:dft007:
Ive never come across so many negative fans,who seem to jump in at every excuse
and blame the Manager for our performances.
With the players at his disposal he is doing a good job considering their ages and
the players we have lost.
Some of them who sit behind me moan from the first kick to the last,if we had the Chosen One
and Fergie and were ten points clear at the top some would still keep moaning.
Jol is a good coach we just need a few new faces and things will get better.
Just remember some of you new faces to the cottage where we were 15 years ago.
Be thankful we enjoy premier football ever season.
Martin Jols B&W Army...
Quote from: Toshes *** Packet on January 13, 2013, 10:51:30 AM
:dft007:
Ive never come across so many negative fans,who seem to jump in at every excuse
and blame the Manager for our performances.
With the players at his disposal he is doing a good job considering their ages and
the players we have lost.
Some of them who sit behind me moan from the first kick to the last,if we had the Chosen One
and Fergie and were ten points clear at the top some would still keep moaning.
Jol is a good coach we just need a few new faces and things will get better.
Just remember some of you new faces to the cottage where we were 15 years ago.
Be thankful we enjoy premier football ever season.
Martin Jols B&W Army..
I think you'll find that it's the threat of not enjoying premier football every season on the back of performances like that of yesterday that is making for the glum atmosphere on here at the moment.
I was there to witness a period of play in the second half when we had no structure, no ball, no idea how to get it back, and Wigan were just playing and passing at will. The goal followed.
It's not unpatriotic or any other negative term that anyone may apply to the business of looking into the abyss and realising we may be stepping into it.
Moaning is a way of life at Fulham
Just a few players??? Can't get our captain to sign... Three most important players walked...
Cant get Jol to sign... Board massively gambling that this shower luckily retains Prem status and the windfall
If not... What a firesale pre championship we'll undergo and no way fill a pointless capacity
Oh... Even that appears on the burner
FFC needs to stop looking back & being thankful
Maf & board & Jol are all to blame
Do we have enough to avoid 18th? If we stay up are we willing enough to buy a new line up? Next season could by Jol less and seriously lacking players
There is no will, no way, Jol is working with blunt tools whilst himself proving to be a tactical tool
Berba does not fit and is not the saviour
i think every fan has the right to moan. We are the ones who pay good money on matchday to watch our team not even turn up. He is not doing a good job...2 wins in 14 or 15 is not doing a good job
The following was posted just before the Liverpool (I forget by who) and gains more creditability with each passing home game: -
Fulham prime relegation candidates if they don't beat Liverpool
Fulham have not really been spoken about as serious relegation candidates so far this season and a price of 18/1 to finish in the bottom three suggests that they should have little trouble finding safety.
However, looking back across the last six seasons, there are some clear similarities between Fulham's current position and others at a similar point of the campaign that have ended up going down.
Analysing the final Premier League tables before the Boxing Day round of fixtures, no team in the past decade that has amassed 23 points or more by this point have been relegated.
But five teams in this time have had 20 points or more, which brings Fulham right into the reckoning.
They would make it to 23 points and probable safety with a win at Liverpool next, which can be backed at 9/2, but they have only triumphed once at Anfield in their 11 Premier League visits.
The only confidence that Fulham can have is that this success was last season and Liverpool have not beaten a team above 17th in the current standings at home this campaign.
Key to Fulham surviving will obviously be their home form and many will expect that they can take nine points or more from remaining home games with Reading, QPR, Wigan and Southampton.
This will be critical, as it was the home form of Blackpool, Middlesbrough and Newcastle that saw them face the drop in recent seasons when in similar positions to Fulham at Christmas.
Blackpool only won three home games against the bottom 13, Middlesbrough triumphed in just one at the Riverside against the bottom seven and Newcastle took maximum points against three of the bottom 11.
Fulham have lost at home to fifth-bottom Sunderland already and so it is not beyond the realms of possibility that they will drop more unexpected points at Craven Cottage.
Their away form is also not historically the best and so it is a surprise that ten teams are shorter than Fulham to be relegated. 18/1 certainly looks a price worthy of a small investment.
It is as if one bad result has led to a meltdown and some fans cannot understand the reaction. But put plain and simple. We have been playing poorly since the Sunderland game. Not having a bad time but playing poorly. The odd spark at home to Newcastle and away to West Brom being the exception.
Now the reason we have been playing poorly is because we sold out best players and did not replace them. This is the clubs fault. But Jol is in charge of the team. The team have sometimes come out and not looked interested. No shots on goal and a complete lack of looking as if they know what they are doing. Jol is also incharge of the subs. Baird comes on Ruiz moves wide and then Dejagh comes on minutes later and Ruiz goes back in the middle and frankly we don't see him much after that other than missing a header.
So one could say we have been complaining since the Summer transfer window ended. Supporters on the whole are not stupid. Some could see this was a poor squad and once injury set in a bad side. A bad side run by a club trying to save money managed bu a man who has no idea and who now admits the fans think the side is better than it is.
When Jol leaves for a better job he will do what Hughes did and blame the club for lack of ambition. He will be correct. But that doesn't make Jol a good manager.
Quote from: CorkCity on January 13, 2013, 11:02:01 AM
Moaning is a way of life at Fulham
I think it is very British. I am a typical wingeing 'Tommy', I moan alot but get the job done, ask any of my work collegues, poor devils!!
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 13, 2013, 11:27:56 AM
It is as if one bad result has led to a meltdown and some fans cannot understand the reaction. But put plain and simple. We have been playing poorly since the Sunderland game. Not having a bad time but playing poorly. The odd spark at home to Newcastle and away to West Brom being the exception.
Now the reason we have been playing poorly is because we sold out best players and did not replace them. This is the clubs fault. But Jol is in charge of the team. The team have sometimes come out and not looked interested. No shots on goal and a complete lack of looking as if they know what they are doing. Jol is also incharge of the subs. Baird comes on Ruiz moves wide and then Dejagh comes on minutes later and Ruiz goes back in the middle and frankly we don't see him much after that other than missing a header.
So one could say we have been complaining since the Summer transfer window ended. Supporters on the whole are not stupid. Some could see this was a poor squad and once injury set in a bad side. A bad side run by a club trying to save money managed bu a man who has no idea and who now admits the fans think the side is better than it is.
When Jol leaves for a better job he will do what Hughes did and blame the club for lack of ambition. He will be correct. But that doesn't make Jol a good manager.
Spot on.
And just who is going to come in and do a better job,with the current
crop available ?
Im still confident we will with a couple of new faces in go on a good
run and finish in top ten...
I agree with you on the Liverpool preview. Toshes *** Packet - a lot of us here have seen Fulham in all four divisions and so are aware that this is our Golden Age.
What is becoming frustrating is that we seem to have no plan. We don't seem to have any set piece moves, sides as limited as Southampton and Wigan could pass their way through our midfield and we are often hopelessly exposed and disorganised at the back.
I'm also not sure what job Berbatov is supposed to be doing. He wears the number 9 but keeps dropping back to our penalty area to get the ball.
I was delighted by our performance against Swansea, especially the second half. We lost due to goalkeeping errors but we ripped apart one of the most respected passing sides in the league and forced them to resort to hoofing the ball clear.
That looked a turning point as we seemed to have passion, drive and direction. But against Blackpool and Wigan it was back to aimless.
Quote from: FFC73 on January 13, 2013, 11:25:55 AM
The following was posted just before the Liverpool (I forget by who) and gains more creditability with each passing home game: -
Fulham prime relegation candidates if they don't beat Liverpool
Fulham have not really been spoken about as serious relegation candidates so far this season and a price of 18/1 to finish in the bottom three suggests that they should have little trouble finding safety.
However, looking back across the last six seasons, there are some clear similarities between Fulham's current position and others at a similar point of the campaign that have ended up going down.
Analysing the final Premier League tables before the Boxing Day round of fixtures, no team in the past decade that has amassed 23 points or more by this point have been relegated.
But five teams in this time have had 20 points or more, which brings Fulham right into the reckoning.
They would make it to 23 points and probable safety with a win at Liverpool next, which can be backed at 9/2, but they have only triumphed once at Anfield in their 11 Premier League visits.
The only confidence that Fulham can have is that this success was last season and Liverpool have not beaten a team above 17th in the current standings at home this campaign.
Key to Fulham surviving will obviously be their home form and many will expect that they can take nine points or more from remaining home games with Reading, QPR, Wigan and Southampton.
This will be critical, as it was the home form of Blackpool, Middlesbrough and Newcastle that saw them face the drop in recent seasons when in similar positions to Fulham at Christmas.
Blackpool only won three home games against the bottom 13, Middlesbrough triumphed in just one at the Riverside against the bottom seven and Newcastle took maximum points against three of the bottom 11.
Fulham have lost at home to fifth-bottom Sunderland already and so it is not beyond the realms of possibility that they will drop more unexpected points at Craven Cottage.
Their away form is also not historically the best and so it is a surprise that ten teams are shorter than Fulham to be relegated. 18/1 certainly looks a price worthy of a small investment.
I got slated for similar mutterings as I saw the signs a few weeks before, namely Sunderland
I was challenged by nameless to put my money where my mouth was, your just wum, oh we're still top ten??? your spelling is awful (I blame my poxy HTC)
Erm no, I have watched enough football in person, paying to watch first hand, not via FM and have been up and down with family team Fulham and my home team Luton to agree with that more succinctly put statement
In regards to current form, in regards to resilence, in regards to having a set style of play, being piss easy to break down, embarrassingly bad when under pressure, we are in the bottom five
it is now roulette time
we are carrying a captain who does not want to be here, a manager who has his hands tied and two luxury players
I would keep Ruiz, my patience has run with Berba... he is a top six player, he is used to a top six supporting cast, our supporting cast in the most over rated rose tinted fan favourite of all... Chris Baird
I do not want to go down, I want the board to realise that their gambles though some unmanageable, have been wrong and the warning signs have been there all last summer
After being slated, I put my money where my mouth was, I got 40/1, had 66.28 in my pocket at the time so if the worse happens I will be drowning sorrows somewhere hot
I pointed out the signs post Sunderland (slow, sideways, no fight, no one knows there role, it is not a great squad) and I challenge anyone to convince me that a lot has changed since then
The transfer window will not save us, Jol will prob walk in the summer as we have no ambition
Purely reliant on QPR Reading Villa and Wigan to be worse and although we can debate our individual players on merit, they have at least shown signs of grit and teamwork
Quote from: Toshes *** Packet on January 13, 2013, 10:51:30 AM
:dft007:
Ive never come across so many negative fans,who seem to jump in at every excuse
and blame the Manager for our performances.
With the players at his disposal he is doing a good job considering their ages and
the players we have lost.
Some of them who sit behind me moan from the first kick to the last,if we had the Chosen One
and Fergie and were ten points clear at the top some would still keep moaning.
Jol is a good coach we just need a few new faces and things will get better.
Just remember some of you new faces to the cottage where we were 15 years ago.
Be thankful we enjoy premier football ever season.
Martin Jols B&W Army...
this type of perspective is at turns ill informed, specious and dangerous. When Sanchez was sacked 20 per cent or more of every Fulham MB were still advocating he stayed...
A post to ensure that you can't be wrong?
Bring in Curbishley -Conference beckons-no more than some of you twit posters deserve-get real-this Club is still seriously in debt and remains propped up by MAF -this pathetic maths of many..sold Dems for x -so have x in the pot -stupid /childish-get a brain /grow up
Quote from: ron on January 13, 2013, 11:00:08 AM
Quote from: Toshes *** Packet on January 13, 2013, 10:51:30 AM
:dft007:
Ive never come across so many negative fans,who seem to jump in at every excuse
and blame the Manager for our performances.
With the players at his disposal he is doing a good job considering their ages and
the players we have lost.
Some of them who sit behind me moan from the first kick to the last,if we had the Chosen One
and Fergie and were ten points clear at the top some would still keep moaning.
Jol is a good coach we just need a few new faces and things will get better.
Just remember some of you new faces to the cottage where we were 15 years ago.
Be thankful we enjoy premier football ever season.
Martin Jols B&W Army..
I think you'll find that it's the threat of not enjoying premier football every season on the back of performances like that of yesterday that is making for the glum atmosphere on here at the moment.
I was there to witness a period of play in the second half when we had no structure, no ball, no idea how to get it back, and Wigan were just playing and passing at will. The goal followed.
It's not unpatriotic or any other negative term that anyone may apply to the business of looking into the abyss and realising we may be stepping into it.
I think you'll find the goal should not have stood! Duff was fouled and ignored, then they get the free kick and whilst the ball is still moving, and about 5 yds from where it should be, and Fulham players out of position as still talking to the ref about the fact Duff was fouled, they take the kick and score! Typical ref decision again!
Quote from: domprague on January 13, 2013, 11:39:10 AM
I agree with you on the Liverpool preview. Toshes *** Packet - a lot of us here have seen Fulham in all four divisions and so are aware that this is our Golden Age.
What is becoming frustrating is that we seem to have no plan. We don't seem to have any set piece moves, sides as limited as Southampton and Wigan could pass their way through our midfield and we are often hopelessly exposed and disorganised at the back.
I'm also not sure what job Berbatov is supposed to be doing. He wears the number 9 but keeps dropping back to our penalty area to get the ball.
I was delighted by our performance against Swansea, especially the second half. We lost due to goalkeeping errors but we ripped apart one of the most respected passing sides in the league and forced them to resort to hoofing the ball clear.
That looked a turning point as we seemed to have passion, drive and direction. But against Blackpool and Wigan it was back to aimless.
I agree with some points,but too many fans now at clubs throughout
the land start shouting for managers to be sacked.
How many have gone in the lower leagues in past couple of weeks.
Players and especially big bucks boys have to take more responsibility
when they get on the pitch.
The manager can only do so much.
Football Fans are so fickle nowadays,everyone thinks their side should
be top of the league.
Just look at Blackburn and the stick Keano took there,they are now worse
off without him.
Managers were never sacked years ago on the regular basis they are now.
And that is down to too many fans with huge expectations.
Dont get me wrong Id love to see us in top 6,but with the size and and
funds behind us it want happen,Too many of the big clubs have too many
bullets in their guns iM afraid.
COYW...
quote "Managers were never sacked years ago on the regular basis they are now", I think you will find they were.
I think it is the feeling that the players are not giving their all, why is this who know's down to the tactics of the manager, or some other problem something we never know, I know for a fact if I see the players giving their all, the fans will usually be behind them. Fulham are not a big spending club compared to some in the Premier League because of this I think you need a certain manager that can get the best out of players we can buy, is this Martin Jol doesn't seem like it at the moment, but keeping cahnging managers doesn't help either. Also we haven't had a prima donna like Berbatov for a while is he causing ripples. It is all speculation that is all we can do and if it sounds as if we are moaning we probably are with frustration more than anything.
If the team is just poor and we cannot blame the manager then lets get in a manager who is used to fighting in the Championship. Cruel to keep such a good manager like Jol in charge of such a rabble he has no say or control in.
Quote from: epsomraver on January 13, 2013, 11:51:32 AM
quote "Managers were never sacked years ago on the regular basis they are now", I think you will find they were.
Thats strange because on Radio 5 the other day they quoted that
there has been more managerial dismissals in the last two years than
there was in 6 years in the sixties and seventies...
I dont want top six, I just want to see better than the dross that has been served up for at least three months
Quote from: mangoputney on January 13, 2013, 11:56:32 AM
I dont want top six, I just want to see better than the dross that has been served up for at least three months
Dross??? I dont think so.
You want to go and watch Villa and youll no what dross is.
Tosh-you are wasting your time on here-"moaning 'is an acceptable way of life for the moaning "class"-but they call it discussion..
I would be interested to hear about a fans forum where there isn't moaning after a below-par display in the middle of a lengthy run of bad form.
I remember certain ones behind me at the cottage moaning
when Woy took us to a Europa Final....Strange.
I think some would rather we were in the 3rd division again.
If Fergie was here theyd moan...lol..
Coyw...
Quote from: Toshes *** Packet on January 13, 2013, 12:01:16 PM
Quote from: mangoputney on January 13, 2013, 11:56:32 AM
I dont want top six, I just want to see better than the dross that has been served up for at least three months
Dross??? I dont think so.
You want to go and watch Villa and youll no what dross is.
Ohhhh
Our direct competition
Well hopefully they remain more dross than us
That's it, I'm happy now
Quote from: Toshes *** Packet on January 13, 2013, 11:56:03 AM
Quote from: epsomraver on January 13, 2013, 11:51:32 AM
quote "Managers were never sacked years ago on the regular basis they are now", I think you will find they were.
Thats strange because on Radio 5 the other day they quoted that
there has been more managerial dismissals in the last two years than
there was in 6 years in the sixties and seventies...
You said regular basis not more.
My question for those who believe it's wrong or silly of me to complain about the way we are representing ourselves on the field this season is this: at what point should I grow beyond being solely satisfied that we are surviving in the Premier League?
I've been stupid enough, since Hodgson took us to the Europa, to believe that just surviving to play another season was no longer all I should hope for. I've been stupid enough to believe each manager since (and they ARE the voice that the club uses in public) that we are building, smartly, for greater things (a top 10 side).
Yes, this is a forum characterised by excessive moaning.
One positive - compared to the old forum on the official site - at least the real idiots are not allowed to post complete nonsense.
Quote from: Burt on January 13, 2013, 12:14:15 PM
I would be interested to hear about a fans forum where there isn't moaning after a below-par display in the middle of a lengthy run of bad form.
...quite right Burt, there are other Fulham forums to look at, and as I posted last night look at them and you will see much the same - then you can criticize them too and not single FoF out.
In the meantime showing concern and being worried and stating so becomes moaning - much like those who criticize this forum...
We Fulham supporters are too clever by half that is the trouble and very opinionated. Most are fans sites for other Clubs are inhabited by true fans people who believe their Club can do nothing wrong.
We are also very powerful as a group as it was certainly the fans that got Coleman sacked.
On reflection it would be better if all the fan site closed down and we let the Club get on with its business with a fans suggestions for improvement scheme operated by the Club.
You joined in the wrong month, thats all. :005:
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 13, 2013, 11:27:56 AM
It is as if one bad result has led to a meltdown and some fans cannot understand the reaction. But put plain and simple. We have been playing poorly since the Sunderland game. Not having a bad time but playing poorly. The odd spark at home to Newcastle and away to West Brom being the exception.
Now the reason we have been playing poorly is because we sold out best players and did not replace them. This is the clubs fault. But Jol is in charge of the team. The team have sometimes come out and not looked interested. No shots on goal and a complete lack of looking as if they know what they are doing. Jol is also incharge of the subs. Baird comes on Ruiz moves wide and then Dejagh comes on minutes later and Ruiz goes back in the middle and frankly we don't see him much after that other than missing a header.
So one could say we have been complaining since the Summer transfer window ended. Supporters on the whole are not stupid. Some could see this was a poor squad and once injury set in a bad side. A bad side run by a club trying to save money managed bu a man who has no idea and who now admits the fans think the side is better than it is.
When Jol leaves for a better job he will do what Hughes did and blame the club for lack of ambition. He will be correct. But that doesn't make Jol a good manager.
Jol wants football to be played a certain way, a way he grew up with and has installed in his teams he has managed from Spurs to Ajax. The problem here is that we have not got the players to play the way he wants, thats not his fault. Its not his fault the club have not replaced quality with quality. Jol wants the ball played out from the back and through midfield but if you haven't got the players to do what he wants what does he do? change his whole philosophy on how football should be played and lump it long bring in a Lee Chapman like striker?
Quote from: Toshes *** Packet on January 13, 2013, 11:38:35 AM
And just who is going to come in and do a better job,with the current
crop available ?
Im still confident we will with a couple of new faces in go on a good
run and finish in top ten...
"Finish in top ten"? My God, man, what have you been smoking?!?
Quote from: west kowloon white on January 13, 2013, 11:44:34 AM
A post to ensure that you can't be wrong?
Bring in Curbishley -Conference beckons-no more than some of you twit posters deserve-get real-this Club is still seriously in debt and remains propped up by MAF -this pathetic maths of many..sold Dems for x -so have x in the pot -stupid /childish-get a brain /grow up
[/quote
Puerile and uninformed. Fayed hasn't put in a bean for 3 years and we've been running at cash break even. That's before the 15m net profit from the last 2 windows.
Amazes me how some fans who purport to support Fulham FC are more preoccupied about whether Fayed leaves his son 800m or 900m than the plight and future of the club. Weird.
Quote from: Jambo on January 13, 2013, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 13, 2013, 11:27:56 AM
It is as if one bad result has led to a meltdown and some fans cannot understand the reaction. But put plain and simple. We have been playing poorly since the Sunderland game. Not having a bad time but playing poorly. The odd spark at home to Newcastle and away to West Brom being the exception.
Now the reason we have been playing poorly is because we sold out best players and did not replace them. This is the clubs fault. But Jol is in charge of the team. The team have sometimes come out and not looked interested. No shots on goal and a complete lack of looking as if they know what they are doing. Jol is also incharge of the subs. Baird comes on Ruiz moves wide and then Dejagh comes on minutes later and Ruiz goes back in the middle and frankly we don't see him much after that other than missing a header.
So one could say we have been complaining since the Summer transfer window ended. Supporters on the whole are not stupid. Some could see this was a poor squad and once injury set in a bad side. A bad side run by a club trying to save money managed bu a man who has no idea and who now admits the fans think the side is better than it is.
When Jol leaves for a better job he will do what Hughes did and blame the club for lack of ambition. He will be correct. But that doesn't make Jol a good manager.
Jol wants football to be played a certain way, a way he grew up with and has installed in his teams he has managed from Spurs to Ajax. The problem here is that we have not got the players to play the way he wants, thats not his fault. Its not his fault the club have not replaced quality with quality. Jol wants the ball played out from the back and through midfield but if you haven't got the players to do what he wants what does he do? change his whole philosophy on how football should be played and lump it long bring in a Lee Chapman like striker?
I want to be a millionaire but lack of funds prevents me from being one. Jol may want to play a certain way but if he hasn't the players then he should change his tactics for the team he has. As for long balls up to a striker. Problem is that we haven't any of those either. So either way the club need to spend and Jol needs to react to what he has.
Quote from: Toshes *** Packet on January 13, 2013, 12:01:16 PM
Quote from: mangoputney on January 13, 2013, 11:56:32 AM
I dont want top six, I just want to see better than the dross that has been served up for at least three months
Dross??? I dont think so.
You want to go and watch Villa and youll no what dross is.
Yes, I see. There's some other team that is experiencing worse play than ours, SO that means that our team is doing wonderful and we should not be concerned.
Simple. I don't know what I was thinking of.
Oh, I've been on the "hold your nose and keep Jol" for a long time now but that has changed -- primarily because of the Jol-for-Sainthood Society that seams to have made its home on FofF. To this crew, nothing is every Jol's fault. He's only responsible for signing Riether and not Tavares, etc. etc. I've been maintaining that
1. the directionless play that we're demonstrating is down a problem with tactics -- tactics is the job of the gaffer
2. the fact that after a lackluster first 45, we usually make no adjustments either in personnel, tactics, or attitude -- certainly it's Jol's job to at least attempt to fix things at half time.
3. substitutions that are not made to fix a problem -- I think Jol is not the only manager in all of world football who doesn't make his own substitutions
So, yes this constant Jol-love of the rose-colored goggles brigade has set me on the edge, but yesterday's match took the proverbial biscuit. As a good friend of mine remarked in the chatroom yesterday, why are the free kicks being taken by guys with no recent pitch time? Indeed? Why Richardson? Why Petric? Isn't Karagounis known for his free-kick acuity? What sort of manager makes that befuddling decision and then keeps with it.
I'm sorry. Jol has gone from part of the solution to part of the problem. If he doesn't go now he should go at the end of the season -- along with all those players he signed to one year loans and contracts.
its what we british do best moan !!
gotta love the internet.
posts moaning, about other people moaning about people moaning on an online forum...
And someone tried to argue that football fans aren't stupid...
Anyway, for what its worth, I think the club should stick with Jol (I doubt they've even considered lettin him go!), with a fully fit suad and a few new faces results should start going in our favour. When we play well we are a match for any team in the league. Granted we've had a very rough run, starting at home against Sunderland. But, there are at least four or five teams that are in worse position than us that don't look like hauling themselves out of trouble. I think we'll be safe and can then start going about making some more changes to the squad in he summer that will hopefully see us avoid such bad runs next season
As a good friend of mine remarked in the chatroom yesterday, why are the free kicks being taken by guys with no recent pitch time? Indeed? Why Richardson? Why Petric? Isn't Karagounis known for his free-kick acuity? What sort of manager makes that befuddling decision and then keeps with it.
I seem to remember Kasami being fined for taking a penalty against Jol's wishes. Whilst I'm sure Jol asserts some influence over who does what, I'm also pretty sure that the players may make their own decisions based on who's on the pitch, where the ball lies, who's needed in the box etc. I'm confident it's simply not as black and white as you're suggesting.
and not Tavares
He was signed as cover. No doubt on very basic wages, with bonuses for appearances etc. He's also left the club. Whilst for me the jury is still out over Richardson, and I've not seen Somogyi so can't comment, Jol's done pretty well in the transfer market.
I'm sorry. Jol has gone from part of the solution to part of the problem. If he doesn't go now he should go at the end of the season -- along with all those players he signed to one year loans and contracts.
Yeah, and condemn ourselves, without a doubt, to life in the Championship.
Sanchez apart, I dont think changing managers every few months is that great an idea. Look at Moyes, Everton were dire for a time but now they are a very good team indeed. I think a lot of the moaning is driven by fear - fear of relegation and the idea that once relegated there would be no way back for Fulham.
My fear is that there seems to be no obvious plan for the future once Chairman Mo has departed this earth - I really do think thats the only way he will go.
Moaning - its what people do when they are not very happy - it helps you get through it. I doubt that players are foolish enough to read it and take it to heart. One that seemed to was Zamora. You get it off your chest, maybe you feel a bit better. If you dont like what your reading, read another thread or bring a little sunshine in to it, z-nice.
Every tunnel has light at the end of it unless it's a road to hell.
Quote from: A Humble Man on January 14, 2013, 04:52:42 PM
Every tunnel has light at the end of it unless it's a road to hell.
wouldn't there be a light glowing from hell because of the fires?
Quote from: Berserker on January 14, 2013, 06:10:38 PM
Quote from: A Humble Man on January 14, 2013, 04:52:42 PM
Every tunnel has light at the end of it unless it's a road to hell.
wouldn't there be a light glowing from hell because of the fires?
Not a welcoming light.
Quote from: A Humble Man on January 14, 2013, 07:05:08 PM
Quote from: Berserker on January 14, 2013, 06:10:38 PM
Quote from: A Humble Man on January 14, 2013, 04:52:42 PM
Every tunnel has light at the end of it unless it's a road to hell.
wouldn't there be a light glowing from hell because of the fires?
Not a welcoming light.
Warm though ;-)
Ah, that'll be the headlight of an oncoming train.
The Championship Express.
I'm glad you brought up Moyes. Everton were smart to keep hold of him as he's turned out competitive sides regardless of the club's money suppy.
And speaking of Moyes, when did you ever see a club he's running go out on the pitch for 90 plus minutes of lifeless half-assed football? Like us at QPR? Like us at Liverpool? Like us on Saturday?
I watch about 25-30 Everton matches a year on TV. Sometimes they're brilliant. Sometimes they stink. There is ALWAYS effort and commitment, and there is always an active and committed manager ready to encourage, browbeat, and -- if necessary -- sub out players who aren't giving everything they have.
For the 894th time this week, those of us who are upset with Jol are upset because his players seem undirected, disconnected, and half dejected, and because there's no halftime adjustments nor game plans. Had Ruiz's shot hit the net on Saturday, I'd still be pissed today, and I believe so would Mr. Gilroy and Mr. 11.
Quote from: Toshes *** Packet on January 13, 2013, 11:38:35 AM
And just who is going to come in and do a better job,with the current
crop available ?
Im still confident we will with a couple of new faces in go on a good
run and finish in top ten...
I'm an optimist, and I say No. There is no way we finish top ten, top 17 if we are very lucky. things are dire boys, we have good players but no cohesiveness and no trust from one player to another. More good players will not make these guys a unit, only good leadership can do that, with some team building. We have many very good tools, unfortunately our craftsman doesn't know how to use them. Jol can spot talent he just can't get them to perform at their peak. I hope we go on a run and Jol can point at me and laugh at the dumb yank its no skin off my nose, but I have to agree things look as bad as they have during our great escape season. But I'm still hopeful, as I said, I'm an optimist. :54: