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Title: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: WhiteJC on August 26, 2013, 07:55:04 PM
before I managed to loose a hat full of threads  :dft001: I think we'd come to a conclusion about the latin motto?

basically most were in favour providing it was corrected, I believe someone, sorry can't remember who  :dft001: came up with the correct latin for "stand up if you still believe"

if you could add the correct motto here I'll amend the bit at the top of each page
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: horse1031 on August 26, 2013, 08:05:17 PM
I am sorry WhiteJC, i dont remember a lot about that thread.  Was there a reason why it is in latin?  I am sure that was asked so sorry for that.  Could it be in English on the right hand side?
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: sipwell on August 26, 2013, 08:18:32 PM
The "vos" had to be removed and I think the verb was "Demonstrate" (perfectus, plural).
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: WhiteJC on August 26, 2013, 08:23:08 PM
Quote from: horse1031 on August 26, 2013, 08:05:17 PM
I am sorry WhiteJC, i dont remember a lot about that thread.  Was there a reason why it is in latin?  I am sure that was asked so sorry for that.  Could it be in English on the right hand side?

it could be English however most "family motto's" are latin, the coat of arms on which one of the "old" badges was based, L.B. of Hammersmith & Fulham has a latin motto...


Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: Holders on August 26, 2013, 08:25:16 PM
I was strongly in favour - I think the pretentious humour is priceless, to put it in English would detract.

I agree with Sipwell about the "vos". Not sure if the verb for "stand up" has to be imperative or 3rd person plural but I bow to his greater knowledge.
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: SG on August 26, 2013, 10:39:28 PM
Personally I think it is all pretentious bull**** but maybe I am in a minority of one
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: Alan on August 26, 2013, 11:28:12 PM
Quote from: SG on August 26, 2013, 10:39:28 PM
Personally I think it is all pretentious bull**** but maybe I am in a minority of one

I thought the same at first. Then I grew to like it...
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: Lighthouse on August 26, 2013, 11:32:51 PM
Et tu Berbatov, on me head son.
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: hongkongfulham on August 27, 2013, 02:21:33 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 26, 2013, 11:32:51 PM
Et tu Berbatov, on me head son.

+1
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: sipwell on August 27, 2013, 06:44:36 AM
Quote from: Holders on August 26, 2013, 08:25:16 PM
I was strongly in favour - I think the pretentious humour is priceless, to put it in English would detract.

I agree with Sipwell about the "vos". Not sure if the verb for "stand up" has to be imperative or 3rd person plural but I bow to his greater knowledge.

The verb part was not mine. Forgot who said it though.
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: The Bronsons on August 27, 2013, 07:25:00 AM
The verb has to be imperative, but I don't know enough Latin to give you the right form.

On the whole though I'd prefer it in English.
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: Fernhurst on August 27, 2013, 09:05:21 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 26, 2013, 11:32:51 PM
Et tu Berbatov, on me head son.


Just spluttered my cornflakes Beamer!! You are certainly not getting any less funny with age........
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: Airfix on August 27, 2013, 10:28:12 AM
Keep the Latin.  Correct it if you feel that that is appropriate (and can find the correct translation - sorry, I am still stuck on canis in mensa stabat).

Why do people moan about a bit of harmless fun?
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: Holders on August 27, 2013, 11:11:43 AM
I didn't get beyond: nautae portant puellae ad insulam cum hastae et saggittae.
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: gezkc on August 27, 2013, 12:44:52 PM
I think it might have been me who came up with a couple of options:

One was "Demonstrate si adhuc credetis" (Show/demonstrate if you still believe)
or
"Surgite si adhuc credetis" (Stand up if you still believe).

Take your pick!  :54:

Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: Neil D on April 16, 2016, 10:24:24 AM
Quote from: gezkc on August 27, 2013, 12:44:52 PM
I think it might have been me who came up with a couple of options:

One was "Demonstrate si adhuc credetis" (Show/demonstrate if you still believe)
or
"Surgite si adhuc credetis" (Stand up if you still believe).

Take your pick!  :54:

The latter is almost grammatically correct.  Surgere (to stand up) needs to be in the second person plural imperative form: 'Surgite'.  The 'vos' while not wrong is redundant as it is clearly indicated by the second person plural form of 'credere'.  This, however, should be 'creditis' not 'credetis' which is the future tense of the verb.  'Surgite si adhuc creditis'.  I've no idea what the future participle 'surrecturus' is doing here.

I raise this now because:
Unus: the motto has been bothering me for some time.
Secundus: I like the the idea of the Latin motto but it needs to be right.
Tres:  It is a lot more interesting than discussing last night's woeful performance.
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: WhiteJC on April 16, 2016, 01:21:47 PM
Quote from: Neil D on April 16, 2016, 10:24:24 AM
Quote from: gezkc on August 27, 2013, 12:44:52 PM
I think it might have been me who came up with a couple of options:

One was "Demonstrate si adhuc credetis" (Show/demonstrate if you still believe)
or
"Surgite si adhuc credetis" (Stand up if you still believe).

Take your pick!  :54:

The latter is almost grammatically correct.  Surgere (to stand up) needs to be in the second person plural imperative form: 'Surgite'.  The 'vos' while not wrong is redundant as it is clearly indicated by the second person plural form of 'credere'.  This, however, should be 'creditis' not 'credetis' which is the future tense of the verb.  'Surgite si adhuc creditis'.  I've no idea what the future participle 'surrecturus' is doing here.

I raise this now because:
Unus: the motto has been bothering me for some time.
Secundus: I like the the idea of the Latin motto but it needs to be right.
Tres:  It is a lot more interesting than discussing last night's woeful performance.

thanks Neil, I've amended the quote
Title: Re: surrecturus si vos adhuc credetis
Post by: Neil D on April 16, 2016, 01:51:16 PM
Quote from: WhiteJC on April 16, 2016, 01:21:47 PM

thanks Neil, I've amended the quote
Excellent.  It brings a warm glow to my heart.