We have made 40 points we are safe for another season but not much more, our experienced squad will always see us safe but will never take us any further I feel, if we want to push on now is the time to let go of some experienced players have faith in the youngsters & invest in certain areas of the team if we want to progress above anything but mid table
For me
Schwarzer , Riise , Davies , Diarra , Baird , Karagounis , Petric should be moved on this summer.
They have been great players for us but we need to look to the future I hope Jol does it early to give himself all summer to re fill some gaps.
Next season we really need to target a top 8 finish & a cup run players I would like to see him keep in the squad next year & add a few youngsters in
Stockdale , Etheridge
Riether , Hughes , Hangeland , Grimmer , Senderos , Richardson , Briggs
Mesca , Dejagah , Duff , Sidwell , Enoh , Frimpong , Kacaniklic , Frei
Ruiz , Berbatov , Rodallega , Tankovic
Obviously we need to spend some money(not loads) just in sensible areas, maybe find some loan deals for a few youngsters
This hasn't been a great season for us I just feel now is the time to change the image of the club from mid table experienced players
Really makes sense, get rid of experienced players to bring in " hope they can adapt to the premier league players?" :046:
We would still have enough experience in Riether , Hangeland , Sidwell & Berbatov starting, we lack pace in out current team our older players can't play forever this is the summer for change
We all agree with the principle of bringing in good young players, Jol especially.
They have to be good enough though and the standard required is seriously high. They can't be introduced on a cross fingers let's hope for the best basis especially if we've let senior players go.
All of our premiership games are tight matches and experimenting with more than one young unproven player at a time could prove fatal. Change needs to be gradual as players do need time to settle into the premiership.
I will be upset if we are deprived of the pleasure of watching Karagounis for another season, in fact if he leaves many of us may well be looking for a rebate on our season ticket price, the guy is a star attraction.
The big issue for me is someone up front who can actually put the ball in the net, in addition to Berba. Petric and Rodders don't "cut the mustard" in that department.
I think we already have a lot of experienced players even if you take out Kara & Schwarzer
Like I said Riether , Hangeland , Sidwell & Berbatov will all be regular next season they can help youngsters, Dejagah has experience as does Ruiz that gives a platform for us to play Kaca & Frei maybe Mesca maybe Tankovic, I actually enjoy watching Aston Villa there problem is they don't have quality experience but we do even without Schwarzer & Kara
Although its very unlikely and it would be very Fulhamish, we're still not safe on 40 pts.
We have some good youngsters in Kasami , Frei & Kaca I'm not saying play them all at the same time but they need to be given longer runs in the team now, playing with players like Berbatov will only make them better as we have seen with Kacaniklic
Quote from: Admin on April 20, 2013, 10:00:33 AM
Although its very unlikely and it would be very Fulhamish, we're still not safe on 40 pts.
Very true, I can see us getting a result today as that would be very Fulhamish
Quote from: Burt on April 20, 2013, 09:59:41 AM
The big issue for me is someone up front who can actually put the ball in the net, in addition to Berba. Petric and Rodders don't "cut the mustard" in that department.
I agree here. 44 goals scored in 33 games simply is not good enough, considering sometimes we score 5 or 3 in a single game!
Need to shoot to score and we only do that around 12 times a game.
Up front we need a forward. We need a left sided pace player. Left back is a problem. We need a central midfield player or will do soon and we need a centre half with Brede and will need a keeper.
So knowing Fulham we will fail in keeping the players we have and have the same conversation next season. Not sure Jol needs to be brave but the Club need to back him more than they have.
I really want us to sign all the necessary additions early in the window. I don´t want us to leave it until the last 24 hours as usual. Let´s do all our business before the players report back for pre season training. This will give the new players ample time to be up & running at the start of the new season.
Quote from: grandad on April 20, 2013, 11:45:21 AM
I really want us to sign all the necessary additions early in the window. I don´t want us to leave it until the last 24 hours as usual. Let´s do all our business before the players report back for pre season training. This will give the new players ample time to be up & running at the start of the new season.
If wishes were horses ... I share your hopes, but realize it'll probably go down to the wire as usual.
We all want a younger team, but then you get people saying Kaca and Frei will never make it after them playing around 20 games for us each.
Stekelenburg will be out number 1, i can feel it. i can also see huddlestone finally comming, jol wants to keep petric. and i feel a few gems from Holland or Belgium comming. also a new CB
Quote from: L-Wizzy on April 20, 2013, 01:48:06 PM
Stekelenburg will be out number 1, i can feel it. i can also see huddlestone finally comming, jol wants to keep petric. and i feel a few gems from Holland or Belgium comming. also a new CB
haven't we apparently agreed a deal with the cb from bilbao amorebieta?
Quote from: fulham1234 on April 20, 2013, 02:31:45 PM
Quote from: L-Wizzy on April 20, 2013, 01:48:06 PM
Stekelenburg will be out number 1, i can feel it. i can also see huddlestone finally comming, jol wants to keep petric. and i feel a few gems from Holland or Belgium comming. also a new CB
haven't we apparently agreed a deal with the cb from bilbao amorebieta?
So the papers day
i agree jol needs to be brave.
sword and fall on it!
we are going backwards. he didn't have the guts tp take off a player that wasn't remotely trying, we played arsenal with 9 men. you can't let berba get away with that so often it is discgraceful
generally we are underacheving and everything that had been good is gone, we are going backwards.
one goal in the last four games and that was an own goal, and the win before that we nearly threw away. our biggest signing ever ruiz is a car crash of a player not worth his place, he should be out on loan and a center forward who is immensely talented but never criticised and never withdrawn through lack of effort.
I really don't think jol is anywhere near good enough, wee can do better. two years ago i said poyet was the man and he still is the best man for the job.
Just reacting to the thread title, it isn't Jol that needs to be brave. The board has to have the guts to bring in new players on more than just a loan or a one-year contract.
Quote from: HatterDon on April 20, 2013, 07:58:23 PM
Just reacting to the thread title, it isn't Jol that needs to be brave. The board has to have the guts to bring in new players on more than just a loan or a one-year contract.
Yah, Jol needs to be backed is probably more accurate. Or if he isn't going to be, he needs to be replaced by someone who WILL be.
Quote from: HatterDon on April 20, 2013, 07:58:23 PM
Just reacting to the thread title, it isn't Jol that needs to be brave. The board has to have the guts to bring in new players on more than just a loan or a one-year contract.
jol wasted a fortune on ruiz, i wouldn't give him that much money, he is very judgment impaired
Quote from: nose on April 20, 2013, 08:13:31 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on April 20, 2013, 07:58:23 PM
Just reacting to the thread title, it isn't Jol that needs to be brave. The board has to have the guts to bring in new players on more than just a loan or a one-year contract.
jol wasted a fortune on ruiz, i wouldn't give him that much money, he is very judgment impaired
Tigana and Hodgson "wasted" 10m each on Marlet and AJ too, doesn't mean they wouldn't deserve backing again. Must be said we seem to have a bit of a curse on 10m+ players, although I still don't see Ruiz as being as bad as a lot of others make out. Still, we should stick to what we're good at; cheap underrated players.
anyone else see a possibly ambitious bid to bring Clint back to Craven Cottage even if Spurs manage to get CL?
Quote from: DiegoFulham on April 20, 2013, 08:54:44 PM
anyone else see a possibly ambitious bid to bring Clint back to Craven Cottage even if Spurs manage to get CL?
No. It would be insane for Fulham to attempt to buy him, and Spurs wouldn't sell him in the first place.
we're mid table in In the top league in Europe. We have key injuries at the moment Diarra, Duff and Dejagah all missing from midfield. Sidwell jumped in yesterday and got carded so thats another 3 games we will miss the tough tackler. Yesterday was encouraging as at last the new lads brought in in January looked like they had found their feet. We were dreadfully unlucky. I cant wait for this season to end.. to give us 3 months to sort out fitness, contracts and possible youth players promotion. Kaca and Frei were back yesterday and looking very busy. I really think we have all the players and the manager to do well next season.
Quote from: Admin on April 20, 2013, 10:00:33 AM
Although its very unlikely and it would be very Fulhamish, we're still not safe on 40 pts.
For us to go down we would need to lose all of our remaining games (including reading at Home) and on top of that unlikely event Wigan would have to win 3 and draw 1 of their last 5. Not to mention Stoke, Villa and Sunderland would also need to overtake us. WE ARE NOT GOING DOWN.
Quote from: Jambo on April 21, 2013, 08:20:06 AM
Quote from: Admin on April 20, 2013, 10:00:33 AM
Although its very unlikely and it would be very Fulhamish, we're still not safe on 40 pts.
For us to go down we would need to lose all of our remaining games (including reading at Home) and on top of that unlikely event Wigan would have to win 3 and draw 1 of their last 5. Not to mention Stoke, Villa and Sunderland would also need to overtake us. WE ARE NOT GOING DOWN.
BUT I WANT TO BE MISERABLE SO I CAN SCREAM I TOLD YOU SO
Have to admit if we sign Enoh & Riether & had Dejagah & Emanuelson fit all season we could be a top 8 side injuries have hurt us this season
I'd be happier if we get a few more points personally.
The difficulty is that unless our players are out of contract I do not see too many clubs coming in for them
Enoh on a permanent and someone to play along side him. Priority last summer and again this. Hopefully we have spent all this season scouting for Murphy and/or Dembele's replacement. Baird, Kara and Diarra all to leave and Sidwell as a squad player. As he was when he joined.
Reither as right back and Manolev as his back up NOT as a right midfielder
Left back. Not sure that Riise, Briggs and/or Richardson are the answer but other areas need team need attention first
Because Jol seems not to rate him, Stockdale to Hull and Schwarzer to go if Stekelenberg comes
I doubt Emanuelson will stay. He made it clear in interviews that he viewed his time with us to show Milan what they are missing or to put himself in the shop window for a bigger club. If Jol does convince him to stay send Frei on loan for a year to Galatasary. They seem to want him and he needs games to work out what he is meant to do with his left foot. Other than stand on it.
We do not have enough shots or score enough goals. Biggest decision for Jol in my opinion this summer is what he does with Ruiz and Berbatov. For me Jol has too much of his own personal stock tied up in Ruiz (£10m+) and Berbatov (man-love). I would like to see Jol being brave in his substitutions in the last 4 games. Ruiz and Berbatov can actually be subbed. Question is whether Hugo and Petric are adequate back up and if you put them on in place of the providers (e.g Kaca and Emamuelson yesterday) how are we ever going to know?
Quote from: SKSW6 on April 20, 2013, 08:24:46 PM
Quote from: nose on April 20, 2013, 08:13:31 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on April 20, 2013, 07:58:23 PM
Just reacting to the thread title, it isn't Jol that needs to be brave. The board has to have the guts to bring in new players on more than just a loan or a one-year contract.
jol wasted a fortune on ruiz, i wouldn't give him that much money, he is very judgment impaired
Tigana and Hodgson "wasted" 10m each on Marlet and AJ too, doesn't mean they wouldn't deserve backing again. Must be said we seem to have a bit of a curse on 10m+ players, although I still don't see Ruiz as being as bad as a lot of others make out. Still, we should stick to what we're good at; cheap underrated players.
i agree they all have a go at wasting money. malet was the worst. AJ was stupid signing because although i thought him a great player with much quality he was obviously a sick note!
ruiz though is completely incomprehernsible. he has talent but is so slow in possesion, he always has to turn three times before doing anything, he never passes first time and rarely passes to anyone but berba. he has no apparent body strength and has not improved since his first disastorous performance.
as i say he clearly ahs skill but in two years we have seen so little of it.
I am not a great lover of the current manager, i think he started with a very good squad and now we are going backwards.
Quote from: nose on April 21, 2013, 03:04:20 PM
he has no apparent body strength and has not improved since his first disastorous performance.
as i say he clearly ahs skill but in two years we have seen so little of it.
I am not a great lover of the current manager, i think he started with a very good squad and now we are going backwards.
That's absolute garbage! He's had some absolutely sensational performances this season, dominating teams when he has time and space. Unfortunately not all give him that, but when they do he's brilliant.
As for the team going backwards, he's not "bought" many players that would have been his first choice and lost players that would have been, and that "very good squad" has aged badly.
We have been safe for quite a while. We were safe before we reached 39, never mind 40.