Maybe, just maybe, we'll play like the team who showed up against Norwich.
Honestly, I think you may have a point - everyone fighting to win, and everyone being positive could help us out a lot.
Well I can't believe Yol.Resting Betrbatov for tonight's game. Would he like to tell us what he has done for starters.made me laugh 064.gif our little Greek genius has done more and he's 35 and raring to go
To be fair it's a long walk from the changing room to the line up, and then back again. And he has to do that twice every game. It all mounts up.
Quote from: CurryForMario on January 15, 2013, 07:08:21 PM
Honestly, I think you may have a point - everyone fighting to win, and everyone being positive could help us out a lot.
:plus one:
for me we are weaker without him, yes i know he struts, strops and moans, but his quality makes us a lot better
To true mr Bronson never took that into consideration and is abut cold up there to stand around doing nothing
i dont get the berba beating, he is our leading scorer, as i said on another post his talent in my opinion improve us as a team
Quote from: maoconnor on January 15, 2013, 07:06:56 PM
Maybe, just maybe, we'll play like the team who showed up against Norwich.
Against Norwich we had Dembele and Diarra!
Quote from: westcliff white on January 15, 2013, 07:16:28 PM
i dont get the berba beating, he is our leading scorer, as i said on another post his talent in my opinion improve us as a team
And in my opinion his talent makes us less of a team!
That's whats great about football - opinions.
We do agree he has talent though
Quote from: bucksfulham on January 15, 2013, 07:20:43 PM
Quote from: maoconnor on January 15, 2013, 07:06:56 PM
Maybe, just maybe, we'll play like the team who showed up against Norwich.
Against Norwich we had Dembele and Diarra!
Great TEAM game though wasn't it
Will Blackpool be relieved that Berbatov isn't playing? Yes, I think so. At least the players and management will be. The supporters might have liked to see his magic.
Quote from: westcliff white on January 15, 2013, 07:16:28 PM
i dont get the berba beating, he is our leading scorer, as i said on another post his talent in my opinion improve us as a team
Since you ask, I love Berba's skill and I loved his attitude in the first few games for us - looked like he had come to play and make a difference. I'd love him to do well for us.
But the last few games he has been a liability. It's like starting a man down. Yes, his talent improves us, but only if he uses it. Losing the ball on the edge of our penalty area and watching the resulting attack with his hands on his hips is not, in my view, a help.
And like the OP I find it laughable that a man who ambles around for 80 minutes out of 90 needs a rest.
All i was meaning to suggest is that with Berba in the side all of our play revolves around him...perhaps with him being absent more players will try a few inventive things to score.
Quote from: maoconnor on January 15, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
All i was meaning to suggest is that with Berba in the side all of our play revolves around him...perhaps with him being absent more players will try a few inventive things to score.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest we have more shots on goal today than we did in the home tie despite it being an away game
i agree re the edge of our area, but the he should be left where he is best up top and doing his thing. when he did that at the start he was dynamite. for me it highlights we need some players in moidfield to create so he can do what he does best
Quote from: The Bronsons on January 15, 2013, 07:27:34 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on January 15, 2013, 07:16:28 PM
i dont get the berba beating, he is our leading scorer, as i said on another post his talent in my opinion improve us as a team
Since you ask, I love Berba's skill and I loved his attitude in the first few games for us - looked like he had come to play and make a difference. I'd love him to do well for us.
But the last few games he has been a liability. It's like starting a man down. Yes, his talent improves us, but only if he uses it. Losing the ball on the edge of our penalty area and watching the resulting attack with his hands on his hips is not, in my view, a help.
And like the OP I find it laughable that a man who ambles around for 80 minutes out of 90 needs a rest.
Agree with this except I'm glad he isn't starting
One would hope so, but our central midfield against Norwich was Diarra, Ruiz, Dembele, today, its Baird and Karagounis. Should be enough to get the job done against Blackpool though.
Quote from: westcliff white on January 15, 2013, 07:31:19 PM
i agree re the edge of our area, but the he should be left where he is best up top and doing his thing. when he did that at the start he was dynamite. for me it highlights we need some players in moidfield to create so he can do what he does best
If it is the manager telling him to play on the edge of his own box and not run and not make a run after he passes I will let him off but I have a feeling it is the man himself choosing to do this. Berba is a hard one for me. I love his ability but just not sure his work rate suits a mid to bottom table club.
Quote from: Humbled on January 15, 2013, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: maoconnor on January 15, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
All i was meaning to suggest is that with Berba in the side all of our play revolves around him...perhaps with him being absent more players will try a few inventive things to score.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest we have more shots on goal today than we did in the home tie despite it being an away game
They'll be more attacking tonight as well though which will skew the stats. Bar the first two games of the season, pretty much all of our best performances so far this year have revolved around Berbatov playing well.
Quote from: Humbled on January 15, 2013, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on January 15, 2013, 07:31:19 PM
i agree re the edge of our area, but the he should be left where he is best up top and doing his thing. when he did that at the start he was dynamite. for me it highlights we need some players in moidfield to create so he can do what he does best
If it is the manager telling him to play on the edge of his own box and not run and not make a run after he passes I will let him off but I have a feeling it is the man himself choosing to do this. Berba is a hard one for me. I love his ability but just not sure his work rate suits a mid to bottom table club.
To be fair iirc Jol has been asking him to play creative mid ever since Ruiz got injured, what I don't get is why Jol is still expecting Berba to pull the strings when he's clearly not as good at Ruiz at it, even shifting Ruiz to holding mid against Wigan to accomodate Berba at the 10 position.
He did get clobbered a few times in he match against Wigan, think one of them was when Rami got injured too.
Quote from: maoconnor on January 15, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
All i was meaning to suggest is that with Berba in the side all of our play revolves around him...perhaps with him being absent more players will try a few inventive things to score.
Disagree. Him and Ruiz share the play. They are the only creative players, it's natural they will dominate the ball. If you recall Murphy used to as well but he never got all this criticism for it.
Quote from: The Moose on January 15, 2013, 07:39:57 PM
Quote from: maoconnor on January 15, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
All i was meaning to suggest is that with Berba in the side all of our play revolves around him...perhaps with him being absent more players will try a few inventive things to score.
Disagree. Him and Ruiz share the play. They are the only creative players, it's natural they will dominate the ball. If you recall Murphy used to as well but he never got all this criticism for it.
Murphy also gave the ball away an absolute truckload last year and didn't get any criticism. Granted he did have a fair amount of goodwill on his side :P
He runs around a lot actually and he hasn't had a rest. He's not used to running around as much as he has had to in his role here. The Berba bashing is just a bit daft, even when he's having one of his poorer games he's still one of our top players.
Would have liked to see Ruiz behind Petric again .
Our best players will get the most of the ball, thats the way it goes and I think everyone would admit that our most talented players are Ruiz and Berbs so they will get most of the ball.
Massive gamble but Jol again tonight. That's quite a strong team on paper and if we lose, I think the pressure will mount. At least he's got balls to try it, lets hope the 11 on the pitch turn up!
Quote from: God The Mechanic on January 15, 2013, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: The Moose on January 15, 2013, 07:39:57 PM
Quote from: maoconnor on January 15, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
All i was meaning to suggest is that with Berba in the side all of our play revolves around him...perhaps with him being absent more players will try a few inventive things to score.
Disagree. Him and Ruiz share the play. They are the only creative players, it's natural they will dominate the ball. If you recall Murphy used to as well but he never got all this criticism for it.
Murphy also gave the ball away an absolute truckload last year and didn't get any criticism. Granted he did have a fair amount of goodwill on his side :P
this is my problem... we are comparing Murphy (a midfielder) with Berba ( a striker).......
all i want is him to play as a striker and see him try as hard as he did against West Brom (home game)!!!
cant disagree Enter the Frei they are our best players on the ball but when Berba drops deep or Even lays it out wide then doesnt follow up with a run into the box we are non penetrative
Moose get of the pills there not working.explain when he has run he should have been subbed Saturday and Yol didn't have the balls to do it.he thinks the club revolve around him wrong we are bigger than him
But if there's no other creativity in the team, who is going to make the passes for him to get on the end of? That's where the current issue is - no ball playing midfielder to link to the top two who should (imo) always be Berba and Ruiz and no one making real runs ahead of them if/when they drop deep.
The MF is basically the crux of the problem both defensively and attackingwise.
Quote from: Fulham bob on January 15, 2013, 07:50:12 PM
Moose get of the pills there not working.explain when he has run he should have been subbed Saturday and Yol didn't have the balls to do it.he thinks the club revolve around him wrong we are bigger than him
He runs a lot more than you think, either way there is a lot more to football than just running around.
On the substitution thing he wasn't having his best game, but he's a player that can come up with a goal out of nothing. On performance on the day he probably deserved to go off, but if anyone is going to get us a winning goal he is the most likely.
Quote from: CanadianCottager on January 15, 2013, 07:39:05 PM
Quote from: Humbled on January 15, 2013, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on January 15, 2013, 07:31:19 PM
i agree re the edge of our area, but the he should be left where he is best up top and doing his thing. when he did that at the start he was dynamite. for me it highlights we need some players in moidfield to create so he can do what he does best
If it is the manager telling him to play on the edge of his own box and not run and not make a run after he passes I will let him off but I have a feeling it is the man himself choosing to do this. Berba is a hard one for me. I love his ability but just not sure his work rate suits a mid to bottom table club.
To be fair iirc Jol has been asking him to play creative mid ever since Ruiz got injured, what I don't get is why Jol is still expecting Berba to pull the strings when he's clearly not as good at Ruiz at it, even shifting Ruiz to holding mid against Wigan to accomodate Berba at the 10 position.
which is why when the Bent rumors were flying around i would have taken him... you have to accept Berba will drop deep and also make a pass then stand still so having him and Ruiz as the 2 attackers i think it is floored. on their day they are a pleasure to watch but stats dont lie and we havent had many shots on goal recently
Quote from: Fulham bob on January 15, 2013, 07:50:12 PM
Moose get of the pills there not working.explain when he has run he should have been subbed Saturday and Yol didn't have the balls to do it.he thinks the club revolve around him wrong we are bigger than him
There was a stat floating round when him and Tevez were both at Old Trafford that Berba routinely covered more ground than Tevez did - I'd be surprised if much has changed. While he doesn't look like he does he really does move a fair amount. As for being subbed, yeh he was ineffective but odds are he is more likely to create something than pretty much anyone else other than Ruiz (and Karagounis seemingly) at the moment.
Berbatov is a quality player he has won us points like against West Brom, he can't play well every game & when he doesn't its up to someone else to step up
We are weaker without Berbatov, he can't play well every game but he is a top player & if he plays like he did against West Brom he will make the difference
Quote from: God The Mechanic on January 15, 2013, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: The Moose on January 15, 2013, 07:39:57 PM
Quote from: maoconnor on January 15, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
All i was meaning to suggest is that with Berba in the side all of our play revolves around him...perhaps with him being absent more players will try a few inventive things to score.
Disagree. Him and Ruiz share the play. They are the only creative players, it's natural they will dominate the ball. If you recall Murphy used to as well but he never got all this criticism for it.
Murphy also gave the ball away an absolute truckload last year and didn't get any criticism. Granted he did have a fair amount of goodwill on his side :P
True.
Quote from: Fulham bob on January 15, 2013, 07:50:12 PM
Moose get of the pills there not working.explain when he has run he should have been subbed Saturday and Yol didn't have the balls to do it.he thinks the club revolve around him wrong we are bigger than him
He runs far more than you seem to recognize. Both Ruiz and Berba cover a lot of ground, they just both move languidly so it's less obvious.
Quote from: God The Mechanic on January 15, 2013, 07:52:08 PM
But if there's no other creativity in the team, who is going to make the passes for him to get on the end of? That's where the current issue is - no ball playing midfielder to link to the top two who should (imo) always be Berba and Ruiz and no one making real runs ahead of them if/when they drop deep.
The MF is basically the crux of the problem both defensively and attackingwise.
Bingo. That's why he needs to drop deep.