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Title: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: LC on October 10, 2026, 04:55:47 PM
He has to go after today. We have some very important games coming up and we need a response.

Thomas Frank and Eddie Howe are available. We need to change it now before it's too late. I said this before the international break.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 04:57:23 PM
He's gotta be given the boot.

Five points thrown away in the last two games.

Team looks so deflated and they don't have a clue what to do when we lead.

Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Somerset Fulham on October 10, 2026, 04:57:46 PM
He won't be going anywhere yet.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on October 10, 2026, 04:58:50 PM
Yeah they won't sack him yet.

What should happen is Khan says "9 from 3 or you're out".

Then AA plays the phone call to the dressing room, creates a siege mentality, and we go on to win the league.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 04:58:53 PM
Lose to Hull next week and it'll be very toxic next weekend.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Sgt Fulham on October 10, 2026, 04:58:55 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on October 10, 2026, 04:57:46 PMHe won't be going anywhere yet.

I hate that youre right but you are. Too much invested and no way the Khans admit a mistake (this soon anyway).
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: South Coast White on October 10, 2026, 04:59:37 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on October 10, 2026, 04:57:46 PMHe won't be going anywhere yet.
Yes let's get even deeper in trouble and give him 6 more games
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PM
i think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: spoonffc on October 10, 2026, 05:01:53 PM
He isn't a very good manager. He might be a decent coach but he's one of the worst in game managers I think I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on October 10, 2026, 05:02:26 PM
Quote from: South Coast White on October 10, 2026, 04:59:37 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on October 10, 2026, 04:57:46 PMHe won't be going anywhere yet.
Yes let's get even deeper in trouble and give him 6 more games

Agreed. If we can recreate the great escape, a European places finish is sorted for the season after, and then a major final the season after!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Rj Fulham on October 10, 2026, 05:02:55 PM
Get him gone, this is a shambles.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: South Coast White on October 10, 2026, 05:03:38 PM
Maybe Shad thinks at least the parachute payment will cover most of the cost of the new stand.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Neutral Zone Ultra on October 10, 2026, 05:04:52 PM
Was at the game. Shambles, get him gone.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Andrew on October 10, 2026, 05:06:13 PM
AA is totally useless. we didn't need to lose today but his substitutions killed us...he is ridiculously awful, get rid now.

The minute angel unbelievably came on we were always destined to lose, larson is equally ineffective AA just doesn't have a clue. Joke over get rid.

Why give him any longer, if he stays any longer we will be going down again?
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Worcesterwhite on October 10, 2026, 05:06:27 PM
Reminds me of when Sanchez was in charge completely changed the way we play/squad, it wont work and will end the same way
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: andyk on October 10, 2026, 05:07:49 PM
Never quite got the reasoning behind a complete novice as manager. If you're going for a newbie, at least pick one who understands the Premier League. Brentford did that. Arbeola still thinks he's in La Liga.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:08:00 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly

Why? I originally said give him ten games but we are seeing zero improvement in his managerial decisions. Dreadful substitutions week after week, poor game management week in week out. I think we should just bite the bullet and fire him now.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: ffcthereligion on October 10, 2026, 05:08:21 PM
Quote from: Andrew on October 10, 2026, 05:06:13 PMAA is totally useless. we didn't need to lose today but his substitutions killed us...he is ridiculously awful, get rid now.

The minute angel unbelievably came on we were always destined to lose, larson is equally ineffective AA just doesn't have a clue. Joke over get rid.

Why give him any longer, if he stays any longer we will be going down again?

What did Angel do wrong? Is it simply his height you have an objection to?
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Coastwalker on October 10, 2026, 05:08:49 PM
He's Gone.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Fulham Tup North on October 10, 2026, 05:09:28 PM
Quote from: andyk on October 10, 2026, 05:07:49 PMArbeola still thinks he's in La Liga.

I wish he was !!!!  ::angry::  ::angry::
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Jules on October 10, 2026, 05:10:15 PM
We are going down if a change doesn't get made soon. Those subs made no sense and we just retreated. Could see then scoring then. So easy the 2nd one. Gutted.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:10:23 PM
Problem we have is an imbalanced squad thanks to AA. No new manager can do anything about the squad he inherits until the transfer window (and the Christmas window is notoriously thin). No matter who comes in they are stuck with a lot of small, young, inexperienced players in a relegation battle. That is not a good recipe!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on October 10, 2026, 05:10:24 PM
I still find it hard to believe with the enormous sums of money SK has invested in the club he hasn't hired any actual knowledgable football people to help him make the important footballing decisions. Arbeloa was a ridiculously naive and uninformed appointment. Probably just based on the advice of his billionaire buddy Perez. I think he just got lucky with Marco.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on October 10, 2026, 05:10:53 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:10:23 PMProblem we have is an imbalanced squad thanks to AA. No new manager can do anything about the squad he inherits until the transfer window (and the Christmas window is notoriously thin). No matter who comes in they arevstuck with a lot of small, young, inexperienced players in a relegation battle. That is not a good recipe!

The squad is fine and more than talented enough to stay up.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Surlyc on October 10, 2026, 05:11:09 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on October 10, 2026, 04:57:46 PMHe won't be going anywhere yet.
It reminds me of de Boer at Palace, but I agree we don't have the decisiveness to act yet.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: the nutflush on October 10, 2026, 05:11:19 PM
Kevin cant play on the right.  Hes touched it twice in two substitute appearances when hes been plonked out there.  My mother could see it.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Sgt Fulham on October 10, 2026, 05:11:28 PM
Quote from: Coastwalker on October 10, 2026, 05:08:49 PMHe's Gone.

Here's me frantically searching in the hope that this is true and confirmed haha
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:12:07 PM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on October 10, 2026, 05:08:21 PM
Quote from: Andrew on October 10, 2026, 05:06:13 PMAA is totally useless. we didn't need to lose today but his substitutions killed us...he is ridiculously awful, get rid now.

The minute angel unbelievably came on we were always destined to lose, larson is equally ineffective AA just doesn't have a clue. Joke over get rid.

Why give him any longer, if he stays any longer we will be going down again?

What did Angel do wrong? Is it simply his height you have an objection to?

I think it was more who AA chose to replace when he brought Angel on, it was a very odd decision.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on October 10, 2026, 05:10:53 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:10:23 PMProblem we have is an imbalanced squad thanks to AA. No new manager can do anything about the squad he inherits until the transfer window (and the Christmas window is notoriously thin). No matter who comes in they arevstuck with a lot of small, young, inexperienced players in a relegation battle. That is not a good recipe!

The squad is fine and more than talented enough to stay up.

Really?
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Andrew on October 10, 2026, 05:13:35 PM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on October 10, 2026, 05:08:21 PM
Quote from: Andrew on October 10, 2026, 05:06:13 PMAA is totally useless. we didn't need to lose today but his substitutions killed us...he is ridiculously awful, get rid now.

The minute angel unbelievably came on we were always destined to lose, larson is equally ineffective AA just doesn't have a clue. Joke over get rid.

Why give him any longer, if he stays any longer we will be going down again?

What did Angel do wrong? Is it simply his height you have an objection to?

He is totally ineffective, the times had the ball he lost it, made no tackles left large spaces for berge to cover single handed. WE needed an experienced adult with physical prescence not a totally inexperienced youngsters.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: the nutflush on October 10, 2026, 05:14:10 PM
Quote from: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on October 10, 2026, 05:10:53 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:10:23 PMProblem we have is an imbalanced squad thanks to AA. No new manager can do anything about the squad he inherits until the transfer window (and the Christmas window is notoriously thin). No matter who comes in they arevstuck with a lot of small, young, inexperienced players in a relegation battle. That is not a good recipe!

The squad is fine and more than talented enough to stay up.

We have a severe of lack intestinal fortitude. 
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly
No. Get rid now. Whilst there's still time to save our season.
Bring Roy back.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Mullers75 on October 10, 2026, 05:14:32 PM
Has to go. To concede possesion like that in the last 15-20 minutes when previously we had been very comfortable was completely bonkers. Bringing on Angel and Kevin when trying to keep the lead wasn't sensible either. Bring in a proven manager now (McKenna?) who understands the physicality of the Premier League.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:08:00 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly

Why? I originally said give him ten games but we are seeing zero improvement in his managerial decisions. Dreadful substitutions week after week, poor game management week in week out. I think we should just bite the bullet and fire him now.

Tbh I don't disagree with those who say he should go now. There's a part of me that still thinks he can get it right, though his subs today (again) really worried me.

Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on October 10, 2026, 05:21:31 PM
I was in the process of writing something profound about our situation but realised it's pointless as I already know we are going down if change doesn't come soon.

I think we all know the club was aiming for a new direction once Silva departed but the risky appointment has failed.

Either the fairies wave their magic wand over our team and we go on a winning streak or we get a new management in ASAP!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Worcesterwhite on October 10, 2026, 05:21:33 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly
No. Get rid now. Whilst there's still time to save our season.
Bring Roy back.
We can't afford to give him Hull and Coventry, we fail to get positive results in those, look at the next run of fixtures, hull and Ipswich already 6/7 pts above us
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 05:22:13 PM
This buffoon is worse than Magath and that's quite an achievement.

The problem is that Real Madrid played against teams camped in their own half because of the sheer quality of the opposing attackers, and they rarely threatened

Today, we can't defend a lead because it's foreign to him and his tranche of young Spaniards he bought in.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: jarv on October 10, 2026, 05:22:15 PM
You beat me to it.  I was about to post the same 2 names. Most important is, the clown we have has to go tonight.  There are so many good managers we could get, even going back to Roy would be better than this idiot.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: C Block on October 10, 2026, 05:23:14 PM
They will give him until the next international break, but ! In the meantime im pretty certain that they will put the feelers out to the currently available managers to see if they can gauge any interest,
They definitely won't want to sack him and then publicly get turned down by a string of managers.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: cottage expat on October 10, 2026, 05:26:04 PM
I was willing to give him a chance when he was hired and for the first few matches  but today was inexcusable and evident he doesn't have a clue. He needs to go,pronto!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Plodder on October 10, 2026, 05:26:53 PM
With timing of the next international break, I reckon the club will give him until after the Newcastle Utd game, which will be ten games. To stay, he needs at least two wins fron the next four games. If he doesn't achieve that, Howe or Frank are the obvious choices, if they are willing to come then, and that will give one of them (or whoever) a fortnight without a match to settle in, and still enough games left in the season to turn things around.

But either way, that is the latest a decision needs to be made. Either keep him for the entire season and promise him a go in the Championship if that is what it comes to, or sack him no later than the next international break. The worst of both worlds would be to vacillate and then sack him 15 or more games into this season like we did with Jokanovic, which gives a new manager very little chance to keep us up.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on October 10, 2026, 05:27:59 PM
Quote from: C Block on October 10, 2026, 05:23:14 PMThey will give him until the next international break, but ! In the meantime im pretty certain that they will put the feelers out to the currently available managers to see if they can gauge any interest,
They definitely won't want to sack him and then publicly get turned down by a string of managers.

Lol don't bank on it. I like the Khans all in, but don't rule anything out.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: v on October 10, 2026, 05:29:59 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly
No. Get rid now. Whilst there's still time to save our season.
Bring Roy back.

It worked for Crystal Palace after Frank de Boer's damp squib start to the season, it could work for us.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:32:23 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on October 10, 2026, 05:10:53 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:10:23 PMProblem we have is an imbalanced squad thanks to AA. No new manager can do anything about the squad he inherits until the transfer window (and the Christmas window is notoriously thin). No matter who comes in they arevstuck with a lot of small, young, inexperienced players in a relegation battle. That is not a good recipe!

The squad is fine and more than talented enough to stay up.

Really?

I will run through why I worry about the squad. Where is the central striker able to play up front on his own who can head a ball, hold up play, and take his chances? Where is the next Tom Cairney who can dictate play, command the midfield and chip in with the odd wonder strike? Where is the big, commanding central defender who marshals our back four and clears our lines? Where is that essential baseline for Prem success, a solid spine?

Yes we have a host of lightweight, young players, some or all of whom may turn out to be technically gifted (it's too soon to judge several of them). But we have a lot of them and that does not bode well in a relegation dogfight!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Luka on October 10, 2026, 05:34:20 PM
From within the club he is regarded as arrogant and rude.
If that's the case then he isn't going to change.
One more shambles like today and he will loose the dressing room.
Then he's finished.

Whatever happens, I do not want Frank anywhere near this club.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 05:34:31 PM
Oh what I would have given for parkerball in the last ten today..
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: RAY Rock on October 10, 2026, 05:36:05 PM
Awful performance truly awful no passion no tempo sitting off . Sack him he is so far out of his depth it is painful 🤬
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: LC on October 10, 2026, 04:55:47 PMHe has to go after today. We have some very important games coming up and we need a response.

Thomas Frank and Eddie Howe are available. We need to change it now before it's too late. I said this before the international break.

And if we'd have won you wouldn't be saying anything.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Coastwalker on October 10, 2026, 05:36:22 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on October 10, 2026, 05:10:53 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:10:23 PMProblem we have is an imbalanced squad thanks to AA. No new manager can do anything about the squad he inherits until the transfer window (and the Christmas window is notoriously thin). No matter who comes in they arevstuck with a lot of small, young, inexperienced players in a relegation battle. That is not a good recipe!

The squad is fine and more than talented enough to stay up.

Really?

What was it he said about Garcia.
This boy has it to be world class.😅
Looked like a league1 player at times today.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Sgt Fulham on October 10, 2026, 05:37:04 PM
Quote from: Luka on October 10, 2026, 05:34:20 PMFrom within the club he is regarded as arrogant and rude.
If that's the case then he isn't going to change.
One more shambles like today and he will loose the dressing room.
Then he's finished.

Whatever happens, I do not want Frank anywhere near this club.

Interesting insight if true. How do you know how he's perceived inside the club if you dont mind me asking?
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 05:37:35 PM
Anything less than three points against arguably the weakest team to come up then he will be toast.

We are currently bottom of the table.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on October 10, 2026, 05:38:26 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:32:23 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on October 10, 2026, 05:10:53 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:10:23 PMProblem we have is an imbalanced squad thanks to AA. No new manager can do anything about the squad he inherits until the transfer window (and the Christmas window is notoriously thin). No matter who comes in they arevstuck with a lot of small, young, inexperienced players in a relegation battle. That is not a good recipe!

The squad is fine and more than talented enough to stay up.

Really?

I will run through why I worry about the squad. Where is the central striker able to play up front on his own who can head a ball, hold up play, and take his chances? Where is the next Tom Cairney who can dictate play, command the midfield and chip in with the odd wonder strike? Where is the big, commanding central defender who marshals our back four and clears our lines? Where is that essential baseline for Prem success, a solid spine?

Yes we have a host of lightweight, young players, some or all of whom may turn out to be technically gifted (it's too soon to judge several of them). But we have a lot of them and that does not bode well in a relegation dogfight!

I hear you. I guess I just disagree and think that with a decent manager we'd be fine. I think Muniz is underrated and could do a job for the rest of the season, with the right tactics and players playing in their proper positions e.g. Kevin on the left not the right. Gonzalo off the bench when chasing a game. I think Berge and Charles are actually a great pairing in midfield and Bassey and Affengruber are more than capable enough to form a solid backline with Tete and Robinson.

But yeah the Angel's and Palacios's of the world are probably not suited for life in the Premier League.  Anyone with even a vague knowledge of the league could have told you that.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:41:01 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: LC on October 10, 2026, 04:55:47 PMHe has to go after today. We have some very important games coming up and we need a response.

Thomas Frank and Eddie Howe are available. We need to change it now before it's too late. I said this before the international break.

And if we'd have won you wouldn't be saying anything.

Sorry but what is your point? I genuinely fail to understand what you are trying to say.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 05:42:15 PM
Fulham goalscorer Ryan Sessegnon, also spoke after the match: "It's impossible to lose a game like that. We need to take a hard look at ourselves. It's a bit of mentality thing at the moment. We need to try and demand more from ourselves. We need to set higher standards for ourselves because it's going to be a hard season."

Arbeloa has clearly wrecked the dressing room... this is a worrying quote.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Coastwalker on October 10, 2026, 05:43:18 PM
Dressing room door kicked in.

2/7 ESR
5/2 Bassey

Any price the rest.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly
No. Get rid now. Whilst there's still time to save our season.
Bring Roy back.

So a new manager comes in and he doesn't win his first 3 games. Will you want him gone as well?
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: LC on October 10, 2026, 05:44:33 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: LC on October 10, 2026, 04:55:47 PMHe has to go after today. We have some very important games coming up and we need a response.

Thomas Frank and Eddie Howe are available. We need to change it now before it's too late. I said this before the international break.

And if we'd have won you wouldn't be saying anything.

Lol, if we were 6 games unbeaten I wouldn't be saying anything negative. What is your point?
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Hugh Janus on October 10, 2026, 05:48:34 PM
If Eddie Howe takes it I would change horses now. Bit he won't.

I would give AA at least the Hull game. For 70 mins today we were in control. We were good at Liverpool and Utd at home. He learned a lot from the Palace game about getting too high. He now has to sort out his in game management.

I really want the geezer to succeed. I'm still convinced there's a good manager in there. Unfortunately he is learning on the job in the Prem. That's a tough gig.  But he can do it
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: LC on October 10, 2026, 05:50:11 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly
No. Get rid now. Whilst there's still time to save our season.
Bring Roy back.

So a new manager comes in and he doesn't win his first 3 games. Will you want him gone as well?


Bring in an experienced manager, someone like Thomas Frank or Eddie Howe and you'll see a response almost immediately. We have a few very important games coming up and there is little signs of improvement. We have seen some very strange substitutions recently and again today. Charles should have stayed on even if he was tiring following the international break, and going with Garcia and Munoz up front made no sense.   
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:50:57 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly
No. Get rid now. Whilst there's still time to save our season.
Bring Roy back.

So a new manager comes in and he doesn't win his first 3 games. Will you want him gone as well?


He hasn't won his first six games! (Not sure where three comes into it as nobody was calling for his head after three).
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: nevzter on October 10, 2026, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: LC on October 10, 2026, 04:55:47 PMHe has to go after today. We have some very important games coming up and we need a response.

Thomas Frank and Eddie Howe are available. We need to change it now before it's too late. I said this before the international break.

And if we'd have won you wouldn't be saying anything.
and if my aunt had a pair she'd be my uncle.
Fulham should have won or at least taken something away from the match - they didn't and it was on AA. 
no kidding we wouldn't be on AA's ass if he hadn't cost the match
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 05:52:11 PM
We will get slaughtered at the Etihad next month if we play like that today...

Hopefully he is gone well before that match!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: LC on October 10, 2026, 05:52:32 PM
Quote from: Hugh Janus on October 10, 2026, 05:48:34 PMIf Eddie Howe takes it I would change horses now. Bit he won't.

I would give AA at least the Hull game. For 70 mins today we were in control. We were good at Liverpool and Utd at home. He learned a lot from the Palace game about getting too high. He now has to sort out his in game management.

I really want the geezer to succeed. I'm still convinced there's a good manager in there. Unfortunately he is learning on the job in the Prem. That's a tough gig.  But he can do it

Outside of our goal we didn't look great at all - in my opinion anyway. If Marco Silva was in charge we would have walked away with three points today. We're seeing the same thing we had under Scott Parker, good squad and the manager got us regulated. It really is as simple as that.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly
No. Get rid now. Whilst there's still time to save our season.
Bring Roy back.

So a new manager comes in and he doesn't win his first 3 games. Will you want him gone as well?

No. AA has had six games to get a win. And its not even the results that's the worst part. It's his inability to get the team to keep a lead by making stupid, negative subs. Today being only ONE prime example. Get him out. NOW !!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:41:01 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: LC on October 10, 2026, 04:55:47 PMHe has to go after today. We have some very important games coming up and we need a response.

Thomas Frank and Eddie Howe are available. We need to change it now before it's too late. I said this before the international break.

And if we'd have won you wouldn't be saying anything.

Sorry but what is your point? I genuinely fail to understand what you are trying to say.
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Hind sight is such a wonderful thing . 3 points today and no one would be calling for his head. But is so easy to say I told you so.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: AJW48361 on October 10, 2026, 05:55:30 PM
The substitutions created a shambles, probably only needed Andersen to come on and adjust it  accordingly.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly
No. Get rid now. Whilst there's still time to save our season.
Bring Roy back.

So a new manager comes in and he doesn't win his first 3 games. Will you want him gone as well?

No. AA has had six games to get a win. And its not even the results that's the worst part. It's his inability to get the team to keep a lead by making stupid, negative subs. Today being only ONE prime example. Get him out. NOW !!

Ok 6 games and nothing changes. Who will you want to come in then?
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on October 10, 2026, 05:56:10 PM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 05:52:11 PMWe will get slaughtered at the Etihad next month if we play like that today...

Hopefully he is gone well before that match!

I bet we'll do something like stuff them 6-0 away, having played like dog for the prior 6 games.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:59:05 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:41:01 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: LC on October 10, 2026, 04:55:47 PMHe has to go after today. We have some very important games coming up and we need a response.

Thomas Frank and Eddie Howe are available. We need to change it now before it's too late. I said this before the international break.

And if we'd have won you wouldn't be saying anything.

Sorry but what is your point? I genuinely fail to understand what you are trying to say.
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Hind sight is such a wonderful thing . 3 points today and no one would be calling for his head. But is so easy to say I told you so.
I don't think you quite understand other posters comments. We DID NOT get 3 points so why say "what if we did." We didn't and that's the end of it. People are rightly concerned after six games with no win and shite performances to match, barring a couple of games.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 06:00:58 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly
No. Get rid now. Whilst there's still time to save our season.
Bring Roy back.

So a new manager comes in and he doesn't win his first 3 games. Will you want him gone as well?

No. AA has had six games to get a win. And its not even the results that's the worst part. It's his inability to get the team to keep a lead by making stupid, negative subs. Today being only ONE prime example. Get him out. NOW !!

Ok 6 games and nothing changes. Who will you want to come in then?
As has been said, a proven Prem level manager, they are out there. And as I inferred, bring back Roy. He may not want to come back but that's who I would like, to answer your question.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Twig on October 10, 2026, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:41:01 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: LC on October 10, 2026, 04:55:47 PMHe has to go after today. We have some very important games coming up and we need a response.

Thomas Frank and Eddie Howe are available. We need to change it now before it's too late. I said this before the international break.

And if we'd have won you wouldn't be saying anything.

Sorry but what is your point? I genuinely fail to understand what you are trying to say.
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Hind sight is such a wonderful thing . 3 points today and no one would be calling for his head. But is so easy to say I told you so.

I think you need to look at the definition of hindsight. We are in the moment, looking at our performance after six failures to garner a single win and looking forward to what should be winnable games.

I still fail to understand your point. What would your solution be? Keep with the status quo and back AA again in the winter transfer window? I really don't get a sense that you are prepared to star your view, you just seem to make snide remarks at other posters.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 06:02:03 PM
AA - the reincarnation of Magath.

The dressing room is clearly gone.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: junior white on October 10, 2026, 06:02:05 PM
Quote from: LC on October 10, 2026, 04:55:47 PMHe has to go after today. We have some very important games coming up and we need a response.

Thomas Frank and Eddie Howe are available. We need to change it now before it's too late. I said this before the international break.
As I mentioned another post sadly those two may not be available.

 It was reported over the summer that Franks doesn't want a job till after this year otherwise he has to pay spurs some money back, Howe has apparently stated he wants to manage teams I European competition when he is ready to return.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 06:03:18 PM
Lets hope Man City are deducted 115 points...
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:50:57 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly
No. Get rid now. Whilst there's still time to save our season.
Bring Roy back.

So a new manager comes in and he doesn't win his first 3 games. Will you want him gone as well?


He hasn't won his first six games! (Not sure where three comes into it as nobody was calling for his head after three).

I picked 3 games just as a number I could have said 9 or 6 or 12. This run of 3 games was supposed to be winnable. Why is a new manager suddenly going to make us world beaters with less than a week to work with the squad? And if he doesn't win those next two games then what?
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Sgt Fulham on October 10, 2026, 06:04:37 PM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 06:03:18 PMLets hope Man City are deducted 115 points...

And miraculously 2 other teams. Maybe Everton being one of those. They deserve to go down for not relegating Spurs last season.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: the nutflush on October 10, 2026, 06:05:26 PM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 06:02:03 PMAA - the reincarnation of Magath.

The dressing room is clearly gone.

There are a few guys in that dressing room I would not want to go off to war with.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 06:08:10 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:50:57 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly
No. Get rid now. Whilst there's still time to save our season.
Bring Roy back.

So a new manager comes in and he doesn't win his first 3 games. Will you want him gone as well?


He hasn't won his first six games! (Not sure where three comes into it as nobody was calling for his head after three).

Well this run of 3 games was supposed to be winnable. Why is a new manager suddenly going to make us world beaters with less than a week to work with the squad? And if he doesn't win those two games then what?
Exactly, as you say these 3 were supposed to be winnable. I haven't asked for just a new manager, I said one with Prem level experience, one that knows what it takes to close games out. And we have started this run of 3 pretty much how we finished before the international break - bloody awful. So, again, that's why I say get rid now so we can have a chance to save our season. If then we still don't have a win on the board then I would say we might be fcuked. But at least we will give ourselves a fighting chance.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 06:13:43 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:41:01 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: LC on October 10, 2026, 04:55:47 PMHe has to go after today. We have some very important games coming up and we need a response.

Thomas Frank and Eddie Howe are available. We need to change it now before it's too late. I said this before the international break.

And if we'd have won you wouldn't be saying anything.

Sorry but what is your point? I genuinely fail to understand what you are trying to say.
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Hind sight is such a wonderful thing . 3 points today and no one would be calling for his head. But is so easy to say I told you so.

I think you need to look at the definition of hindsight. We are in the moment, looking at our performance after six failures to garner a single win and looking forward to what should be winnable games.

I still fail to understand your point. What would your solution be? Keep with the status quo and back AA again in the winter transfer window? I really don't get a sense that you are prepared to star your view, you just seem to make snide remarks at other posters.

I'm not making any snide remarks at all. I asked a question about who we would get in if he was sacked and how long should they be given if they don't win any games in their first 3,6 of9 games. I don't believe SK will pull the trigger at all and I have faith that AA will turn this around. Forgive me for not wanting to jump on the sack him bandwagon.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Twig on October 10, 2026, 06:13:49 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:50:57 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly
No. Get rid now. Whilst there's still time to save our season.
Bring Roy back.

So a new manager comes in and he doesn't win his first 3 games. Will you want him gone as well?


He hasn't won his first six games! (Not sure where three comes into it as nobody was calling for his head after three).

I picked 3 games just as a number I could have said 9 or 6 or 12. This run of 3 games was supposed to be winnable. Why is a new manager suddenly going to make us world beaters with less than a week to work with the squad? And if he doesn't win those next two games then what?

So your great plan is just carry on?
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 06:13:54 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 06:08:10 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 10, 2026, 05:50:57 PM
Quote from: cookieg on October 10, 2026, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 10, 2026, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly
No. Get rid now. Whilst there's still time to save our season.
Bring Roy back.

So a new manager comes in and he doesn't win his first 3 games. Will you want him gone as well?


He hasn't won his first six games! (Not sure where three comes into it as nobody was calling for his head after three).

Well this run of 3 games was supposed to be winnable. Why is a new manager suddenly going to make us world beaters with less than a week to work with the squad? And if he doesn't win those two games then what?
Exactly, as you say these 3 were supposed to be winnable. I haven't asked for just a new manager, I said one with Prem level experience, one that knows what it takes to close games out. And we have started this run of 3 pretty much how we finished before the international break - bloody awful. So, again, that's why I say get rid now so we can have a chance to save our season. If then we still don't have a win on the board then I would say we might be fcuked. But at least we will give ourselves a fighting chance.

Parker will be available next season if we go down!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: andyk on October 10, 2026, 06:19:54 PM
Can't work out what he did with Palacios. The guy was a bit slow in the first couple of games. Then was excellent, in the First Half agst Palace. Really looked like he was adapting well, getting up to speed. Then he gets subbed on the hour, we lose the game. Since then he's benched.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: AustrianGeezer on October 10, 2026, 06:22:32 PM
Quote from: LC on October 10, 2026, 05:52:32 PM
Quote from: Hugh Janus on October 10, 2026, 05:48:34 PMIf Eddie Howe takes it I would change horses now. Bit he won't.

I would give AA at least the Hull game. For 70 mins today we were in control. We were good at Liverpool and Utd at home. He learned a lot from the Palace game about getting too high. He now has to sort out his in game management.

I really want the geezer to succeed. I'm still convinced there's a good manager in there. Unfortunately he is learning on the job in the Prem. That's a tough gig.  But he can do it

Outside of our goal we didn't look great at all - in my opinion anyway. If Marco Silva was in charge we would have walked away with three points today. We're seeing the same thing we had under Scott Parker, good squad and the manager got us regulated. It really is as simple as that.

Plenty of times last season where we gave points away in the last minutes of the game. What makes you so sure, that it would have been so different under marco silva? From what i can tell AA has picked up exactly where MS has left off last season
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Coastwalker on October 10, 2026, 06:27:14 PM
Premier league is a different ball game I'm afraid,I'd go as far as to say that the three signings from Real Madrid,might be going back to Spain in January,if we have a new manager.
They haven't impressed me one bit so far.
I'd like to think it'll change,but I doubt it,on todays game Garcia looked like a little boy lost at times.
Prove me wrong you Spanish lads,and I'll be a happy bunny.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: EN1 FFC on October 10, 2026, 06:36:07 PM
Is Arbeloa too much of a Tinkerman ?
I think there are a fair few of us who don't understand his changes.
He keeps doing the same late substitution mistakes and taking off our better players.
We're going back to the nervous times we had with Parker and the nervous 80min subs at 1-0 up, that will not do my old ticker any good, the crowd gets twitchy and then the players panic every time the opposition cross the halfway line and the inevitable happens.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: bahay18 on October 10, 2026, 06:42:58 PM
There was no need for that to get twitchy today . It was fine until he made the subs . Exactly the same as Sunderland and United. He has to go
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: peachcobbler on October 10, 2026, 06:44:11 PM
If I were Tony, AA would be on a game-by-game basis from here. If he doesn't get three points against Hull, he's out.

Leaving both Reed and Cuenca out of the matchday squad was questionable enough. Bringing on Manuel Ángel in the 71st minute to protect a one-goal lead was even worse.

For me, that decision shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what it takes to see out a Premier League match.

You're defeding a one goal lead entering the final 20 minutes, and you turn to a lightweight, ball-playing midfielder with virtually no top-flight experience. A player who has yet to demonstrate the physicality, defensive awareness, tackling ability or positional discipline required in that situation.

I'm not saying Ángel can't become a good player. But there's a time and a place to develop young talent, and asking him to protect a one-goal lead in the Premier League is hardly it....

And it wasn't simply a bad substitution. AA had already made the decision to leave more experienced defensive options out of the squad entirely. I'd put Angel behind Reed AND Cuenca to come into the midfield to hold onto the lead. Then of course you had Larrson as an option in this game.

It's one of the most baffling pieces of game management I've seen from a Fulham manager. At some point, you have to question whether AA understands the demands of this league. And it was on full display tonight.

Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Plodder on October 10, 2026, 06:47:15 PM
I am reluctant to judge on just six games, but it does seem that Arbeloa underestimated the physical requirements in the Premier League.  You can afford one, or at most two, less physically imposing players, but we have too many of that kind and we get outmuscled.  The young Spaniards look skilful, and I don't question their effort, but on the basis of the evidence so far, they seem too small and not powerful enough for Premier League style football.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: Plodder on October 10, 2026, 06:47:15 PMI am reluctant to judge on just six games, but it does seem that Arbeloa underestimated the physical requirements in the Premier League.  You can afford one, or at most two, less physically imposing players, but we have too many of that kind and we get outmuscled.  The young Spaniards look skilful, and I don't question their effort, but on the basis of the evidence so far, they seem too small and not powerful enough for Premier League style football.

Problem is that our scouting department were effectively made redundant as AA bought in his own players. Only Charles was possibly pre planned.

What they were scouting in the summer is up for debate, but clearly the last minute scramble for Affengruber says all we need to know...

Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on October 10, 2026, 06:56:52 PM
Quote from: peachcobbler on October 10, 2026, 06:44:11 PMIf I were Tony, AA would be on a game-by-game basis from here. If he doesn't get three points against Hull, he's out.

Leaving both Reed and Cuenca out of the matchday squad was questionable enough. Bringing on Manuel Ángel in the 71st minute to protect a one-goal lead was even worse.

For me, that decision shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what it takes to see out a Premier League match.

You're defeding a one goal lead entering the final 20 minutes, and you turn to a lightweight, ball-playing midfielder with virtually no top-flight experience. A player who has yet to demonstrate the physicality, defensive awareness, tackling ability or positional discipline required in that situation.

I'm not saying Ángel can't become a good player. But there's a time and a place to develop young talent, and asking him to protect a one-goal lead in the Premier League is hardly it....

And it wasn't simply a bad substitution. AA had already made the decision to leave more experienced defensive options out of the squad entirely. I'd put Angel behind Reed AND Cuenca to come into the midfield to hold onto the lead. Then of course you had Larrson as an option in this game.

It's one of the most baffling pieces of game management I've seen from a Fulham manager. At some point, you have to question whether AA understands the demands of this league. And it was on full display tonight.



If I were Tony I'd quit pretending I knew anything about football and let my dad hire a proper director of football. Good post though.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 07:00:55 PM
Woo hoo we're off the bottom!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: demeant0r on October 10, 2026, 07:03:38 PM
Quote from: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on October 10, 2026, 05:10:24 PMI still find it hard to believe with the enormous sums of money SK has invested in the club he hasn't hired any actual knowledgable football people to help him make the important footballing decisions. Arbeloa was a ridiculously naive and uninformed appointment. Probably just based on the advice of his billionaire buddy Perez. I think he just got lucky with Marco.

I think we just stumbled onto Marco by pure luck, TK doesn't have a fking clue about football.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: C Block on October 10, 2026, 07:19:10 PM
We're struggling, some might say We're in a relegation battle, with that in mind , can someone please explain to me how a six stone kid like Manuel Angel gets both a squad place and game time, and a battle hardened warrior like Harrison Reed doesn't even make the squad! I know who I'd rather have with me in a relegation battle,
Is he showing excessive favouritism towards his Spanish kids ?
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 07:19:39 PM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 07:00:55 PMWoo hoo we're off the bottom!

Oh no we're not!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: sunburywhite on October 10, 2026, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: C Block on October 10, 2026, 07:19:10 PMWe're struggling, some might say We're in a relegation battle, with that in mind , can someone please explain to me how a six stone kid like Manuel Angel gets both a squad place and game time, and a battle hardened warrior like Harrison Reed doesn't even make the squad! I know who I'd rather have with me in a relegation battle,
Is he showing excessive favouritism towards his Spanish kids ?

Si!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Mullers OG on October 10, 2026, 07:30:11 PM
Time for Tom Cairney to show a bit of leadership. As club captain he needs to tell Arbeloa that tactics and personnel must change otherwise relegation follows. It's a big responsibility but as a very experienced player of considerable stature it needs to be done.

I have little doubt that a previous club captain, Danny Murphy, would have spoken clearly and forcibly.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: C Block on October 10, 2026, 07:35:01 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on October 10, 2026, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: C Block on October 10, 2026, 07:19:10 PMWe're struggling, some might say We're in a relegation battle, with that in mind , can someone please explain to me how a six stone kid like Manuel Angel gets both a squad place and game time, and a battle hardened warrior like Harrison Reed doesn't even make the squad! I know who I'd rather have with me in a relegation battle,
Is he showing excessive favouritism towards his Spanish kids ?

Si!
Are you saying Angel was a better choice than Reed ? Absolutely ridiculous if you are.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: hovewhite on October 10, 2026, 07:43:20 PM
Quote from: EN1 FFC on October 10, 2026, 06:36:07 PMIs Arbeloa too much of a Tinkerman ?
I think there are a fair few of us who don't understand his changes.
He keeps doing the same late substitution mistakes and taking off our better players.
We're going back to the nervous times we had with Parker and the nervous 80min subs at 1-0 up, that will not do my old ticker any good, the crowd gets twitchy and then the players panic every time the opposition cross the halfway line and the inevitable happens.
that's my opinion to much tinkering with substitutions which seems to confuse the team and he could do with Hodgson advising him.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Twig on October 10, 2026, 07:54:34 PM
Quote from: C Block on October 10, 2026, 07:35:01 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on October 10, 2026, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: C Block on October 10, 2026, 07:19:10 PMWe're struggling, some might say We're in a relegation battle, with that in mind , can someone please explain to me how a six stone kid like Manuel Angel gets both a squad place and game time, and a battle hardened warrior like Harrison Reed doesn't even make the squad! I know who I'd rather have with me in a relegation battle,
Is he showing excessive favouritism towards his Spanish kids ?

Si!
Are you saying Angel was a better choice than Reed ? Absolutely ridiculous if you are.

No I think he's agreeing with you.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Chi_FFC on October 10, 2026, 08:13:46 PM
Quote from: bahay18 on October 10, 2026, 06:42:58 PMThere was no need for that to get twitchy today . It was fine until he made the subs.
It really wasn't though. I hated most of the subs but the fact of the matter is we were under significant pressure even before the first sub was made.  Similar to the Man U match, but a lot less understandable/forgiveable given the difference in quality between Man U and Ipswich.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: bahay18 on October 10, 2026, 09:45:08 PM
We started to retreat after we scored and the subs compounded the problem . There isn't a world where angel for Charles makes sense . Arebola himself said he needed time to be ready after he struggled against West Ham . Game is starting to shift against us and he brings on a diminutive player for his prem debut. That's a sackable offence
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Fulham Tup North on October 10, 2026, 10:41:04 PM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 07:19:39 PM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 07:00:55 PMWoo hoo we're off the bottom!

Oh no we're not!
Is it Panto season already??..
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Twig on October 10, 2026, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on October 10, 2026, 10:41:04 PM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 07:19:39 PM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 07:00:55 PMWoo hoo we're off the bottom!

Oh no we're not!
Is it Panto season already??..


It was on our manager's bench today!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: KentFulham on October 10, 2026, 10:43:15 PM
I can see the song from Hammy End on Sat already.

"So FO Arbaloa, ******
We want Marco Silva
He's a genius, he's a genius"

He probably needs more time but it is inevitable
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Twig on October 10, 2026, 10:53:33 PM
Quote from: KentFulham on October 10, 2026, 10:43:15 PMI can see the song from Hammy End on Sat already.

"So FO Arbaloa, ******
We want Marco Silva
He's a genius, he's a genius"

He probably needs more time but it is inevitable

Yeah, irony is that Marco had run out of steam with us. We sure as hell have chosen the wrong successor though.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: spoonffc on October 10, 2026, 11:38:27 PM
I wouldn't usually expect Fulham to consider sacking a new manager so early into his tenure, especially when there have been some positives. However, it's the nature of the points we've dropped, and how directly his naive and confused substitutions and tactical decisions have contributed to those results, that should seriously concern the board.

These aren't isolated mistakes. They're happening once or twice every game. The Premier League is incredibly unforgiving, and we simply cannot afford to keep throwing away points, particularly against relegation rivals.

His blind faith in the Spanish players also suggests he's putting his own interests ahead of what's best for the team. Anyone familiar with the Premier League could see that bringing on Angel at that moment was the wrong decision.

Garcia shouldn't have started either. He offered absolutely nothing today. No hold-up play, no link-up play and no finishing. Then there was the bizarre decision to play him alongside Muniz for a few minutes before taking him off anyway.

Every game, there are moments where I'm left wondering what system we're actually playing. He changes things, then changes them again minutes later. It creates confusion throughout the team, disrupts any rhythm we've built and makes it almost impossible to retain possession. Inevitably, we end up inviting pressure onto ourselves.

There may be some promising ideas there, but at this level, ideas mean very little without clarity, consistency and good decision-making. You can forgive a new manager for making mistakes, but not for repeatedly making the same ones at the expense of results.

Unfortunately, I think he has to go.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: jarv on October 11, 2026, 12:20:08 AM
So sad to read all this. It seems this new guy does not have the experience, knowledge or anything positive to offer.   WHY US?  Who is responsible for bringing in this clown to us?  The usual idiot I guess.
I feel very sad watching the highlights tonight.  We seem to have a complete mess on our hands.  The bright side (if there is one) we are within a few points of climbing out of the mess. At the moment, that does seem about as likeley as us winning he league......not likely at all, not in 100 years.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: LC on October 11, 2026, 02:52:45 AM
Interesting that TK hasn't posted anything on his socials about the game today (unless I've missed a post).
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: denzele on October 11, 2026, 06:16:31 AM
AA will play his Spanish boys no matter what . That was the all idea .

Gonzalo was good in the first few games today he should have been dropped at half for Muniz . Young kid Angel come on seriously ??Playing both Muniz and Gonzalo together was so weird .

Charles was so good . He kind of looked shocked when he took him out . So tired of losing points in last 5 minutes .
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: SuperFreeman on October 11, 2026, 06:18:22 AM
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Quote from: LC on October 10, 2026, 04:55:47 PMHe has to go after today. We have some very important games coming up and we need a response.

Thomas Frank and Eddie Howe are available. We need to change it now before it's too late. I said this before the international break.

Meester Fawlty! Meester Fawlty! You say win the match. But I already have the box of matches! Que Que Que?????
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: SuperFreeman on October 11, 2026, 06:20:03 AM
Quote from: bahay18 on October 10, 2026, 09:45:08 PMWe started to retreat after we scored and the subs compounded the problem . There isn't a world where angel for Charles makes sense . Arebola himself said he needed time to be ready after he struggled against West Ham . Game is starting to shift against us and he brings on a diminutive player for his prem debut. That's a sackable offence

Should never have left Silva leave. Mind you, there were many on this site who wanted him to go. And so this is what happens.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Coastwalker on October 11, 2026, 06:43:06 AM
Quote from: SuperFreeman on October 11, 2026, 06:20:03 AM
Quote from: bahay18 on October 10, 2026, 09:45:08 PMWe started to retreat after we scored and the subs compounded the problem . There isn't a world where angel for Charles makes sense . Arebola himself said he needed time to be ready after he struggled against West Ham . Game is starting to shift against us and he brings on a diminutive player for his prem debut. That's a sackable offence

Should never have left Silva leave. Mind you, there were many on this site who wanted him to go. And so this is what happens.

Regardless of what many on here wanted,Silva wanted to go,and dallyed .on about it for weeks,it showed with the players final games of last season,costing us a European place.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: SuffolkWhite on October 11, 2026, 08:38:52 AM
If AA gets to 10 games as Manager I will be surprised, we need a minimum of 11 points by the 10 games mark if he is to  survive I think 🤔

There are some aspects of our passing that are good going forward but unfortunately we just can't score from the opportunities enough, as for the defence I thought we have looked better with Affengruber but we still concede late and we can't buy a win.

Its all very Fulhamish isn't it.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: roberto w6 on October 11, 2026, 08:40:30 AM
Quote from: peachcobbler on October 10, 2026, 06:44:11 PMIf I were Tony, AA would be on a game-by-game basis from here. If he doesn't get three points against Hull, he's out.

Leaving both Reed and Cuenca out of the matchday squad was questionable enough. Bringing on Manuel Ángel in the 71st minute to protect a one-goal lead was even worse.

For me, that decision shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what it takes to see out a Premier League match.

You're defeding a one goal lead entering the final 20 minutes, and you turn to a lightweight, ball-playing midfielder with virtually no top-flight experience. A player who has yet to demonstrate the physicality, defensive awareness, tackling ability or positional discipline required in that situation.

I'm not saying Ángel can't become a good player. But there's a time and a place to develop young talent, and asking him to protect a one-goal lead in the Premier League is hardly it....

And it wasn't simply a bad substitution. AA had already made the decision to leave more experienced defensive options out of the squad entirely. I'd put Angel behind Reed AND Cuenca to come into the midfield to hold onto the lead. Then of course you had Larrson as an option in this game.

It's one of the most baffling pieces of game management I've seen from a Fulham manager. At some point, you have to question whether AA understands the demands of this league. And it was on full display tonight.



I agree about Harrison Reed. While Charles and Berge may have become our starting choice, HR is a must for the bench especially in the current environment. We know we can count on him to be snapping at heels in midfield and breaking up opponent's flow
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Twig on October 11, 2026, 08:47:20 AM
Quote from: SuperFreeman on October 11, 2026, 06:20:03 AM
Quote from: bahay18 on October 10, 2026, 09:45:08 PMWe started to retreat after we scored and the subs compounded the problem . There isn't a world where angel for Charles makes sense . Arebola himself said he needed time to be ready after he struggled against West Ham . Game is starting to shift against us and he brings on a diminutive player for his prem debut. That's a sackable offence

Should never have left Silva leave. Mind you, there were many on this site who wanted him to go. And so this is what happens.

We didn't "let Silva leave", as you well know he chose to reject a new contract and go to Portugal. 

As it happens I think he was running out of ideas with us and I wasn't too sorry to see him leave but that isn't my point.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Luka on October 11, 2026, 09:37:03 AM
Quote from: SuperFreeman on October 11, 2026, 06:20:03 AM
Quote from: bahay18 on October 10, 2026, 09:45:08 PMWe started to retreat after we scored and the subs compounded the problem . There isn't a world where angel for Charles makes sense . Arebola himself said he needed time to be ready after he struggled against West Ham . Game is starting to shift against us and he brings on a diminutive player for his prem debut. That's a sackable offence

Should never have left Silva leave. Mind you, there were many on this site who wanted him to go. And so this is what happens.
The issue is not a question of whether Silva stayed or not. This is an issue about his replacement being suitable for the appointment.
Change is good but only if you improve on what you had.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC In Oz on October 11, 2026, 09:41:32 AM
He was a terrible appointment at the time.  Barely any experience.  His comment about the whole "do you know who I am I managed the biggest club in the world" thing was shocking.  He failed at the biggest club in the world in what? a 6 month stint? His only experience at the top level.

There's been some positives in our forward play.  But as pointed out, his game management and substitutions are deplorable.

Need 3 wins before the next international break or he's got to go
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Somerset Fulham on October 11, 2026, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: South Coast White on October 10, 2026, 04:59:37 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on October 10, 2026, 04:57:46 PMHe won't be going anywhere yet.
Yes let's get even deeper in trouble and give him 6 more games

I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with the sentiment, but he won't be going anywhere just yet. That assumption is a wholly correct as an assumption can be.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: clarkey on October 11, 2026, 11:51:50 AM
I think that he has the home game next weekend, and then the decision has to be made.He will have to be changed and they need tyo have someone in the wings now, an  Eddie Howe type ideally.Experienced and creative.

His decision making is completely flawed, and his body language and PR is appalling but with the right results it would not matter.

But the results have been terrible.So....come Saturday, come 4.45 its three points or the sack.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: LittleErn on October 11, 2026, 12:12:20 PM
Quote from: C Block on October 10, 2026, 07:19:10 PMWe're struggling, some might say We're in a relegation battle, with that in mind , can someone please explain to me how a six stone kid like Manuel Angel gets both a squad place and game time, and a battle hardened warrior like Harrison Reed doesn't even make the squad! I know who I'd rather have with me in a relegation battle,
Is he showing excessive favouritism towards his Spanish kids ?
Yes
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: LittleErn on October 11, 2026, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on October 10, 2026, 10:41:04 PM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 07:19:39 PM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 07:00:55 PMWoo hoo we're off the bottom!

Oh no we're not!
Is it Panto season already??..

Gallows humour!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on October 11, 2026, 12:31:16 PM
Quote from: spoonffc on October 10, 2026, 11:38:27 PMI wouldn't usually expect Fulham to consider sacking a new manager so early into his tenure, especially when there have been some positives. However, it's the nature of the points we've dropped, and how directly his naive and confused substitutions and tactical decisions have contributed to those results, that should seriously concern the board.

These aren't isolated mistakes. They're happening once or twice every game. The Premier League is incredibly unforgiving, and we simply cannot afford to keep throwing away points, particularly against relegation rivals.

His blind faith in the Spanish players also suggests he's putting his own interests ahead of what's best for the team. Anyone familiar with the Premier League could see that bringing on Angel at that moment was the wrong decision.

Garcia shouldn't have started either. He offered absolutely nothing today. No hold-up play, no link-up play and no finishing. Then there was the bizarre decision to play him alongside Muniz for a few minutes before taking him off anyway.

Every game, there are moments where I'm left wondering what system we're actually playing. He changes things, then changes them again minutes later. It creates confusion throughout the team, disrupts any rhythm we've built and makes it almost impossible to retain possession. Inevitably, we end up inviting pressure onto ourselves.

There may be some promising ideas there, but at this level, ideas mean very little without clarity, consistency and good decision-making. You can forgive a new manager for making mistakes, but not for repeatedly making the same ones at the expense of results.

Unfortunately, I think he has to go.

Totally agree!
Playing an open attacking game with the ball and pressing out of possession (if thats what he's trying to do?) looks great when you have a strong, athletic and settled team.

When you're doing well you can introduce inexperienced players, when you're struggling it's a recipe for whats happening this season.

The PL is not the place for a team such as ours to rebuild with a novice manager already lacking leaders on the pitch.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Pieter A’dam on October 11, 2026, 01:20:22 PM
The problem is much bigger than just replacing the manager. This squad is soft, over the last few years they could have pushed for Europe, but never the desire to go the extra yard. Most of them are much to comfortable and made their money so easy as a mid table team. With this mentality they deserve to go down.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 11, 2026, 01:22:33 PM
Quote from: Pieter A'dam on October 11, 2026, 01:20:22 PMThe problem is much bigger than just replacing the manager. This squad is soft, over the last few years they could have pushed for Europe, but never the desire to go the extra yard. Most of them are much to comfortable and made their money so easy as a mid table team. With this mentality they deserve to go down.

As soon as forty points were hit most of the players were on the beach...

We will be lucky to get to forty this year if this clown is still in charge next month...
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: TC's Sporran on October 11, 2026, 04:26:09 PM
Quote from: Mullers OG on October 10, 2026, 07:30:11 PMTime for Tom Cairney to show a bit of leadership. As club captain he needs to tell Arbeloa that tactics and personnel must change otherwise relegation follows. It's a big responsibility but as a very experienced player of considerable stature it needs to be done.

I have little doubt that a previous club captain, Danny Murphy, would have spoken clearly and forcibly.

he's never going to say that. he wants a start or at least a place on the bench and wont rock any boats. a lot wrote him off seasons ago. i think his underuse by silva was borderline criminal and hope we get to see his silky skills on the pitch  this season that can help us gain points
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: sunburywhite on October 11, 2026, 08:03:50 PM
Quote from: TC's Sporran on October 11, 2026, 04:26:09 PM
Quote from: Mullers OG on October 10, 2026, 07:30:11 PMTime for Tom Cairney to show a bit of leadership. As club captain he needs to tell Arbeloa that tactics and personnel must change otherwise relegation follows. It's a big responsibility but as a very experienced player of considerable stature it needs to be done.

I have little doubt that a previous club captain, Danny Murphy, would have spoken clearly and forcibly.

he's never going to say that. he wants a start or at least a place on the bench and wont rock any boats. a lot wrote him off seasons ago. i think his underuse by silva was borderline criminal and hope we get to see his silky skills on the pitch  this season that can help us gain points

I can see TC coming on for the final 20 minutes next week
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 12, 2026, 02:07:33 PM
Arbeloa made a hash of Real Madrid, and let's be honest, the players they had at their disposal, it's probably more difficult to do that rather than not!

If Hull beat us, he has to go.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: LC on October 12, 2026, 02:23:14 PM
I must confess, I've been watching the news to see if he's been let go. I don't think we can wait until Hull. Given our and there form it's a game we likely won't get much from anyway so I would rather get a new manager in and give him as much time as we can. I would imagine talks behind the scenes are underway.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Wandsworthboy on October 12, 2026, 02:23:35 PM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 12, 2026, 02:07:33 PMArbeloa made a hash of Real Madrid, and let's be honest, the players they had at their disposal, it's probably more difficult to do that rather than not!

If Hull beat us, he has to go.
Sadly, I think if we beat Hull, it will just paper over the cracks. I don't see him changing much even if we do beat Hull. He has to go, like yesterday.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: alfie on October 12, 2026, 03:20:58 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 12, 2026, 02:23:35 PM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 12, 2026, 02:07:33 PMArbeloa made a hash of Real Madrid, and let's be honest, the players they had at their disposal, it's probably more difficult to do that rather than not!

If Hull beat us, he has to go.
Sadly, I think if we beat Hull, it will just paper over the cracks. I don't see him changing much even if we do beat Hull. He has to go, like yesterday.

But it might change things if he has learnt a lesson.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Whitestone on October 12, 2026, 03:31:17 PM
Quote from: alfie on October 12, 2026, 03:20:58 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 12, 2026, 02:23:35 PM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 12, 2026, 02:07:33 PMArbeloa made a hash of Real Madrid, and let's be honest, the players they had at their disposal, it's probably more difficult to do that rather than not!

If Hull beat us, he has to go.
Sadly, I think if we beat Hull, it will just paper over the cracks. I don't see him changing much even if we do beat Hull. He has to go, like yesterday.

But it might change things if he has learnt a lesson.

He shouldn't have to be learning lessons. The guy is a qualified UEFA Pro Licence holder who in his own words has been at 'the best club in the world'. Watching the match on Saturday you would never know it. He seems to be tactically inept when taking into consideration the first six games of the season. I'd rather he got it right in the first place.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: demeant0r on October 12, 2026, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on October 12, 2026, 03:31:17 PM
Quote from: alfie on October 12, 2026, 03:20:58 PM
Quote from: Wandsworthboy on October 12, 2026, 02:23:35 PM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 12, 2026, 02:07:33 PMArbeloa made a hash of Real Madrid, and let's be honest, the players they had at their disposal, it's probably more difficult to do that rather than not!

If Hull beat us, he has to go.
Sadly, I think if we beat Hull, it will just paper over the cracks. I don't see him changing much even if we do beat Hull. He has to go, like yesterday.

But it might change things if he has learnt a lesson.

He shouldn't have to be learning lessons. The guy is a qualified UEFA Pro Licence holder who in his own words has been at 'the best club in the world'. Watching the match on Saturday you would never know it. He seems to be tactically inept when taking into consideration the first six games of the season. I'd rather he got it right in the first place.

Exactly! There are millions upon millions of football matches he could watch to study how to deal with different situations. In a time where pretty much every professional football match is recorded, you'd think it would be easy to formulate a tactic, what players to use them in and how to make effective substitutes.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Rambler on October 12, 2026, 10:06:19 PM
I feel the ultimate blame has to go to the owners on this one.
It has been a foolish decision that hasn't worked, and hasn't worked in spectacular fashion. The games have been so odd to watch, firstly so open playing all out attack to now these kinda feeble incohesive 90 minutes where we can't really attack at all.

What is sad is that the owners had done absolutely zero succession planning despite it being so obvious to us that this needed to be done. Take note of clubs like Brighton which do this so well and yet we did not and have been left in the lurch panicking with whom we were going to appoint a few weeks before the start of the season.

They should not be surprised it has ended up like this. We all thought they had matured and become wiser since being owners for as long as they have but sadly that isn't the case.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 12, 2026, 10:09:06 PM
Quote from: Rambler on October 12, 2026, 10:06:19 PMI feel the ultimate blame has to go to the owners on this one.
It has been a foolish decision that hasn't worked, and hasn't worked in spectacular fashion. The games have been so odd to watch, firstly so open playing all out attack to now these kinda feeble incohesive 90 minutes where we can't really attack at all.

What is sad is that the owners had done absolutely zero succession planning despite it being so obvious to us that this needed to be done. Take note of clubs like Brighton which do this so well and yet we did not and have been left in the lurch panicking with whom we were going to appoint a few weeks before the start of the season.

They should not be surprised it has ended up like this. We all thought they had matured and become wiser since being owners for as long as they have but sadly that isn't the case.

It's like we have gone backwards to 2014 and the Magath appointment Khan made.

I can't work how how TK operates but clearly he isn't fit for purpose after this appointment.

I think if we go down, the Khans will sell up.

Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on October 12, 2026, 10:32:00 PM
Quote from: Rambler on October 12, 2026, 10:06:19 PMI feel the ultimate blame has to go to the owners on this one.
It has been a foolish decision that hasn't worked, and hasn't worked in spectacular fashion. The games have been so odd to watch, firstly so open playing all out attack to now these kinda feeble incohesive 90 minutes where we can't really attack at all.

What is sad is that the owners had done absolutely zero succession planning despite it being so obvious to us that this needed to be done. Take note of clubs like Brighton which do this so well and yet we did not and have been left in the lurch panicking with whom we were going to appoint a few weeks before the start of the season.

They should not be surprised it has ended up like this. We all thought they had matured and become wiser since being owners for as long as they have but sadly that isn't the case.

So true, basing hiring decisions on advice from the guy redeveloping your NFL Stadium isn't a sound way to operate a club. But like most things here in the US, billionaires only listen to other billionaires.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: hopper on October 12, 2026, 10:53:18 PM
Yeah agree with sentiments above. So many red flags in that TK interview where he admitted to having no succession planning.

I've always thought our operations were pretty shambolic, contract extensions being continually so messy - Tete, Willian, TC, Silva. The same for many of our deals too.

Silva was a fantastic manager, and we built a good squad with experience. We had to change a bit with the new financial model to have younger players we could sell, but the turnover was a bit too much at once. Coupled with a totally inexperienced manager, and it looks like this has been poorly thought through. A lot of gambles needed to work out simultaneously.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: LC on October 13, 2026, 02:19:42 AM
Quote from: hopper on October 12, 2026, 10:53:18 PMYeah agree with sentiments above. So many red flags in that TK interview where he admitted to having no succession planning.

I've always thought our operations were pretty shambolic, contract extensions being continually so messy - Tete, Willian, TC, Silva. The same for many of our deals too.

Silva was a fantastic manager, and we built a good squad with experience. We had to change a bit with the new financial model to have younger players we could sell, but the turnover was a bit too much at once. Coupled with a totally inexperienced manager, and it looks like this has been poorly thought through. A lot of gambles needed to work out simultaneously.

I would never have left Lukic go to be honest. Would have kept him for another year even if his resale dropped considerably. You need that experience around the younger players.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Chi_FFC on October 13, 2026, 02:32:40 AM
Quote from: LC on October 13, 2026, 02:19:42 AM
Quote from: hopper on October 12, 2026, 10:53:18 PMYeah agree with sentiments above. So many red flags in that TK interview where he admitted to having no succession planning.

I've always thought our operations were pretty shambolic, contract extensions being continually so messy - Tete, Willian, TC, Silva. The same for many of our deals too.

Silva was a fantastic manager, and we built a good squad with experience. We had to change a bit with the new financial model to have younger players we could sell, but the turnover was a bit too much at once. Coupled with a totally inexperienced manager, and it looks like this has been poorly thought through. A lot of gambles needed to work out simultaneously.

I would never have left Lukic go to be honest. Would have kept him for another year even if his resale dropped considerably. You need that experience around the younger players.
Eh, we've got plenty of experience in the current squad.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: cwindsor on October 13, 2026, 03:25:47 AM
Quote from: FFC007 on October 10, 2026, 05:42:15 PMFulham goalscorer Ryan Sessegnon, also spoke after the match: "It's impossible to lose a game like that. We need to take a hard look at ourselves. It's a bit of mentality thing at the moment. We need to try and demand more from ourselves. We need to set higher standards for ourselves because it's going to be a hard season."

Arbeloa has clearly wrecked the dressing room... this is a worrying quote.

How did you arrive at your conclusion from that quote?
It sounded to me like Sessegnon is suggesting that the players need to take responsibility and raise their game.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: fulhamfever on October 13, 2026, 07:02:35 AM
Dude has a lot to learn about defending considering he was a defender by trade. However, I still say next 2 games determine how we go. Boss will be here on Saturday ahead of the NFL game on Sunday. Lets see how AA fairs.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC1987 on October 13, 2026, 10:02:02 AM
As much as I'd love to lay into AA (I've never been a fan. His personality and general demeanour just rub me the wrong way), the blame is entirely on the guys making the decisions above him. How anyone could look at him and think 'yeh, he's the perfect guy to come in and steer this turbulent ship with very little experience' is beyond me. A punt, in this league, is a manager with at least some background of success in management in foreign domestic leagues. I know some (including himself) were somehow linking his very short stint as Real coach as sufficient experience so I think it's obvious that's just a misguided attempt at optimism.

Not to make this a TK tirade, but if he really is as pivotal in decision making as he claims, then I think this is the final nail in the coffin for me and a full time DoF is actually needed.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: demeant0r on October 13, 2026, 10:22:40 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 13, 2026, 10:02:02 AMAs much as I'd love to lay into AA (I've never been a fan. His personality and general demeanour just rub me the wrong way), the blame is entirely on the guys making the decisions above him. How anyone could look at him and think 'yeh, he's the perfect guy to come in and steer this turbulent ship with very little experience' is beyond me. A punt, in this league, is a manager with at least some background of success in management in foreign domestic leagues. I know some (including himself) were somehow linking his very short stint as Real coach as sufficient experience so I think it's obvious that's just a misguided attempt at optimism.

Not to make this a TK tirade, but if he really is as pivotal in decision making as he claims, then I think this is the final nail in the coffin for me and a full time DoF is actually needed.

I love SK, he's been a great owner, but I honestly think SK bought Fulham to give his son something to do, to keep him busy, because who in their right mind would hire their son, someone with zero football experience, to be the DoF?
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on October 13, 2026, 10:25:23 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 13, 2026, 10:02:02 AMAs much as I'd love to lay into AA (I've never been a fan. His personality and general demeanour just rub me the wrong way), the blame is entirely on the guys making the decisions above him. How anyone could look at him and think 'yeh, he's the perfect guy to come in and steer this turbulent ship with very little experience' is beyond me. A punt, in this league, is a manager with at least some background of success in management in foreign domestic leagues. I know some (including himself) were somehow linking his very short stint as Real coach as sufficient experience so I think it's obvious that's just a misguided attempt at optimism.

Not to make this a TK tirade, but if he really is as pivotal in decision making as he claims, then I think this is the final nail in the coffin for me and a full time DoF is actually needed.

People keep saying we need a full time DOF, but the odds of Khan sacking his son are less than zero.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on October 13, 2026, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 13, 2026, 10:02:02 AMAs much as I'd love to lay into AA (I've never been a fan. His personality and general demeanour just rub me the wrong way), the blame is entirely on the guys making the decisions above him. How anyone could look at him and think 'yeh, he's the perfect guy to come in and steer this turbulent ship with very little experience' is beyond me. A punt, in this league, is a manager with at least some background of success in management in foreign domestic leagues. I know some (including himself) were somehow linking his very short stint as Real coach as sufficient experience so I think it's obvious that's just a misguided attempt at optimism.

Not to make this a TK tirade, but if he really is as pivotal in decision making as he claims, then I think this is the final nail in the coffin for me and a full time DoF is actually needed.

Don't forget the son had a sports statistical business (or whatever you call it) already working for his dad's NFL team and he needed a football team to play with.

The son appears to have built successful business off the back of his dad's wealth (with some hard work, granted) but IMO being the DOF at our club is just a game to him.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: IloveFFC on October 13, 2026, 10:45:59 AM
https://talksport.com/football/4640665/thomas-frank-next-fulham-manager-alvaro-arbeloa/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1791878001
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: sarnian on October 13, 2026, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: IloveFFC on October 13, 2026, 10:45:59 AMhttps://talksport.com/football/4640665/thomas-frank-next-fulham-manager-alvaro-arbeloa/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1791878001

Frank was hopeless at Spurs. Yes they had injuries but he couldn't even organise them as a semblance of a team, they were all over the shop when they played.

Southgate has been mentioned but a massive no from me. With the squad he had he should have won trophies for England but was so so negative.  Howe will be looking for a bigger job.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: C Block on October 13, 2026, 10:59:14 AM
Quote from: sarnian on October 13, 2026, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: IloveFFC on October 13, 2026, 10:45:59 AMhttps://talksport.com/football/4640665/thomas-frank-next-fulham-manager-alvaro-arbeloa/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1791878001

Frank was hopeless at Spurs. Yes they had injuries but he couldn't even organise them as a semblance of a team, they were all over the shop when they played.

Southgate has been mentioned but a massive no from me. With the squad he had he should have won trophies for England but was so so negative.  Howe will be looking for a bigger job.
Tottenham we're an absolute basket case at the time, look at what's happened to them after he left,
He did very well at Brentford a club that has more in common with Fulham than Spurs.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: john dempsey on October 13, 2026, 11:18:10 AM
We need a coach with good Vision who is able to Focus on
the bigger Picture, and get rid of the Negatives.
I give you Tonda Ekert. Ta! Dah!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Nick Bateman on October 13, 2026, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: john dempsey on October 13, 2026, 11:18:10 AMWe need a coach with good Vision who is able to Focus on
the bigger Picture, and get rid of the Negatives.
I give you Tonda Ekert. Ta! Dah!

I did say the Southampton manager at the start of the season and was roundly castigated. He was guilty of the "spygate scandal" but showed his aptitude in the EFL and the Carabou Cup beating Arsenal and us of course.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on October 13, 2026, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: john dempsey on October 13, 2026, 11:18:10 AMWe need a coach with good Vision who is able to Focus on
the bigger Picture, and get rid of the Negatives.
I give you Tonda Ekert. Ta! Dah!

The likes of Ekert, Hurzeler, Iraola are out there, excellent coaches and I don't just mean those that can put on an interesting session.

I'm sure many will have known these individuals due to the mass coverage of football these days but many will not.

I'm sure we were looking for a similar type but it was always bonkers to pick AA with his limited (and poor) record in elite football.




Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Andrew on October 13, 2026, 11:52:54 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 13, 2026, 10:02:02 AMAs much as I'd love to lay into AA (I've never been a fan. His personality and general demeanour just rub me the wrong way), the blame is entirely on the guys making the decisions above him. How anyone could look at him and think 'yeh, he's the perfect guy to come in and steer this turbulent ship with very little experience' is beyond me. A punt, in this league, is a manager with at least some background of success in management in foreign domestic leagues. I know some (including himself) were somehow linking his very short stint as Real coach as sufficient experience so I think it's obvious that's just a misguided attempt at optimism.

Not to make this a TK tirade, but if he really is as pivotal in decision making as he claims, then I think this is the final nail in the coffin for me and a full time DoF is actually needed.

I agree with every word you say but TK isn't going anywhere, unfortunately.

Years ago when he was settling I said he was totally useless and unemployable as  a DoF at any other club. If he was not his father's son he would have been chucked out years ago.... in fact I am not sure he would even have been taken on as the office junior at a professional football club. I have no idea what his capabilities are  with US so called football such as the jags, he might be a genius, the same with the wrestling, it is irrelevant to what is needed in proper football in England. He is not qualified and appears to have learned absolutely nothing.

He seems a nice enough young man but my team is sitting winless at the bottom of the league with a ridiculous choice for a manager that needs to be changed immediately not after the Hull or coventry match. Regardless of one's opinion of Frank he is a sensible candidate with a track record at a club like ours available right now, that would at least make sense to make that change. It's actually not my preference but we are in a difficult spot and the last thing we would need is another 'gamble.

The owner has a lot to answer for allowing this. They were/he was lucky with Marco, that much is for sure.

Still if the owner and son do not make the change immediately you/they will be able to eat Michelin inspired food at inflated prices in the Championship. that is for sure where we are headed.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on October 13, 2026, 12:25:33 PM
Quote from: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on October 13, 2026, 10:25:23 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 13, 2026, 10:02:02 AMAs much as I'd love to lay into AA (I've never been a fan. His personality and general demeanour just rub me the wrong way), the blame is entirely on the guys making the decisions above him. How anyone could look at him and think 'yeh, he's the perfect guy to come in and steer this turbulent ship with very little experience' is beyond me. A punt, in this league, is a manager with at least some background of success in management in foreign domestic leagues. I know some (including himself) were somehow linking his very short stint as Real coach as sufficient experience so I think it's obvious that's just a misguided attempt at optimism.

Not to make this a TK tirade, but if he really is as pivotal in decision making as he claims, then I think this is the final nail in the coffin for me and a full time DoF is actually needed.

People keep saying we need a full time DOF, but the odds of Khan sacking his son are less than zero.

So there is a chance then 🤞
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on October 13, 2026, 12:48:06 PM
So we are all agreed then, it is either Frank or Neil Warnock. Both would do a better job right from word go.
None of this needing to settle in nonsense.
Jimmy Greaves scored for every team on his debut he played for.
No need to go round half the world
to find a suitable manager.
We need someone whose been their before and knows how to fight, and scrap and make themselves difficult to score against.
Lift us up the League, by coming away undefeated, which builds confidence, creates a team spirit and good for moral and being undefeated becomes a good habit.
Goals change games, not laptops and stats.
I saw that Film "I Robot" and none of them could score a goal either.
When you're in trouble like we are, you have to go back to basics.
If we keep a clean sheet we only have to score one goal to win a game.
But we need Leaders with a strong Captain and all players must have a strong mentality.
Fulham FC are not a holiday camp, but unfortunately some players have treated the club like that, and spend more time in the Nightingale Ward at Motspur Park than on the training pitch.
This club needs a disciplinarian that knows how to man manage and get the best out of players.
We don't need a genius who is a fair weather coach.
They wouldn't be interested in coming to us anyway, plus we couldn't afford them.


Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: john dempsey on October 13, 2026, 01:18:16 PM
Magath was a Disciplinarian and that of course worked out brilliantly.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on October 13, 2026, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: john dempsey on October 13, 2026, 01:18:16 PMMagath was a Disciplinarian and that of course worked out brilliantly.

No he wasn't he was a tyrant and a control freak.
That's a big difference, plus he had no ability when it came to man manage.
So no cigar for you.

This club needs an exorcist to crow bar it out of its comfort zone.
It needs to start from the very top with the owner who needs to start attending more matches and not turn up when the Jags are in town playing that ridiculous game with crash helmets.
He needs to watch a proper sport which is at Craven Cottage.
He might just might learn something about football, but I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: WolverineFFC on October 13, 2026, 01:57:04 PM
Quote from: demeant0r on October 10, 2026, 07:03:38 PM
Quote from: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on October 10, 2026, 05:10:24 PMI still find it hard to believe with the enormous sums of money SK has invested in the club he hasn't hired any actual knowledgable football people to help him make the important footballing decisions. Arbeloa was a ridiculously naive and uninformed appointment. Probably just based on the advice of his billionaire buddy Perez. I think he just got lucky with Marco.

I think we just stumbled onto Marco by pure luck, TK doesn't have a fking clue about football.
Getting Marco when we did was pure circumstantial luck. He was clearly over qualified as a Championship manager, but was persona non grata in English football and needed an opportunity to rebuild his reputation.

I have zero confidence the Khan's are going to get this right. Their history in hiring managers is not good. Marco's incredible run has merely made us forget this.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: john dempsey on October 13, 2026, 02:04:25 PM
Football has not been a proper sport for decades,
Arguing,money,diving,money,VAR,money,etc. etc.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Buffalo76 on October 13, 2026, 07:50:36 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on October 10, 2026, 05:00:24 PMi think you have to give him hull and coventry. But yeah, i'm losing faith sadly



I'll give him Hull only. Anything less than 3 points and its Adios Arbeloa.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Super Mick on October 13, 2026, 07:56:29 PM
Get Mr Blobby in.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: spoonffc on October 13, 2026, 09:56:44 PM
With Frank, the Brentford connection isn't ideal, but if we can look past the petty football playground politics and actually look at the job in front of us, I think there's a good parallel with what he achieved there. He built a proper Premier League side, gave them an identity and played lovely football. For a club like Fulham, I think there's a lot to be said for that.

I've always rated Frank. He comes across as a good people person, I've liked the way he speaks about the game on punditry, and he clearly has a strong understanding of the Premier League. I think he'd bring a bit of harmony to the club and build on what's already there.

As for Tottenham, I think you have to write that one off. That club was ****** before he got there and is ****** afterwards. The problems run far deeper than one manager, and I don't think his time there should define him. Football has a habit of letting the reputation of a club swallow up the reputation of whoever happens to be managing it. Sometimes the club is the problem, not the man in the dugout. I'd rather judge him on what he achieved at Brentford than what happened in a situation that was broken long before he arrived.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 13, 2026, 10:01:09 PM
I'd go for Frank too.

He knows the league, he has succeeded at Brentford and let's be honest, he was dealt a bad deck at Spurs and had too many players who only looked after themselves.

At the moment, we need to be stabilised after the rubbish we've seen thus far.

Arbeloa is a busted flush... he needs to go.

Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 13, 2026, 10:02:40 PM
Quote from: john dempsey on October 13, 2026, 01:18:16 PMMagath was a Disciplinarian and that of course worked out brilliantly.

And this is why I think AA is a Magath regen. He's lost the dressing room with his abrasive mannerisms.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Fulham Tup North on October 14, 2026, 01:23:13 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 13, 2026, 12:48:06 PMJimmy Greaves scored for every team on his debut he played for.

Sorry Woolly... so your plan is for us to sign Jimmy Greaves??
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC In Oz on October 14, 2026, 04:05:22 AM
What's everyone got on their bingo cards for AA's sub roulette v Hull?

I'm hoping for Lecomte to partner Garcia up top in the last 10 minutes as we chase a goal
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on October 14, 2026, 07:34:41 AM
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on October 14, 2026, 01:23:13 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 13, 2026, 12:48:06 PMJimmy Greaves scored for every team on his debut he played for.

Sorry Woolly... so your plan is for us to sign Jimmy Greaves??


Hmmm you appear to have rumbled this cunning plan.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: S.F.Sorrow on October 14, 2026, 08:14:44 AM
I will be extremely surprised if Arbeloa can somehow manage to turn this around. I honestly can't remember ever seeing a Fulham manager so utterly incompetent. His team selection, tactics, game management and subs have all been truly shocking. His response to failure has been very alarming as well and smells of panic. I mean, bringing on Angel at that stage against Ipswich... Surely a manager at this level can't be THAT incompetent??? Ridiculous tactical decisions like this one makes it looks like he can't keep a cool head under pressure.

Headless chickens is the best way of describing how we have unravelled during most games this season. The players seem more and more confused for every minute that passes. It looks like they haven't got a clue what they're supposed to do when Arbeloa makes his baffling tactical changes and subs. During the later stages of some of our games this season I have honestly not been able to understand what formation we're supposed to be playing?!?

There are also rumours about his man management, which I can easily believe to be true based on how his personality comes across in the media.

Magath was mad, but at least he came with a prior history of success. Arbeloa's only managing experience above the Spanish 3rd tier was a short period as a caretaker manager for Real Madrid, where he made them underperform quite badly. Very strange appointment!

I never want us to lose, but perhaps a humiliating loss against Hull would actually be the best thing for the long term. Arbeloa will have to go sooner or later and if we get rid of him now, perhaps we can avoid relegation. Provided of course that our part-time, hobbyist DoF can find an adequate replacement...

Then again, maybe AA can turn this around, but it doesn't look very likely does it? I mean, it's not just that we keep losing, it's the way we do it.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Yamus on October 14, 2026, 08:54:32 AM
I thought of Frank in the beginning but I have noticed that Brentford are playing just as good if not better under their new manager who happened to be Franks assistant,so was Frank just the mouth piece?
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Andrew on October 14, 2026, 09:08:33 AM
Quote from: Yamus on October 14, 2026, 08:54:32 AMI thought of Frank in the beginning but I have noticed that Brentford are playing just as good if not better under their new manager who happened to be Franks assistant,so was Frank just the mouth piece?


The student can often be better than the teacher otherwise the world wouldn't progress.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 14, 2026, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on October 14, 2026, 04:05:22 AMWhat's everyone got on their bingo cards for AA's sub roulette v Hull?

I'm hoping for Lecomte to partner Garcia up top in the last 10 minutes as we chase a goal

With Angel in goal.....  ::beer::
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: JimmyConway on October 14, 2026, 09:26:50 AM
Quote from: Andrew on October 14, 2026, 09:08:33 AM
Quote from: Yamus on October 14, 2026, 08:54:32 AMI thought of Frank in the beginning but I have noticed that Brentford are playing just as good if not better under their new manager who happened to be Franks assistant,so was Frank just the mouth piece?


The student can often be better than the teacher otherwise the world wouldn't progress.
Personally think Frank is better suited to a well oiled machine like Brentford have been as opposed to the mess of Spurs let alone there expectations and ours which is hardly well oiled?
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC1987 on October 14, 2026, 09:52:07 AM
On the subs, I'll wager he subs Charles for Mami again just to try and spite fan opinion.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Deeping_white on October 14, 2026, 12:48:46 PM
I don't think the starting XI and tactics have been poor outside of the first game tactically, it's just the subs that seem bizarre and cost us points. If he'd made sensible like for like subs in the last 4 games (Liverpool aside) we'd probably be on 10 points by now.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Yamus on October 14, 2026, 03:45:46 PM
Very true Andrew but where is our student.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: KentFulham on October 14, 2026, 03:51:56 PM
Frank was one of my choices before AA came along, Frank would be a MASSIVE upgrade of AA and MS. He will sadly need to work with some of the dross MS nad AA have purchased, but he is certainly the better manager.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC007 on October 14, 2026, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: KentFulham on October 14, 2026, 03:51:56 PMFrank was one of my choices before AA came along, Frank would be a MASSIVE upgrade of AA and MS. He will sadly need to work with some of the dross MS and AA have purchased, but he is certainly the better manager.

Yep. Hopefully the dross that was purchased will improve markedly under Frank if he's appointed.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Jim© on October 14, 2026, 05:01:17 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on October 14, 2026, 08:14:44 AMI honestly can't remember ever seeing a Fulham manager so utterly incompetent

Hyperbole?
Come on, we've lost all our games by a single goal. We've been so close to 6 points in our last 2 games.
We've played pretty well in many parts of matches, just odd subs and poor personal performances thus far.

 
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Mickeyboro on October 14, 2026, 05:56:40 PM
Our big mistake is not having succession planning. Who knows who Marco's assistant was, and whether he could have succeeded.

Bring back Boa!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Jimsbeerbelly on October 14, 2026, 06:50:27 PM
Quote from: KentFulham on October 14, 2026, 03:51:56 PMFrank was one of my choices before AA came along, Frank would be a MASSIVE upgrade of AA and MS. He will sadly need to work with some of the dross MS nad AA have purchased, but he is certainly the better manager.

You seem to forget, whilst I do agree with you about Frank, is that he came trough the ranks at Brentford, and was supported in his managerial role by a very good board, scouting network and DoF. He doesn't get that at Fulham!
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC In Oz on October 15, 2026, 04:16:06 AM
Quote from: Jim© on October 14, 2026, 05:01:17 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on October 14, 2026, 08:14:44 AMI honestly can't remember ever seeing a Fulham manager so utterly incompetent

Hyperbole?
Come on, we've lost all our games by a single goal. We've been so close to 6 points in our last 2 games.
We've played pretty well in many parts of matches, just odd subs and poor personal performances thus far.

 

Right, but it's the nature of the defeats.  We've been in winning positions in three of those games, and could easily have got at least a point at Sunderland. 

Fact is, we have no idea what to do once we go ahead.  We sit deeper, Arbeloa puts on another CB and we invite pressure and cede huge amounts of possession
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Chi_FFC on October 15, 2026, 05:09:12 AM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on October 15, 2026, 04:16:06 AM
Quote from: Jim© on October 14, 2026, 05:01:17 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on October 14, 2026, 08:14:44 AMI honestly can't remember ever seeing a Fulham manager so utterly incompetent

Hyperbole?
Come on, we've lost all our games by a single goal. We've been so close to 6 points in our last 2 games.
We've played pretty well in many parts of matches, just odd subs and poor personal performances thus far.

 
We sit deeper, Arbeloa puts on another CB and we invite pressure and cede huge amounts of possession
I have plenty of issues with 1) the way we've reacted after taking a lead and 2) AA's substitutions, but he's only put on another CB once (against Man U) and by that time we were already under tremendous pressure and things actually got somewhat better after the additional CB came on (until United scored on a fluky deflected goal).
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC In Oz on October 15, 2026, 08:24:26 AM
Quote from: Chi_FFC on October 15, 2026, 05:09:12 AM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on October 15, 2026, 04:16:06 AM
Quote from: Jim© on October 14, 2026, 05:01:17 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on October 14, 2026, 08:14:44 AMI honestly can't remember ever seeing a Fulham manager so utterly incompetent

Hyperbole?
Come on, we've lost all our games by a single goal. We've been so close to 6 points in our last 2 games.
We've played pretty well in many parts of matches, just odd subs and poor personal performances thus far.

 
We sit deeper, Arbeloa puts on another CB and we invite pressure and cede huge amounts of possession
I have plenty of issues with 1) the way we've reacted after taking a lead and 2) AA's substitutions, but he's only put on another CB once (against Man U) and by that time we were already under tremendous pressure and things actually got somewhat better after the additional CB came on (until United scored on a fluky deflected goal).

You're right on the CB thing.

But yes, I'm glad you agree with my other points.  His game management is leaving a lot to be desired.

What on earth was he thinking with the Angel for Charles move?
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC1987 on October 15, 2026, 11:04:29 AM
Quote from: Mickeyboro on October 14, 2026, 05:56:40 PMOur big mistake is not having succession planning. Who knows who Marco's assistant was, and whether he could have succeeded.

Bring back Boa!

I think this is the biggest issue really. I can't imagine well run clubs like Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford having a scenario like this.

It is what it is I suppose but I can;t really stomach having to swallow up the positivity merchants when we have such glaring hang ups with processes that fully involve the DoF.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: WolverineFFC on October 15, 2026, 12:00:12 PM
Quote from: Yamus on October 14, 2026, 08:54:32 AMI thought of Frank in the beginning but I have noticed that Brentford are playing just as good if not better under their new manager who happened to be Franks assistant,so was Frank just the mouth piece?


My concern with Frank is that he is an organizational manager. Good club structure and competent work above him is vital for him to succeed. Fulham isn't that club. Neither was Spurs once Levy got pushed out.

It's no coincidence that the club's 2 best managers of the Khan era were constantly perceived as fighting with management. It takes a strong personality in the manager's position to succeed with their management structure.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: WindyCity on October 15, 2026, 03:39:06 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on October 15, 2026, 08:24:26 AMWhat on earth was he thinking with the Angel for Charles move?

That was the head scratcher for me.  First off, Angel really hasn't proven himself at PL level, has he?  Seems more like a squad player pick up to learn as time goes by.  Secondly, though I wouldn't say Charles was having a particularly good game, he's still a solid player and his marriage with Berge has proven to be pretty good so far I would think.  No reason for Charles coming off at all, regardless for who, let alone Angel. 
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: LC on October 15, 2026, 06:27:07 PM
Make or break weekend for the manager
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: sunburywhite on October 15, 2026, 06:33:12 PM
I would expect to see Reed on the bench at the weekend especially after Alvarylan made him captain in the first few preseason friendlies

Surely he has to have him there to break things up in last 20

Plus TC to calm things down
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: FFC In Oz on October 16, 2026, 06:57:28 AM
Quote from: WindyCity on October 15, 2026, 03:39:06 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on October 15, 2026, 08:24:26 AMWhat on earth was he thinking with the Angel for Charles move?

That was the head scratcher for me.  First off, Angel really hasn't proven himself at PL level, has he?  Seems more like a squad player pick up to learn as time goes by.  Secondly, though I wouldn't say Charles was having a particularly good game, he's still a solid player and his marriage with Berge has proven to be pretty good so far I would think.  No reason for Charles coming off at all, regardless for who, let alone Angel. 

It's the defensive solidity and physical presence (especially at set pieces) that Charles provides as well.

Personally I would've probably shifted Iwobi for another industrious, physical midfielder like Larsson, but what do I know
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Whitestone on October 16, 2026, 08:16:48 AM
Quote from: sunburywhite on October 15, 2026, 06:33:12 PMI would expect to see Reed on the bench at the weekend especially after Alvarylan made him captain in the first few preseason friendlies

Surely he has to have him there to break things up in last 20

Plus TC to calm things down

Reed isn't anywhere near good enough to play in the Premier League these days. We brought in Larsson and that's who the manager should be using.
TC can't possibly be match fit, although I am a fan and can see an argument for having him in the squad.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: LC on October 17, 2026, 01:34:38 PM
Lose or draw today and he has to go.

Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: I Ronic on October 17, 2026, 02:12:58 PM
If I'm honest, I'm tired of mid table (which usually translates to two thirds down the table) Ageing squads and predictable results.
It's not working 100% at the moment but there's something there. An arrogant comment made by the manager? So what, if you don't believe in yourself how are you going to convince 20 odd egos running round on the training ground?
I think AA and his squad will come good. Maybe not today or next week but they'll come good.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Logicalman on October 17, 2026, 02:56:37 PM
Quote from: WindyCity on October 15, 2026, 03:39:06 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on October 15, 2026, 08:24:26 AMWhat on earth was he thinking with the Angel for Charles move?

That was the head scratcher for me.  First off, Angel really hasn't proven himself at PL level, has he?  Seems more like a squad player pick up to learn as time goes by.  Secondly, though I wouldn't say Charles was having a particularly good game, he's still a solid player and his marriage with Berge has proven to be pretty good so far I would think.  No reason for Charles coming off at all, regardless for who, let alone Angel. 

Let's get used to the fact he brought in three of his previous players, and he wants to play them over and above the settled Fulham players. Start with that premise and you won't need to ask such questions. Don't be surprised either should we find those three in starting line-ups on a regular basis whilst AA is in charge.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Moussa Dembele the 3rd on October 17, 2026, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on October 17, 2026, 02:56:37 PM
Quote from: WindyCity on October 15, 2026, 03:39:06 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on October 15, 2026, 08:24:26 AMWhat on earth was he thinking with the Angel for Charles move?

That was the head scratcher for me.  First off, Angel really hasn't proven himself at PL level, has he?  Seems more like a squad player pick up to learn as time goes by.  Secondly, though I wouldn't say Charles was having a particularly good game, he's still a solid player and his marriage with Berge has proven to be pretty good so far I would think.  No reason for Charles coming off at all, regardless for who, let alone Angel. 

Let's get used to the fact he brought in three of his previous players, and he wants to play them over and above the settled Fulham players. Start with that premise and you won't need to ask such questions. Don't be surprised either should we find those three in starting line-ups on a regular basis whilst AA is in charge.

All three of them in the starting line-up? Well that would be a disaster.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Sgt Fulham on October 17, 2026, 05:06:50 PM
Well he went and clapped the fans this time. Baby steps but in the right direction.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: the nutflush on October 17, 2026, 05:10:54 PM
His subs were better decisions today.  Had to be Cairney first on.  I'm just glad he didnt screw that up. Small win.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Fulham 1879 on October 17, 2026, 05:13:49 PM
Before the game I posted that I was solidly behind AA. Too many fans would have sacked God on day 4 because he hadn't yet finished the job. Time is required for AA as well as Garcia and Palacios.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Dodgin on October 17, 2026, 05:14:44 PM
AA can't be blamed for the 1-0 scoreline today but we could have seen Muniz.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: RaySmith on October 17, 2026, 05:20:19 PM
Very pleased for the manager and players.

A fully deserved victory, in what was a potential hiding to nothing - against a pretty poor seeming Hull team, with five across the back -
 but we well know that they could have done us in the closing stages, after we'd failed to capitalise on all our possession and some great chances, after going one up.

Well done Fulham COYW ::scarf::
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on October 17, 2026, 05:27:10 PM
AA's tactics blew Hull away. Give them time.
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: the nutflush on October 17, 2026, 05:34:20 PM
Quote from: Dodgin on October 17, 2026, 05:14:44 PMAA can't be blamed for the 1-0 scoreline today but we could have seen Muniz.

I would be worried if we didnt see him next week.  How Garcia missed that header I will never know. 
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: fulhamfever on October 17, 2026, 05:35:16 PM
I feel he got his tactics right today but the players who missed chance after chance has to be looked at coz seriously King missed two sitters
Title: Re: Álvaro Arbeloa
Post by: Ruislip White on October 17, 2026, 07:19:35 PM
The tactics were right for 70 plus minutes - but the late game management was questionable yet again.  Cairney was a good substitution.  Bringing Sess onto right wing and Palacios on up top made no sense at all.   Surely Anderson into defence and possibly Muniz up top for Garcia for an outlet would have been logical.
We avoided yet another late disaster despite his substitutions. 
Hull were awful, and a better team would have punished us.
Still completely unconvinced - that unless we are 2-0 up at 80 mins,  Arbeloa will be able to win games at this level.