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When To Appoint The New Manager

Started by filham, March 15, 2019, 04:48:05 PM

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filham

Essential that our permanent new manager has the opportunity to have a good look at our existing players and a big input into the comings and goings over the summer which need to start early in June.

Surely then it makes sense to make the decision with three or for games left to play, we will by that time have had a good look at Scotty.

Horsfield_No9

You'd think but we've never done anything that sensible so don't see them doing that. I don't trust they will even start looking until the season is done and they have made a call on Parker.
First game: Fulham 4 Burnley 0, December 12th 1998.

The Enclosurite

Have to be already looking and appoint if the right man comes along, even they sit in the stands 'assessing' until the end of the season so can have a clean slate in May without being tainted by the inevitable relegation.

It's possible though that the right man wont be available until the season has ended so catch 22 but they definitely HAVE TO be already looking regardless.  Time is currently on our side but that will fly by as the season comes to a close.
¡COYW!


ALG01

this all pre supposes they have the first odea who they want. and this season is not over, appointing a new manager before the end would just be another chance to destabilise the squad. Let SP get to the end at least.

Woolly Mammoth

I am in no hurry to see a new manager installed or even on the horizon, let's see how Scott Parker with the help of his coaches manage the rest of the season.
There needs to be a time for reflection, and common sense must prevail. One step at a time, there are 8 games to go and 24 points to play for, and history to be rewritten.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

The Rational Fan

#5
I assume Scott Parker will want to see all the players impressing at training on the field at some stage  by the end of the season. And, I assume any manager taking the job will see all 60 hours play time before the start of the season, so it he won't miss much.

Any sane manager will probably only use players that didn't play football this year off the bench. Even Slavisa only used Mitro as a sub his first two games. Players like Matt Riley will probably play only pre-season and come on a few games when we are two goals up, until he proves himself.

We shouldn't rush the process Scott Parker can be a caretaker longer and the less transfers the DOF does the better.


..FOF..

I have no problem with Scott this season.

It is just that the computer better start spitting out proven names now for interviews, robotic excursions or whatever Tony have in mind.

I am not interested in having a new coach 2 months after the season starts.

RaySmith


Dodger53

The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.


Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

Statto

Quote from: ALG01 on March 15, 2019, 05:10:08 PM
this season is not over, appointing a new manager before the end would just be another chance to destabilise the squad.

Even with a "stable" team, we are going down and won't win a single game. What difference does it make?

As the OP said, the new manager needs to get to know the players, start persuading them to stay in some cases, decide who to offload, decide who we need to target in the summer, sack/appoint coaching staff, get the team to understand his tactics, plan pre-season, etc... All things that need to start in late April ideally

hovewhite

As mentioned in this thread unless a new DOF nothing changes.


Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: hovewhite on March 16, 2019, 12:49:46 PM
As mentioned in this thread unless a new DOF nothing changes.

and that is the biggest worry for me.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

filham

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Fully agree and the choice is obviously Kevin Keegan, MAF managed to get him to the Cottage, Khan should show that he too is capable of doing the same.

Woolly Mammoth

#14
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Fully agree and the choice is obviously Kevin Keegan, MAF managed to get him to the Cottage, Khan should show that he too is capable of doing the same.

It certainly needs to be addressed, otherwise we will have the same problems recycled, with a similar  outcome.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.


The Rational Fan

#15
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Fully agree and the choice is obviously Kevin Keegan, MAF managed to get him to the Cottage, Khan should show that he too is capable of doing the same.

Kevin Keegan was a financial disaster for Fulham, he massively overspent for promotion and the players he bought needed to be replaced within a few of years even though they were signed on long contracts.

Penfold

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 16, 2019, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Fully agree and the choice is obviously Kevin Keegan, MAF managed to get him to the Cottage, Khan should show that he too is capable of doing the same.

Kevin Keegan was a financial disaster for Fulham, he massively overspent for promotion and the players he bought needed to be replaced within a few of years even though they were signed on long contracts.


He wasn't really a financial disaster as at the time, money was no object.

Hasn't been involved in football a while so wouldn't be my choice as a new DOF. However, we need a new one asap.

MikeTheCubed

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 16, 2019, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Fully agree and the choice is obviously Kevin Keegan, MAF managed to get him to the Cottage, Khan should show that he too is capable of doing the same.

Kevin Keegan was a financial disaster for Fulham, he massively overspent for promotion and the players he bought needed to be replaced within a few of years


Although I am not agreeing that Keegan would be a good acquisition for us at this stage, I'd suggest this is far wide of the mark:

Barry Hayles - Helped fire us to promotion to the Premier League, where he proved to be an effective enough player.
Steve Finnan - Won the Champions League with Liverpool. Sold for a significant profit.
Rufus Brevett - One of the best left backs in the division during our promotion to the Premier League, where he proved to be an effective enough player. "Lifted" the Intertoto cup for us.
Geoff Horsfield - Departed after finishing the previous season as our top scorer. Sold for a significant profit, which paved the way for Louis Saha.
Kit Symons - Part of our back line which got promoted to the Premier League.
Chris Coleman - Captained the dominant first half of our Division One promotion winning campaign. We'll never know how he'd have fared in the Premier League if not for the unfortunate accident.
Maik Taylor - Proved to be an effective Premier League goalkeeper. Sold for a significant profit.

Granted we blew every other team in Division Two out of the water in terms of how much we spent, and there were some expensive mistakes, but the signings listed above were remarkably shrewd.


Penfold

Quote from: MikeTheCubed on March 16, 2019, 11:41:34 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 16, 2019, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Fully agree and the choice is obviously Kevin Keegan, MAF managed to get him to the Cottage, Khan should show that he too is capable of doing the same.

Kevin Keegan was a financial disaster for Fulham, he massively overspent for promotion and the players he bought needed to be replaced within a few of years


Although I am not agreeing that Keegan would be a good acquisition for us at this stage, I'd suggest this is far wide of the mark:

Barry Hayles - Helped fire us to promotion to the Premier League, where he proved to be an effective enough player.
Steve Finnan - Won the Champions League with Liverpool. Sold for a significant profit.
Rufus Brevett - One of the best left backs in the division during our promotion to the Premier League, where he proved to be an effective enough player. "Lifted" the Intertoto cup for us.
Geoff Horsfield - Departed after finishing the previous season as our top scorer. Sold for a significant profit, which paved the way for Louis Saha.
Kit Symons - Part of our back line which got promoted to the Premier League.
Chris Coleman - Captained the dominant first half of our Division One promotion winning campaign. We'll never know how he'd have fared in the Premier League if not for the unfortunate accident.
Maik Taylor - Proved to be an effective Premier League goalkeeper. Sold for a significant profit.

Granted we blew every other team in Division Two out of the water in terms of how much we spent, and there were some expensive mistakes, but the signings listed above were remarkably shrewd.

I was going to go through the 1998/99 squad but you've saved me some time. Yes, some flops but all the players you've mentioned made significant contributions post 1998/99.

The Rational Fan

#19
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on March 16, 2019, 11:41:34 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 16, 2019, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Fully agree and the choice is obviously Kevin Keegan, MAF managed to get him to the Cottage, Khan should show that he too is capable of doing the same.

Kevin Keegan was a financial disaster for Fulham, he massively overspent for promotion and the players he bought needed to be replaced within a few of years


Although I am not agreeing that Keegan would be a good acquisition for us at this stage, I'd suggest this is far wide of the mark:

Barry Hayles - Helped fire us to promotion to the Premier League, where he proved to be an effective enough player.
Steve Finnan - Won the Champions League with Liverpool. Sold for a significant profit.
Rufus Brevett - One of the best left backs in the division during our promotion to the Premier League, where he proved to be an effective enough player. "Lifted" the Intertoto cup for us.
Geoff Horsfield - Departed after finishing the previous season as our top scorer. Sold for a significant profit, which paved the way for Louis Saha.
Kit Symons - Part of our back line which got promoted to the Premier League.
Chris Coleman - Captained the dominant first half of our Division One promotion winning campaign. We'll never know how he'd have fared in the Premier League if not for the unfortunate accident.
Maik Taylor - Proved to be an effective Premier League goalkeeper. Sold for a significant profit.

Granted we blew every other team in Division Two out of the water in terms of how much we spent, and there were some expensive mistakes, but the signings listed above were remarkably shrewd.

Yes everything you say is correct, but according to annual reports we made a huge losses and once Tigana took over, he was begging for more money than the previous five year plan. Most Football Managers idea of a good investment is signing Gary Cahill and Victor Moses on a five-year contract (with someone elses money), having a great escape getting praised and before they become lead weights leaving to Roma.

Normally, the club that he left has a new manager that wants to invest in a new five year plan, with promises of profits in five years time. MAF, Newcastle and Sunderland all followed this model, but owners are losing faith in people especially those that want to leave as soon as they have success.