Yes or No?
I personally believe yes on occasions, don't get me wrong he's a diving bellend, but he gets way to much abuse from everyone, the reason being players like Bale are diving also but never really get a mention just because he plays for a smaller club in Tottenham Hotspurs (don't get me wrong Tottenham are a big football club but no on the same level as Liverpool) Kun Aguero suggested that foreign players get victimised more then British players, i believe that's unfair on referees to be quite honest, I mean everyone when they play Man United including us get victimised due to poor refereeing, someone like Damien Duff a few seasons ago under Bellend Hughes gave away a pen due to trying to kick it away but it hit his hand in the process. for me Suarez is the boy who cried wolf but someone like Pulis shouldn't come out and personally attack luis suarez even when he dived when other players are also known for it too....
Quote from: DiegoFulham on October 16, 2012, 07:42:56 PM
Yes or No?
I personally believe yes on occasions, don't get me wrong he's a diving bellend, but he gets way to much abuse from everyone, the reason being players like Bale are diving also but never really get a mention just because he plays for a smaller club in Tottenham Hotspurs (don't get me wrong Tottenham are a big football club but no on the same level as Liverpool) Kun Aguero suggested that foreign players get victimised more then British players, i believe that's unfair on referees to be quite honest, I mean everyone when they play Man United including us get victimised due to poor refereeing, someone like Damien Duff a few seasons ago under Bellend Hughes gave away a pen due to trying to kick it away but it hit his hand in the process. for me Suarez is the boy who cried wolf but someone like Pulis shouldn't come out and personally attack luis suarez even when he dived when other players are also known for it too....
I agree, he's not the nicest figure, but he doesn't deserve the constant hate campaign he's getting in the UK. Pulis is an utter idiot who shouldn't be allowed to talk in press conferences, coming out saying that Suarez should be banned for diving, how about banning Robert Huth for a good part of the season for intentionally stomping on an opponent? Or any of the other egregious fouls he instigates his merry band of thugs to commit? My contempt for that man and his team far exceed my distaste for Suarez.
...no I don't think the cheating, diving, gesticulating, racist, oxygen thief is being victimised, he is just recognised for what he is...
The fact that:
1. Other people cheat also
2. Tony Pulis doesn't like him
3. He's got amazing talent and technique
4. He's slated constantly in the press
5. He's berated by fans all over the league
DOESN'T MAKE UP FOR THE FACT THAT HE IS A DISGRACE TO THE GAME AND SHOULD TRANSFER TO SERIE A WITH THE REST OF THE BALLERINAS.
If he isn't then he should be
He cheats and its awful when his antics reap rewards.
For me however i get far more outraged when the likes of Huth and Wilkinson behave as they do.
From a selfish point of view and its a pretty simplistic and stupid arguement I might add Wilkinson ruined about a dozen (maybe more) games for me when he attempted and succeeded to maim Dembele at the Brittania that evening thus denying me the opportunity to watch the most gifted player I have ever seen wear my team's shirt....if Suarez dives against my team and achieves his aim of conning the match official at most we can be affected is a defeat on the day/night.
He's a wrongun for sure but there are far worse...those who saw Wilkinson smirking with delight as he laughed at us that night will surely agree.
coyw
he is victimized because he is soooo whiny. He gets on everyones nerves including the refs. The man is an amazing footballer but if he doesnt get that attitude figured out he will never reach full potential. sorry to say but he brings it on himself even if it is unfair.
Quote from: HatterDon on October 16, 2012, 08:47:53 PM
The fact that:
1. Other people cheat also
2. Tony Pulis doesn't like him
3. He's got amazing talent and technique
4. He's slated constantly in the press
5. He's berated by fans all over the league
DOESN'T MAKE UP FOR THE FACT THAT HE IS A DISGRACE TO THE GAME AND SHOULD TRANSFER TO SERIE A WITH THE REST OF THE BALLERINAS.
:plus one: Especially the Series A part.
Besides his handball that effectively knocked Ghana out of the world cup, his conduct against Evera, his subsequent refusal to apologise, his constant diving and his finger to the hammy end, he's quite a likeable guy.
If he played for Fulham I might be prepared to discuss this, but he doesn't, so who gives a toss.......
Quote from: vagrant on October 16, 2012, 09:53:13 PM
If he played for Fulham I might be prepared to discuss this, but he doesn't, so who gives a toss.......
HEAR HEAR.
Don't forget he also bit a guy and Ajax deemed the leagues ban insufficient so banned him for longer. Unless I'm mistaken, but it's too fun a fact to be wrong!
Guys i'm not talking about his personal being, i'm talking about just diving in general, compared to others players, the whole Tony Pulis issue has been in the back of my mind after the bale dive.
He is a cheat. Yes other players cheat. But as the old saying nearly goes. Many players cheat but he abuses the privilege
Yes,He is a victim....... only of his own greediness :005:
Quote from: DiegoFulham on October 16, 2012, 11:23:58 PM
Guys i'm not talking about his personal being, i'm talking about just diving in general, compared to others players, the whole Tony Pulis issue has been in the back of my mind after the bale dive.
Is it easy to separate Suarez's personality and all the other crap he gets up to from his diving? If he just dived and apart from that was a fairly straightforward human being, like Bale seems to be, he'd no doubt get much less flak, and only immediately after a dive. As it is, he gets way less than he deserves, because what he deserves is banning, over and over, for as long as he goes on cheating.
Pulis may well be making the case to deflect attention from his thugs at Stoke, but that doesn't make the case wrong. What would be wrong would be banning Suarez for cheating and not banning Stoke players when they assault other players. I'd have retrospective video reviews for both and dish out bans week after week until players and clubs and managers get the message.
Suarez is a very talented player who is let down by his personality and antics on the pitch.
When I see managers getting upset about players getting a 'reputation' I think to myself - I wonder why they have got one?
There is incontrovertible evidence that suarez dives and the fact he is now given less free kicks is a great example of the boy who cried wolf.
When Boa and AJ came they both had reputations as divers but as the Fulham management obviously discouraged this cheating they changed and started to get treated the same as other players, it is true the cry wolf situation as stated but the Liverpool management can change it.
Quote from: epsomraver on October 17, 2012, 09:20:09 AM
When Boa and AJ came they both had reputations as divers but as the Fulham management obviously discouraged this cheating they changed and started to get treated the same as other players, it is true the cry wolf situation as stated but the Liverpool management can change it.
Absolutely true, the question is, with their siege mentality, are the Liverpool management capable of changing it, or is it another case of "everyone is against us, it isn't our fault!"
No. He is a smarmy, diving, racist, cheat who deserves all he gets.
everyone is against us, it isn't our fault!" That should be their song!
Suarez is a total scummer absolutely hate him and he deserves all the abuse he gets - also hes overrated as a player
HOWEVER it should be said that we have the biggest diver in the premier league - the duffer :Haynes The Maestro:
HES JUST VERY GOOD AT IT :yay:
he has a way of just dropping, rather than leaping, and theres always contact.
The thing about Suarez is, he is a total and utter cheat in everything he does, he really has no redeeming features.
He has been banned for Biting, has been banned for Racism, he dives every match & I will never forget that terrible hand ball in the world cup. Worst of all though, he shows no remorse at all ... ever!
If the fouling was all on sided, then maybe you could comment on it, but according to various defenders he spends all game fouling them, poking them, stamping on them, but as soon as one of them goes near him, he goes down like a sack of spuds.
He really is a poor excuse for a human being, let alone a footballer. He is bereft of morals and any common decency.
I really should say what I think about they guy, but for the moment, the above will do!
I would ask the question back: How can a cheat be victimized?
Suarez is a cheat, so are many other players, though very few are either as obvious as he is or as persistent. Just because Bale dives (to a lesser extent mind you), doesn't mean that Suarez is victimized because he's pulled up for it, it simply means he is a complete idiot who believes that no-one else can see his cheating. Please do not confuse failing to take action against cheats with making an example of one of the worst offenders currently in English football.
Suarez has loads of great skill, but that does not give him a pass when he attempts to fool the ref, and the rest of us, by blatant diving.
Suarez is surely talented but I would ban him for what he does. There is no question like all talented players he gets stick from the opposition but he endlessly cheats, two wrongs and all that.
I also agreed with the post about Huth and Wilkinson being loathsome, in fact stoke city under pulis in general are repulsive. I have no ill will to stoke as such and when pulis goes I will be happy. They used to be such a good football team!
i actually like him.
Lots of players cheat, his cheating just gets the most media coverage but he brought that on himself really. He bit an opposing player whilst playing in Holland, celebration vs Ghana, racism and diving. He gets a lot of bad coverage but it's deserved.
he gets what he deserves. that dive against stoke was incredible
as a player i like him, as a person its not looking great, but i dont like the way he seems to have to take everything been thrown at him, i dont agree about picking on one person, its basically bullying, but if he doesnt clean up his act soon then it will be like this every single year hes here.
NO! he's an idiot!