must write down what you have stated and read it at night, it will work better than a sleeping tablet. The NHS could take it up to as a recognised cure.
As for Hell, my advice if you are going through Hell........just keep going. 
I don't believe in political jokes, I have seen too many of them get elected.

[alfie]

Safe standing has to be allowed, it's common sense, and more practical. Unfortunately a lot of these politicians wouldn't know the difference between a football and a snowball, and have no empathy, totally out of touch with the real world. Too busy fiddling their expenses, and staying on the gravy train.
But who are they to make decisions for us, they are neither qualified or capable. He



They are electected and  can be changed at every General Election that is what qualifies them to make decisions.

Disagree, When it comes to Sport none of them are qualified whoever is in government. Anyone who believes these decisions in their hands will be democraticly decided by the elite and the establishment, have an awful lot to learn about politics.   
If a politician told me night followed day, I would go and ask someone else.
Leave Football decisions to football people, not politicians they are not qualified, most are in office as it beats working for a living, and will except all the trimmings that go with it, without giving their constituents a minutes thought.

How the hell do you know what level of understanding they have, I have a friend who is in politics and he knows more about football than me and probably you,, perhaps you should just think a little before making statements about people you don't know.

and that goes for you to, what a load of Cobblers.
Wow. I must write down what you have stated and read it at night, it will work better than a sleeping tablet. The NHS could take it up to as a recognised cure.
As for Hell, my advice if you are going through Hell........just keep going. 
I don't believe in political jokes, I have seen too many of them get elected.

Wow you are so arrogant, my friend goes to as many matches as he can he has been in and around football for 50 odd years, I guess much the same as you, but because he is a politician he does not have a view or an understanding of football matters, yet you set yourself up as an authority on all matters football, I appreciate you have a view and I do respect opinions, but to make a statement that because someone is a politician they don't understand is just wrong, or should I say cobblers.

[toshes mate]

I do get the point you are trying to make, alfie, but why not answer the point about what politicians know about safety issues between safe standing and seats i.e. evidence that safe standing is a higher risk than people jumping up and down in seats with no protective barrier in front of them.   

Safety was given as the reason all seater stadia were introduce, but it was not about safety at all.  It was a political command unsupported by evidence that they were the safest option.  Lord Taylor did not say that standing was unsafe even with old style terracing when there was not even the concept of safe standing.  That says politicians are acting as petty dictators and not concerned and caring stewards of the people they claim they represent.  Now if someone disrespects me by not explaining their decision to refuse me my preferred choice as a football supporter then why should I respect them and their views?  Life is a two way street not a march to the tune of political flavours of the month.

[Woolly Mammoth]

Safe standing has to be allowed, it's common sense, and more practical. Unfortunately a lot of these politicians wouldn't know the difference between a football and a snowball, and have no empathy, totally out of touch with the real world. Too busy fiddling their expenses, and staying on the gravy train.
But who are they to make decisions for us, they are neither qualified or capable. He



They are electected and  can be changed at every General Election that is what qualifies them to make decisions.

Disagree, When it comes to Sport none of them are qualified whoever is in government. Anyone who believes these decisions in their hands will be democraticly decided by the elite and the establishment, have an awful lot to learn about politics.   
If a politician told me night followed day, I would go and ask someone else.
Leave Football decisions to football people, not politicians they are not qualified, most are in office as it beats working for a living, and will except all the trimmings that go with it, without giving their constituents a minutes thought.

How the hell do you know what level of understanding they have, I have a friend who is in politics and he knows more about football than me and probably you,, perhaps you should just think a little before making statements about people you don't know.

and that goes for you to, what a load of Cobblers.
Wow. I must write down what you have stated and read it at night, it will work better than a sleeping tablet. The NHS could take it up to as a recognised cure.
As for Hell, my advice if you are going through Hell........just keep going. 
I don't believe in political jokes, I have seen too many of them get elected.

Wow you are so arrogant, my friend goes to as many matches as he can he has been in and around football for 50 odd years, I guess much the same as you, but because he is a politician he does not have a view or an understanding of football matters, yet you set yourself up as an authority on all matters football, I appreciate you have a view and I do respect opinions, but to make a statement that because someone is a politician they don't understand is just wrong, or should I say cobblers.

Alfie, you can say Shoe Menders or even Northampton Town, as they are known as the Cobblers. But Cobblers is my word.
Many years ago I saw a cartoon in a newspaper showing two people fighting over a cow.
One was pulling its tail, the other was pulling it by the horns, and there was a politician underneath milking the cow.
Do you know I once threw a boomerang, and now I live in constant fear.

[FulhamStu]

I personally think all seater stadia are more about control than safety.   Not sure why you could not have the same control with safe standing though.   Was anyone sitting at the Millwall game ?

[Woolly Mammoth]

I do get the point you are trying to make, alfie, but why not answer the point about what politicians know about safety issues between safe standing and seats i.e. evidence that safe standing is a higher risk than people jumping up and down in seats with no protective barrier in front of them.   

Safety was given as the reason all seater stadia were introduce, but it was not about safety at all.  It was a political command unsupported by evidence that they were the safest option.  Lord Taylor did not say that standing was unsafe even with old style terracing when there was not even the concept of safe standing.  That says politicians are acting as petty dictators and not concerned and caring stewards of the people they claim they represent.  Now if someone disrespects me by not explaining their decision to refuse me my preferred choice as a football supporter then why should I respect them and their views?  Life is a two way street not a march to the tune of political flavours of the month.

Well said, and very articulate.
You are not only a man of the people, but you are a man for the people.
Have you ever thought about becoming a politician.

[alfie]

Safe standing has to be allowed, it's common sense, and more practical. Unfortunately a lot of these politicians wouldn't know the difference between a football and a snowball, and have no empathy, totally out of touch with the real world. Too busy fiddling their expenses, and staying on the gravy train.
But who are they to make decisions for us, they are neither qualified or capable. He



They are electected and  can be changed at every General Election that is what qualifies them to make decisions.

Disagree, When it comes to Sport none of them are qualified whoever is in government. Anyone who believes these decisions in their hands will be democraticly decided by the elite and the establishment, have an awful lot to learn about politics.   
If a politician told me night followed day, I would go and ask someone else.
Leave Football decisions to football people, not politicians they are not qualified, most are in office as it beats working for a living, and will except all the trimmings that go with it, without giving their constituents a minutes thought.

How the hell do you know what level of understanding they have, I have a friend who is in politics and he knows more about football than me and probably you,, perhaps you should just think a little before making statements about people you don't know.

and that goes for you to, what a load of Cobblers.
Wow. I must write down what you have stated and read it at night, it will work better than a sleeping tablet. The NHS could take it up to as a recognised cure.
As for Hell, my advice if you are going through Hell........just keep going. 
I don't believe in political jokes, I have seen too many of them get elected.

Wow you are so arrogant, my friend goes to as many matches as he can he has been in and around football for 50 odd years, I guess much the same as you, but because he is a politician he does not have a view or an understanding of football matters, yet you set yourself up as an authority on all matters football, I appreciate you have a view and I do respect opinions, but to make a statement that because someone is a politician they don't understand is just wrong, or should I say cobblers.

Alfie, you can say Shoe Menders or even Northampton Town, as they are known as the Cobblers. But Cobblers is my word.
Many years ago I saw a cartoon in a newspaper showing two people fighting over a cow.
One was pulling its tail, the other was pulling it by the horns, and there was a politician underneath milking the cow.
Do you know I once threw a boomerang, and now I live in constant fear.

Well as this was getting a bit heavy, you have responded in a way to lighten the atmosphere, that will do for me. I have come to the conclusion after spending several years in the professional game I know nothing, and that I feel is the best way to be so then I cannot be right or wrong.

[alfie]

I do get the point you are trying to make, alfie, but why not answer the point about what politicians know about safety issues between safe standing and seats i.e. evidence that safe standing is a higher risk than people jumping up and down in seats with no protective barrier in front of them.   

Safety was given as the reason all seater stadia were introduce, but it was not about safety at all.  It was a political command unsupported by evidence that they were the safest option.  Lord Taylor did not say that standing was unsafe even with old style terracing when there was not even the concept of safe standing.  That says politicians are acting as petty dictators and not concerned and caring stewards of the people they claim they represent.  Now if someone disrespects me by not explaining their decision to refuse me my preferred choice as a football supporter then why should I respect them and their views?  Life is a two way street not a march to the tune of political flavours of the month.

My point was not about the decision on standing, it was purely about making the statement that if you are a politician you do not have an understanding, that's all, anyway I have said enough on the subject.

[Woolly Mammoth]

Safe standing has to be allowed, it's common sense, and more practical. Unfortunately a lot of these politicians wouldn't know the difference between a football and a snowball, and have no empathy, totally out of touch with the real world. Too busy fiddling their expenses, and staying on the gravy train.
But who are they to make decisions for us, they are neither qualified or capable. He



They are electected and  can be changed at every General Election that is what qualifies them to make decisions.

Disagree, When it comes to Sport none of them are qualified whoever is in government. Anyone who believes these decisions in their hands will be democraticly decided by the elite and the establishment, have an awful lot to learn about politics.   
If a politician told me night followed day, I would go and ask someone else.
Leave Football decisions to football people, not politicians they are not qualified, most are in office as it beats working for a living, and will except all the trimmings that go with it, without giving their constituents a minutes thought.

How the hell do you know what level of understanding they have, I have a friend who is in politics and he knows more about football than me and probably you,, perhaps you should just think a little before making statements about people you don't know.

and that goes for you to, what a load of Cobblers.
Wow. I must write down what you have stated and read it at night, it will work better than a sleeping tablet. The NHS could take it up to as a recognised cure.
As for Hell, my advice if you are going through Hell........just keep going. 
I don't believe in political jokes, I have seen too many of them get elected.

Wow you are so arrogant, my friend goes to as many matches as he can he has been in and around football for 50 odd years, I guess much the same as you, but because he is a politician he does not have a view or an understanding of football matters, yet you set yourself up as an authority on all matters football, I appreciate you have a view and I do respect opinions, but to make a statement that because someone is a politician they don't understand is just wrong, or should I say cobblers.

Alfie, you can say Shoe Menders or even Northampton Town, as they are known as the Cobblers. But Cobblers is my word.
Many years ago I saw a cartoon in a newspaper showing two people fighting over a cow.
One was pulling its tail, the other was pulling it by the horns, and there was a politician underneath milking the cow.
Do you know I once threw a boomerang, and now I live in constant fear.

Well as this was getting a bit heavy, you have responded in a way to lighten the atmosphere, that will do for me. I have come to the conclusion after spending several years in the professional game I know nothing, and that I feel is the best way to be so then I cannot be right or wrong.

Alfie, this is no word of a lie, I have just read in a newspaper that Robots will outnumber Humans by 2048.
I was thinking that we could introduce as many as possible to be Fulham Supporters, not only would that swell the gate, the Robots would join in with the singing which would crank up the atmosphere,  If they are primed correctly.
I would also imagine most of the Robots would want to support safe standing also.

[Steven Ageroad]

Safe standing, as in Hamburg in the Europa final, is totally from different to just standing up in grounds now. If you remember, those who went, the amount of space taken up for a standing is twice the space that we have now and therefore the stadium capacity will be reduced. There was plenty of space to stand up and a safety rail in front of you to stop you falling into the next row, there was also a folding type bench seat for you to sit on if you wanted to. It's not a case of just getting rid of the seats and standing up, there's more to it than that which needs to be taken into consideration.

[Twig]

The petition has reached over 100,000 so it must now be considered for debate in the house.
From the parliamentary website; "Petitions which reach 100,000 signatures are almost always debated. But we may decide not to put a petition forward for debate if the issue has already been debated recently or there's a debate scheduled for the near future".