http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11695/7343417/Black-Cats-sack-Bruce (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11695/7343417/Black-Cats-sack-Bruce)
I wrote the other day about how he has walked out on clubs in the past so i have no sympathy for him at all.
And anyway is he that good a manager?Would any if you have him here?
I love it; transfer out all the talent because you don't want to pay the wages and then sack the gaffer when the club slides down the table.
Quote from: HatterDon on November 30, 2011, 06:33:34 PM
I love it; transfer out all the talent because you don't want to pay the wages and then sack the gaffer when the club slides down the table.
Whilst I dont rate Bruce as a manager, I agree with you here.
Bruce has had money to spend, but most of that has been recouped by the board selling players.
Hopefully they dont get Hughes, as he will do a good job.
Quote from: HatterDon on November 30, 2011, 06:33:34 PM
I love it; transfer out all the talent because you don't want to pay the wages and then sack the gaffer when the club slides down the table.
Disagree, Steve Bruce had plenty of time to replace the talent except for Gyan but he still managed to get Bendtner in. He had quite a bit of money to spend in the summer and brought in players like Vaughan, Gardner and Larsson who're all decent premier league players. As for filling the Bent/Welbeck/Gyan gap, he only brought in Bendtner right at the very end and his only other striker signing being Conor Wickham for 8 Million who clearly isn't ready for this level yet. Sunderland started brightly the past two seasons but form fizzled out both times in the second half of the season which led to poorer than expected finishes.
Hughes and O'Neill are the obvious candidates.
I have Mackem friends and I can honestly say he wasn't wanted to start with because of his Geordie roots. There is some real hatred between the two sets of supporters...it was never going too work...
They actually havent got that bad a squad, and were active in the last window, so no excuse really.
This is a good read about Bruce http://guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked?cat=football&type=article
"I'm not really in to tactics"...
Says it all really.
Quote from: HatterDon on November 30, 2011, 06:33:34 PM
I love it; transfer out all the talent because you don't want to pay the wages and then sack the gaffer when the club slides down the table.
I can't seem to find the post where I tallied all the transfers in and out of Sunderland under Bruce's reign, but the proof is in the pudding (if it can be found...)
Brucey wasn't selling talent and replacing it with bums. He simply had no clue what he was doing.
Have to agree with the growing consensus.
Simply amazed that Bruce has lasted as long as he did. Sunderland fans had long since lost patience with him. I think O'Neill's a Sunderland fan. Could he tempted?
Ok, so where does he end up? Is he a Championship manager when the dust settles?
Gee after reading the guardian article you have to wonder who was on the selection committee to appoint him in the first place?!?
wow "not into tactics" unbelievable
Absolute dinosaur and really the Sunderland board should be taking a long hard look at themselves for appointing someone so clearly behind the times - they're just as bad as when the article talks about Bruce not being able to send an email.
Decent size club, decent squad - be it MO'N or Leslie, or AN Other, there's a decent job waiting to be filled there. And Bruce was far from a hard act to follow - even Coleman might do better.
Shame he's gone really as whoever comes in will do a better job and the Mackems will start to climb the table.
30% win rate with major financial backing. If Bruce didn't play under SAF I think he'd be managing in League 1 at best, or not at all.
For a start, how can any player take notice of someone that looks like he has a 'space hopper' on his shoulders?
Never rated him and have no sympathy the way he's shat on every club he's been at.
He's only been in the game so long because he played at utd under Ferguson.
Quote from: leonffc on December 01, 2011, 08:58:46 AM
For a start, how can any player take notice of someone that looks like he has a 'space hopper' on his shoulders?
Never rated him and have no sympathy the way he's shat on every club he's been at.
He's only been in the game so long because he played at utd under Ferguson.
Must be an Ex-Man Utd thing, Hughes did the same on his clubs too.
Would never want him at our club and I think he will be too 'proud' to drop to the Championship although that is his level. He will be one of the first candidate to be talked about when there is a sacking about to take place, alongside MO'N, Hughes, Curbishley, as well as previous favourites McClaren & Pardew. So relegation bound sides in the league looking for a change but too desperate to make the right one will appoint him, as he used to play at Man Utd so 'must' know football
'Must be an Ex-Man Utd thing, Hughes does the same on his clubs too.'
Actually think there might be something to that - for their playing career they got away with murder, and they're not going to rough it and tough it out if things start going against them. That said, Hughes is five times the manager Bruce will ever be.
Quote from: BalDrick on December 01, 2011, 09:14:11 AM
'Must be an Ex-Man Utd thing, Hughes does the same on his clubs too.'
Actually think there might be something to that - for their playing career they got away with murder, and they're not going to rough it and tough it out if things start going against them. That said, Hughes is five times the manager Bruce will ever be.
Not sure it is a Man United thing, Fergie never took much grief from his players.
Maybe it is modern player/manager syndrome. If you have played in the prem, loyalty is nothing, why should it change when you become a manager?
Steve Bruce always seemed to me to be a more or less borderline competent manager who adds no value.
No idea how he keeps getting jobs.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on December 01, 2011, 09:28:34 AM
Steve Bruce always seemed to me to be a more or less borderline competent manager who adds no value.
No idea how he keeps getting jobs.
I am increasingly coming round to this view.
Originally, I thought he was rubbish, but now I think he is one of those managers who can do a poor/passable job with good resources, but wont ever achieve anything significant.
Take the resources away, and he has nothing though.
'Maybe it is modern player/manager syndrome.'There's some truth to that - has to be said, a lot of ex-players of recent times have gone into management and not many of them have done a lot. Of the ex-players from top clubs, you'd have to say Hughes is probably the most successful of the lot, yet the jury's still out on him long term. Pardew very nearly didn't make it. Then you've got Ince, Coleman, Adams, Bryan Robson, Bruce - not exactly made the grade have they? I'm sure there are others.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on December 01, 2011, 09:28:34 AM
Steve Bruce always seemed to me to be a more or less borderline competent manager who adds no value.
No idea how he keeps getting jobs.
I've always thought that - and have said so plenty of times.
Quote from: BalDrick on December 01, 2011, 09:38:58 AM
'Maybe it is modern player/manager syndrome.'
There's some truth to that - has to be said, a lot of ex-players of recent times have gone into management and not many of them have done a lot. Of the ex-players from top clubs, you'd have to say Hughes is probably the most successful of the lot, yet the jury's still out on him long term. Pardew very nearly didn't make it. Then you've got Ince, Coleman, Adams, Bryan Robson, Bruce - not exactly made the grade have they? I'm sure there are others.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on December 01, 2011, 09:28:34 AM
Steve Bruce always seemed to me to be a more or less borderline competent manager who adds no value.
No idea how he keeps getting jobs.
I've always thought that - and have said so plenty of times.
Roy Keane another ex Man Utd player expected to rule the roost and take over from Fergie. Clearly not up to it though. Does anything think Hughes may have an eye on the Man Utd role when Fergie one day decides to hang up the clipboard? Perhaps he gets some european Champions League experience with a smaller title winning club on the continent and then come back to Old Trafford a potential boss?
Another recent player turn manager was Gareth Southgate, who I always fancied to make a decent manager however I don't think he's not agressive enough to instil fear into his players if they don't perform(especially in the Premier League where it is a very physical, adrenaline type league) , he hasnt got that ruthlessness I guess, which a lot of top manager do (many don't however, eg Hiddink, Ancelloti etc etc)
Yeah sure Hughes sees himself taking over at OT at some stage in the future but, particularly after he bailed on us, he's not going to have enough time to do a decent enough job anywhere to take over from Slur Alex. Albeit that would have been a very hard act to follow.
Quote from: Burt on November 30, 2011, 09:21:16 PM
[...]and were active in the last window[...]so no excuse really
That is the excuse, Burt. Replace Bent, Gyan, Welbeck and all the others in this short amout of time is ridiculous.
Mark Hughes' is favourite and heavily backed in the media. Haha. Good luck, Mr Shot.
I like Steve Bruce. Good manager.