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Cyrus Christie

Started by Pluto, September 18, 2021, 05:51:38 PM

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Wingnut

Quote from: bobby01 on September 19, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
Every time we lose Odoi gets the blame. Always been the same.

Must be something to do with the position, because Cyrus gets the blame when he plays.
Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

filham

Odoi always puts in a good shift and has served us well , always prepared to play in the position he is needed and right now is not doing badly.
Before we make any judgements let us see putting in an appearance and a good performance against Leeds tomorrow night.

Mullers OG

I think Odoi is fine as a reserve right back (and useful as a reserve elsewhere if needed).  No-one disputes Tete is a far better right back but he's injured possibly for a long time.  Clearly the manager who sees all the players daily in training has formed the view that Odoi is the best of the available back ups and more suitable for the team than Christie, Fossey, Sess et al.  Others may have a different opinion but Silva seems to me to be a highly competent manager and I am prepared to accept his judgement.  Clubs like Fulham need solid faithful club players like Odoi.  We are lucky to have him around when needed.


Lordedmundo

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Quote from: Pluto on September 18, 2021, 05:51:38 PM
The club needs to resolve Cyrus' situation ASAP. He was handed a new contract in the summer after a fantastic season at Forest when he was one of their players of the season. With the ability to get forward and defend, he's a much better option than Odoi, who is a liability as a starter at this level. Yet we have Christie rotting in the reserves and are forced to make do without even having a full back on the bench. Odoi is fine as an emergency experienced utility guy, but he is so error prone and only ever passes it sideways to a centre back which doesn't work with our style. He should not be starting week in week out at 33 years old.

Ridiculous decision by the club to hand Christie a new deal with the expectation of being able to grind out a small fee for him. Now we are stuck paying him £20k a week to do nothing all season. It's just abysmal management. I don't blame him at all for refusing a move. If we wanted him gone, we should have done the right thing and let him walk for free.

Come on Fulham - sort this situation out so we can start with a Championship quality right back until Tete is back. Worst case scenario, he improves his value and we get a fee in January.

Personally I don't think Christie is all that good. Did he really have a 'fantastic season at Forest'? If he was one of their players of the season surely they would have signed him. I remember we when signed him - it was under the premise that he was a pacy wing back.  He doesn't have pace - can remember numerous instances in games where he has been caught up field and didn't have the legs to get back.

The problem is that we appear to have three 'back-up' right backs at the club who Silva does not trust to cover for Tete - hence he has chosen Odoi who is fine at this level, but obviously not a specialist right back.

Rather than Christie I would Fossey or Sessegnon a go tomorrow night -maybe 45mins each. I note that they both played in the under 23 match a few days ago.

Maidstone Lee

Quote from: Lordedmundo on September 20, 2021, 11:18:59 AM
Quote from: Pluto on September 18, 2021, 05:51:38 PM
The club needs to resolve Cyrus' situation ASAP. He was handed a new contract in the summer after a fantastic season at Forest when he was one of their players of the season. With the ability to get forward and defend, he's a much better option than Odoi, who is a liability as a starter at this level. Yet we have Christie rotting in the reserves and are forced to make do without even having a full back on the bench. Odoi is fine as an emergency experienced utility guy, but he is so error prone and only ever passes it sideways to a centre back which doesn't work with our style. He should not be starting week in week out at 33 years old.

Ridiculous decision by the club to hand Christie a new deal with the expectation of being able to grind out a small fee for him. Now we are stuck paying him £20k a week to do nothing all season. It's just abysmal management. I don't blame him at all for refusing a move. If we wanted him gone, we should have done the right thing and let him walk for free.

Come on Fulham - sort this situation out so we can start with a Championship quality right back until Tete is back. Worst case scenario, he improves his value and we get a fee in January.

Personally I don't think Christie is all that good. Did he really have a 'fantastic season at Forest'? If he was one of their players of the season surely they would have signed him. I remember we when signed him - it was under the premise that he way a pacy wing back.  He doesn't have pace - can remember numerous instances in games where he has been caught up field and didn't have the legs to get back.

The problem is that we appear to have three 'back-up' right backs at the club who Silva does not trust to cover for Tete - hence he has chosen Odoi who is fine at this level, but obviously not a specialist right back.

Rather than Christie I would Fossey or Sessegnon a go tomorrow night -maybe 45mins each. I note that they both played in the under 23 match a few days ago.


Fossey has played a few games for the U23's this season and looks like he is regaining his fitness. He can certainly get forward which is what we need, maybe a run out against Leeds would be a good shout.
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Quote from: HV71 on September 19, 2021, 05:41:13 AM
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on September 19, 2021, 02:38:54 AM
ODOI had a good game today and created
some good crosses and 'situations down the right wing


+1
totally agree, Pluto obviuosly doesnt watch the game very well, Dennis has been very good and scored as well


S.F.Sorrow

I don't understand all the criticism Odoi gets. We got him for practically nothing, he's on lower wages than most of our squad and he provides cover for RB, LB and CB. Of course he is a downgrade on Tete but we can't afford Premier League quality players as cover for every position in the Championship. Odoi is an extremely valuable asset in our squad. He has stayed loyal to the club even when he was out of the match day squad for long periods of time. He always puts in a shift, he keeps fit and is never injured and I've never seen him complain or show any signs of negativity towards the club or the fans. He stepped up and played out of position at CB when Kalas was injured and our recruitment team had failed to provide ANY cover in that position. At that point he had (to my knowledge) never played at CB before but he made that position his own and was an important player in our unbeaten run + promotion. Sure, he makes the occasional mistake (although not nearly as many as Ream...) but he has also given us moments that Fulham fans will never forget, like the goal against Derby or that moment of pure brilliance against Newcastle.

Anyone calling out for Christie must have short memories. He was absolutely thrashed on this forum the last time he played regularly for us. He had a decent season at Forest (after a poor start) but anyone who thinks he is an upgrade on Odoi should re-watch some of the games he played for us. I'm not saying Christie is useless. He is a decent Championship RB but I've never seen anything to suggest he is a significant upgrade on Odoi and I would prefer to keep Odoi match fit and happy rather than introduce Christie as the next scapegoat.

Ludlow Richard

Quote from: Deeping_white on September 19, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on September 19, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
Every time we lose Odoi gets the blame. Always been the same.

How do you explain every team attacking us down our right hand side since Tete got injured? Almost like teams know he's our weak link

The team should defend as a unit. As far as the right side is concerned, responsibility for defending is not just Odoi's; it was (on Saturday) also Wilson's, and from my perspective Wilson had a really poor game on Saturday. He certainly did little to help out defensively. Cavaleiro on the other hand put in a good defensive shift to help out Robinson.

bobby01

Quote from: Ludlow Richard on September 20, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 19, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on September 19, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
Every time we lose Odoi gets the blame. Always been the same.

How do you explain every team attacking us down our right hand side since Tete got injured? Almost like teams know he's our weak link

The team should defend as a unit. As far as the right side is concerned, responsibility for defending is not just Odoi's; it was (on Saturday) also Wilson's, and from my perspective Wilson had a really poor game on Saturday. He certainly did little to help out defensively. Cavaleiro on the other hand put in a good defensive shift to help out Robinson.


Actually the first goal on Saturday came down the opposite side, the whole defence had moved left as ream went out to the ball which left tosin and odoi covering the centre, he could not recover position to push the man outside.
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toshes mate

Quote from: Mullers OG on September 20, 2021, 10:54:40 AM
I think Odoi is fine as a reserve right back (and useful as a reserve elsewhere if needed).  No-one disputes Tete is a far better right back but he's injured possibly for a long time.  Clearly the manager who sees all the players daily in training has formed the view that Odoi is the best of the available back ups and more suitable for the team than Christie, Fossey, Sess et al.  Others may have a different opinion but Silva seems to me to be a highly competent manager and I am prepared to accept his judgement.  Clubs like Fulham need solid faithful club players like Odoi.  We are lucky to have him around when needed.
I concur wholeheartedly. 

Those who blame Denis Odoi for this, that and the other have been doing so for a long time and yet he is probably the best utility defender the Club has had in a long, long time and a bargain signing at any price.   For sure he is in the twilight of his career but why don't the Denis knockers channel their anger at Marco Silva and his coaching team for not seeing what they think he should be seeing.   So far as I can tell Denis is doing a professional job to the best of his ability as he always does and nobody can ask for more.

Twig

Quote from: toshes mate on September 20, 2021, 12:09:48 PM
Quote from: Mullers OG on September 20, 2021, 10:54:40 AM
I think Odoi is fine as a reserve right back (and useful as a reserve elsewhere if needed).  No-one disputes Tete is a far better right back but he's injured possibly for a long time.  Clearly the manager who sees all the players daily in training has formed the view that Odoi is the best of the available back ups and more suitable for the team than Christie, Fossey, Sess et al.  Others may have a different opinion but Silva seems to me to be a highly competent manager and I am prepared to accept his judgement.  Clubs like Fulham need solid faithful club players like Odoi.  We are lucky to have him around when needed.
I concur wholeheartedly. 

Those who blame Denis Odoi for this, that and the other have been doing so for a long time and yet he is probably the best utility defender the Club has had in a long, long time and a bargain signing at any price.   For sure he is in the twilight of his career but why don't the Denis knockers channel their anger at Marco Silva and his coaching team for not seeing what they think he should be seeing.   So far as I can tell Denis is doing a professional job to the best of his ability as he always does and nobody can ask for more.

Agree with you both

YoungsBitter

Quote from: Twig on September 20, 2021, 03:54:05 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 20, 2021, 12:09:48 PM
Quote from: Mullers OG on September 20, 2021, 10:54:40 AM
I think Odoi is fine as a reserve right back (and useful as a reserve elsewhere if needed).  No-one disputes Tete is a far better right back but he's injured possibly for a long time.  Clearly the manager who sees all the players daily in training has formed the view that Odoi is the best of the available back ups and more suitable for the team than Christie, Fossey, Sess et al.  Others may have a different opinion but Silva seems to me to be a highly competent manager and I am prepared to accept his judgement.  Clubs like Fulham need solid faithful club players like Odoi.  We are lucky to have him around when needed.
I concur wholeheartedly. 

Those who blame Denis Odoi for this, that and the other have been doing so for a long time and yet he is probably the best utility defender the Club has had in a long, long time and a bargain signing at any price.   For sure he is in the twilight of his career but why don't the Denis knockers channel their anger at Marco Silva and his coaching team for not seeing what they think he should be seeing.   So far as I can tell Denis is doing a professional job to the best of his ability as he always does and nobody can ask for more.

Agree with you both
We all like Dennis, however he just played 3 times in 8 days. We need some squad rotation and right back has to have another option, just in case Odoi gets injured.
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Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 20, 2021, 11:35:41 AM
I don't understand all the criticism Odoi gets. We got him for practically nothing, he's on lower wages than most of our squad and he provides cover for RB, LB and CB. Of course he is a downgrade on Tete but we can't afford Premier League quality players as cover for every position in the Championship. Odoi is an extremely valuable asset in our squad. He has stayed loyal to the club even when he was out of the match day squad for long periods of time. He always puts in a shift, he keeps fit and is never injured and I've never seen him complain or show any signs of negativity towards the club or the fans. He stepped up and played out of position at CB when Kalas was injured and our recruitment team had failed to provide ANY cover in that position. At that point he had (to my knowledge) never played at CB before but he made that position his own and was an important player in our unbeaten run + promotion. Sure, he makes the occasional mistake (although not nearly as many as Ream...) but he has also given us moments that Fulham fans will never forget, like the goal against Derby or that moment of pure brilliance against Newcastle.

Anyone calling out for Christie must have short memories. He was absolutely thrashed on this forum the last time he played regularly for us. He had a decent season at Forest (after a poor start) but anyone who thinks he is an upgrade on Odoi should re-watch some of the games he played for us. I'm not saying Christie is useless. He is a decent Championship RB but I've never seen anything to suggest he is a significant upgrade on Odoi and I would prefer to keep Odoi match fit and happy rather than introduce Christie as the next scapegoat.
:plus one:

Hatch007

Can anyone who attended the match last night give a balanced, unbiased review of CC's performance.

Curious to learn if he's still considered amongst us a genuine contender to replace Dennis as deputy to Tete.

Thanks in advance

Woolly Mammoth

Bearing in mind it was Leeds we were playing last night not Blackpool or Reading. C C put himself about gave away some fouls but I don't blame him for that. He is big and strong enough to hold his own and he is quicker than Dennis, and he bombed forward when he could.
I think he serves us better as a wing back.
Does he warrant a selection over D O, well that may divide opinion. for and against for both I imagine. For me I have an affection for Dennis, but then Cyrus has strengths Dennis does not, and Dennis tends to have a mistake a game in him but also is a fighter.
However, currently at the moment in the absence of Fossey or Sessegnon I would consider Cyrus for a decent run out despite his tendency to give away too many fouls.
Nevertheless it's six of one half a dozen of the other.
Neither really ideal just perhaps a temporary stop gap. If Cyrus could be coached and improves his positional play within the framework of a defensive unit, his pace can be utilised in the Championship and the absence of Tete he has to be considered.
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Nero

Christie tends to give a way fouls as he tackles Odoi just backs off and allow teams to cross and shot. Clean Sheet that's all I'm saying would that have happened with Dan James v Odoi

Somerset Fulham

I don't understand why he has had such a hard time at Fulham.   At this level he is more than adequate and I hope that Silva has now realised this and is reconsidering his stance on the player.


filham

I had a good view of Christe last night from my halfway line viewpoint in the JH stand, he had a reasonable game but I saw nothing which suggested he should replace Odoi in out starting line up against Bristol on Saturday. However if Odoi was not available I would be confident of Christie filling the gap.

Jim©

Let's not forget for most of the game he was up against £30m Dan James, who he kept quiet for almost the whole game. That deserves a bit of praise.

Personally I think it's strange that he's never been appreciated by Fulham fans, he's a very decent Championship RB.