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Title: Senderos
Post by: earlbeatty on December 17, 2011, 11:55:56 PM
Loved his clenched fist celebrating after the game!!

Always good to see the players acknowledge the fans after the game and they all seemed well chuffed with the win (as was I!!).

Bring on that little mob from up North!!
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Jack Fulham on December 18, 2011, 01:15:22 AM
Senderos put in a top performance today. Part of the reason we have the 2nd highest clean sheets in the league.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Travers Barney on December 18, 2011, 12:11:35 PM
Senderos really hasn't done too much wrong since he came into the team bar dislodging one of the clubs finest central defensive partnerships and thats hardly his fault.

Just wish some of the fans around where I sit would stop digging him out at every opportunity.

We are the whites
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: DevonFFC on December 18, 2011, 12:27:14 PM
Watched the celebration there was pride and excitement in it, something not seen with all the players getting involved and genuine applaud!!
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Me-ate-Live, innit?? on December 18, 2011, 12:52:27 PM
Senderos is like a good fake handbag,  looks great  at a distance, but on close inspection the stitching is dodgy and the hardware is a tad tarnished .............................. basically...........................he will let us down at the big event     096.gig


I always loved Pascal Zuberbühler, he never got a chance, but he was always there with encouraging words and celebrated with   to the other players
................................................................and  always appeared to be a team player and enjoyed his time with us.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: AlFayedsChequebook on December 18, 2011, 12:57:53 PM
Quote from: KCat on December 18, 2011, 12:52:27 PM
Senderos is like a good fake handbag,  looks great  at a distance, but on close inspection the stitching is dodgy and the hardware is a tad tarnished .............................. basically...........................he will let us down at the big event     096.gig

Based on?

Everyone has been saying this as if it is the surest thing in the world.

Every player has the potential to mess up big time, and some players have this season, but Senderos has been near perfect. The stick he gets because people think he looks like an 'accident waiting to happen' is beyond ridiculous.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Me-ate-Live, innit?? on December 18, 2011, 01:03:17 PM
We and he was very lucky ...that he was not sent off on a number of occasions this season.   That old chestnut of bundling a player over and putting your hands in the air  to indicate :  ''  It  weren't me gov ..honest ''  only works now and then
Senderos has had his now and then !!!
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: AlFayedsChequebook on December 18, 2011, 01:06:29 PM
Quote from: KCat on December 18, 2011, 01:03:17 PM
We and he was very lucky ...that he was not sent off on a number of occasions this season.   That old chestnut of bundling a player over and putting your hands in the air  to indicate :  ''  It  weren't me gov ..honest ''  only works now and then
Senderos has had his now and then !!!

He treads the line carefully. But that was once, against the tricky suarez, and his defending and fouling ultimately helped to get us 3 points.

Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: epsomraver on December 18, 2011, 01:09:56 PM
Quote from: KCat on December 18, 2011, 01:03:17 PM
We and he was very lucky ...that he was not sent off on a number of occasions this season.   That old chestnut of bundling a player over and putting your hands in the air  to indicate :  ''  It  weren't me gov ..honest ''  only works now and then
Senderos has had his now and then !!!

And Sidwell hasn't ?Murphy hasn't ?
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Me-ate-Live, innit?? on December 18, 2011, 01:20:18 PM
.....but 'Raver ......Sidders and Murph are not  central defenders


Didn't Big Phil bring down Charlie Adams ???
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: SG on December 18, 2011, 01:34:15 PM
Quote from: KCat on December 18, 2011, 01:20:18 PM
.....but 'Raver ......Sidders and Murph are not  central defenders


Didn't Big Phil bring down Charlie Adams ???

I too am waiting for him to be the 'accident waiting to happen' (my Arsenal mate calls him Sendusdross) but please give him credit as it hasnt happened yet whenever he has played this season. Yes he did bring down Adams but that was because the midfielders you mentioned didnt do their job and allowed the situation to be one on one with Adams running unchallenged straight at a central defender.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: epsomraver on December 18, 2011, 01:36:06 PM
Agreed, it is a very thin line between aggression and thuggery, I feel he wants to impress and keep his team place and tries sometimes a little too vigoursly
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: ImperialWhite on December 18, 2011, 01:39:48 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on December 18, 2011, 01:06:29 PM
Quote from: KCat on December 18, 2011, 01:03:17 PM
We and he was very lucky ...that he was not sent off on a number of occasions this season.   That old chestnut of bundling a player over and putting your hands in the air  to indicate :  ''  It  weren't me gov ..honest ''  only works now and then
Senderos has had his now and then !!!

He treads the line carefully. But that was once, against the tricky suarez, and his defending and fouling ultimately helped to get us 3 points.



If we were Scousers we'd have been furious about the Senderos foul in that game.

Great player (I can see Hangeland/Senderos being our partnership for a while now), but he does tackle too hard sometimes I think.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: AlFayedsChequebook on December 18, 2011, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 18, 2011, 01:39:48 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on December 18, 2011, 01:06:29 PM
Quote from: KCat on December 18, 2011, 01:03:17 PM
We and he was very lucky ...that he was not sent off on a number of occasions this season.   That old chestnut of bundling a player over and putting your hands in the air  to indicate :  ''  It  weren't me gov ..honest ''  only works now and then
Senderos has had his now and then !!!

He treads the line carefully. But that was once, against the tricky suarez, and his defending and fouling ultimately helped to get us 3 points.



If we were Scousers we'd have been furious about the Senderos foul in that game.

Great player (I can see Hangeland/Senderos being our partnership for a while now), but he does tackle too hard sometimes I think.

He had to make it. The challenge was a foul, but it wasn't malicious, just aimed at stopping him before he entered the area and could dive (as he is well known for). Cynical defending, but it stops us conceding. What if Hughes had done that when Saha burst alongside him and then scored? We would be 1 point better off.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Mitch on December 18, 2011, 01:58:46 PM

I can't stand the s**t Senderos gets. Hasn't let us down once since we signed him, battled back from a bad injury and is now infront Aaron Hughes on nothing but merit. Some fans have preconceived perceptions of players and won't alter them, despite what is infront of their eyes (more often than not, the ones who do this are the ones that attend once a season - you'll see them on twitter asking who's going to be in the Golden Lion, desperate to impress) - so they don't give players a chance. Senderos receives even more flack because he's replacing the Mr Reliable, a player who tends to have any mistakes ignored, and that's unfair on Senderos.

I'm glad he's turning the crowd around, as he clearly won over both Mark Hughes and Martin Jol. At 26, he is a progressive change that will not only improve us, but also he can stay with us for a good time.

We're going to see more favourites replaced soon - Hughes, Murphy, Zamora, AJ - due to age and form. I hope whoever comes in is given more of a chance initially than Senderos was afforded.

Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: ImperialWhite on December 18, 2011, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: Mitch on December 18, 2011, 01:58:46 PM
We're going to see more favourites replaced soon - Hughes, Murphy, Zamora, AJ - due to age and form. I hope whoever comes in is given more of a chance initially than Senderos was afforded.

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There's optimism for you...
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: AlFayedsChequebook on December 18, 2011, 02:07:43 PM
Quote from: Mitch on December 18, 2011, 01:58:46 PM

I can't stand the s**t Senderos gets. Hasn't let us down once since we signed him, battled back from a bad injury and is now infront Aaron Hughes on nothing but merit. Some fans have preconceived perceptions of players and won't alter them, despite what is infront of their eyes (more often than not, the ones who do this are the ones that attend once a season - you'll see them on twitter asking who's going to be in the Golden Lion, desperate to impress) - so they don't give players a chance. Senderos receives even more flack because he's replacing the Mr Reliable, a player who tends to have any mistakes ignored, and that's unfair on Senderos.

I'm glad he's turning the crowd around, as he clearly won over both Mark Hughes and Martin Jol. At 26, he is a progressive change that will not only improve us, but also he can stay with us for a good time.

We're going to see more favourites replaced soon - Hughes, Murphy, Zamora, AJ - due to age and form. I hope whoever comes in is given more of a chance initially than Senderos was afforded.



I would also add that Senderos is much better on the ball than Hughes. He can pass progressively on the floor and is totally comfortable on the ball. We look a better side with him and Hangeland at the back as they tend to hoof it much less.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Me-ate-Live, innit?? on December 18, 2011, 02:16:53 PM
IMO  tackling in front of goal is about timing, it takes a while for the defender to work out the attackers,  motion particularly if they have not played against them before.  If the defender has had success in the past against a particular Striker , the defender has the upper hand.
...a bit like ten people on a skipping rope  each person has to time their entry and exit so as not to disrupt the rope.

Philippe's  timing  makes me nervous, that's all I am saying.  


Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Mitch on December 18, 2011, 02:26:24 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 18, 2011, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: Mitch on December 18, 2011, 01:58:46 PM
We're going to see more favourites replaced soon - Hughes, Murphy, Zamora, AJ - due to age and form. I hope whoever comes in is given more of a chance initially than Senderos was afforded.

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Well, it's going to happen isn't it? We might get people being anti Jol etc, but these players can't go on forever.

There's a real symmetry between us and Chelsea at the moment with new managers, new tactics, ageing squad.

It's going to be interesting!
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Duncs on December 18, 2011, 03:01:09 PM
I was impressed with the way he was directing the other players on numerous occasions yesterday (in a good way - at least from where I could see).

He was continually marshaling them to hold the line and move forward.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: MrCheviot on December 18, 2011, 03:11:28 PM
I loved the Hughes & Hangeland partnership, but as mentioned Senderous has earned the spot due to merit. He provides needed additional height, and he's crafty enough to tread the line between fouls and penalties. I definitely think our distribution from the back is better when he's in, mainly b/c I've being paying closer attention to Hughes passing of late and haven't been very impressed.

Plus he's only 26 and has many good years ahead of him. Here's hoping he & Brede will provide at least as many solid years as H&H did.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: cmg on December 18, 2011, 03:59:09 PM

'accident waiting to happen' is one of the more annoying of the many clichés that get bandied about.

Please be assured that all players with defensive roles are 'accidents waiting to happen', it's the nature of the job. The trick is not to let them happen.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Senior Supporter on December 18, 2011, 05:26:08 PM
Quote from: cmg on December 18, 2011, 03:59:09 PM

'accident waiting to happen' is one of the more annoying of the many clichés that get bandied about.

Please be assured that all players with defensive roles are 'accidents waiting to happen', it's the nature of the job. The trick is not to let them happen.


The other one that is annoying is "a red card waiting to happen", often levelled at Sidders. Remind me, how many times has he been sent off since he joined us?
Hell, what HAVE I said.  fp.gif
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Mitch on December 18, 2011, 05:46:51 PM
You know as soon as it happens, ie a Senderos gaff/Sidwell sending off, they will come out the woodwork claiming their preconceived ideas were right all along.
For me it comes down to a lack of their football knowledge and understanding of the game.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: ImperialWhite on December 18, 2011, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: Mitch on December 18, 2011, 05:46:51 PM
You know as soon as it happens, ie a Senderos gaff/Sidwell sending off, they will come out the woodwork claiming their preconceived ideas were right all along.
For me it comes down to a lack of their football knowledge and understanding of the game.

In fairness to the woodworms, Sidwell does have a higher than [squad] average number of yellows per game.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: alfie on December 18, 2011, 07:40:19 PM
Quote from: KCat on December 18, 2011, 12:52:27 PM
Senderos is like a good fake handbag,  looks great  at a distance, but on close inspection the stitching is dodgy and the hardware is a tad tarnished .............................. basically...........................he will let us down at the big event     096.gig


I always loved Pascal Zuberbühler, he never got a chance, but he was always there with encouraging words and celebrated with   to the other players
................................................................and  always appeared to be a team player and enjoyed his time with us.

KCat why can't you just have a bit of faith in your players, this guy came here picked up a serious injury worked bloody hard to recover, get fit and work his way into the team, yes he has had the odd blip but then so has Hangerland so Has Murphy, give the guy a little credit and if it does happen then i am sure you will be straight on here saying I told you so.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: LRCN on December 18, 2011, 07:51:14 PM
went nuts when he signed because he is absolute class and on the level of hangeland when he is confident and playing well. he suffered a crisis of confidence at arsenal which turned him from teenager in the champions league final to a parody of a defender but where is a better place than fulham to rescue a career? brilliant bit of work from roy and im really glad he's playign consistently now.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Mitch on December 18, 2011, 08:02:03 PM
When you consider the prices paid for Scott Dann and Roger Johnson, fees quoted for Samba and Gary Chaill, how lucky are we to have got Senderos for absolutely zip!?
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Burt on December 18, 2011, 08:04:49 PM
Don't understand all the bad-mouthing. He is in the side on merit, and has slotted in well.

Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: NogoodBoyo on December 18, 2011, 10:12:20 PM
The man is steel hard.   He can pass.   He works well with Hangeland to the extent they will soon be called Hangeros and Sendeland.  Sorry, KC, can't fly with you on this one.
Nogood "Senderoff is not dross, isit" Boyo
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Snibbo on December 19, 2011, 01:42:40 AM
Just to add my voice to the "Senderos has done very little wrong" lobby.

Even Brede makes mistakes. I can think of a dodgy header into the danger area in the 2nd half v Bolton, and there is an argument that he was seriously out of position for the 2nd Odense goal. Not having a go at Brede, but if Senderos did either of those, he would be crucified.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: finnster01 on December 19, 2011, 02:05:40 AM
I take Hughes over Senderos any day.

Senderos may be a better player (and younger), but Hughes compliments Hangers better
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: White Noise on December 19, 2011, 07:39:24 AM
Will be Fulham Captain once Danny steps down. Hangeland too diffident.



Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Fulham_Adam on December 19, 2011, 08:26:17 AM
I believe Senderos is part of the defence that holds the record for most amount of minutes without conceding a goal at the world cup?

Personally as much as I love Hughes I believe Senderos is a better player.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: TonyGilroy on December 19, 2011, 08:32:28 AM

Senderos impresses me and being 6 years younger than Hughes is a perfectly sound reason for prefering him.

Only 3 teams have conceded fewer goals than us so whatever the criticism of Jol he clearly has not weakened us defensively.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Tom on December 19, 2011, 08:33:30 AM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on December 19, 2011, 08:32:28 AM

Senderos impresses me and being 6 years younger than Hughes is a perfectly sound reason for prefering him.

Only 3 teams have conceded fewer goals than us so whatever the criticism of Jol he clearly has not weakened us defensively.
Nicely said Tony!
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: AlFayedsChequebook on December 19, 2011, 10:04:02 AM
Quote from: Mitch on December 18, 2011, 08:02:03 PM
When you consider the prices paid for Scott Dann and Roger Johnson, fees quoted for Samba and Gary Chaill, how lucky are we to have got Senderos for absolutely zip!?

Thanks for this point,  when you mentioned it I was thinking 'damn!' what a deal we got!

If Senderos becomes as good as Hangeland (and at this stage, there is no reason why he shouldn't) then we will have had two of the best defenders in the prem playing for us for £2.5m in transfer fees. Someone get the scouting department a bottle of champagne. To put this into perspective, Richard Dunne = £6m, Joleon Lescott = £22m
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: finnster01 on December 19, 2011, 10:12:41 AM
And allegedly Zat Knight = £4m by Bolton...  080.gif
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Mitch on December 19, 2011, 11:37:18 AM
Quote from: Fulham_Adam on December 19, 2011, 08:26:17 AM
I believe Senderos is part of the defence that holds the record for most amount of minutes without conceding a goal at the world cup?

Personally as much as I love Hughes I believe Senderos is a better player.

In fairness, he came off early in the Spain game with an injury.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Ed on December 19, 2011, 11:59:59 AM
You wouldn't want to meet him on a dark night though!
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: zzamora on December 19, 2011, 01:15:06 PM
Finnster, is there ANYTHING good at fulham that you vaguely like?

Everything is always crap, hughes out, jol out, zamora out, senderos out... we need this player and this player and good old days and this and that.

Just cheer up for once  :014:
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Jack Fulham on December 19, 2011, 01:19:47 PM
Agree with everything Lork said. Senderos was one of the most in demand players when he was younger but chose to go Arsenal. Hopefully he's settled now because he's class. People say he fouls too much but sometimes they benefit us i.e Liverpool, they would of been in. Hughes would never make those challenges. Sometimes you have to make tactical fouls and Senderos is very good at it.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: cmg on December 19, 2011, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: Fulham_Adam on December 19, 2011, 08:26:17 AM
I believe Senderos is part of the defence that holds the record for most amount of minutes without conceding a goal at the world cup?

Personally as much as I love Hughes I believe Senderos is a better player.

Yes, Senderos played in the Swiss defence that did not concede a goal in actual play the 2006 WC, although he missed the quarter-final through injury. He was a teenage sensation, who didn't quite make it to the predicted levels....until now!

And the goalkeeper behind this remarkable record?......
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 01:30:29 PM
Quote from: cmg on December 19, 2011, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: Fulham_Adam on December 19, 2011, 08:26:17 AM
I believe Senderos is part of the defence that holds the record for most amount of minutes without conceding a goal at the world cup?

Personally as much as I love Hughes I believe Senderos is a better player.

Yes, Senderos played in the Swiss defence that did not concede a goal in actual play the 2006 WC, although he missed the quarter-final through injury. He was a teenage sensation, who didn't quite make it to the predicted levels....until now!

And the goalkeeper behind this remarkable record?......

One Pascal Zuberbuhler...
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: zzamora on December 19, 2011, 01:30:55 PM
Quote from: cmg on December 19, 2011, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: Fulham_Adam on December 19, 2011, 08:26:17 AM
I believe Senderos is part of the defence that holds the record for most amount of minutes without conceding a goal at the world cup?

Personally as much as I love Hughes I believe Senderos is a better player.

Yes, Senderos played in the Swiss defence that did not concede a goal in actual play the 2006 WC, although he missed the quarter-final through injury. He was a teenage sensation, who didn't quite make it to the predicted levels....until now!

And the goalkeeper behind this remarkable record?......

I know this one!

PASCAL ZUBERHULER
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: zzamora on December 19, 2011, 01:30:55 PM
Quote from: cmg on December 19, 2011, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: Fulham_Adam on December 19, 2011, 08:26:17 AM
I believe Senderos is part of the defence that holds the record for most amount of minutes without conceding a goal at the world cup?

Personally as much as I love Hughes I believe Senderos is a better player.

Yes, Senderos played in the Swiss defence that did not concede a goal in actual play the 2006 WC, although he missed the quarter-final through injury. He was a teenage sensation, who didn't quite make it to the predicted levels....until now!

And the goalkeeper behind this remarkable record?......

I know this one!

PASCAL ZUBERHULER

Beat you too it Mr Z. Gutted ;)
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: cmg on December 19, 2011, 01:34:25 PM
Yes, sir.

We were fortunate with injuries while he was with us and therefore he was not required.
He was a fine professional and did excellent work on the coaching side.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: cmg on December 19, 2011, 01:34:25 PM
Yes, sir.

We were fortunate with injuries while he was with us and therefore he was not required.
He was a fine professional and did excellent work on the coaching side.

I remember meeting him after one of the games, he's a very nice chap to boot. You could tell he kept himself in good nick. Would have loved to have kept Zubi.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 01:42:55 PM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: cmg on December 19, 2011, 01:34:25 PM
Yes, sir.

We were fortunate with injuries while he was with us and therefore he was not required.
He was a fine professional and did excellent work on the coaching side.

I remember meeting him after one of the games, he's a very nice chap to boot. You could tell he kept himself in good nick. Would have loved to have kept Zubi.

He is Phillipines National Team goalkeeping coach at the moment.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: cmg on December 19, 2011, 01:47:27 PM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 01:42:55 PM


He is Phillipines National Team goalkeeping coach at the moment.

Well, well. Thanks for that. Can't be a coincidence, can it?
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: zzamora on December 19, 2011, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: zzamora on December 19, 2011, 01:30:55 PM
Quote from: cmg on December 19, 2011, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: Fulham_Adam on December 19, 2011, 08:26:17 AM
I believe Senderos is part of the defence that holds the record for most amount of minutes without conceding a goal at the world cup?

Personally as much as I love Hughes I believe Senderos is a better player.

Yes, Senderos played in the Swiss defence that did not concede a goal in actual play the 2006 WC, although he missed the quarter-final through injury. He was a teenage sensation, who didn't quite make it to the predicted levels....until now!

And the goalkeeper behind this remarkable record?......

I know this one!

PASCAL ZUBERHULER

Beat you too it Mr Z. Gutted ;)

damn. Just the one quiz question I knew...
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 03:12:41 PM
Phil is a top player.  Glad to see he is finally changing some peoples opinion.

The stick he got at the start of the season, coupled with people on here cheering the fact he got injured on international duty, show's just how much his game has developed.

Phil is part of the bigger picture and we would do well to remember that.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: zzamora on December 19, 2011, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 03:12:41 PM
Phil is a top player.  Glad to see he is finally changing some peoples opinion.

The stick he got at the start of the season, coupled with people on here cheering the fact he got injured on international duty, show's just how much his game has developed.

Phil is part of the bigger picture and we would do well to remember that.

Oh great,we're gonna have a good stir whilst we're at it. Stir stir and bloody stir.  086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

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Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: zzamora on December 19, 2011, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 03:12:41 PM
Phil is a top player.  Glad to see he is finally changing some peoples opinion.

The stick he got at the start of the season, coupled with people on here cheering the fact he got injured on international duty, show's just how much his game has developed.

Phil is part of the bigger picture and we would do well to remember that.

Oh great,we're gonna have a good stir whilst we're at it. Stir stir and bloody stir.  086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Lets stir some more while we're here?  086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Cheering wasn't the word, retweeting is more the word.

Lets stir ! 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Easy chaps. Lets act mature about this yeah.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: HatterDon on December 19, 2011, 03:45:46 PM
While the Hughes-Hangeland tandem is probably the best centre-half pairing I've seen in club football over almost 50 years of watching, I think that Senderos is probably the better of Hughes now. It could very well be that trying Hughes at RB was Jol's experiment to see if he could retain Hughes's calm and vision. I don't think it worked, and it's possible that Hughes may be one of those on his way out in January.

What a brilliant player he has been for us; having said that, I think Senderos is going to prove to be an upgrade.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: elgreenio on December 19, 2011, 03:53:20 PM
There's no doubt that Senderos is Hangeland's new defensive partner for the forseeable future, and although he still has his clumsy moments there is no doubt that not having the weight of 60,000 fans waiting for you to mess up (though going about it quietly) every week is really doing him good. The phrase "he's found his level" comes to mind, and we're reaping the reward.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: RidgeRider on December 19, 2011, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on December 19, 2011, 08:32:28 AM

Senderos impresses me and being 6 years younger than Hughes is a perfectly sound reason for prefering him.

Only 3 teams have conceded fewer goals than us so whatever the criticism of Jol he clearly has not weakened us defensively.

I think as a group, we have overlooked this hard to ignore fact. While we are not scoring enough, we remain difficult to breakdown because our back four overall cohesiveness with Hangeland anchoring the group.  Thank you again Roy Hodgson.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: zzamora on December 19, 2011, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 03:12:41 PM
Phil is a top player.  Glad to see he is finally changing some peoples opinion.

The stick he got at the start of the season, coupled with people on here cheering the fact he got injured on international duty, show's just how much his game has developed.

Phil is part of the bigger picture and we would do well to remember that.

Oh great,we're gonna have a good stir whilst we're at it. Stir stir and bloody stir.  086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Lets stir some more while we're here?  086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Cheering wasn't the word, retweeting is more the word.

Lets stir ! 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Easy chaps. Lets act mature about this yeah.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were 8 years old.  I'll let this one alone and be glad you've changed your opinion. 
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: ImperialWhite on December 19, 2011, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: zzamora on December 19, 2011, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 03:12:41 PM
Phil is a top player.  Glad to see he is finally changing some peoples opinion.

The stick he got at the start of the season, coupled with people on here cheering the fact he got injured on international duty, show's just how much his game has developed.

Phil is part of the bigger picture and we would do well to remember that.

Oh great,we're gonna have a good stir whilst we're at it. Stir stir and bloody stir.  086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Lets stir some more while we're here?  086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Cheering wasn't the word, retweeting is more the word.

Lets stir ! 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Easy chaps. Lets act mature about this yeah.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were 8 years old.  I'll let this one alone and be glad you've changed your opinion. 

Haha you two are silly poofaces and I know you are but what am I then and it takes one to know one.

Or something.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 19, 2011, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: zzamora on December 19, 2011, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 03:12:41 PM
Phil is a top player.  Glad to see he is finally changing some peoples opinion.

The stick he got at the start of the season, coupled with people on here cheering the fact he got injured on international duty, show's just how much his game has developed.

Phil is part of the bigger picture and we would do well to remember that.

Oh great,we're gonna have a good stir whilst we're at it. Stir stir and bloody stir.  086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Lets stir some more while we're here?  086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Cheering wasn't the word, retweeting is more the word.

Lets stir ! 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Easy chaps. Lets act mature about this yeah.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were 8 years old.  I'll let this one alone and be glad you've changed your opinion. 

Haha you two are silly poofaces and I know you are but what am I then and it takes one to know one.

Or something.

You better not be calling me 8 years old Mr Reindeer or I'm going to put my finger in your eye, give you a wedgie and tell you mum. Ner.
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 19, 2011, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: zzamora on December 19, 2011, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 03:12:41 PM
Phil is a top player.  Glad to see he is finally changing some peoples opinion.

The stick he got at the start of the season, coupled with people on here cheering the fact he got injured on international duty, show's just how much his game has developed.

Phil is part of the bigger picture and we would do well to remember that.

Oh great,we're gonna have a good stir whilst we're at it. Stir stir and bloody stir.  086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Lets stir some more while we're here?  086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Cheering wasn't the word, retweeting is more the word.

Lets stir ! 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Easy chaps. Lets act mature about this yeah.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were 8 years old.  I'll let this one alone and be glad you've changed your opinion. 

Haha you two are silly poofaces and I know you are but what am I then and it takes one to know one.

Or something.

You better not be calling me 8 years old Mr Reindeer or I'm going to put my finger in your eye, give you a wedgie and tell you mum. Ner.
But, but, but he started it, not me!
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: TonyGilroy on December 19, 2011, 05:44:05 PM

May I be the first to say on behalf of you all.


WHATEVER
Title: Re: Senderos
Post by: Burt on December 19, 2011, 09:10:26 PM
Quote from: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 19, 2011, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on December 19, 2011, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: zzamora on December 19, 2011, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: Reindeer on December 19, 2011, 03:12:41 PM
Phil is a top player.  Glad to see he is finally changing some peoples opinion.

The stick he got at the start of the season, coupled with people on here cheering the fact he got injured on international duty, show's just how much his game has developed.

Phil is part of the bigger picture and we would do well to remember that.

Oh great,we're gonna have a good stir whilst we're at it. Stir stir and bloody stir.  086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Lets stir some more while we're here?  086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Cheering wasn't the word, retweeting is more the word.

Lets stir ! 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif 086.gif

Easy chaps. Lets act mature about this yeah.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were 8 years old.  I'll let this one alone and be glad you've changed your opinion. 

Haha you two are silly poofaces and I know you are but what am I then and it takes one to know one.

Or something.

You better not be calling me 8 years old Mr Reindeer or I'm going to put my finger in your eye, give you a wedgie and tell you mum. Ner.
But, but, but he started it, not me!

Now then boys, clean your teeth, get your PJs on and off to bed with you!