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Title: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: JackyFulham90 on January 31, 2013, 11:07:42 PM
Very positive window for us

Frimpong & Enoh will add some steal to our central midfield
Chris David is a talented youngster
Emanuelson is a top signing
Manolev is also a good signing very decent right back

We have options on Manolev & Enoh

We have kept all our squad together only Kelly left

Fair play to Jol & the board on a positive January window
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: Lighthouse on January 31, 2013, 11:10:39 PM
No striker is a concern. But this season is best forgotten so as long as we are safe then we were never going to do much in this window.
Title: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: Boggers on January 31, 2013, 11:12:28 PM
So the dust has just about settled and I make it that we've signed four new players all on loan until the end of the season:

Frimpong - Centre midfielder
Manolev - Right back
Emanuelson - Left/centre midfielder
Enoh - Centre midfielder

As I'm a bit of a cretin, I don't really know much about football outside of England. I know a bit about Frimpong having seen him a few times for Arsenal (he's a bit of a bruiser, lively and gets stuck in). But what about the other three signings? Are they good enough to start and/or make an impact? Where do you see them fitting in to the starting 11 or squad?
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: Tooting legend on January 31, 2013, 11:13:10 PM
We have strikers at the club that can do a very good job its just finding the right balance. With these signings berbatov wont have to drop so deep so he will become more effective as will rodellaga and petric.
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: ffcbulgaria on January 31, 2013, 11:13:32 PM
Now to a big surprise result on Saturday and renewing contracts
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: Riverside on January 31, 2013, 11:15:00 PM
Agreed positive window.
We all wanted CM and we have 4 new .

I think if we play with a strong CM goals are not an issue

My concern is depth a CB.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: NogoodBoyo on January 31, 2013, 11:15:09 PM
Who knows, Boggers, but you've forgotten that young David chap.
Nogood "could be a Goliath, isit" Boyo
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: bmasar on January 31, 2013, 11:15:09 PM
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on January 31, 2013, 11:07:42 PM
We have options on Manolev & Enoh

How does this work? Is the potential transfer fee already agreed upon?
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: WORTHINGFULHAM on January 31, 2013, 11:16:31 PM
They will fit in nicely and also give our strikers opportunities, these midfielders should be what we need to both supply attack and help defence. 076.gif
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: Jambo on January 31, 2013, 11:17:06 PM
Quote from: bmasar on January 31, 2013, 11:15:09 PM
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on January 31, 2013, 11:07:42 PM
We have options on Manolev & Enoh

How does this work? Is the potential transfer fee already agreed upon?

Usually,  that protects Fulham in the summer, if (I hope they do) they have a great end to the season they can't inflate the fee.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: Lighthouse on January 31, 2013, 11:17:39 PM
The midfielders are very much defensive midfielders I think. We have a wide player and a reserve right back.
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: zander on January 31, 2013, 11:18:49 PM
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on January 31, 2013, 11:07:42 PM
Very positive window for us

Frimpong & Enoh will add some steal to our central midfield
Chris David is a talented youngster
Emanuelson is a top signing
Manolev is also a good signing very decent right back

We have options on Manolev & Enoh

We have kept all our squad together only Kelly left

Fair play to Jol & the board on a positive January window

:plus one:

A solid window all round I'd say. The midfield has been solidified and we've added some youth and energy there which was much needed.
These signings should see us get through the season and then properly address the squad then.
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: Motown on January 31, 2013, 11:19:56 PM
It has to be said that we've got more loaners than Wonga. On the whole, they're more than decent loans and more than sufficient to keep us out of trouble this season.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: Pure football on January 31, 2013, 11:20:48 PM
Manolev can actually also play as right midfield and he frequntly does. So, he is an option at both right back and midfield. Likes to bomb forward on the wing and also scores goals.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: Lighthouse on January 31, 2013, 11:22:27 PM
Quote from: Pure football on January 31, 2013, 11:20:48 PM
Manolev can actually also play as right midfield and he frequntly does. So, he is an option at both right back and midfield. Likes to bomb forward on the wing and also scores goals.

Interesting - so would he be a contender for the first team ahead of the players we have?
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: WORTHINGFULHAM on January 31, 2013, 11:22:43 PM
Emanuelson will be a creative player, feeding the berba and ruiz which in turn should give them a breather for doing the midfield role and attack in one
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: twang on January 31, 2013, 11:24:27 PM
I must say our central midfield is a bit of a mess with no stand out player (except for Diarra, but I doubt he'll play for Fulham again).

Enoh, Frimpong, Karagounis, Sidwell, Baird and maybe Davies. I certainly cannot see a definite first choice pairing there, and that's a bit worrying.
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: A Humble Man on January 31, 2013, 11:24:33 PM
Two of the four we have a good chance of keeping the other two the Club would have to dig deep for the transfers fees and wages.  If these two prove they can they can make us contenders them MAF may dig deep as he done before.

The most disappointing thing is no keeper and no centre back but I assume the two defensive midfielder means a six man defence to compensate.  
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: zander on January 31, 2013, 11:25:40 PM
Quote from: Motown on January 31, 2013, 11:19:56 PM
It has to be said that we've got more loaners than Wonga. On the whole, they're more than decent loans and more than sufficient to keep us out of trouble this season.

I think thats the clubs outlook. No need to panic buy and spend loads of money just bring in some quality additions with a couple having options on them and then build in the summer.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: fulhamben on January 31, 2013, 11:26:18 PM
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on January 31, 2013, 11:15:09 PM
Who knows, Boggers, but you've forgotten that young David chap.
Nogood "could be a Goliath, isit" Boyo
killed by a small child with a sling shot? hope he is tougher than that :)
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: Snibbo on January 31, 2013, 11:26:25 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 31, 2013, 11:22:27 PM
Quote from: Pure football on January 31, 2013, 11:20:48 PM
Manolev can actually also play as right midfield and he frequntly does. So, he is an option at both right back and midfield. Likes to bomb forward on the wing and also scores goals.

Interesting - so would he be a contender for the first team ahead of the players we have?
Is this him:
http://youtu.be/FttqyhQVy38 (http://youtu.be/FttqyhQVy38)

Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: JackyFulham90 on January 31, 2013, 11:27:32 PM
Not many teams around us have strengthened, a top 10 finish is possible for us
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: A Humble Man on January 31, 2013, 11:31:12 PM
Jol likes a system where we have two defensive midfielders, two wingers, two attacking full backs and one man upfront and a attacking midfielder behind him.  He now has the people to do this.
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: Oakeshott on January 31, 2013, 11:31:38 PM
Let's hope that the loan players work out.

What I think this window tells us is that MAF thinks we'll probably stay in the Premiership but that he has his doubts about Jol - he hasn't allowed him to buy anyone, just bring in some short term loanees.

That seems to me to be excellent strategy on MAF's part, keeping all options open. He can sack Jol in the short term if things nose dive and relegation becomes a real possibility, or let him go at the end of the season if we survive without things looking much better than over the last three months, without having millions tied up in Jol players a successor won't necessarily want. Alternatively, if things do pick up and MAF decides he wants Jol to stay, it will be easier to judge in June which, if any, of the loan players are worth buying and no doubt at that stage funds will be made available.  
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: farfouille on January 31, 2013, 11:35:24 PM
Quote from: twang on January 31, 2013, 11:24:27 PM
I certainly cannot see a definite first choice pairing there, and that's a bit worrying.

My thoughts exactly. We will either see a lot of rotations in midfield or some of the players will stay on the bench until the end of the season. I hope it's the latter...
Title: Four new signings
Post by: The Swan on January 31, 2013, 11:37:54 PM
Of the four new signings who will be the fans favourite,or the fans target for abuse . I hope all are successful.We must give all of them a chance. With so many new midfield players is this the end for the Greek and Sidwell
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: farfouille on January 31, 2013, 11:38:35 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 31, 2013, 11:22:27 PM
Quote from: Pure football on January 31, 2013, 11:20:48 PM
Manolev can actually also play as right midfield and he frequntly does. So, he is an option at both right back and midfield. Likes to bomb forward on the wing and also scores goals.

Interesting - so would he be a contender for the first team ahead of the players we have?

No, I think he's just a back up for Riether and maybe for Duff, although there is also Dejagah...
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: Junichi on January 31, 2013, 11:39:17 PM
I like the look of this team.

(http://footballformation.co.uk/team/442d/310113233228.png)
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: farfouille on January 31, 2013, 11:40:13 PM
Quote from: Snibbo on January 31, 2013, 11:26:25 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 31, 2013, 11:22:27 PM
Quote from: Pure football on January 31, 2013, 11:20:48 PM
Manolev can actually also play as right midfield and he frequntly does. So, he is an option at both right back and midfield. Likes to bomb forward on the wing and also scores goals.

Interesting - so would he be a contender for the first team ahead of the players we have?
Is this him:
http://youtu.be/FttqyhQVy38 (http://youtu.be/FttqyhQVy38)



Yes, he scored in two matches in a row.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: BarryP on January 31, 2013, 11:40:31 PM
I have been wondering if we are going to start playing a 4-2-3-1 more often. It is not hard to picture a lineup of:

Schwarzer

Riether, Senderos, Hughes, Pickurleftie

Enoh, Frimpong

Dejagah, Ruiz, Urby

Berbatov

With Hughes, Baird & Manolev, Sidwell & Karagounis, Duff & Kaka and Petric & Rodallega we would have plenty of rotation options and depth for the stretch run.
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: Lighthouse on January 31, 2013, 11:41:20 PM
Think Sidwell deserves his place. The Greek is getting on and may well move on at the end of the season but has done well so who knows.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: farfouille on January 31, 2013, 11:42:54 PM
Quote from: Junichi on January 31, 2013, 11:39:17 PM
I like the look of this team.

(http://footballformation.co.uk/team/442d/310113233228.png)

Naah, I think there is a point in what the Humble Man said above.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: SaltfordWhite on January 31, 2013, 11:45:39 PM
So to recap very quickly:

£200 million of debt wiped out by the best Chariman a football club has ever had
A battling, victorious display at home against a local rival and a bogey side
Four signings from across some of the biggest sides in Europe

That's not a bad weeks work for a club that has done nothing but punch above it's weight for the last four years or so.

And still there is room for people to try to find issues.

Christ sake.
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: Jambo on January 31, 2013, 11:47:09 PM
Quote from: The Swan on January 31, 2013, 11:37:54 PM
Of the four new signings who will be the fans favourite,or the fans target for abuse . I hope all are successful.We must give all of them a chance. With so many new midfield players is this the end for the Greek and Sidwell

No doubt they have both done ok this year but they both lack legs and energy especially in the last 10 or 15 mins of games.  These new lads from what I've heard, will add that energy to the side.  Emanualson will add pace and creativity.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: PaulJ123 on January 31, 2013, 11:50:36 PM
My team would be:

Schwarzer
Riether Hughes Hangeland Richardson
Frimpong Karagounis
Dejegah Berba Urby
Rodallega


Frimpong over the others as ive actually seen him play.
That team has pace and width about it, and playing Rodallega up top means it will create more room for berbatov in behind (like we saw last night) to be more effective.

I'd love to see Ruiz and Berba in the same team but at the moment it just doesnt work as we end up with no strikers to stretch the play.
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: JackyFulham90 on January 31, 2013, 11:54:03 PM
We have competition for places now that's the main thing I feel Enoh & Emanuelson will do well for us
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: JackyFulham90 on January 31, 2013, 11:58:48 PM
Manolev & Enoh are like permanent signings, just gone down as loans to get the deals done
We will have no chance of keeping Emanuelson
Frimpong you never know
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: Bryanthebroom on February 01, 2013, 12:00:49 AM
Personally I thought these signings spelled the end for Chris Baird as a Fulham player. Not sure where he will fit into this side now but very happy Bairdinho is still with us.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: JackyFulham90 on February 01, 2013, 12:03:58 AM
Schwarzer

Riether Hughes Hangeland Richardson

Dejagah Sidwell Enoh Emanuelson

Berbatov

Rodallega

Etheridge , Senderos , Kara , Kaca , Frei , Frimpong , Davies , Duff , Briggs , Ruiz , Petric


Squad looking a lot stronger
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: Lighthouse on February 01, 2013, 12:10:11 AM
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on February 01, 2013, 12:03:58 AM
Schwarzer

Riether Hughes Hangeland Richardson

Dejagah Sidwell Enoh Emanuelson

Berbatov

Rodallega

Etheridge , Senderos , Kara , Kaca , Frei , Frimpong , Davies , Duff , Briggs , Ruiz , Petric


Squad looking a lot stronger


We can't drop Sidwell or Rodders surely? So I think this is the team I would go with.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: Bryanthebroom on February 01, 2013, 12:14:52 AM
http://footballformation.co.uk/team/4231/010213000734.png (http://footballformation.co.uk/team/4231/010213000734.png)

This is what I'd go for, with a fluid 3 in behind Rodallega, Berba and Ruiz acting as playmakers and Emanuelson the pacey runner from midfield.

Obviously Rodallega isn't ideal but he's the only one who can stretch defences and give our midfield more room in which to operate.

Width would be a problem but It'd work at home where we had the majority of the possession and our fullbacks could bomb forward.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: BarryP on February 01, 2013, 12:28:05 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 01, 2013, 12:10:11 AM
We can't drop Sidwell or Rodders surely? So I think this is the team I would go with.

I think the question was where do the signings fit and not what our best lineup is. Based on the West Ham match I would think Rodallega is a must start. Sidwell will be in for more competition. You can only start two of Sidders, Karagounis, Enoh, Frimpong and Diarra when he returns.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: EJL on February 01, 2013, 12:30:14 AM
Holland play a 4231 with two proper holding players. An example from previous years:

WC Final team

Stekelenburg
GVDW - Heitinga - Mathijsen - GVB
de Jong - van Bommel
Robben - Sneijder - Kuyt
RVP

Granted, we don't have a front four anywhere near the quality of that Dutch team. But we now have similar players to play that way. Frimpong and Enoh would be the two proper holding midfielders who can break up play; allow the forward players to stay forward; get the best out of Ruiz and Berbatov. We could get away with playing a Dejagah or a Kacaniklic without having to worry about them potentially leaving the team defensively exposed.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: FFCByTheRiver on February 01, 2013, 12:32:54 AM
Emanuelson SHOULD be a first team regular. The rest are probably subs/backup.
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: EJL on February 01, 2013, 12:37:33 AM
I don't understand this "Karagounis can't last 90 minutes" line. He seems to be the only one still sprinting at the end of a game. Remember, he lasted the whole 120 minutes at Bloomfield road. Only went off on Wednesday because he'd taken a battering (and one too many tumbles).
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: St Eve on February 01, 2013, 12:44:42 AM
The end of Sidwell I hope. Kara has been great
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: kevin on February 01, 2013, 01:10:31 AM
i hate to say it but Sidwell is becoming a liability
gets booked too much and has been giving the ball away too cheaply
we need a deep midfielder with a bit of composure on the ball
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: CH FFC on February 01, 2013, 01:16:20 AM
Quote from: BenjyUK on February 01, 2013, 12:32:54 AM
Emanuelson SHOULD be a first team regular. The rest are probably subs/backup.

I think Manolev, Frimpong, and Emanuelson will all be seen on a regular basis.  They may not start every game, but I think they have enough to push for a place.  Of course they may not be ready for Saturday, and then again....it maybe a good time to try out the new faces. 
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: ffcbulgaria on February 01, 2013, 01:36:38 AM
Emanuelson - #28
Manolev - #25
Enoh - #23

most likely... unless they go for something more fancy like 77
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: ffcbulgaria on February 01, 2013, 01:39:17 AM
Quote from: kevin on February 01, 2013, 01:10:31 AM
i hate to say it but Sidwell is becoming a liability
gets booked too much and has been giving the ball away too cheaply
we need a deep midfielder with a bit of composure on the ball

Booked once in every 4 league games - is the 2nd yellow card ban after the 10th? Cause he might not even reach it before the end of the season..
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: cebu on February 01, 2013, 01:43:16 AM
Quote from: Bryanthebroom on February 01, 2013, 12:00:49 AM
Personally I thought these signings spelled the end for Chris Baird as a Fulham player. Not sure where he will fit into this side now but very happy Bairdinho is still with us.

Baird can still do a job as a backup CB.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: Mr K.Dilkington on February 01, 2013, 01:43:23 AM
Quote from: BenjyUK on February 01, 2013, 12:32:54 AM
Emanuelson SHOULD be a first team regular. The rest are probably subs/backup.
There's no reason not to play Emanuelson, Pacy,Attacking, overall positive looking player. We don't get many midfielders down here who can do that for fun so let's try and get the best out of him for the five months he's here, and lets hope he's played in CM and not left back where he can be fully utilised. And on the other players Frimpong and Enoh are CDM's so should give good competition to Sidwell,Baird and Diarra, Jol's now got very good options to choose from in terms of deep lying midfieder's which is a good headache to have. Based on what I've seen of Emanuelson it would be good if he's played as a more attacking midfielder, if played in that position he's certainly going to give Ruiz a run for his place in the team, which based on his performance against West Ham can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: zander on February 01, 2013, 01:45:11 AM
Quote from: EJL on February 01, 2013, 12:37:33 AM
I don't understand this "Karagounis can't last 90 minutes" line. He seems to be the only one still sprinting at the end of a game. Remember, he lasted the whole 120 minutes at Bloomfield road. Only went off on Wednesday because he'd taken a battering (and one too many tumbles).

I think its more a case of him not being able to do regular back to back full games such as a wednesday saturday turn around.
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: tomcolemanfry on February 01, 2013, 01:53:29 AM
We have suddenly got so many players. Really don't see the point in Manolev and Enoh. Emanuelson could be a season changing signing though. Bit of pace we need on the left-hand side.
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: SaltfordWhite on February 01, 2013, 02:16:24 AM
I would hazard a guess that Sidwell is up for the abuse next, that, or Jol for upsetting the balance of the squad with too many brilliant signings!
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: ffcbulgaria on February 01, 2013, 02:17:15 AM
Quote from: tomcolemanfry on February 01, 2013, 01:53:29 AM
We have suddenly got so many players. Really don't see the point in Manolev and Enoh. Emanuelson could be a season changing signing though. Bit of pace we need on the left-hand side.

Manolev for Kelly
Enoh for Midfield where were thin
Title: Transfer Overview
Post by: Walsh on February 01, 2013, 03:00:21 AM
Manolev -- He will defiantly be the replacement for Stephan Kelly, from what I've heard he isn't very good at all, his worst attribute is crossing and also jumps into a tackle when he should be holding off the winger.

Enoh -- From what I've heard he is meant to be really good, my friend who is an Ajax fan said he is similar to Tiote but better... I hope he is right.

Emanuelson -- Really good player, suppose to be good at passing/crossing and will most probably play on the winger rather than defense, not sure how well he will do in the Premiership but I can see him starting most games.
Title: Re: Transfer Overview
Post by: RidgeRider on February 01, 2013, 03:03:57 AM
Thanks for that. I watch nothing outside the Prem so I had heard of none of these chaps prior to a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Overview
Post by: Deanothefulhamfan on February 01, 2013, 04:11:34 AM
Not forgetting Chris David who is an exceptional talent.... Im soooooo happy with the deals we have done....
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: Walsh on February 01, 2013, 04:14:24 AM
         Berbatov     -      Ruiz

Emanuelson - Enoh - Karagounis - Duff/Dejagah

Riise - Hangeland - Hughes -   Riether

               Schwarzer
Title: Re: Transfer Overview
Post by: F(f)CUK on February 01, 2013, 07:56:45 AM
What this window really shows is how much of a mess we were in after the last one. Ignoring Chris David, who appears to be one for the future 3 of the remaining 4 are full time midfielders and the other could be.
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: MasterHaynes on February 01, 2013, 08:00:10 AM
Quote from: EJL on February 01, 2013, 12:37:33 AM
I don't understand this "Karagounis can't last 90 minutes" line. He seems to be the only one still sprinting at the end of a game. Remember, he lasted the whole 120 minutes at Bloomfield road. Only went off on Wednesday because he'd taken a battering (and one too many tumbles).
:plus one: Why should one player coming in mean the end of another, If Sidwell is injured who do we have to step in, only Bairdinho at the moment. Jol has said he likes to rotate to keep people fresh, can see tham all staying, even with the 4 new players we still won't have to remove anyone from 25 man squad we submit to the premier league.
Title: Re: Transfer Overview
Post by: Roberty on February 01, 2013, 08:10:48 AM
Quote from: FF(C)UK on February 01, 2013, 07:56:45 AM
What this window really shows is how much of a mess we were in after the last one. Ignoring Chris David, who appears to be one for the future 3 of the remaining 4 are full time midfielders and the other could be.

I am at a loss as to why you think it shows "how much of a mess we are in", perhaps you could elaborate?

Our club aquired the use of two top players on loan, which means we still have all of the money we ever had in the bank.
As far as them being midfielders - that has been highlighted as major need by the majority of posters on here.

If we are going to create space for our young players in future years we cannot keep buying older plays on long contracts.
Title: Re: Transfer Overview
Post by: alfie on February 01, 2013, 08:14:20 AM
Quote from: Walsh on February 01, 2013, 03:00:21 AM
Manolev -- He will defiantly be the replacement for Stephan Kelly, from what I've heard he isn't very good at all, his worst attribute is crossing and also jumps into a tackle when he should be holding off the winger.

Enoh -- From what I've heard he is meant to be really good, my friend who is an Ajax fan said he is similar to Tiote but better... I hope he is right.

Emanuelson -- Really good player, suppose to be good at passing/crossing and will most probably play on the winger rather than defense, not sure how well he will do in the Premiership but I can see him starting most games.

this is all about what you have heard and supposed to be, so i get the impression you have not seen any of them, lets see what they do for us and you won't have to rely on what you heard.
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: Bassey the warrior on February 01, 2013, 08:43:12 AM
Quote from: cebu on February 01, 2013, 01:43:16 AM
Quote from: Bryanthebroom on February 01, 2013, 12:00:49 AM
Personally I thought these signings spelled the end for Chris Baird as a Fulham player. Not sure where he will fit into this side now but very happy Bairdinho is still with us.

Baird can still do a job as a backup CB.

Agreed. He impressed last season. He's got the positional awareness of Hughes. I was very disappointed we didn't strengthen there so it's just as well he stayed.
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: Edwatch_Winston_Malone on February 01, 2013, 08:53:55 AM
Quote from: SaltfordWhite on February 01, 2013, 02:16:24 AM
I would hazard a guess that Sidwell is up for the abuse next, that, or Jol for upsetting the balance of the squad with too many brilliant signings!


:plus one:

Pretty much; it's a pack mentality of a number people who are not happy unless they are making others miserable...
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: TonyGilroy on February 01, 2013, 09:02:04 AM
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on February 01, 2013, 08:53:55 AM
Quote from: SaltfordWhite on February 01, 2013, 02:16:24 AM
I would hazard a guess that Sidwell is up for the abuse next, that, or Jol for upsetting the balance of the squad with too many brilliant signings!


:plus one:

Pretty much; it's a pack mentality of a number people who are not happy unless they are making others miserable...

Really? A pack mentality? But only of a number of people. A small pack then of people who probably don't know each other.

How about accepting that some people might have different opinions and have the right to express them on here.

I've not seen any posters on here who don't seem to want the club to succeed.
Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: Lighthouse on February 01, 2013, 09:13:13 AM
I am in a pack that likes Sidwell. So hope he keeps his place especially if Jol goes back to the pedestrian Berbatov and Ruiz without Rodders. We need pace and Sidders may not have great pace but does support the attack if he has to.

Title: Re: Four new signings
Post by: Deanothefulhamfan on February 01, 2013, 09:34:16 AM
I think barring reither who is head and shoulders above everyone, Sidwell has been our best player this season.... Think Enoh will start ahead of kara who is another that has played decent in recent games
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: domprague on February 01, 2013, 09:41:48 AM
 :005:

Quote from: fulhamben on January 31, 2013, 11:26:18 PM
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on January 31, 2013, 11:15:09 PM
Who knows, Boggers, but you've forgotten that young David chap.
Nogood "could be a Goliath, isit" Boyo
killed by a small child with a sling shot? hope he is tougher than that :)
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: Joe McDonald on February 01, 2013, 09:57:59 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 31, 2013, 11:10:39 PM
No striker is a concern. But this season is best forgotten so as long as we are safe then we were never going to do much in this window.

If we can get the confidence and style of played that we started the season with, by utilising these new signings, then the goals could/should flow as they did during that first month of the season. 

Having said that I think there will be some significant signings in the summer.  Not as if we couldn't strengthen/improve in every position.  If we could uncover another gem like we did with Saha...
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: MJG on February 01, 2013, 10:01:28 AM
I think the loans are to help Jol get his two untouchables working in the same team.

I don't think we will see Ruiz & Berbatov up top again as a pairing (or one behind), Either Dave or Petric will have a starting place with those two in the team as well.
We will drop one of the wingers and have a much narrower midfield with Ruiz floating around trying not to get his socks dirty.
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: A Humble Man on February 01, 2013, 10:05:05 AM
Jol comment that we have no chance of a permanent signing of an AC Milan players is a little concerning.  We are still a long way from being a big player as you cannot survive with players you have for six months at a time.
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: Roberty on February 01, 2013, 10:16:31 AM
Quote from: Oakeshott on January 31, 2013, 11:31:38 PM
Let's hope that the loan players work out.

What I think this window tells us is that MAF thinks we'll probably stay in the Premiership but that he has his doubts about Jol - he hasn't allowed him to buy anyone, just bring in some short term loanees.

That seems to me to be excellent strategy on MAF's part, keeping all options open. He can sack Jol in the short term if things nose dive and relegation becomes a real possibility, or let him go at the end of the season if we survive without things looking much better than over the last three months, without having millions tied up in Jol players a successor won't necessarily want. Alternatively, if things do pick up and MAF decides he wants Jol to stay, it will be easier to judge in June which, if any, of the loan players are worth buying and no doubt at that stage funds will be made available.  

Why do you think MAF has doubts about Jol - we got good loan signing without having to spend any of our capital.
The new goalkeeper and Huddleston sagas demonstrate that there was money to invest if the deals had not gone pear-shaped.
There is no point in spending money for the sake of it - better to have a good loan signing.
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: FulhamMic on February 01, 2013, 10:17:59 AM
Quote from: Oakeshott on January 31, 2013, 11:31:38 PM
What I think this window tells us is that MAF thinks we'll probably stay in the Premiership but that he has his doubts about Jol

No. It doesn't.

It tells us that Jol, Mack and MAF understand the best way to run this club is to not waste money in January by overpaying for mediocre players. Loans are a very useful way to reinforce with very little financial risk.

What I think this actually tells us is that all three realise a lot of the current squad have contracts expiring in the summer, and given their age will probably be allowed to leave. That's when we'll need actual investment.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: rusty shackleford on February 01, 2013, 10:19:39 AM
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Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: rusty shackleford on February 01, 2013, 10:21:16 AM
bench will be a problem if everyone is fit. Diarra, Frei, Kaca, Baird, Senderos, Enoh, Manolev, Briggs, Etheridge, Dejagah, Rodallega, Petric, Sidwell etc
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: FulhamMic on February 01, 2013, 10:28:20 AM
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:clap_hands:  :scarf:  :plus one:
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: fulhamking on February 01, 2013, 10:33:44 AM
This is how they fitb;)
                  Schwartz
Riether  Sanderos Hangeland Richardson
           Frimpong  Enoh

     Manolev               Emmanuelson
                   Ruiz

                 Berbatov

This is the team to push for Europe place ;)

P.s people say Manolev is the worst right back in Europe. Thats because he is attacking minded, a
winger, not a right back. Psv missused him.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: Burt on February 01, 2013, 10:34:08 AM
Just reading the odd comment on Sidwell being for the chop... I've got to say that during our lean spell he has been one of the few players who has given a damn, and has actually been putting in decent shifts. He may not be blessed with silky skills, but he runs his socks off, shores up the midfield, gives us an extra edge, etc.

Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: rusty shackleford on February 01, 2013, 10:35:42 AM
The worst thing about Sidwell is he often gets booked early leaving us to sweat for an hour or so. A few times this year he could have walked
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: fulhamking on February 01, 2013, 10:39:02 AM
Quote from: rusty shackleford on February 01, 2013, 10:35:42 AM
The worst thing about Sidwell is he often gets booked early leaving us to sweat for an hour or so. A few times this year he could have walked
The worst thing? Really Rusty? Not his passing, vision, deffesive play..?
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: Pure football on February 01, 2013, 01:07:01 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 31, 2013, 11:22:27 PM
Quote from: Pure football on January 31, 2013, 11:20:48 PM
Manolev can actually also play as right midfield and he frequntly does. So, he is an option at both right back and midfield. Likes to bomb forward on the wing and also scores goals.

Interesting - so would he be a contender for the first team ahead of the players we have?

Possibly, especially if Jol decides to try him in the middle right. I don't really expect that anyone would replace Riether the way he has been playing in his position.
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: rusty shackleford on February 01, 2013, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: fulhamking on February 01, 2013, 10:39:02 AM
Quote from: rusty shackleford on February 01, 2013, 10:35:42 AM
The worst thing about Sidwell is he often gets booked early leaving us to sweat for an hour or so. A few times this year he could have walked
The worst thing? Really Rusty? Not his passing, vision, deffesive play..?

he is a good player otherwise
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: fulhamking on February 01, 2013, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: rusty shackleford on February 01, 2013, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: fulhamking on February 01, 2013, 10:39:02 AM
Quote from: rusty shackleford on February 01, 2013, 10:35:42 AM
The worst thing about Sidwell is he often gets booked early leaving us to sweat for an hour or so. A few times this year he could have walked
The worst thing? Really Rusty? Not his passing, vision, deffesive play..?

he is a good player otherwise
Good player for what? Working his socks off and not being effective is not what Fulham needs, unless Fulham's only ambition is to remain in Premier. The most Sidwell could contribute is in Cup games, and not against strong sides mind.
Please, dont understand me wrong. I have nothing personally against Sidwell, or Baird. However, their best performances this season should not be satisfaction for any Fulham supporter, simply because were not good enough (to say it in a nice way ;)
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: MasterHaynes on February 01, 2013, 01:53:56 PM
Quote from: twang on January 31, 2013, 11:24:27 PM
I must say our central midfield is a bit of a mess with no stand out player (except for Diarra, but I doubt he'll play for Fulham again).

I was thinking the same thing Jol bought him knowing Diarra had retired from internationals,bigged him up, he then plays for Mali gets injured and despite being injured and predicted to just recover for ACN went against Jol wishes and said he wanted to play in ACN. I do wonder if Jol has given up on him and has decided to not play him unless absolutely necessary and not re-new his contract in the summer.
Title: Re: Positive window for us
Post by: jmh on February 01, 2013, 02:17:37 PM
Quote from: A Humble Man on February 01, 2013, 10:05:05 AM
Jol comment that we have no chance of a permanent signing of an AC Milan players is a little concerning.  We are still a long way from being a big player as you cannot survive with players you have for six months at a time.
I mentioned in another thread - I believe Milan's policy is to have a lot of players on the books and loan them out rather than selling them.  They have 32 guys loaned out to clubs around Europe.  In other words I think what Jol said was a reflection on Milan's transfer policy rather than Fulham's capabilities.  (I mean, we were on the verge of signing the goalkeeper for the Dutch national team from one of the five biggest clubs in Italy.)
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: Riverside on February 01, 2013, 02:46:57 PM
Quote from: MasterHaynes on February 01, 2013, 01:53:56 PM
Quote from: twang on January 31, 2013, 11:24:27 PM
I must say our central midfield is a bit of a mess with no stand out player (except for Diarra, but I doubt he'll play for Fulham again).

I was thinking the same thing Jol bought him knowing Diarra had retired from internationals,bigged him up, he then plays for Mali gets injured and despite being injured and predicted to just recover for ACN went against Jol wishes and said he wanted to play in ACN. I do wonder if Jol has given up on him and has decided to not play him unless absolutely necessary and not re-new his contract in the summer.

True cannot see him staying.
But if he gets fully fit again he can and should still play
Unless of course Enoch and Frimpong both prove to be better - what joy would that be
Title: Re: New signings - where do they fit in?
Post by: BarryP on February 01, 2013, 03:59:19 PM
Quote from: Burt on February 01, 2013, 10:34:08 AM
Just reading the odd comment on Sidwell being for the chop... I've got to say that during our lean spell he has been one of the few players who has given a damn, and has actually been putting in decent shifts. He may not be blessed with silky skills, but he runs his socks off, shores up the midfield, gives us an extra edge, etc.



Burt, I admire the way Sidwell has stepped up and been one of the more consistent Fulham performers this season but when we had better talent last season he rarely got minutes.  If he keeps his place in the side because of the way he is performing I will not moan.  On the flip side, if better talent has been brought in to replace him I will not moan about that either.