We are so poor at the back, until we stop letting in goals we have no chance of staying up. Would a 3-5-2 help us? The flat back 4 hasn't worked all season & Rene doesn't seem to want to play with wide players so surely this is the way??
Stekelenburg
Heitinga Hangeland Burn
Riether Richardson
Kvist Parker Tunnicliffe
Holtby Mitraglou
Maybe it's a silly idea of mine I just can't see how we are going to stop conceding goals unless we change formation
Thoughts??
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on February 03, 2014, 09:51:18 AM
We are so poor at the back, until we stop letting in goals we have no chance of staying up. Would a 3-5-2 help us? The flat back 4 hasn't worked all season & Rene doesn't seem to want to play with wide players so surely this is the way??
Stekelenburg
Heitinga Hangeland Burn
Riether Richardson
Kvist Parker Tunnicliffe
Holtby Mitraglou
Maybe it's a silly idea of mine I just can't see how we are going to stop conceding goals unless we change formation
Thoughts??
I actually agree, if our full backs are going to keep going so high leaving Burn and Hangeland exposed, we need a third defender, but I am not sure about Holtby as a second striker though,
It's a team game and we should be able to attack and defend as a unit, like Southampton.
Quote from: RaySmith on February 03, 2014, 10:09:01 AM
It's a team game and we should be able to attack and defend as a unit, like Southampton.
we should yes, but obviously we cant, :S
At this stage of the season, and in our situation - too radical! We need Deja back on the right with Reither defending as he should be. The goals against Southampton were clever...... counter attack to Fulham's right flank, with Reither up field, and Hangeland caught in a position he is not comfortable with (right CM). With the three experienced coaches we have - how did this happen? I really liked kvit and Holtby and, I have always liked Kasami and Kara for their commitment and desire to win. Play people where they are at their best, give the team shape and experience. The biggest problem in team selection is our left side, and the following formation does provide us with more solidity and experience.
Stek
Reither / Heitzinger / Hangeland / Amorebieta
Deja / Parker / Kvit (deep in front of the back four) / Richardson
Holtby
Mitroglou
When we have managed to stay up before, we had a team structure and our play and confidence was always improving.
Quote from: K33NY on February 03, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on February 03, 2014, 09:51:18 AM
We are so poor at the back, until we stop letting in goals we have no chance of staying up. Would a 3-5-2 help us? The flat back 4 hasn't worked all season & Rene doesn't seem to want to play with wide players so surely this is the way??
Stekelenburg
Heitinga Hangeland Burn
Riether Richardson
Kvist Parker Tunnicliffe
Holtby Mitraglou
Maybe it's a silly idea of mine I just can't see how we are going to stop conceding goals unless we change formation
Thoughts??
I actually agree, if our full backs are going to keep going so high leaving Burn and Hangeland exposed, we need a third defender, but I am not sure about Holtby as a second striker though,
It would be more of a 3-5-1-1 with Holtby playing off Mitraglou
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on February 03, 2014, 10:35:14 AM
Quote from: K33NY on February 03, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on February 03, 2014, 09:51:18 AM
We are so poor at the back, until we stop letting in goals we have no chance of staying up. Would a 3-5-2 help us? The flat back 4 hasn't worked all season & Rene doesn't seem to want to play with wide players so surely this is the way??
Stekelenburg
Heitinga Hangeland Burn
Riether Richardson
Kvist Parker Tunnicliffe
Holtby Mitraglou
Maybe it's a silly idea of mine I just can't see how we are going to stop conceding goals unless we change formation
Thoughts??
I actually agree, if our full backs are going to keep going so high leaving Burn and Hangeland exposed, we need a third defender, but I am not sure about Holtby as a second striker though,
It would be more of a 3-5-1-1 with Holtby playing off Mitraglou
It could actually suit us, solid defencem and with Holtby behind Mitroglou that could lead to some great goals!! Now call Renee on hes phone! cus I like this! :)
About a month ago I proposed a 343: http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=35414.0 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=35414.0)
I'll copy and paste to save the effort of going through the link:
I'm not talking 442, or 433 and not even 4411. I'm looking at a continental formation, one briefly used by Pep Guardiola's Barcelona side, and seen worked well by a certain Spaniard with a team famous for their pies. This formation was also used by Guus Hiddink as his South Korea side finished 4th in the 2002 FIFA World Cup.
I am of course talking about the 343.
The 343 provides defensive solidity, more aggressive passing channels and the ability to press high up the field penning the opponent into their half. The 343 requires energetic full backs and solid all round central midfielders, this is the bread and butter of the formation, if you have this, it can work.
The striker is typically a "big man," someone that can bring others into play and be the pivot of attack, the figurehead, we have that. The wingers need to be aggressive, with an eagerness to attack the full backs and press up the pitch.
When defending, the formation can become a 541, giving the opposition great difficulty in breaking down that sheer amount of players, but the shape of the 343 provides every player with more than one passing option, they can either go inside, outside or backwards, or in a central midfielders case, they have the option to play into the central striker.
If we were to ploy this system at Fulham:
Stekelenburg
Hangeland Hughes Amorebieta
Riether Sidwell Parker Riise/Richardson
Dejagah Berbatov Kacaniklic
Obviously, players have come and go since I proposed this. I'd change Hughes and Amorebieta for Heitinga and Burn, Kvist for Parker, Sidwell for Holtby and Mitroglou for Berbatov.
On Saturday we used Kvist as a defensive midfielder sitting in front of the back four and for the first half our defence looked better than it had done all season but they scored ,we pushed forward and again we were simply taken apart.
We have been trying different players and systems all season. Time to accept that our players are simply not skilful enough, strong enough andfast enough for the premiership and our coaching staff are all over the place tactically.
Time to accept relegation, hope for a cup run and build for a promotion challenge next season.