An improved Fulham bid for Darren Bent. Prices haven't been mentioned but there were rumours that our previous bid was £4m.
Gutting that Osvaldo isn't coming.
Think id rather bent than osvaldo. Pl experience, cheaper, english, fast which is what we need, our team is fairly slow
I've heard somewhere that we've bid £6m.
Quote from: Burt on August 02, 2013, 01:21:25 PM
I've heard somewhere that we've bid £6m.
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£6m is too much for a player that will not get to his peak play again. But, because of how quiet we've been in this window, any signing will do. If we end up signing Bent and Taarabt, I will be satisfied.
Quote from: Admin on August 02, 2013, 01:24:13 PM
Quote from: Burt on August 02, 2013, 01:21:25 PM
I've heard somewhere that we've bid £6m.
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If he played as well as he can (and I believe he would) then I don't think that this is overpriced at all. When he has played he has been really consistent.
I dont really mind paying 6m or whatever. Its up to the money men at the club to decide what a players worth. Gotta be better value than AJ for 10 anyway
Quote from: Brown@FFC on August 02, 2013, 01:25:43 PM
£6m is too much for a player that will not get to his peak play again. But, because of how quiet we've been in this window, any signing will do. If we end up signing Bent and Taarabt, I will be satisfied.
Who says he will "not get to his peak play again"?! You say it like it's a fact!
Fact is, he has scored wherever he's been and he's 29, not 32 - I really don't understand how you can so confidently write him off?
I have no words.
Quote from: Brown@FFC on August 02, 2013, 01:25:43 PM
£6m is too much for a player that will not get to his peak play again. But, because of how quiet we've been in this window, any signing will do. If we end up signing Bent and Taarabt, I will be satisfied.
lol if he was at his full peak he would cost us 24 million. im willing to bet he is better than a quarter of his best though
Bent scores when he plays, regardless of whether he got dropped, when he did play last season he scored. Cant really understand how people dont want him
Quote from: hazzaffc on August 02, 2013, 03:55:35 PM
Bent scores when he plays, regardless of whether he got dropped, when he did play last season he scored. Cant really understand how people dont want him
+1
One thing Bent is guaranteed to provide is goals. Proven in the Premier League, and cheap by modern standards at 5-6m
Forget Tarrabt, terrible attitude but we can't have him Berb and Ruiz in the same team, much rather Bent for six million still think he has things to prove especially with the World Cup next year and England struggling to find a striker!
Surely, a more important question than 'How much is Bent worth?' is 'How much will he improve us as a team?'
My impression of Bent, in keeping with some others who have posted, is that if he not scoring a goal, he might as well not be on the pitch; in every other aspect of the game, he's ineffective. Yet scoring goals is, of course, the critical feature that determines the outcome of a match and we netted too few times in the latter half of the season.
A year ago, when Jol talked to Fultime about the way that he wants us to play, he spoke of players who possess the skill and technique to interchange positions and allow us to adopt a more fluid, less rigid formation. Now, Darren Bent, this most definitely isn't.
While bringing in Bent is preferable to signing no one at all, his impact on the team will almost certainly be his goals and nothing else. It seems a shame that we can't find a goalscorer - albeit one whose record is not as prolific - who fits in with Jol's philosophy and will not only contribute to us being a better footballing side to watch, but can also help other players to score more.
Quote from: hazzaffc on August 02, 2013, 03:55:35 PM
Bent scores when he plays, regardless of whether he got dropped, when he did play last season he scored. Cant really understand how people dont want him
He'd improve the team and I'd take him but ideally someone who will offer more would be better. But if he will get 15 goals this season I'll soon warm to him.
Quote from: hazzaffc on August 02, 2013, 01:20:59 PM
Think id rather bent than osvaldo. Pl experience, cheaper, english, fast which is what we need, our team is fairly slow
Osvaldo is a superior player, far superior.
Got a lot of time for bent, I don't know how people can justify their dislike to him
He's 10x faster than anyone we currently have in our squad and i'm pretty sure if he got 30 games for us, he will score at least 10..
We need someone who will hang on the shoulder of the last defender and make a run, which we can all agree on is not one of Berbatov's best traits. Bent needs to be making the runs and Berbatov needs to be making the pass, thats what worked so well at United with Rooney and one of the reasons why Berba was never that prolific at United
If you have a fast player that can get in Behind it forces opposition back giving more creative players the Space to play. I think Having Darren bent would help our Away form a lot.
Villa want £6m but apparently our third bid falls slightly short of that mark, so we may have to wait a little longer to secure our man.
For me Bent for £6m is a good signing he will score goals for us
Quote from: Baider on August 02, 2013, 04:34:15 PM
Got a lot of time for bent, I don't know how people can justify their dislike to him
He's 10x faster than anyone we currently have in our squad and i'm pretty sure if he got 30 games for us, he will score at least 10..
We need someone who will hang on the shoulder of the last defender and make a run, which we can all agree on is not one of Berbatov's best traits. Bent needs to be making the runs and Berbatov needs to be making the pass, thats what worked so well at United with Rooney and one of the reasons why Berba was never that prolific at United
Not sure about that. Riether is as quick, Kaca, Frei, Mesca.
Now another bid has been turned down and many others have dropped out I am wondering if we are spending all our efforts on this for a player that is way past his best. I would love Fulham to tell Villa to stick it now and leave them with a player that doesn't want to play for them that they have priced out of the market.
I *love* this 'proven in the premier league' argument.
Michu anyone?
Torres anyone?
Rest my case.
Bent jus doesn't offer enough. Like AJ - on his day, when the team clicks. He scores goals. Otherwise he might as well be invisible.
He doesn't offer anything apart from goals, and - for my money - doesn't ffer enough goals for a £6m fee.
Quote from: simplyfulham on August 02, 2013, 09:17:47 PM
for my money - doesn't ffer enough goals for a £6m fee.
Up to this bit it was a reasonable argument.
BUT.
Not enough goals for £6m?
22
15
8
17
25
11
9
10
That's per season from 2005/6-2011/12, before he was frozen out of the team last year.
Not enough goals for £6m!?!
Quote from: BenjyUK on August 02, 2013, 09:20:28 PM
That's per season from 2005/6-2011/12, before he was frozen out of the team last year.
Not enough goals for £6m!?!
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I just wanted to do one (pedantic) thing. Let's just include his Premier league goals. I never think it's fair to include the goals score against Nowhereville Town or FC Neverheardovv in the cups.
I'm not entirely sure where you got those stats from, but I double checked his history from http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.career-history.html/darren-bent (http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.career-history.html/darren-bent)
05/06: 22
PL: 1806/07: 15
PL: 1307/08: 8
PL: 608/09: 17
PL: 1209/10: 25
PL: 2410/11: 11
PL: 1711/12: 9
PL: 9??/??: 10 PL: ?? I think we overlapped somewhere maybe?
It's still a more than reputable haul. But is past goals really an indication of future goals?
Of course if he's got 6/7 by Jan I'll be happy to eat my words!
Not in his peak, not a proven goalscorer... :doh:
He IS a goal machine and 29 is usually the peak in football players' careers.
Bent is a good striker left on bench last season and now for sale at an underrated price. Does all that remind you of someone?
dident zamora have his peak season at the age of 29 with us in the europa campaign?..i think bent will be a good addition but i cant see us spending £6million and putting bent on the bench he will have to start no doubt-so i will back him to score 10-15 goals
Quote from: Ordar on August 02, 2013, 03:58:28 PM
Quote from: hazzaffc on August 02, 2013, 03:55:35 PM
Bent scores when he plays, regardless of whether he got dropped, when he did play last season he scored. Cant really understand how people dont want him
+1
A steal for a man who will be on fire to prove a point.
One thing Bent is guaranteed to provide is goals. Proven in the Premier League, and cheap by modern standards at 5-6m
he might end up at rangers at this rate
One would hope Jol wants a player that will fit in with his plan to get more from the team and allows Ruiz and Berbatov to play most effectively. Therefore, if he is going for Bent, it is to improve the team and surely £6m is not over priced so why don't we just get the deal done and get him in. If we are just scrabbling around for anyone who may be available and trying to pay as little as possible, then forget it. I know we have to pay the proper price etc but £1m in this day and age is nothing.
I think we probably have more than one iron in the fire. Anyway, villa have said bent will never play for them again so really we're in a position of strength. We'll pay how much we think he's worth and if villa don't like it, let them pay him 65k a week for the next 2 yrs