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Offline The Swan

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Don't blame the referee.
« on: April 15, 2018, 10:23:31 PM »
Don't blame the referee for the added time to the extra four minutes announce stated.

When Johansen was subbed he took an age to walk across the pitch. The ref looked at his watch as Johansen took a long time to leave the pitch.
I am sure that the ref would have added at least one minute on.

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Re: Don't blame the referee.
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2018, 10:27:12 PM »
Confused, are you suggesting that some people questioned the four minutes added time? I think there was nearly 5 1/2 played in the end, have to watch the replay again. Everybody is disappointed by the result, but as most people have said a draw was a fair result!!

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Re: Don't blame the referee.
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2018, 09:44:18 AM »
Confused, are you suggesting that some people questioned the four minutes added time? I think there was nearly 5 1/2 played in the end, have to watch the replay again. Everybody is disappointed by the result, but as most people have said a draw was a fair result!!
A few games back I was next to a chap who was ranting on about playing more than the 2mins added time, I tried to explain that there is a word used before the time “minimum” and if there is more time wasting or injury more time would be added, he was not having any of it and just carried on mouthing off.



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Re: Don't blame the referee.
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2018, 09:51:10 AM »
Sorry but are referees supposed to stop their watch every time throughout the 90 minutes when the ball goes out for a throw or for a substitution? I can tell you now none of them do. But his one did for the 20 minutes after we scored and he made a big meal of it, pointing to his watch for the cameras.

Then at the end he awards us a corner but then blows his whistle before it's taken, i.e., when the ball is out of play. So obviously he didn't stop his watch for that, presumably because he was content now that Brentford had equalised.

I've never seen that in my life. The guy was a complete idiot.
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Re: Don't blame the referee.
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2018, 10:04:56 AM »
I am not blaming the ref, but he was/is a Premiership Referee and you have to admit he did make some strange decisions, got both sides.

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Re: Don't blame the referee.
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2018, 12:37:44 PM »
Statto I suggest you try refereeing. It has never been an exact art and the pressure those guys are under is terrible. They are judged each week by the tv companies with their high tech equipment. You should try it on a Sunday Morning in the park. A ref I know always takes his wife and German Shepherd dog with him. May be after a couple of weeks you would not be as critical. The referees job is to obviously get most decisions right but to keep the game going. They will never be right every time. Why would we expect them to be? Some fouls are a bit of both anyway
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Re: Don't blame the referee.
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2018, 02:20:33 PM »
Statto I suggest you try refereeing. It has never been an exact art and the pressure those guys are under is terrible. They are judged each week by the tv companies with their high tech equipment. You should try it on a Sunday Morning in the park. A ref I know always takes his wife and German Shepherd dog with him. May be after a couple of weeks you would not be as critical. The referees job is to obviously get most decisions right but to keep the game going. They will never be right every time. Why would we expect them to be? Some fouls are a bit of both anyway

Remind me to make the same argument next time one of our players is poor. I will say Andy, before you criticise this player you should go down to your local park and try doing what he does with a football. Of course if you are half intelligent you will point out that out of 6 billion people in the world, this player is one of a few hundred paid to his job professionally to an expert standard at the very highest level, and therefore the difficulties experienced by some anonymous bloke down the park on a Sunday are pretty irrelevant
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Re: Don't blame the referee.
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2018, 02:43:34 PM »
Referees at the lowest levels of football get paid a pittance (£30?) and put up with abuse and physical violence from players and little to no protection from football authorities.  That is a scandal not least for the knock on it has to higher grades of football.  So what should we expect from the average EFL referee who has grafted their way through the pyramid?  One would hope, at the very least, a thorough understanding of the rules of the game, one hundred percent concentration and application, and total neutrality.  Do referees live up to our expectations and, if so, how often?  I'd argue that they do not live up to expectations and rarely get above the 'adequate' level and the reasons why are to be found in how pyramid structures often work these days (what gets you to the top, in other words).   

My main beef would be consistency which means not favouring one side more than the other when making 'bad' decisions......


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Re: Don't blame the referee.
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2018, 10:28:02 PM »
Not blame the ref? The guy was sooo bad. Why in the flip did he blow his whistle before the last corner??? So many mistakes throughout the scumbag. Secretly a bee fan.


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Re: Don't blame the referee.
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2018, 10:37:53 PM »
Referees at the lowest levels of football get paid a pittance (£30?) and put up with abuse and physical violence from players and little to no protection from football authorities.  That is a scandal not least for the knock on it has to higher grades of football.  So what should we expect from the average EFL referee who has grafted their way through the pyramid?  One would hope, at the very least, a thorough understanding of the rules of the game, one hundred percent concentration and application, and total neutrality.  Do referees live up to our expectations and, if so, how often?  I'd argue that they do not live up to expectations and rarely get above the 'adequate' level and the reasons why are to be found in how pyramid structures often work these days (what gets you to the top, in other words).   

My main beef would be consistency which means not favouring one side more than the other when making 'bad' decisions......


I agree, how much do they get paid to use their additional time to read the fans forums?

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Re: Don't blame the referee.
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2018, 10:39:30 PM »
Not blame the ref? The guy was sooo bad. Why in the flip did he blow his whistle before the last corner??? So many mistakes throughout the scumbag. Secretly a bee fan.
You must be joking m8, have another look at the penalty claim and offside decision in the 1st half or are you wearing rose tinted glasses?

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Re: Don't blame the referee.
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2018, 10:02:03 AM »
Have another look at the penalty claim and offside decision in the 1st half or are you wearing rose tinted glasses?
The point being that if the guy and his assistants can do that to our opponents what can they do to us?  The incident where Odoi pointed out to the referee 'You are the person (making the decision), not the assistants, the benches, or anyone else', was a perfect example of how poorly he applied himself throughout.   It makes you realise how much of a lottery any sport can become when officialdom gets it wrong.
 


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Re: Don't blame the referee.
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2018, 10:55:41 AM »
Referees at the lowest levels of football get paid a pittance (£30?) and put up with abuse and physical violence from players and little to no protection from football authorities.  That is a scandal not least for the knock on it has to higher grades of football.  So what should we expect from the average EFL referee who has grafted their way through the pyramid?  One would hope, at the very least, a thorough understanding of the rules of the game, one hundred percent concentration and application, and total neutrality.  Do referees live up to our expectations and, if so, how often?  I'd argue that they do not live up to expectations and rarely get above the 'adequate' level and the reasons why are to be found in how pyramid structures often work these days (what gets you to the top, in other words).   

My main beef would be consistency which means not favouring one side more than the other when making 'bad' decisions......



Referees at grass roots Adult Open Age Football get paid £35 tax free.
But in most cases they earn it.
 They have to be a Man Manager, a Social Worker, have enormous patience and a thick skin, a massive sense of humour and good social skills, and despite all those attributes, he still will not be able to keep everyone happy. Especially the low life, but these people have no respect for anyone including referees and themselves.
When I first begun refereeing in the late 60s, I was paid £4.00 which covered petrol expenses and a couple pints of Watneys Red Barrell.
These days I know some referees who are in retirement. Referee Saturday’s, Sunday’s and at least one in mid week. So apart from keeping fit.
So over a monthly period at £35 a game can pay the odd house hold bill also, and good luck to them.
When I was refereeing, I was once reported to County FA by a club for intimidating their players and supporters can you believe, and when I had to attend a Hearing to defend these ridiculous allegations.
I just stared at them all until they apologised.
So referees deserve every penny, whether they are good or not very good.
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Re: Don't blame the referee.
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2018, 04:36:26 PM »
Confused, are you suggesting that some people questioned the four minutes added time? I think there was nearly 5 1/2 played in the end, have to watch the replay again. Everybody is disappointed by the result, but as most people have said a draw was a fair result!!

Did you check to see if the coin they tossed up with to choose ends or kick off, was Double Headed.