Think we need to go with pace against Brentford think the false 9 is the way to go like Sheffield United away.
For me
Button
Fredericks Kalas Odoi Sessegnon
McDonald
Cairney Norwood
Ojo Graham
Kebano
Subs - Bettinelli , Ream , Edun , Johansen , De La Torre , Kamara , Fonte
Some may not agree but I believe it's time we gave Jordan Graham a chance. Kebano is a good finisher would like to see him in the false 9 position. Think we have a good chance of beating them with the pace & movement of that front 3
Quote from: JackHFFC1990 on November 30, 2017, 08:29:17 AM
Think we need to go with pace against Brentford think the false 9 is the way to go like Sheffield United away.
For me
Button
Fredericks Kalas Odoi Sessegnon
McDonald
Cairney Norwood
Ojo Graham
Kebano
Subs - Bettinelli , Ream , Edun , Johansen , De La Torre , Kamara , Fonte
Some may not agree but I believe it's time we gave Jordan Graham a chance. Kebano is a good finisher would like to see him in the false 9 position. Think we have a good chance of beating them with the pace & movement of that front 3
Reports from the training ground are that Graham's issue is that he just isnt up to the job. Would be a huge gamble to throw him in now we are on a run. Also if |Ream is fit then Sess needs to push forward with Odoi at LB.
Maybe not the time to risk an unproven player , for us anyway.
Good to go with Sess advanced on the left wing, with Ojo on the other as against Sheff Untd, I think.
But is Ream still out?
Ayite out presumably, so who in the middle? Kamara? Since Fonte didn't seem to work that well. Not sure about Kebano there, though he can score.
Kebano will play similar to Ayite I think the false 9 works away from home for sure. Graham in would be a risk but i would like to see him given a chance
I would certainly not start an untried player when we have started a run of results, especially if there are any doubts about him (and given that Joka has declined to use him so far, there must be). After his performance against Milwall I would bench Button and start with Betts, I personally think he shades it anyway.
Would try to find a way to push Sess forward, it not only gives us more attacking threat and better balance, it is his preferred position (see the I/V on FFC tv). If Ream is fit it's a no brainer.
The false 9 idea seems to be worth another try but only if Joka thinks Kebano could handle it. On that basis I would leave Fonte and AK on the bench.
In midfield McD and TC pick themselves so would it be Johansen or Norwood for the third slot? For me an on song Johansen offers a bit more than Norwood but on current form I would go with the latter.
I agree with Sessegnon being LM but just think Graham an interesting option. Would happily see Sess Kebano Ojo the front 3 but I'm not sure on Odoi LB. Solid but I prefer a left footer for balance & crosses from that side. Hopefully Soares finally ready to play a part in our season
Quote from: JackHFFC1990 on November 30, 2017, 09:50:15 AM
I agree with Sessegnon being LM but just think Graham an interesting option. Would happily see Sess Kebano Ojo the front 3 but I'm not sure on Odoi LB. Solid but I prefer a left footer for balance & crosses from that side. Hopefully Soares finally ready to play a part in our season
Ther is no need to throw an untested player from the start. Id see him on the bench and get 20 if we are ahead but other than that i could easily see him being subbed off at half-time. He hasnt performed in training and I think his loan will be terminated in Jan. He simply isnt good enough. We need to put out the best 11 and that does not include Jordan Graham...
Have no fears about Graham, he has shown in last two U21 games to be a class act, and can score
——————————-button—————————
Fredricks————-kalas———-ream————odoi
————————-——mcdonald———————-
———-———-cairney———-—-johansen———-
Ojo———-———-———-———-———-——-sess
———-———-———-kamara———-———-
Subs: bettineli, djalo, cisse, kebano, de latorre, norwood, fonte
Button
Fedrick Kalas Ream Odoi
McDonald Johanson
OJO Cainey Sessegon
Fonte
Button
Fredericks - Kalas - Ream - Odoi
Cairney - McDonald - Norwood
Ojo - Kamara - Sessegnon
Bench: Bettinelli, Djalo, Edun, Johansen, de la Torre, Kebano, Fonte
Quote from: Jimmy Hill on November 30, 2017, 01:13:18 PM
Button
Fedrick Kalas Ream Odoi
McDonald Johanson
OJO Cainey Sessegon
Fonte
This for me, and based on who we are playing and the pitch, if Ream isn't fit then I would play Madl.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on November 30, 2017, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: JackHFFC1990 on November 30, 2017, 09:50:15 AM
I agree with Sessegnon being LM but just think Graham an interesting option. Would happily see Sess Kebano Ojo the front 3 but I'm not sure on Odoi LB. Solid but I prefer a left footer for balance & crosses from that side. Hopefully Soares finally ready to play a part in our season
There is no need to throw an untested player from the start. Id see him on the bench and get 20 if we are ahead but other than that i could easily see him being subbed off at half-time. He hasnt performed in training and I think his loan will be terminated in Jan. He simply isnt good enough. We need to put out the best 11 and that does not include Jordan Graham...
Agree and same apples to Soares. Odoi is a far safer bet at LB IMO.
Quote from: Statto on November 30, 2017, 12:56:30 PM
Button
Fredericks - Kalas - Ream - Odoi
McDonald
Norwood
Cairney
Ojo - Kebano - Sessegnon
Apart from Fonte (tin hat on) in for Kebano I'd be happy with that to start.
Any permutation of the above as long as Fonte doesn't start - he will be even more MIA in an away match at Brentford with them seething from QPR game
Button
Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi
Kmac
Cairney StefJo (if fit, or Norwood)
Ojo AK Sess
AK starting purely because I think Brentford play similar to us with quite a high line so those 3 up top can exploit the space in behind with their pace. Wouldn't be upset if Kebano started though. Don't dislike Fonte but can't even remember the last time he even came close to scoring so maybe give him a break.
Caveat: really like Odoi but not overly fond of right footers playing at LB (usually narrows play) so hopefully Soares comes through and proves us wrong (here's to hoping at least!) - doubtful for Saturday though.
Would like to see Graham off the bench (not seen him live yet and played well in PL2 recently / scored twice last night in the cup so sounds like he;s pushing hard). Would also like to see Tayo and / or DLT get some minutes for their progression.
Graham, Soares allegedly not up to it and never seen. Mollo seen fleetingly. Fonte & Kamara struggling to be to the required standard. How do these players get signed - don't answer that :hook:
Button
Fredericks Kalas Odoi Soares
McDonald Norwood
Ojo Cairney Sessegnon
Kamara
Button
Fredericks - Kalas - Ream - Odoi
Cairney - McDonald - Norwood
Ojo - Fonte - Sessegnon
Quote from: Brightster#2 on November 30, 2017, 12:26:42 PM
——————————-button—————————
Fredricks————-kalas———-ream————odoi
————————-——mcdonald———————-
———-———-cairney———-—-johansen———-
Ojo———-———-———-———-———-——-sess
———-———-———-kamara———-———-
Subs: bettineli, djalo, cisse, kebano, de latorre, norwood, fonte
Yes, that looks the best team to me , at least until half time when it may be necessary to alter the front three if they are not making things happen.
Quote from: filham on November 30, 2017, 10:00:32 PM
Quote from: Brightster#2 on November 30, 2017, 12:26:42 PM
——————————-button—————————
Fredricks————-kalas———-ream————odoi
————————-——mcdonald———————-
———-———-cairney———-—-johansen———-
Ojo———-———-———-———-———-——-sess
———-———-———-kamara———-———-
Subs: bettineli, djalo, cisse, kebano, de latorre, norwood, fonte
Yes, that looks the best team to me , at least until half time when it may be necessary to alter the front three if they are not making things happen.
Yes, after careful consideration and aforethought, I would probably like to see that lineup start.
Can't see us dropping Norwood for Johansen, however at the same time I can't think of a healthy Johansen on the bench. Tough call overall for Slav. Brentford's got some nimble midfielders, so they need to be knocked off the ball a bit through some physicality in McDonald. Also tough call is between Fonte and AK47. I want to see Fonte because he's still got a lot to prove, but part of me believes it's AK's turn to start. I'm fine with either. The only outside chance of them both being on the pitch would be if Odoi was taken out and Sess dropped back, then Fonte takes LW with AK in CF role. I'd be curious how this plays out since we have not done this before. It would be interesting if Fonte can show to take on players like Ojo has done, cutting into his right foot like Ojo does with his left.
Regardless, here's my team vs Brentford:
Button
Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi
McDonald
Cairney Norwood
Ojo Sess
Fonte
It's not the line up I would pick but I think Joka will go with
Button
Fredericks Kalas Ream Sessegnon
McDonald
Cairney Norwood
Ojo Fonte Kebano
Subs - Bettinelli , Djalo , Odoi , Edun , Johansen , De La Torre , Kamara
Quote from: Statto on December 01, 2017, 07:39:18 AM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 01, 2017, 04:22:10 AM
Can't see us dropping Norwood for Johansen, however at the same time I can't think of a healthy Johansen on the bench. Tough call overall for Slav... Also tough call is between Fonte and AK47.
Looking at everyone's proposed line-ups these seem to be the only two positions where views diverge. As noted above, for me I'd rather try Kebano, who has demonstrated far greater guile and goalscoring ability than either of our two "strikers" thus far.
Agree with that and I would start Betts ahead of Button. I know Button's short distribution is based on Slav's instructions but even in those circumstances the keeper has to occasionally realise there is no short pass out and kick it a bit longer. He has to have the balls to say to Slav; I'm following your instructions but not when there is simply no option other than the suicidal. I want to see how Betts would deal with those situations.
Quote from: JackHFFC1990 on December 01, 2017, 09:05:33 AM
It's not the line up I would pick but I think Joka will go with
Button
Fredericks Kalas Ream Sessegnon
McDonald
Cairney Norwood
Ojo Fonte Kebano
Subs - Bettinelli , Djalo , Odoi , Edun , Johansen , De La Torre , Kamara
I would be surprised to see Odoi dropped given how well he has been playing recently. If Ream is back then I think Odoi will be at left back with Sess further up the field.
Quote from: EastEndWhite on December 01, 2017, 11:40:23 AM
Quote from: JackHFFC1990 on December 01, 2017, 09:05:33 AM
It's not the line up I would pick but I think Joka will go with
Button
Fredericks Kalas Ream Sessegnon
McDonald
Cairney Norwood
Ojo Fonte Kebano
Subs - Bettinelli , Djalo , Odoi , Edun , Johansen , De La Torre , Kamara
I would be surprised to see Odoi dropped given how well he has been playing recently. If Ream is back then I think Odoi will be at left back with Sess further up the field.
Absolutely, could not agree more it's a no brainer.
It would be almost criminal for Dennis to be left out after the good form he is showing, and for him it would feel like a kick below the belt if he was dropped.
Interesting odds on offer for tomorrow, evens on the Bees & 12/5 on Fulham. I'd have thought another 1-1 was more likely?
If I was a betting man, then a draw would be the favourite. But with Fulham any one of 3 results is possible as their inconsistency is so consistent.
Rather like Paper, Rock, Scissors.
Surely tomorrow Jocanovic must try something different in attack. Forget the Shefield game and we are this season struggling to score goals. Fonte has played in some fourteen games with but one goal to his credit, Sess. hit three playing in attack against Sheffield.
Come on Jocanovic the facts are starring you in the face.
Any tickets still going
If Fonte had just come from our Academy and recently made his debut earlier this season as a fresh young Teanager, and was playing like he is now, with same impact.
His supporters, his admirers, the people who make excuses for Fonte, would be saying this young academy kid is far too inexperienced and young and it's far too early, and he is not ready or is never going to be good enough, and should not be exposed to the physical demands of the English Championship.
But because he is a 9m player from overseas, they are so understanding and philosophical and full of excuses for him and full of sympathy.
Matt Smith has a better record than Fonte for hitting the back of the net. But that of course is conveniently overlooked.
So what I am suggesting is, that I do not feel that Fonte deserves to start in the lineup, especially as we do have other alternatives.
If we did not, then ok, but we do.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 01, 2017, 11:01:23 PM
If Fonte had just come from our Academy and recently made his debut earlier this season as a fresh young Teanager, and was playing like he is now, with same impact.
His supporters, his admirers, the people who make excuses for Fonte, would be saying this young academy kid is far too inexperienced and young and it's far too early, and he is not ready or is never going to be good enough, and should not be exposed to the physical demands of the English Championship.
But because he is a 9m player from overseas, they are so understanding and philosophical and full of excuses for him and full of sympathy.
Matt Smith has a better record than Fonte for hitting the back of the net. But that of course is conveniently overlooked.
So what I am suggesting is, that I do not feel that Fonte deserves to start in the lineup, especially as we do have other alternatives.
If we did not, then ok, but we do.
It's the same old story. Fonte supporters and Fonte not-so-much supporters. Who cares at this point. I personally hope he stops being a team player and goes and bags a couple goals just so he can receive some credibility to the fans, because he's only measured by the amount of goals he scores at this point.
Fonte has had his chance and has failed in the scoring department, and had more chances than Cauley Woodrow ever had. But if Fonte plays and bags a couple, then the landscape changes.
But my concern is that we are not scoring from anywhere else unless Sess plays further forward.
At this stage, I would play Kebano or Kamara ahead of Fonte if they are not playing with him.
My other concern is that, will we keep, and can we keep a clean sheet again for the second week running.
Because if we can, then we only need to score one goal to win the game, which appears par for the course. Unless Sess is moved further up, and then anything can happen, and Sess can do far more damage further up, whether it's scoring or creating.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 02, 2017, 03:35:11 AM
Fonte has had his chance and has failed in the scoring department, and had more chances than Cauley Woodrow ever had. But if Fonte plays and bags a couple, then the landscape changes.
But my concern is that we are not scoring from anywhere else unless Sess plays further forward.
At this stage, I would play Kebano or Kamara ahead of Fonte if they are not playing with him.
My other concern is that, will we keep, and can we keep a clean sheet again for the second week running.
Because if we can, then we only need to score one goal to win the game, which appears par for the course. Unless Sess is moved further up, and then anything can happen, and Sess can do far more damage further up, whether it's scoring or creating.
Yeah, good point. I do think Sess up front is the way it should be going forward - just can't validate his defending vs. goal scoring...when we need goals.
Quote from: Statto on December 02, 2017, 02:16:55 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 02:45:19 AM
It's the same old story. Fonte supporters and Fonte not-so-much supporters.
Looks like the manager is in the "not so much" camp based on today's line up
Thank goodness that never tells the whole story. By that logic he's not in the "any of the subs" camp either, so no, don't think that's it. Eitherway, let's hope if AK or Fonte get called in they do some positive damage.