WHY THE DELAY? It appears that everyone knows that we need a left back, creative midfielder and a fast proven predatory forward to support Berbatov and actually score 10 plus goals. Most supporters and also Martin Jol have known this for ages, well before the end of last season but our negotiators appear to be either blocking purchases or not being remotely proactive in obtaining players to cover these essential positions.
Why don't we act NOW, albeit very late, before the season starts, even if we have to pay slightly over the odds to sign the players we know we need to keep us in a safe mid table plus side with possibilities of further progress. If Darren Bent is Jol's preference, just pay the extra £1m and get him integrated quickly into our system - if not go actively to get an alternative striker.
Surely the powers that be can realise that the cost of not acting quickly to allow new players to integrate could result in relegation. This would be far more costly and could even result in a slide down the divisions like Northampton, Sheffield Utd and Wolves to name a few. Surely with a richer owner there are adequate funds to cover these urgent needs - if not, why on earth did he purchase the club?
There was a good start to the transfer window with Reither and some other promising signings but our deficiencies should be obvious to all. The press are almost making our first match with Sunderland a relegation 6 pointer with predictions of 15th to 18th in the league. Their forecasts are difficult to argue against with the proactive dealings by our near rivals have made but this could easily be corrected with the three quality signings that everyone knows are needed - and URGENTLY.
Having Berbatov, Ruiz and Taarabt is a luxury that we cannot afford at our level and Berbatov and Taarabt will be gone at the end of the season unless hopefully we have an option on Taarabt - does anyone know for certain? We therefore need to keep Ruiz and work out a system whereby he contributes the maximum to the team as he is a class player and part of our future but has not been utilised to his full potential. He will probably still be with us when the others have gone.
I have been a Fulham supporter since our 4-5 defeat against Newcastle in the FA Cup in 1954 and was a regular at the Cottage in the 1960's in the Haynes, Jezzard, Robson, Cohen, Langley, Leggat era and saw the 10-1 thrashing of Ipswich in 1963 and our Cup Final. Unfortunately for family reasons I cannot often go to matches nowadays and often rely on Sky but Fulham is in my blood and will always be.
Come on Fulham, show that you mean business and still hope to be a force in the game and secure these obvious players NOW that we all know we urgently need.
I do think that we desperately need a new midfielder and if we do not sign someone other than Taarabt on a permanent deal I will be very confused.
So basically you want ffc to panic buy for the sake of it rather than get the right players in?
Sorry but that would be stupid so have a bit of patience and let the club make the decisions on who they want to sign and what they want to pay for their targets afterall we really don't have a clue what is going on with transfers at fulham and we never do until the player is signed and sealed.
It's about the only thing that everyone seems to agree on! Come on 'management', get a move on and close some deals out....
We don't know whats going on behind the scenes - could be some big moves coming. We're generally very quiet until it's pretty much finalised. Even then, medicals take a couple of days on top of that. We're only 2 players short - 3 with one behind a squad/backup player.
I'd much rather it take a little bit longer than pay over the odds and panic buy. As well as not spending £8-12m on every player possible.
Quote from: JBH on August 12, 2013, 10:04:48 PM
So basically you want ffc to panic buy for the sake of it rather than get the right players in?
Sorry but that would be stupid so have a bit of patience snd let the club make the decisions on who they wang to sign and what they want to pay for their targets afterall we really don't have a clue what is going on with transfers at fulham and we never do until the player is signed and sealed.
I don't think anyone is suggesting panic buys but if we have identified someone, don't argue about £1m here or there which is peanuts in today's football world and just get the guy in. The rumours over Bent for example have been going on for about 3 months and what are the odds we sign him on 31st August??
I accept we don't know what goes on behind the scenes but lots of other clubs seem to be doing a lot of business whilst we wait on the sidelines for a better deal or something!
I have a one word answer to your question, no.
Kahn didn't buy this club to have a Championship side. I think promotion and relegation scares the crap out of American owners who aren't used to it. I suspect if more Americans buy clubs, there will be a push to end it and have playoffs and divisions like in MLS.
I totally agree with HH. The Board must back Jol & get the players we need. Khan has said he wants to take us to the next level so do it.The window has a couple of weeks to go but the season starts on Saturday. We should by now have a starting team but Jol has no idea who will be added. I really feel sorry for Jol.
How do you know there is no urgency, given the statements about what Jol thinks we need I would suspect that there is lots going on behind the scenes but have no way of knowing (nor should I).
Chill, wait and see - you may be disappointed but at least you won't have spent a couple of weeks worrying about it. Plenty of worrying time during the season.
Shad should sack AM and the others who are dragging their arses!!! I said this before about the board or micro managers. If they take this long trying to sign players imagine how long these fools take to choose their shirt to wear in the morning??
I think its best to reserve judgement until when the window is closed. It would be great to sign people early and get them in for preseason but if we are waiting for the right deals at the right price then so be it. If we haven't made the moves come September then we all have the right to be pretty livid. I agree though, my patience is running thin!
I don't mind waiting until the very last day of the window if it means that the club get the right player and the right deal. What do we miss? Three games. I know every match is important, but there are thirty-five more to reap the rewards.
We're not a big-spending club and we have to give the management the time to use their resources in a way which will benefit us most in the long term as opposed to next Saturday.
Having said that, if we're in exactly the same situation on 3rd September then we'll be justified in feeling extremely put out.
Quote from: JBH on August 12, 2013, 10:04:48 PM
So basically you want ffc to panic buy for the sake of it rather than get the right players in?
Sorry but that would be stupid so have a bit of patience snd let the club make the decisions on who they wang to sign and what they want to pay for their targets afterall we really don't have a clue what is going on with transfers at fulham and we never do until the player is signed and sealed.
Call a new poster "stupid" in his first contribution. Nice. Stay classy, Mr. Hairnet.
Welcome to the board HH!
Don't mind some of the natives. A couple of them are easily irritated and don't understand the rules of this board still......
I would be very surprised if shad coughed up any sort of money to allow us to get the players we wanted - I just don't see his interest in our club to be that genuine and I'm not sure he's willing to invest the type of money he is on the jaguars on us.. I think he thinks he's getting away with owning a premiership club with little responsibility of actually having to invest much because of the way we worked under al fayed... The reality though is fayed was a fulham supporter and a businessman... Shads is a businessman and not a fulham fan. His interest in us to succeed is purely for the jaguars interest, but we don't even know if his interest stems for long enough to care about even our short term future.
You're all thinking it... There's been very little genuine change or input from our owner - he's taking a lot of you for a ride if you think any differently.. I get the impression in your heart of hearts though it may be true.
I'm also wondering what happened to the dembele and Dempsey money...?
It's clear shads isn't managing the club well already and if anything I think there's a lack of communication at the top end of the club now al fayed has left and a lack of leadership - honest football men have been replaced by NFL stalwarts ***** focuse on the business.
I don't think shads realised how much of a direction and clarity of job spec etc al fayed gave the club and those in charge and it clearly shows with Jols erratic attitude to one day being extremely confident of the high quality of player that wants to join and then getting frustrated at the time it's taking to bring in these players he says want to play for us. He's obviously clear in who he wants and knows we're in talks with players who want to come so something above him is messing us around.. Welcome to our new ownership.
Shads clearly had little plan for the club before buying it.
Quote from: StuFFC on August 13, 2013, 01:17:08 AM
Shad should sack AM and the others who are dragging their arses!!! I said this before about the board or micro managers. If they take this long trying to sign players imagine how long these fools take to choose their shirt to wear in the morning??
What sack the same guys who under maf signed steklenberg, amorebieta, riether and boateng before most clubs had even signed anyone. Get a hold of yourself.. It's the ownership change that's put us in this situation.
Quote from: HatterDon on August 13, 2013, 03:06:26 AM
Quote from: JBH on August 12, 2013, 10:04:48 PM
So basically you want ffc to panic buy for the sake of it rather than get the right players in?
Sorry but that would be stupid so have a bit of patience snd let the club make the decisions on who they wang to sign and what they want to pay for their targets afterall we really don't have a clue what is going on with transfers at fulham and we never do until the player is signed and sealed.
Call a new poster "stupid" in his first contribution. Nice. Stay classy, Mr. Hairnet.
If you read the post properly Hatter it says "that would be stupid" not he is stupid
Well it would seem many of the people in the stands, many pundits, Jol himself and now the Captain, see Tuesday Fulham stuff, all agree there have been some iffey performances recently so surely a match ready midfielder or a goal hungry striker are about to be unveiled ........ any minute now .................................. ........................... now ................................................................ just a minute more ........................... ............. now ............ ................. ............. bugger
Welcome aboard HH. Good read.
Welcome HH. I believe when Jol said we will hear something next week he meant it. Trouble is that was a week and a half ago. That is what is worrying. I truly believe Fulham are still trying to do things on the cheap and that will damage us. There is a difference between silly spending and not spending on more than loans and 36 year olds.
It is too late to bring in players who will be fit for the new season unless we buy a player who is actually training and playing. But we know those are not the players we are being linked with. A great concern because of what happened this time last season.
I feel like we're waiting to pick up some cheaper deals towards the end of the window. I'm sure Villa won't want Bent on there wage bill this season.
My answer to the topic heading is hopefully not. But is there a way that us suffering relegation would be beneficial for Khan? There is only one reason that anyone is truly interested in buying the club and that is how much the ground is worth. Al Fayed wanted to move us to develop the ground into flats so why wouldn't Khan? This has been my biggest worry. But does relegation actually help with that? Probably not
As for the signings, players need to want to come to us. If Bent was on 80,000 a week at Villa and we offer him 40,000 a week why would he want to do that? He may as well wait to see if a better offer comes along and he has until the end of the month. I can understand why we wouldn't up the amount just for him. I think that is the problem. Also, i'm not sure if Jol and Bent got along that well before anyway. Wasn't Bent one of the players Spurs signed that Jol didn't want to sign? It might be taking a lot of persuading to get Bent to join. But the simple fact for us is that we need to get players in in those key positions asap otherwise we are in massive trouble. It's a tricky situation...
Welcome aboard Henry.
Perhaps the board feel that we will get a better price for Bent/Granero by moving for them on the last day? Villa have made it pretty obvious that he's not going to play for them so it is their interest to get him of the wages. If we put an early bid in then they will have more time to test out resolve. Where as a late bid would give them little choice to accept it or pay his wages and let him go for nothing when his contract runs out.
I'm merely an armchair/keyboard pundit like the rest of you but I think it would be naive to think that Mcintosh and the board are sat around watching you tube clips and on Facebook. This club has come a very long way and is clearly being run by professionals.
Quote from: beijing ben on August 13, 2013, 10:34:35 AM
My answer to the topic heading is hopefully not. But is there a way that us suffering relegation would be beneficial for Khan? There is only one reason that anyone is truly interested in buying the club and that is how much the ground is worth. Al Fayed wanted to move us to develop the ground into flats so why wouldn't Khan? This has been my biggest worry. But does relegation actually help with that? Probably not
Would getting Craven Cottage accredited with being a 'stadium of community importance', such as Old Trafford fans have accomplished with their local council, preserve the future of the ground? Surely being London's oldest professional club should carry some further significance for our national sport in our capital? Would such a 'listing' for want of a better would help the preservation of the ground or could it be used to hinder future expansion?
Quote from: General on August 13, 2013, 04:59:43 AM
I would be very surprised if shad coughed up any sort of money to allow us to get the players we wanted - I just don't see his interest in our club to be that genuine and I'm not sure he's willing to invest the type of money he is on the jaguars on us.. I think he thinks he's getting away with owning a premiership club with little responsibility of actually having to invest much because of the way we worked under al fayed... The reality though is fayed was a fulham supporter and a businessman... Shads is a businessman and not a fulham fan. His interest in us to succeed is purely for the jaguars interest, but we don't even know if his interest stems for long enough to care about even our short term future.
You're all thinking it... There's been very little genuine change or input from our owner - he's taking a lot of you for a ride if you think any differently.. I get the impression in your heart of hearts though it may be true.
I'm also wondering what happened to the dembele and Dempsey money...?
It's clear shads isn't managing the club well already and if anything I think there's a lack of communication at the top end of the club now al fayed has left and a lack of leadership - honest football men have been replaced by NFL stalwarts ***** focuse on the business.
I don't think shads realised how much of a direction and clarity of job spec etc al fayed gave the club and those in charge and it clearly shows with Jols erratic attitude to one day being extremely confident of the high quality of player that wants to join and then getting frustrated at the time it's taking to bring in these players he says want to play for us. He's obviously clear in who he wants and knows we're in talks with players who want to come so something above him is messing us around.. Welcome to our new ownership.
Shads clearly had little plan for the club before buying it.
Where's your evidence for all this Mr General?
From what I've seen, read heard since the ownership change, the only thing that has changed has been a few board members.....and that happens with any takeover. Aside from that what's been in the press about and around Fulham is par for the course. We always delay spending money til the last. Jol always speaks in riddles and often changes course. We continue to TALK about addressing needs. MAF always kept a very low profile in the transfer window (at least sine the mid 2000's) and so has......well, wait a minute. Shad did go on Cottage Talk and share his thoughts about the club and his desires for its future directly with the fans.
One thing's for sure. Having a failure of a pro football team in London does nothing for the image of the Jaguars. I'm not sure why he'd think relegation from the PL would benefit his team in the NFL.
I respect your opinions as I do the rest on this board, but this comes across as particularly paranoid.
Quote from: beijing ben on August 13, 2013, 10:34:35 AM
My answer to the topic heading is hopefully not. But is there a way that us suffering relegation would be beneficial for Khan? There is only one reason that anyone is truly interested in buying the club and that is how much the ground is worth. Al Fayed wanted to move us to develop the ground into flats so why wouldn't Khan? This has been my biggest worry. But does relegation actually help with that? Probably not
If Khan wanted to become a real estate magnate, it seems to me that there are a lot of more straightforward ways he could've gone about it than by buying a Premier League club thousands of miles away from all his other business interests. There's plenty of real estate here in the States. For Mo it made a lot more sense since he already had Harrods a stone's throw away.
The transfer market has a domino effect and we're not at the front.
Cool it !!
We are all impatient - myself included .
But this is NOT yet the end if the world .
But this is how the transfer windows work
Most activity is still to be done .
Much in the last week , last day even last hour !!
I wonder what other teams boards look like ?
Have you seen how many players Arsenal and Man Utd have signed ?
Let's all see where we are on Sept 2 .
Sadly though we will be 3 matches into the season .
I wish the window closed before the 1st game .
Quote from: Riverside on August 13, 2013, 07:37:30 PM
Cool it !!
We are all impatient - myself included .
But this is NOT yet the end if the world .
But this is how the transfer windows work
Most activity is still to be done .
Much in the last week , last day even last hour !!
I wonder what other teams boards look like ?
Have you seen how many players Arsenal and Man Utd have signed ?
Let's all see where we are on Sept 2 .
Sadly though we will be 3 matches into the season .
I wish the window closed before the 1st game .
To bet fair, ManU and Arsenal have multiple strikers capable of scoring, multiple LBs whom they could depend upon, and multiple CMs like what we need. We'll be fighting to stay above the relegation scrap as we sit. They'll still be fighting for the top four places.
It's not quite apples and apples is it?
I agree there's time, but we need as much of it as possible to get signings acclimated. Easier to finish in the top half if you're not conceding early matches because your signings aren't fit or aren't accustomed to their teammates or never materialized.
Every body is getting impatient! Yes! Especially when you see other clubs have already been spending!
Why can we not get deals done earlier?
You just know we will miss out exactly because its left so late!
SSN have said we are interested in...
Darren Bent.... Probably end up a Palace.
Enoh......Too expensive.
So the last one was Troy Deeney. Our best bet?
According to Sky obviously!
Did nobody check family trees? If you trace the name 'Khan' back far enough, it's an ancient Pakistani name meaning Trinder meets Marler.
FFS.
Quote from: jmh on August 13, 2013, 02:17:47 PM
Quote from: beijing ben on August 13, 2013, 10:34:35 AM
My answer to the topic heading is hopefully not. But is there a way that us suffering relegation would be beneficial for Khan? There is only one reason that anyone is truly interested in buying the club and that is how much the ground is worth. Al Fayed wanted to move us to develop the ground into flats so why wouldn't Khan? This has been my biggest worry. But does relegation actually help with that? Probably not
If Khan wanted to become a real estate magnate, it seems to me that there are a lot of more straightforward ways he could've gone about it than by buying a Premier League club thousands of miles away from all his other business interests. There's plenty of real estate here in the States. For Mo it made a lot more sense since he already had Harrods a stone's throw away.
Ok. i see what you are saying but with Al Fayed he basically made back most of the money he spent on the club in the sale to Khan. Are there areas in America that would make as much money from flats or whatever he would develop there? If there are then you are right that it would be strange to buy us for that reason