Over the years we have done
"what a load of rubbish" and "(Insert managers name here) out"...
I can't remember
"You're not fit too wear the shirt"
But I would not be surprised if we had not done that as well.
It's not as if Jol doesn't give it to them (Berbatov aside) at half time, is it?
Well compared to murder and arson, not very
But players, no matter how much they get payed (Unless they are total mercenaries) are human being still and being booed off isn't usually much of a motivator and can be a significant demotivator - especially if a player is thinking should I stay or should I go - it can tip the balance.
The only time I remember it working out was the game before we destroyed Norwich 6-0 a while back. Cant remember who it was but we were dire, terrible, to be ashamed for. Seriously booed off and deserved it.
Now all the Norwich fans were saying how they were glad to be playing Fulham as their last game because in their eyes Fulham had nothing to play for and they would win easy. I warned them then against their complacency - The team had let their fans down big time and they knew it - they'd be out to make ammends. I was laughed away by those silly canaries. 6-0 nuff said,
Booing might work if it was so rare that players sat up and took notice - if its common they just think sod you all and think about how it will be working at QPR
Ya but to be fair we were playing Norwich. 064.gif
Not sitting in K block Jh stand before I was appalled at half time of the Boxing day game against Spam the abuse some " fans" gave to the players as they came off, not sure if this happens a lot but it was a real eye opener for me
It's not premeditated though.
On Saturday it was a natural reaction to a load of crap served up on a freezing day. How much appreciation did the players think they deserved?
I have never booed and never will my team , I just turn away at the whistle and go instead of staying and clapping them off, I think a silent ground is better than the booing for the fans to get their message across.
If you INSIST on booing do it at the end and not the first time your favourite scapegoat does something poor.
Quote from: FFCAli on January 15, 2013, 12:50:27 PM
If you INSIST on booing do it at the end and not the first time your favourite scapegoat does something poor.
That is true of course but apart from a few idiots scattered around the ground that really doesn't much happen.
My story from Saturday is that my old man booed in the second half at a time when we were pissing around near our goaline and we ended up giving a corner away.
He even stood up and did it (along with quite a group around us).
Now in over 35 years of going with him (and he's been going since 61/62)I have never ever heard him boo, be it at the end of a game or even in our darkest days.
Now he did apologise straight afterwards, but for me that said more about our performance than anything. He could not believe how we just fell apart in that last half hour.
Sure we have seen worse teams and worse players, but there was something about the last half hour on Saturday which was quite odd.
Does booing affect players, yes it does for some. But does watching a listless, heartless performance piss fans off, of course it does and be it a groan or real vocal abuse, what do people expect fans to do. Just say 'Unlucky chaps, better luck next time' because then fans get accused of having no passion. And passion is what football is about. And that apart from one player was lacking.
I have never booed and I will never boo. For me it just doesn't seem right. My friend who sits next to me booed on Saturday and we had a conversation about it at half time. His point, as I presume is quite standard, was that they are paid so much and we pay so much to see them yet they were not appearing to care or try. I just feel that to boo is to vilify. I really like those guys playing for us, and if, for example, I were to ever meet one of them then I would feel very ashamed that I had booed a member of MY team.
Quote from: epsomraver on January 15, 2013, 12:45:06 PM
I have never booed and never will my team , I just turn away at the whistle and go instead of staying and clapping them off, I think a silent ground is better than the booing for the fans to get their message across.
I agree in this instance as in most, Silence is Golden... Booing causes divisiveness, silence encourages reflection and allows dissapointment to settle in. However when players stop caring silence may also cause apathy, so maybe a small scattering of booing isn't the worst thing. 063.gif Just a yellow for the booing... boo but boo lightly and carry a big stick.
Quote from: epsomraver on January 15, 2013, 12:45:06 PM
I have never booed and never will my team , I just turn away at the whistle and go instead of staying and clapping them off, I think a silent ground is better than the booing for the fans to get their message across.
ER - this was exactly my reaction on Saturday. Just strolled off in a bad mood. I could never boo the team but I have/would shout abuse telling someone to get their arse moving.
Quote from: SG on January 15, 2013, 01:23:28 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on January 15, 2013, 12:45:06 PM
I have never booed and never will my team , I just turn away at the whistle and go instead of staying and clapping them off, I think a silent ground is better than the booing for the fans to get their message across.
ER - this was exactly my reaction on Saturday. Just strolled off in a bad mood. I could never boo the team but I have/would shout abuse telling someone to get their arse moving.
That sounds like me also
I think I have mentioned this story before but here we go again.
Back in the dark days we had a young right back called Richard Langley. He started one season and played pretty much the first half of it.
He did ok (and actually I wrote a piece for TOOFIF showing we got better results when he was in the team) but was nothing special, just a young lad learning his trade.
Anyway towards the end of the season I had a chat with Ray Lewington and asked him about Richard and why he was not playing. He said basically he had come in from one game (a loss at home) and he was as white as sheet. What had happened was he had gone down to get the ball for a throw in next to the enclosure and this person (not calling him a fan) ran down from the back of the terracing and just shouted untold abuse at him as he picked the ball up. Something that person said really got to Langley and according to Lew he was never the same.
What I'm trying to say is there is a difference between booing and abuse.
I've never booed the players and I never will. I just refuse to clap at them during the end of the game. Though I see the players gave up on that as only 2 of them came to the Hammy End after Wigan.
I can't really say the players deserve to be booed but when we draw 1-1 at home against Wigan and Southampton with players like Berbatov and Ruiz in our team....you just wonder what the hell is going on.
On the other hand, they earn in one week, more than I earn in a year. To put in a performance like THAT (on Saturday), Martin Jol has some nerve to call out fans who spend their hard earned cash to watch rubbish like that.
Quote from: MJG on January 15, 2013, 01:44:15 PM
I think I have mentioned this story before but here we go again.
Back in the dark days we had a young right back called Richard Langley. He started one season and played pretty much the first half of it.
He did ok (and actually I wrote a piece for TOOFIF showing we got better results when he was in the team) but was nothing special, just a young lad learning his trade.
Anyway towards the end of the season I had a chat with Ray Lewington and asked him about Richard and why he was not playing. He said basically he had come in from one game (a loss at home) and he was as white as sheet. What had happened was he had gone down to get the ball for a throw in next to the enclosure and this person (not calling him a fan) ran down from the back of the terracing and just shouted untold abuse at him as he picked the ball up. Something that person said really got to Langley and according to Lew he was never the same.
What I'm trying to say is there is a difference between booing and abuse.
Obviously not worthy of owning a ball sack, if some mongaloid shouting abuse from the stands makes him wet himself... unless the guy was russian mob "asking" for their money?
Quote from: MJG on January 15, 2013, 01:44:15 PM
I think I have mentioned this story before but here we go again.
Back in the dark days we had a young right back called Richard Langley. He started one season and played pretty much the first half of it.
He did ok (and actually I wrote a piece for TOOFIF showing we got better results when he was in the team) but was nothing special, just a young lad learning his trade.
Anyway towards the end of the season I had a chat with Ray Lewington and asked him about Richard and why he was not playing. He said basically he had come in from one game (a loss at home) and he was as white as sheet. What had happened was he had gone down to get the ball for a throw in next to the enclosure and this person (not calling him a fan) ran down from the back of the terracing and just shouted untold abuse at him as he picked the ball up. Something that person said really got to Langley and according to Lew he was never the same.
What I'm trying to say is there is a difference between booing and abuse.
yea agree. In the papers today some rats from arsenal were grabbing the abusing Nasri and the video is all over the web. That is abuse.
On the other hand booing is part and parcel of the game. We boo when the ref makes a bad call, we boo when a player cheats or dives etc..So really I dont see anything wrong in booing when we have sat through 90 min of absolute rubbish against a team in my eyes who we have to beat. The players didnt deserve any clapping or appreciation at the end, it was a dire lazy performance and quite rightly so the fans let them know.
Quote from: McBridefan1 on January 15, 2013, 01:53:26 PM
Quote from: MJG on January 15, 2013, 01:44:15 PM
I think I have mentioned this story before but here we go again.
Back in the dark days we had a young right back called Richard Langley. He started one season and played pretty much the first half of it.
He did ok (and actually I wrote a piece for TOOFIF showing we got better results when he was in the team) but was nothing special, just a young lad learning his trade.
Anyway towards the end of the season I had a chat with Ray Lewington and asked him about Richard and why he was not playing. He said basically he had come in from one game (a loss at home) and he was as white as sheet. What had happened was he had gone down to get the ball for a throw in next to the enclosure and this person (not calling him a fan) ran down from the back of the terracing and just shouted untold abuse at him as he picked the ball up. Something that person said really got to Langley and according to Lew he was never the same.
What I'm trying to say is there is a difference between booing and abuse.
Obviously not worthy of owning a ball sack, if some mongaloid shouting abuse from the stands makes him wet himself... unless the guy was russian mob "asking" for their money?
I think it was more the culmination of a young 19/20 year old in a team which was not doing great and being a RB he would have got a lot of verbal from the enclosure over the season and maybe this was just once too many times from what I suspect was slightly drunk/angry person.