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Betts is shocking

Started by DevonFFC, September 14, 2019, 02:10:35 PM

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Skatzoffc

Quote from: Southcoastffc on September 14, 2019, 07:27:12 PM
Betts is not THE reason we dropped 2 points today.  TC missed a sitter; Mitro headed over from a reasonably straightforward 2nd half chance; Cav and Knocky didn't do themselves justice.  We win together, lose together and draw together.

:plus one:
Siblings, let us not be down on it.
One total catastrophe like this...is just the beginning !

Singding

Just seen it, blatant foul! You jump to deal with a cross and get pushed in the chest, you're bound to make a mess of the cross! Shocking to hear people slagging him off for an incident which should have resulted in a yellow card for Austin, the dirty pr*ck. Yet again poor refereeing has cost us. If we had VAR this season we'd be at least five points better off.

COYW

Facts Not Fiction

Quote from: Singding on September 14, 2019, 09:42:24 PM
Just seen it, blatant foul! You jump to deal with a cross and get pushed in the chest, you're bound to make a mess of the cross! Shocking to hear people slagging him off for an incident which should have resulted in a yellow card for Austin, the dirty pr*ck. Yet again poor refereeing has cost us. If we had VAR this season we'd be at least five points better off.

COYW

So incredibly wrong. Ref was absolutely fine today. He's a weak goalkeeper, and needs to be dropped.


bill taylors apprentice

Quote from: Chesh on September 14, 2019, 06:25:03 PM
I remember back to the 15/16 season when he was all over the place during that end of season 4-3 win against Boro, and other games like Charlton away when he was appealing for offside as the Charlton player nipped in for the equaliser. The simple fact is that Bettenelli has never been a strong, reliable keeper and never will be. Its the club's fault though for never replacing him with an outright no. 1 years ago.

It tough as keeper when you make mistakes but those simple words sum up what he lacks and I doubt he has the personality or physical attributes to improve enough.

JEEVES

As much as I love Betts cos he's Fulham through and through I have to ask.. out of our starting line up who is our weakest player? I bet if we held a poll Betts would win hands down.

My dad went to see fulham vs soton recently and said Rodak was quality but said his downfall was his distribution. This must be the only thing keeping him out of our team because it's pretty important when you play out from the back but to be honest he must be pretty rubbish with his feet if he's worse than Betts.

..FOF..

Quote from: Andy S on September 14, 2019, 06:02:37 PM
Totally agree the witch hunts on here are scandalous. I hope Betts retains his place as will most of the players

You see it that way, I see it as a way to upgrade the position's competition.

Betts have shown in the past that if something drastic was done to his career, he can wake up and snatch back his rightful status.


Statto

Quote from: Southcoastffc on September 14, 2019, 07:27:12 PM
Betts is not THE reason we dropped 2 points today.  TC missed a sitter; Mitro headed over from a reasonably straightforward 2nd half chance; Cav and Knocky didn't do themselves justice.  We win together, lose together and draw together.

Fine but I reckon we'll win more if we're together with Rodak

AnOldBrownie

Quote from: Southcoastffc on September 14, 2019, 07:27:12 PM
Betts is not THE reason we dropped 2 points today.  TC missed a sitter; Mitro headed over from a reasonably straightforward 2nd half chance; Cav and Knocky didn't do themselves justice.  We win together, lose together and draw together.
Let's not forget the foul in the box on Bobby that wasn't given.

Betts needs to be better...but so does the rest of the team.

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Mince n Tatties

Quote from: Singding on September 14, 2019, 09:42:24 PM
Just seen it, blatant foul! You jump to deal with a cross and get pushed in the chest, you're bound to make a mess of the cross! Shocking to hear people slagging him off for an incident which should have resulted in a yellow card for Austin, the dirty pr*ck. Yet again poor refereeing has cost us. If we had VAR this season we'd be at least five points better off.

COYW

Don't talk twaddle.
I was a keeper,so I always defend them,All he had to do was tip it back over the bar for another corner.
Of course Austin is going to challenge for it that's s strikers job,Betts was weak in the situation I'm afraid.
I did say in the summer we needed to maybe buy another keeper.


junior white

Quote from: Andy S on September 14, 2019, 06:02:37 PM
Totally agree the witch hunts on here are scandalous. I hope Betts retains his place as will most of the players
As was the scandalous witch hunt against Rico last year ;)

Nero

Reading the comments on here its like a player cant have a loss of form, we keep throwing away points to simple deal with ball. As for it was a foul on Betts I'm sure Austin would say he pushed me first so it should have been a penalty.

Whitestone

Austin clearly has his left arm across Betts right arm which would have made it difficult for Betts. Maybe he could have been a bit stronger but I can understand why he was arguing for a foul.


toshes mate

I suppose the doom and gloom merchants were entitled to have a field day after yesterday's loss of two points from a contest with a side rapidly becoming the division's draw specialists, but the reality is that this game gave the more profound supporter something of a clue about the rest of the season.  And that clue was entirely positive.

On the face of it the cynics may look at Bettinelli's off balance attempt at diverting a cross cum shot whilst being impeded by Austin, but 'where was the defensive cover?' would be my concern about that.  The cynics may also question decision making among forwards who seemingly all wanted to score wonder goals rather than penetrate and destroy their opponents.   Knockaert, our goal hero, appeared guilty as charged for much of the game but that is what you should expect from him every game.  That is his DNA and it is that that makes him such a dangerous player. 

Cairney, who does do wonder goals very well at times, was a bit unfortunate to see his effort rattle the crossbar.  And of course there was the fortuitous WBA boot in their penalty area diverting the ball inches over which would probably have ended up in the net had it been at the other end.  Sessegnon S. doesn't have his brother's calmness and can get ruffled a little too easily as many a teenager can be.   Mawson is not performing as the defender he was claimed to be.   We are not using set pieces as well as we should be – we lack height and so we need to work on ways around that.  SP needs to keep doing whatever it is he is doing but with more intensity about what happens in the final thirds at both ends, and his tactical use of substitutes.

But the really hopeful clue was in the dynamic build ups and expressions that went with this side's attitude and dominance for large chunks of this game, especially in the goalless first half.  Just as the Millwall game was too easy and the Forest game demonstrated our naivety, yesterday's game proved that matches can sometimes prove to be just too elusive.  Other games will be more evenly contested and blessed in fortune but this team has shown it definitely has more than one gear and more than one route to goal.   And all this was achieved with a certain Mr Arter sitting in the Cottage.

And so, for me, yesterday was a good indication that, all things being equal, we will move steadily into the top three as the season progresses.   WBA meantime may be cursing their drawn games. 

Skatzoffc

  :plus one: Tosh

We will get stronger as the season progresses.
Long way to go.
Siblings, let us not be down on it.
One total catastrophe like this...is just the beginning !

Twig

Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 14, 2019, 09:44:22 PM
Quote from: Singding on September 14, 2019, 09:42:24 PM
Just seen it, blatant foul! You jump to deal with a cross and get pushed in the chest, you're bound to make a mess of the cross! Shocking to hear people slagging him off for an incident which should have resulted in a yellow card for Austin, the dirty pr*ck. Yet again poor refereeing has cost us. If we had VAR this season we'd be at least five points better off.

COYW

So incredibly wrong. Ref was absolutely fine today. He's a weak goalkeeper, and needs to be dropped.

It was a foul (whatever your opinion of Betts) so why is Singding "so incredibly wrong"?  Ok moot point as to whether it was a yellow, but a foul? Of course it was.


LittleErn

Quote from: bahay18 on September 14, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
he was actually having a good game until then . On the goal he decided to get in a fight with austin rather than watch the ball . Austin definitely shoved him but no chance the ref would see that . For sure he is running out of chances . That said , i think the manager was more at fault . We lost the midfield after 60 mins after their changes and we needed another tackler in the middle. Bobby reid wasn't in it and should have been  replaced . Could have also taken off knockhaert or cav , both stopped tracking back and went missing after we scored. Interesting knockhaert said after the game they thought it was game over at 1-0 and thats exactly what it looked like. Hopefully a bit of international week hangover and we get back to it next week.

+1 - Betts isn't a strong enough presence - though he is an integral part of our playing out from the back and does that well.

Southcoastffc

Quote from: toshes mate on September 15, 2019, 09:57:06 AM
I suppose the doom and gloom merchants were entitled to have a field day after yesterday's loss of two points from a contest with a side rapidly becoming the division's draw specialists, but the reality is that this game gave the more profound supporter something of a clue about the rest of the season.  And that clue was entirely positive.

On the face of it the cynics may look at Bettinelli's off balance attempt at diverting a cross cum shot whilst being impeded by Austin, but 'where was the defensive cover?' would be my concern about that.  The cynics may also question decision making among forwards who seemingly all wanted to score wonder goals rather than penetrate and destroy their opponents.   Knockaert, our goal hero, appeared guilty as charged for much of the game but that is what you should expect from him every game.  That is his DNA and it is that that makes him such a dangerous player. 

Cairney, who does do wonder goals very well at times, was a bit unfortunate to see his effort rattle the crossbar.  And of course there was the fortuitous WBA boot in their penalty area diverting the ball inches over which would probably have ended up in the net had it been at the other end.  Sessegnon S. doesn't have his brother's calmness and can get ruffled a little too easily as many a teenager can be.   Mawson is not performing as the defender he was claimed to be.   We are not using set pieces as well as we should be – we lack height and so we need to work on ways around that.  SP needs to keep doing whatever it is he is doing but with more intensity about what happens in the final thirds at both ends, and his tactical use of substitutes.

But the really hopeful clue was in the dynamic build ups and expressions that went with this side's attitude and dominance for large chunks of this game, especially in the goalless first half.  Just as the Millwall game was too easy and the Forest game demonstrated our naivety, yesterday's game proved that matches can sometimes prove to be just too elusive.  Other games will be more evenly contested and blessed in fortune but this team has shown it definitely has more than one gear and more than one route to goal.   And all this was achieved with a certain Mr Arter sitting in the Cottage.

And so, for me, yesterday was a good indication that, all things being equal, we will move steadily into the top three as the season progresses.   WBA meantime may be cursing their drawn games. 

Apart from the "more profound"  :plus one:
The world is made up of electrons, protons, neurons, possibly muons and, definitely, morons.

ALG01

seemed to me our forwards missed a hatful of chances that they really should have put away and betts was clearly inteferred with for their goal. he should have done better, for sure but it was the forwards not him that killed us for not being clinical.


Facts Not Fiction

Quote from: LittleErn on September 15, 2019, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: bahay18 on September 14, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
he was actually having a good game until then . On the goal he decided to get in a fight with austin rather than watch the ball . Austin definitely shoved him but no chance the ref would see that . For sure he is running out of chances . That said , i think the manager was more at fault . We lost the midfield after 60 mins after their changes and we needed another tackler in the middle. Bobby reid wasn't in it and should have been  replaced . Could have also taken off knockhaert or cav , both stopped tracking back and went missing after we scored. Interesting knockhaert said after the game they thought it was game over at 1-0 and thats exactly what it looked like. Hopefully a bit of international week hangover and we get back to it next week.

+1 - Betts isn't a strong enough presence - though he is an integral part of our playing out from the back and does that well.

His distribution is awful.

Southcoastffc

Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 15, 2019, 12:32:36 PM
Quote from: LittleErn on September 15, 2019, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: bahay18 on September 14, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
he was actually having a good game until then . On the goal he decided to get in a fight with austin rather than watch the ball . Austin definitely shoved him but no chance the ref would see that . For sure he is running out of chances . That said , i think the manager was more at fault . We lost the midfield after 60 mins after their changes and we needed another tackler in the middle. Bobby reid wasn't in it and should have been  replaced . Could have also taken off knockhaert or cav , both stopped tracking back and went missing after we scored. Interesting knockhaert said after the game they thought it was game over at 1-0 and thats exactly what it looked like. Hopefully a bit of international week hangover and we get back to it next week.

+1 - Betts isn't a strong enough presence - though he is an integral part of our playing out from the back and does that well.

His distribution is awful.
Really?   https://www.fulhamfc.com/first-team/2019_2020/league/home/west-bromwich-albion#matchstatistics
The world is made up of electrons, protons, neurons, possibly muons and, definitely, morons.