Can't we just stop getting so unlucky. My God!
It's not luck when you give up this many deflected goals. Have to stop the shot, gave Coutinho all day and too much space right at the top of the box. Bad things happen when you do that over and over.
Quote from: Fullofham on February 12, 2014, 09:57:11 PM
It's not luck when you give up this many deflected goals. Have to stop the shot, gave Coutinho all day and too much space right at the top of the box. Bad things happen when you do that over and over.
Agreed. Its one thing to say we have bad luck, but we need to stop playing so effing deep and just lumping the ball to touch. It soon comes back. Hence all the shots against us.
when players have space to shoot and we have 5 men on the edge o the area there is always chance of a deflection. It is not luck.
So frustrating to watch us back off and wait for a shot nearly every time in that second half
Apparently, it's all to do with bringing the full backs infield to help deal with crosses and make it too congested for talented payers to pass and run into a packed defence. The wide midfield players (Tuna and Richardson) are supposed to assume the full back roles and defend the wings. My problem is that the introduction of Tuna seems to have turned Riether from one of the best right-backs in the league into one of the worst.
Having said that, the performance of the team as a whole was excellent in the last two games - light years ahead of the lack of team effort we saw in those awful days of Bryanjolotov.
Nogood "so sad that it's probably too late, isit" Boyo
Quote from: mccscratch on February 12, 2014, 09:30:16 PM
Can't we just stop getting so unlucky. My God!
Don't think we can really complain about bad luck when our first goal came from the Keystone Cops school of own goals, courtesy of a prize Premier League clown.
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on February 12, 2014, 10:37:47 PM
Apparently, it's all to do with bringing the full backs infield to help deal with crosses and make it too congested for talented payers to pass and run into a packed defence. The wide midfield players (Tuna and Richardson) are supposed to assume the full back roles and defend the wings. My problem is that the introduction of Tuna seems to have turned Riether from one of the best right-backs in the league into one of the worst.
Having said that, the performance of the team as a whole was excellent in the last two games - light years ahead of the lack of team effort we saw in those awful days of Bryanjolotov.
Nogood "so sad that it's probably too late, isit" Boyo
The team have performed well in the last 2 games, but I do not believe Reither has been anywhere near last seasons form. Tunic life has helped shore up that side for me, yes Reither isn't getting forward but nor has risse as much as he used too. Sadly tonight his head strong moment (I'm being nice) cost us.
Re deflected goals they happen but we must be into double figures on those now this season. Agree with most posters if u stand off that is always a chance of happening
Reither is being asked to defend which is not his best attribute. His previous attacking play has always masked his defensive frailty
The penalty was one of those things. Sturbridge was going nowhere & he was clumsy when he did not need to make a challenge
Quote from: JDH101 on February 12, 2014, 09:58:18 PM
Quote from: Fullofham on February 12, 2014, 09:57:11 PM
It's not luck when you give up this many deflected goals. Have to stop the shot, gave Coutinho all day and too much space right at the top of the box. Bad things happen when you do that over and over.
Agreed. Its one thing to say we have bad luck, but we need to stop playing so effing deep and just lumping the ball to touch. It soon comes back. Hence all the shots against us.
:plus one:
You can't continue to let your opposition fire shots with space from the top of the box. The keeper can't play angles as well so there is more net to shoot at. With so much net for the keeper to cover on each side, deflections will eventually end up as corners or worse yet in the net.
Has been a problem for the team all season. Only wish Fulham could get half the shots from the top of the box that their opposition get.
well, we could stop giving up deflected goals if we'd just stop trying to block shots.
Honestly, hasn't anyone on here actually played defense?
Quote from: FFC73 on February 12, 2014, 11:01:06 PM
Reither is being asked to defend which is not his best attribute. His previous attacking play has always masked his defensive frailty
The penalty was one of those things. Sturbridge was going nowhere & he was clumsy when he did not need to make a challenge
Too bad club doesn't have another premier ready right back. Might be fun to watch Riether play the same role on the right that Richardson is playing on the left last 2 games.
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on February 12, 2014, 10:37:47 PM
Apparently, it's all to do with bringing the full backs infield to help deal with crosses and make it too congested for talented payers to pass and run into a packed defence. The wide midfield players (Tuna and Richardson) are supposed to assume the full back roles and defend the wings. My problem is that the introduction of Tuna seems to have turned Riether from one of the best right-backs in the league into one of the worst.
Having said that, the performance of the team as a whole was excellent in the last two games - light years ahead of the lack of team effort we saw in those awful days of Bryanjolotov.
Nogood "so sad that it's probably too late, isit" Boyo
Haha. Bryanjolotov. Sums that era up in one word. Love it.
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on February 12, 2014, 10:37:47 PM
Apparently, it's all to do with bringing the full backs infield to help deal with crosses and make it too congested for talented payers to pass and run into a packed defence. The wide midfield players (Tuna and Richardson) are supposed to assume the full back roles and defend the wings. My problem is that the introduction of Tuna seems to have turned Riether from one of the best right-backs in the league into one of the worst.
Having said that, the performance of the team as a whole was excellent in the last two games - light years ahead of the lack of team effort we saw in those awful days of Bryanjolotov.
Nogood "so sad that it's probably too late, isit" Boyo
:plus one: i have to agree hopefully reither adjusts but he does not seem to get on with being pushed more infield.
However he is a good player and is one of if not the first name on the teamsheet for me.
Would he play better this way with dejagah seen as they have a great understanding?
@ The Nutflush.
Maybe we could sum up that lamentable era in two words. BryanJolatov Cocktail!
Nogood "it blew us to smithyruins it did, isit" Boyo
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on February 13, 2014, 11:49:32 PM
@ The Nutflush.
Maybe we could sum up that lamentable era in two words. BryanJolatov Cocktail!
Nogood "it blew us to smithyruins it did, isit" Boyo
Yes exactly
I recall a stat a couple of weeks ago that we allowed more shots on goal than any team in the Premiership - so we cannot be too surprised some result in deflections towards goal.
One reason why I never criticise our players if they take a shot - I would like to see more of them in fact.
Also we had some 'luck' the other night when Toure's deflection resulted in our first goal!
I am a millionaire footballer who is dashing out to block a shot. So I turn my back, stick my arms in and my bum out. At school with big heavy leather balls, we often played with an old ball. But I never turned my back on the blimmin thing. We need to close players down and stop fearing our big millionaire leather balls will be hurt if we just stand up to the shot.
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 14, 2014, 02:55:00 PM
I am a millionaire footballer who is dashing out to block a shot. So I turn my back, stick my arms in and my bum out. At school with big heavy leather balls, we often played with an old ball. But I never turned my back on the blimmin thing. We need to close players down and stop fearing our big millionaire leather balls will be hurt if we just stand up to the shot.
I agree with you here Mr L, to often they turn their backs as though the bag of wind will kill them. It hurts for a second then you carry on. I remember heading those old leather balls when they were soaking wet, boy were they heavy ad could almost knock you senseless.
Nothing to do with bad luck or good. We still have work to do defending. We give way too much space, in general, outside the 18.
I honestly can't fault much in this regard where the last two matches are concernd. We invited their attacks and shooting, so that we could catch them on the counter. It worked well, but at some point you just have to credit those two teams for their attacking quality and take your lumps.
Having said that, we offer far too much respect in and around our own 18 to teams that don't have the qualities of top four teams. This is what we must clean up defensively.
It is not bad luck
The basic skills of a defender:
1. When under pressure never cross the ball in front of your own goal
2. If you go for a ball in your own area make sure you 'kill' it.
3 Never obstruct you keeper
We have been found guilty on all counts