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Re: Calum Chambers
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2018, 10:01:23 AM »
Chambers long term future is probably at CB, but he is worth to much to the team at the moment in midfield.

Anguissa could easily play the Chambers role, basically run a lot and get the ball clear when necessary.

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Re: Calum Chambers
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2018, 10:35:07 AM »
To me this thread is a regurgitation of the R Sessegnon at left back or left midfield arguments of last year now related to both Odoi and Chambers.  If football is a simple game as we learned from Mr Hodgson then you do what works and only tinker when it doesn't work any longer.  Our defensive problems start from losing the ball with opponents in space and so what needs to be worked on is the marking of the spaces that opponents may exploit.  That was the issue Jokanovic had throughout and it is now Ranieri's issue.  It is also perhaps the reason why Ream was so masterful last season because he learned through error where to be when attacks broke down.

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Re: Calum Chambers
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2018, 12:08:21 PM »
Thought he was rubbish playing in the back 4 but a revelation in midfield, got a good shot on him and he nearly always is on target


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Re: Calum Chambers
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2018, 12:50:00 PM »
The big question for me is this: Would he be better at CB now too, after he's had some time to settle in? I really don't think we should judge his potential at CB from those terrible first games. He was thrown straight into the starting 11 within hours of arriving at the club.

I'm a big fan of Odoi but he really isn't a CB. I would love to see more of Odoi at RB. So how about:

Odoi - Chambers - Mawson - Bryan

But then again, it would be a really tough decision to move Chambers from DM after his great performances there. It would be a way to get Anguissa into the starting 11 without sacrificing Chambers though...

I think that Chambers may wort out well at CB. However, neither KMac nor Anguissa has impressed me so far this season, so very much prefer to keep Chambers in midfield.

I also never understand why people keep saying that Odoi is not really a CB. There is not only one particular type of player that can perform at CB. Odoi is in fact being paid big money for playing CB in one of the best leagues in the world, and in my opinion is more than holding his own. Just because he used to play fullback doesn't mean that he is not also a CB now. You are not born within a given position, and neither is it impossible to be able to play multiple positions.

I agree and stand corrected. I was way off when saying Odoi isn't a CB. He has adapted really well and has performed far above expectations in that role. Bad choice of words on my behalf. I really just tried to say that I think he is better at RB. His best performances for us has been at RB IMO. But he never seems to get the chance at RB unless someone is injured or suspended. I'm not saying Christie is poor, I think he has improved a lot over the last couple of months. But he will need a rest at some point and Odoi-Chambers-Mawson-Bryan looks like a very interesting option.

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Re: Calum Chambers
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2018, 12:56:52 PM »
Maybe people should try and not jump to conclusions based on nothing. It is perfectly possible that Parker was involved in placing Chambers in midfield in the first place, just as it is possible that it was fully Joka's idea. Or more likely a combination.

Sorry but if you're going to tell people not to "jump to conclusions based on nothing", then you can't say this idea was "more likely a combination" of Parker and Jonsnovic. There is absolutely zero evidence of it being anyone's idea but Joka's. I suppose there is a chance Parker contributed to the idea, but no more than there is a chance that Jean Seri or the Duchess of Cambridge had the idea. 
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Re: Calum Chambers
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2018, 01:00:29 PM »
If it's not broke - don't fix it. Chambers looked awful in the back 4 for us and has been a revelation in the DM role. Why change that when we badly need a good standard premiership experienced DM. Some of the best players have found their niche in a position not deemd their natural one. Moussa Dembele was bought as a forward/winger before converting to midfield made him 3 times the player, Nick Cusack was a far better midfielder AND centre back than he was CF as he was purchased as, going football wide it's littered with top class players who only really impressed when changing position, Gareth Bale started as a fullback at Spurs, Henry a flatering winger in serie A to one of the best strikers to grace the premier, Mascherano from a midfielder to accomplished centre back in La Liga, Cardiff signed Calum Paterson as a fullback is another one - he scored against us this season playing up front - there's tons of examples at all levels of football - Chambers is young still and has the attributes to excel there. Problem is that Arsenal will want him back to play that role for them!


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Re: Calum Chambers
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2018, 01:08:45 PM »
Chambers long term future is probably at CB, but he is worth to much to the team at the moment in midfield.

Anguissa could easily play the Chambers role, basically run a lot and get the ball clear when necessary.

I think you're undervaluing Chambers. He has good positioning which allows him to get lots of interceptions in and put A LOT of tackles in.

Anguissa could be great and I think he will become a good player, but that role is Chambers' to lose.

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Re: Calum Chambers
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2018, 01:15:33 PM »
We should give Joka credit for seeing his potential in midfield, just like Jol saw potential for Dembele in midfield. Two managers who struggled badly at the end but did make that contribution.
It was said on another thread the credit should go to Parker, the question is why did Jocanovic not see it earlier.

All that was said on the other thread was the Ranieri quote, “I spoke with Scott Parker and he told me [Chambers] could play there”

So it seems Scott Parker did indeed have a brilliant, original, insprired idea to suggest playing Chambers in midfield, but he had that idea AFTER the Liverpool match

Well done Scott, you've justified your wages this week!!

Yes, when the inspired works, there is such a long queue of people claiming that they had the inspiration 'first!'..... and always after the event.....
Parker has not claimed anything, Ranieri stated he asked Parker about it, and he told him he could play there.

But, Ranieri was at the Liverpool game, and had also seen every Fulham game this season.  What was the point of the quoted question therefore????????
Well ask Ranieri why he said it, or we just pick on Parker for the sake of it.

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Re: Calum Chambers
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2018, 01:27:39 PM »
Maybe people should try and not jump to conclusions based on nothing. It is perfectly possible that Parker was involved in placing Chambers in midfield in the first place, just as it is possible that it was fully Joka's idea. Or more likely a combination.

Sorry but if you're going to tell people not to "jump to conclusions based on nothing", then you can't say this idea was "more likely a combination" of Parker and Jonsnovic. There is absolutely zero evidence of it being anyone's idea but Joka's. I suppose there is a chance Parker contributed to the idea, but no more than there is a chance that Jean Seri or the Duchess of Cambridge had the idea.

I thought that it was clear from my post that in my opinion we could not have a clue. I should have better pointed out that it is in my opinion likely that the Head coach and assistant coach talk about these things a lot, and that it therefore is (also in my opinion) likely that both of them (as well as others) were involved at least to some degree. Things usually don't happen in isolation, and regardless of us not knowing, it is not in my opinion unreasonable to assume that it is more likely that Parker was involved than for example the Duchess of Cambridge. To be honest, as far as I know there is actually not any evidence that the idea was Joka's either, unless it was stated somewhere (?). There is only evidence that Joka decided to play him there, regardless of who came up with the idea. Maybe it was the Duchess after all.

Further, I am all for people speculating on who came up with the idea, but the "jump to conclusion" part was more directed towards the fact that some posters had a dig at Parker for taking credit when there is a) no evidence that he tried to take credit and b) not at all out of the realm of possibilities that Parker played a big part in Chambers ending up in midfield.

To conclude, I do not believe that I contradicted myself at all, but I humbly apologize if it came across that way. What I wanted to advocate was merely a more balance approach. I will try to be clearer going forward.
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Re: Calum Chambers
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2018, 01:34:15 PM »
I would like to point out, part of the reason he was crap at CB for us was because Jokanović played him and Mawson the wrong way around.

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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2018, 01:36:33 PM »
The big question for me is this: Would he be better at CB now too, after he's had some time to settle in? I really don't think we should judge his potential at CB from those terrible first games. He was thrown straight into the starting 11 within hours of arriving at the club.

I'm a big fan of Odoi but he really isn't a CB. I would love to see more of Odoi at RB. So how about:

Odoi - Chambers - Mawson - Bryan

But then again, it would be a really tough decision to move Chambers from DM after his great performances there. It would be a way to get Anguissa into the starting 11 without sacrificing Chambers though...

I think that Chambers may wort out well at CB. However, neither KMac nor Anguissa has impressed me so far this season, so very much prefer to keep Chambers in midfield.

I also never understand why people keep saying that Odoi is not really a CB. There is not only one particular type of player that can perform at CB. Odoi is in fact being paid big money for playing CB in one of the best leagues in the world, and in my opinion is more than holding his own. Just because he used to play fullback doesn't mean that he is not also a CB now. You are not born within a given position, and neither is it impossible to be able to play multiple positions.

I agree and stand corrected. I was way off when saying Odoi isn't a CB. He has adapted really well and has performed far above expectations in that role. Bad choice of words on my behalf. I really just tried to say that I think he is better at RB. His best performances for us has been at RB IMO. But he never seems to get the chance at RB unless someone is injured or suspended. I'm not saying Christie is poor, I think he has improved a lot over the last couple of months. But he will need a rest at some point and Odoi-Chambers-Mawson-Bryan looks like a very interesting option.

Fair enough, and I see where you're coming from. Would also be interested to see Odoi at fullback, but hesitant to drop him from CB at the moment. It finally starts to look likely that we will actually keep a clean sheet soon.

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Re: Calum Chambers
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2018, 01:48:40 PM »
Still find it mad that some would move a player from a position in which he is playing very well to another position in which he has played terribly

As i just said on anther thread, he has played more career games at RB than CB, and plenty at DM before coming to Fulham, so this idea that he is a centre back is a bit of a fallacy.

Also it's not like he was terrible at CB for 45 or 90 minutes, it was 3+ games, which is a decent run, and he wasn't just poor, but consistently awful in that position

It's not as if we have better DM options. Anguissa, even if he does come good (still a big 'IF') cannot play there on his own so we may need another DM alongside him anyway.

And Most would agree that McDonald is no better in DM than Odoi is at CB, so even if you could improve the back 4 by replacing Odoi, you create a new problem but putting McDonald in the starting XI.