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The Official Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread 2018/19

Started by Mince n Tatties, May 17, 2018, 05:58:05 PM

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MJG

Quote from: twang on June 13, 2018, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: Count Flapula on June 13, 2018, 02:29:17 PM
Quote from: twang on June 13, 2018, 01:37:45 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on June 13, 2018, 01:29:15 PM
Ayes bid turned down!!!

What do they want 10 million???? Is he worth it?



Nope, time to walk away.

£10m for a RW who scored 11 goals in the Prem is not bad business.

He played most games up front for Swansea and scored 7 in 36 Prem games. He's a decent player but for £10m+ we should be getting more than that.
only 22 players scored ten or more in the league. Its a small pool of players who get to double figures and of those 22 there are 15 of them who play for top six sides. I'd say 7-10 for a lower half team in PL and a player who moves around positions is not bad.

Edit... Of the 36 players who scored more than him, 22 are in top six sides. If I wasn't on my phone I'd list the others to see who we think we could get. I might do it later.
Just the views of a long term fan

Tabby

West Ham have allegedly bid somewhere between €15-20 million for Issa Diop. That price seems more manageable than the £26 million that were touted earlier.

West Ham have a history of making derisory bids that'll get knocked back in order to keep their fans happy though.

twang

Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: twang on June 13, 2018, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: Count Flapula on June 13, 2018, 02:29:17 PM
Quote from: twang on June 13, 2018, 01:37:45 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on June 13, 2018, 01:29:15 PM
Ayes bid turned down!!!

What do they want 10 million???? Is he worth it?



Nope, time to walk away.

£10m for a RW who scored 11 goals in the Prem is not bad business.

He played most games up front for Swansea and scored 7 in 36 Prem games. He's a decent player but for £10m+ we should be getting more than that.
only 22 players scored ten or more in the league. Its a small pool of players who get to double figures and of those 22 there are 15 of them who play for top six sides. I'd say 7-10 for a lower half team in PL and a player who moves around positions is not bad.

Edit... Of the 36 players who scored more than him, 22 are in top six sides. If I wasn't on my phone I'd list the others to see who we think we could get. I might do it later.

I haven't said that it's a bad return. I said he's a decent player. But he's never been prolific, not even in France. So based on his history, 7 goals is what you can expect from Ayew when he has performed very well. In comparison he scored 3 goals last season in a total of 35 games (21 Championship and 14 Premier League matches). So to spend a pretty large amount of our budget on a player with a peak that modest wouldn't be good business IMHO.


Fernhurst

Hmmm interesting debate,,,,,, I'd definitely try 9 mill
The atmosphere's fresh and the debate lively.

Milo

Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: twang on June 13, 2018, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: Count Flapula on June 13, 2018, 02:29:17 PM
Quote from: twang on June 13, 2018, 01:37:45 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on June 13, 2018, 01:29:15 PM
Ayes bid turned down!!!

What do they want 10 million???? Is he worth it?



Nope, time to walk away.

£10m for a RW who scored 11 goals in the Prem is not bad business.

He played most games up front for Swansea and scored 7 in 36 Prem games. He's a decent player but for £10m+ we should be getting more than that.
only 22 players scored ten or more in the league. Its a small pool of players who get to double figures and of those 22 there are 15 of them who play for top six sides. I'd say 7-10 for a lower half team in PL and a player who moves around positions is not bad.

Edit... Of the 36 players who scored more than him, 22 are in top six sides. If I wasn't on my phone I'd list the others to see who we think we could get. I might do it later.

Would be interesting.

I liked the "buy all the best players in the league" plan from Rigg a few years ago. The foundations of our team going up this year came from that transfer window.

Can we do something similar with lower half of Prem or are the costs just too high?

MJG

Quote from: twang on June 13, 2018, 03:33:52 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: twang on June 13, 2018, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: Count Flapula on June 13, 2018, 02:29:17 PM
Quote from: twang on June 13, 2018, 01:37:45 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on June 13, 2018, 01:29:15 PM
Ayes bid turned down!!!

What do they want 10 million???? Is he worth it?



Nope, time to walk away.

£10m for a RW who scored 11 goals in the Prem is not bad business.

He played most games up front for Swansea and scored 7 in 36 Prem games. He's a decent player but for £10m+ we should be getting more than that.
only 22 players scored ten or more in the league. Its a small pool of players who get to double figures and of those 22 there are 15 of them who play for top six sides. I'd say 7-10 for a lower half team in PL and a player who moves around positions is not bad.

Edit... Of the 36 players who scored more than him, 22 are in top six sides. If I wasn't on my phone I'd list the others to see who we think we could get. I might do it later.

I haven't said that it's a bad return. I said he's a decent player. But he's never been prolific, not even in France. So based on his history, 7 goals is what you can expect from Ayew when he has performed very well. In comparison he scored 3 goals last season in a total of 35 games (21 Championship and 14 Premier League matches). So to spend a pretty large amount of our budget on a player with a peak that modest wouldn't be good business IMHO.
I'm with you on all of that, but I'll revert to a line I'm repeating on here... For a bog standard PL player, it's 8-10m almost as a starting point. I'd say he's bang on the bog standard scale.
Just the views of a long term fan


Tabby

Quote from: Milo on June 13, 2018, 03:42:02 PM
Would be interesting.

I liked the "buy all the best players in the league" plan from Rigg a few years ago. The foundations of our team going up this year came from that transfer window.

Can we do something similar with lower half of Prem or are the costs just too high?

We are probably worse off financially than most of the lower half of the Prem, so I don't see how we'd manage it.

twang

Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: twang on June 13, 2018, 03:33:52 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: twang on June 13, 2018, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: Count Flapula on June 13, 2018, 02:29:17 PM
Quote from: twang on June 13, 2018, 01:37:45 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on June 13, 2018, 01:29:15 PM
Ayes bid turned down!!!

What do they want 10 million???? Is he worth it?



Nope, time to walk away.

£10m for a RW who scored 11 goals in the Prem is not bad business.

He played most games up front for Swansea and scored 7 in 36 Prem games. He's a decent player but for £10m+ we should be getting more than that.
only 22 players scored ten or more in the league. Its a small pool of players who get to double figures and of those 22 there are 15 of them who play for top six sides. I'd say 7-10 for a lower half team in PL and a player who moves around positions is not bad.

Edit... Of the 36 players who scored more than him, 22 are in top six sides. If I wasn't on my phone I'd list the others to see who we think we could get. I might do it later.

I haven't said that it's a bad return. I said he's a decent player. But he's never been prolific, not even in France. So based on his history, 7 goals is what you can expect from Ayew when he has performed very well. In comparison he scored 3 goals last season in a total of 35 games (21 Championship and 14 Premier League matches). So to spend a pretty large amount of our budget on a player with a peak that modest wouldn't be good business IMHO.
I'm with you on all of that, but I'll revert to a line I'm repeating on here... For a bog standard PL player, it's 8-10m almost as a starting point. I'd say he's bang on the bog standard scale.

Indeed. And I guess my point is to either aim higher and pay more for someone better or to take a punt on someone with a bigger potential success for either the same money or even cheaper.

MJG

So the players who scored more than Ayew last season and not in the top 6...realistic targets any of them? A couple for sure may be possible.
Was 15 in the end so slightly miscounted before.

Vardy-20
Mahrez-12
Murray-12
Arnautovic-11
Milivojevic-10
Rooney-10
Wood-10
Barnes-9
Zaha-9
Chicharito-8
King-8
Niasse-8
Perez-8
Shaqiri-8
Wilson-8
Just the views of a long term fan


MJG

I think one lesson from that is....forget the 20 goal a season man, can we get a 10-12 one.
Just the views of a long term fan

LVBPTS

Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 04:01:35 PM
I think one lesson from that is....forget the 20 goal a season man, can we get a 10-12 one.

that would leave;
Mahrez-12           £75m to man city
Murray-12           too old for our recruitment
Arnautovic-11       £50 to man utd
Milivojevic-10       No chance
Rooney-10            £350k a week
Wood-10               scored most of them in the championship didnt he?

all of a sudden, Ayew looks like a great option at £8m
Supporter since 2000

MJG

Quote from: corbs83 on June 13, 2018, 04:05:28 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 04:01:35 PM
I think one lesson from that is....forget the 20 goal a season man, can we get a 10-12 one.

that would leave;
Mahrez-12           £75m to man city
Murray-12           too old for our recruitment
Arnautovic-11       £50 to man utd
Milivojevic-10       No chance
Rooney-10            £350k a week
Wood-10               scored most of them in the championship didnt he?

all of a sudden, Ayew looks like a great option at £8m
I have to admit as I put this together i thought WTF, how hard is this going to be?
Just the views of a long term fan


LVBPTS

Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 04:07:25 PM
Quote from: corbs83 on June 13, 2018, 04:05:28 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 04:01:35 PM
I think one lesson from that is....forget the 20 goal a season man, can we get a 10-12 one.

that would leave;
Mahrez-12           £75m to man city
Murray-12           too old for our recruitment
Arnautovic-11       £50 to man utd
Milivojevic-10       No chance
Rooney-10            £350k a week
Wood-10               scored most of them in the championship didnt he?

all of a sudden, Ayew looks like a great option at £8m
I have to admit as I put this together i thought WTF, how hard is this going to be?

puts a lot into perspective doesnt it for all those saying we should be aiming higher. i am in the camp of sign Ayew
Supporter since 2000

Rambler

West Ham have AGREED a deal for Diop, what was the quoted fee? ?15 mil. Worth a punt, especially if Callum Chambers is £22mil, whom I don't really rate

Porthogs FC

Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 04:07:25 PM
Quote from: corbs83 on June 13, 2018, 04:05:28 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 04:01:35 PM
I think one lesson from that is....forget the 20 goal a season man, can we get a 10-12 one.

that would leave;
Mahrez-12           £75m to man city
Murray-12           too old for our recruitment
Arnautovic-11       £50 to man utd
Milivojevic-10       No chance
Rooney-10            £350k a week
Wood-10               scored most of them in the championship didnt he?

all of a sudden, Ayew looks like a great option at £8m
I have to admit as I put this together i thought WTF, how hard is this going to be?

And it makes landing Mitrovic all that more important, even at the $25M range.


LVBPTS

Quote from: Porthogs FC on June 13, 2018, 04:09:02 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 04:07:25 PM
Quote from: corbs83 on June 13, 2018, 04:05:28 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 04:01:35 PM
I think one lesson from that is....forget the 20 goal a season man, can we get a 10-12 one.

that would leave;
Mahrez-12           £75m to man city
Murray-12           too old for our recruitment
Arnautovic-11       £50 to man utd
Milivojevic-10       No chance
Rooney-10            £350k a week
Wood-10               scored most of them in the championship didnt he?

all of a sudden, Ayew looks like a great option at £8m
I have to admit as I put this together i thought WTF, how hard is this going to be?

And it makes landing Mitrovic all that more important, even at the $25M range.

realistically, i would say get them both
Supporter since 2000

Deeping_white

Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 04:00:23 PM
So the players who scored more than Ayew last season and not in the top 6...realistic targets any of them? A couple for sure may be possible.
Was 15 in the end so slightly miscounted before.

Vardy-20
Mahrez-12
Murray-12
Arnautovic-11
Milivojevic-10
Rooney-10
Wood-10
Barnes-9
Zaha-9
Chicharito-8
King-8
Niasse-8
Perez-8
Shaqiri-8
Wilson-8


Also worth pointing out that several players on that list, aside from being unaffordable, aren't even strikers so wouldn't even solve the striker issue. I think we need to look at it the same way we've done in the past two seasons and have a number of players who can get close to 10 this season. Look at how few goals our top scorer had when we finished sixth compared to the amount we scored as a team, and the same last season. If we keep a front three as we usually do, then as long as the three of them collectively chip in with goals and assists, we'll be okay. That's why I think Ayew isn't a bad shout in the first place, added to the fact that £8m his price is average (although I wouldn't pay £15m as Swansea seem to want and would gamble on a foreign import instead)

MJG

Quote from: Deeping_white on June 13, 2018, 04:12:48 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 04:00:23 PM
So the players who scored more than Ayew last season and not in the top 6...realistic targets any of them? A couple for sure may be possible.
Was 15 in the end so slightly miscounted before.

Vardy-20
Mahrez-12
Murray-12
Arnautovic-11
Milivojevic-10
Rooney-10
Wood-10
Barnes-9
Zaha-9
Chicharito-8
King-8
Niasse-8
Perez-8
Shaqiri-8
Wilson-8


Also worth pointing out that several players on that list, aside from being unaffordable, aren't even strikers so wouldn't even solve the striker issue. I think we need to look at it the same way we've done in the past two seasons and have a number of players who can get close to 10 this season. Look at how few goals our top scorer had when we finished sixth compared to the amount we scored as a team, and the same last season. If we keep a front three as we usually do, then as long as the three of them collectively chip in with goals and assists, we'll be okay. That's why I think Ayew isn't a bad shout in the first place, added to the fact that £8m his price is average (although I wouldn't pay £15m as Swansea seem to want and would gamble on a foreign import instead)
Totally agree. And yes of course not all strikers but did it also to show how rare they are who get those goals.
Just the views of a long term fan


twang

Quote from: corbs83 on June 13, 2018, 04:08:18 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 04:07:25 PM
Quote from: corbs83 on June 13, 2018, 04:05:28 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 04:01:35 PM
I think one lesson from that is....forget the 20 goal a season man, can we get a 10-12 one.

that would leave;
Mahrez-12           £75m to man city
Murray-12           too old for our recruitment
Arnautovic-11       £50 to man utd
Milivojevic-10       No chance
Rooney-10            £350k a week
Wood-10               scored most of them in the championship didnt he?

all of a sudden, Ayew looks like a great option at £8m
I have to admit as I put this together i thought WTF, how hard is this going to be?

puts a lot into perspective doesnt it for all those saying we should be aiming higher. i am in the camp of sign Ayew

Why does it put things into perspective? 'Aim higher' doesn't equal 'Sign someone who scored more goals in the same league'. There are better players and other leagues out there. Especially if we're talking about someone that's mainly going to play RW as Mitro surely must be everyone's preferred striker choice.

LVBPTS

Quote from: twang on June 13, 2018, 04:18:55 PM
Quote from: corbs83 on June 13, 2018, 04:08:18 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 04:07:25 PM
Quote from: corbs83 on June 13, 2018, 04:05:28 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 13, 2018, 04:01:35 PM
I think one lesson from that is....forget the 20 goal a season man, can we get a 10-12 one.

that would leave;
Mahrez-12           £75m to man city
Murray-12           too old for our recruitment
Arnautovic-11       £50 to man utd
Milivojevic-10       No chance
Rooney-10            £350k a week
Wood-10               scored most of them in the championship didnt he?

all of a sudden, Ayew looks like a great option at £8m
I have to admit as I put this together i thought WTF, how hard is this going to be?

puts a lot into perspective doesnt it for all those saying we should be aiming higher. i am in the camp of sign Ayew

Why does it put things into perspective? 'Aim higher' doesn't equal 'Sign someone who scored more goals in the same league'. There are better players and other leagues out there. Especially if we're talking about someone that's mainly going to play RW as Mitro surely must be everyone's preferred striker choice.

perspective of what a 11 goal premier league tested player will cost......
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