And I thought that I would pass it on to you, it could be feasible or it could be a load of cobblers, but f.w.i.w here it is,
There are problems within the squad, with the squad split in two camps,
Firstly you have the former Championship players who are all pi**ed off for two reasons, firstly because the new signings are all on more money than them, and secondly because they feel that the new comers don't share the same passion and desire for the club as they do,
The new signings don't feel welcome , they haven't bonded and don't feel part of the squad,
Jokanovic has apparently sided with the former Championship players, even though he realises that they are not good enough he does at least appreciate that they are trying,
This might explain a couple of things, firstly, why we have hardly seen Mawson and Anguissa, and secondly why Tim Ream said what he said during the week,
Whether it's Fulham or Maidenhead United , it's up to the manager to mould the squad in to a tight knit unit with everybody pulling in the same direction, that's clearly not happening with us,
The question is, how do we address the issue ?
It's been noticeable that after each international break when most of them have had two weeks together we've come back looking worse than we did before the break,
I've personally already written off the 2018/2019 season, were down no question about it , the sooner that the club and supporters accept and start preparing for next season the better,
I have massive concerns for the 2019/2020 season the better, unless we are very, very, very careful we are at great risk of doing a Sunderland and going straight through the Championship, we've only got 2 decent players, Sess and Mitro and as sure as night follows day they won't be here next season, what are we left with then ?
We're already miles behind Cardiff City for next season, they are only two decent strikers away from having a very good Championship side,
If the club and the fans accept their fate nice and early it means that you can turn a negative in to a positive, here's how, it gives you the opportunity to drip feed the future of Fulham in to the side , players like Steven Sessegnon, Marlon Fossey, Matt O'Riley and Lucas de la Torre should all hopefully be given a chance in the second half of the season,
Jokanovic frustrates the life out of me, but I just don't see the point of sacking him (Just yet) , what's the point, our defence and midfield are abysmal and it doesn't matter who is in charge they couldn't make a decent team out of the players available,
Scary as hell to consider what lies ahead next summer and yet another massive rebuild ahead this time with the very real threat of F.F.P hanging over us,
Strap yourselves in, it's a car crash of a season ahead and we haven't even hit the wall yet 😣⚫⚪⚫
I heard silmiiar story - also Khan went ballistic after the game and there was a massive row with SJ and certain players - when SJ went into the after match conference he was still shaking with rage
Riversider your post makes a whole load of sense to me.
I don't think anyone at the club - players or fans , manager or owners should accept relegation at this point, or any point, of the season.
I'm certainly not going to. Fans, especially st holders, would be entitled to sue the club if they thought this was the case.
What you are arguing is the same as some were arguing the season we went down - give the youngsters a chance, going down will give us the chance to rebuild with our youngsters as a base. Magath did this, and look what happened.
It's always better if you can stay up.
These rumours of divisions between the players you cite - well, this kind of thing happens I suppose when you have so many new comers. That's one reason clubs have wage policies.
Slavisa obviously should only play players committed to the club, make them into a team - get necessary reinforcements in Jan.
To be frank, this is pretty obvious.
More importantly, most of the successful promoted clubs (CP, B, B&H, WW) have basically maintained cohesive squads. We came up late and had lots of loanees.
Partly we are a victim of circumstance BUT also we need to get our ACT together quickly, else the Championship heroes will be returning to that league.
Cheers, COYWs
Well put riversider , I honestly thought we had a good chance of turning things round yesterday, alas not.
Quote from: Riversider on October 28, 2018, 05:02:37 PM
And I thought that I would pass it on to you, it could be feasible or it could be a load of cobblers, but f.w.i.w here it is,
There are problems within the squad, with the squad split in two camps,
Firstly you have the former Championship players who are all pi**ed off for two reasons, firstly because the new signings are all on more money than them, and secondly because they feel that the new comers don't share the same passion and desire for the club as they do,
The new signings don't feel welcome , they haven't bonded and don't feel part of the squad,
Jokanovic has apparently sided with the former Championship players, even though he realises that they are not good enough he does at least appreciate that they are trying,
This might explain a couple of things, firstly, why we have hardly seen Mawson and Anguissa, and secondly why Tim Ream said what he said during the week,
Whether it's Fulham or Maidenhead United , it's up to the manager to mould the squad in to a tight knit unit with everybody pulling in the same direction, that's clearly not happening with us,
The question is, how do we address the issue ?
It's been noticeable that after each international break when most of them have had two weeks together we've come back looking worse than we did before the break,
I've personally already written off the 2018/2019 season, were down no question about it , the sooner that the club and supporters accept and start preparing for next season the better,
I have massive concerns for the 2019/2020 season the better, unless we are very, very, very careful we are at great risk of doing a Sunderland and going straight through the Championship, we've only got 2 decent players, Sess and Mitro and as sure as night follows day they won't be here next season, what are we left with then ?
We're already miles behind Cardiff City for next season, they are only two decent strikers away from having a very good Championship side,
If the club and the fans accept their fate nice and early it means that you can turn a negative in to a positive, here's how, it gives you the opportunity to drip feed the future of Fulham in to the side , players like Steven Sessegnon, Marlon Fossey, Matt O'Riley and Lucas de la Torre should all hopefully be given a chance in the second half of the season,
Jokanovic frustrates the life out of me, but I just don't see the point of sacking him (Just yet) , what's the point, our defence and midfield are abysmal and it doesn't matter who is in charge they couldn't make a decent team out of the players available,
Scary as hell to consider what lies ahead next summer and yet another massive rebuild ahead this time with the very real threat of F.F.P hanging over us,
Strap yourselves in, it's a car crash of a season ahead and we haven't even hit the wall yet 😣⚫⚪⚫
riverersider , similar to what I've heard on the It and on the pitch it's been noticable,with the lack of fight.
I have also written this season off and who knows what fallout we get from the mess the clubs in I watched TCs interview post match and it felt it was just words.nothing worse than watching players in the shirt who have no work ethic or pride in it!!
If any of this is true and I have no idea either way. Then we really can't afford to keep the coach any longer. IF true his failure to manage the team and knit the team into a group all fighting for the same things and not hunkering down into little cliques is causing a huge amount of problems that seem to be growing as the season goes on.
This somehow needs to be addressed by getting everyone staff ,players and the Khan's need to listen, understand,then lay it out that no matter the rights and wrong remind coaches and players if everybody puts issues aside for the good of the club give the coaches till Xmas to get an improvement or tell them there out.
The Khan's spent the dosh they have to instigate and take control and make the decisions.
Its true, heard it from someone who would know today. He's torn between being loyal to his championship players. Problem is the prem has moved on, loved Betts, KMac, Ream etc but really pains me to say they're not premier league quality.
The pace & athleticism most sides possess make our back four & midfielder's look ponderous.
Think he needs to give Mawson & Anguissa an extended run
I am really shocked and dismayed that people have written them off and accepting relegation, we are not even half way yet, we could win the next couple of games who knows, there is no way whatsoever I will accept relegation until mathematically impossible to stop it.
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on October 28, 2018, 06:23:50 PM
Its true, heard it from someone who would know today. He's torn between being loyal to his championship players. Problem is the prem has moved on, loved Betts, KMac, Ream etc but really pains me to say they're not premier league quality.
The pace & athleticism most sides possess make our back four & midfielder's look ponderous.
Think he needs to give Mawson & Anguissa an extended run
This is crazy if true. There is no room for sentimentality in football/business. If he fails to make the right decisions soon he will be gone. How he can fail to play Mawson who played an entire Premier League season and was on the verge of England selection but continue with Odoi who displays time and again that he is not up to standard I don't know. Ream may make the step up played alongside Mawson but at the moment he is also found wanting. The defensive midfielder needs to be just that, sitting in front of the back four. Anguissa can do that, that is where he played for Marseille all last season. I loved KMac last season but he is struggling and caught for pace frequently. I'd be inclined to play both him and Anguissa and allow the full backs to attack. We were lost without that attacking option yesterday
Jok needs to get a grip fast or he will be toast
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 28, 2018, 06:01:49 PM
If any of this is true and I have no idea either way. Then we really can't afford to keep the coach any longer. IF true his failure to manage the team and knit the team into a group all fighting for the same things and not hunkering down into little cliques is causing a huge amount of problems that seem to be growing as the season goes on.
I agree
Maybe Slav is not big enough to manage these types of players now we are in the prem.
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on October 28, 2018, 06:23:50 PM
Its true, heard it from someone who would know today. He's torn between being loyal to his championship players. Problem is the prem has moved on, loved Betts, KMac, Ream etc but really pains me to say they're not premier league quality.
The pace & athleticism most sides possess make our back four & midfielder's look ponderous.
Think he needs to give Mawson & Anguissa an extended run
slav has to pick his best 16 players even if likes of Steve sess and O'Riley included and ask the 16 if they are committed to working together and fighting for the shirt 100 minutes every game and if slav can't do it get someone in that can!
Yes it is more than likely this is the case, which can explain the lack of urgency amongst the players.
But Jok is not the only one instrumental in this issue getting as far as it has.
The recruitment department, the dreaded stats team and their doom ed box ticking, not forgetting the Khans, and all and sundry who failed to contribute in making sure that Jok and his team/squad were more than prepared for the new season.
Call it incompetence, negligence, inexperience, unqualified, or inefficiency or all five.
The club collectively should take a lot of responsibility, which goes further back than last summer preseason.
But inevitably the blame has fallen into Joks lap, because it's a Results Business, and Jok has to try and resolve what now is a very difficult issue, and it appears to have gone past the point of no return.
But the club are also responsible, and Jok has handled the job poorly.
But sacking him will not solve their situation until they change their policies.
Under the circumstances it is the sort of story that almost generates itself with no real truth behind it, so I am not sure it is to be believed.
If it is true ten Jocanovic has failed in his duty to knit a team together and should be sacked immediately.
Sounds totally feasible. That transfer window was a total disaster... we shouldn't have gone near the likes of Seri and Anguissa. An utter waste of 45 million.
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 28, 2018, 07:46:18 PM
Sounds totally feasible. That transfer window was a total disaster... we shouldn't have gone near the likes of Seri and Anguissa. An utter waste of 45 million.
The issue seems to be yet again Slav not happy with the transfers...Anguissa in yet not Targett? one late left back and one late right back for 6 mill and a loan, priorities out of line...
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 28, 2018, 07:46:18 PM
Sounds totally feasible. That transfer window was a total disaster... we shouldn't have gone near the likes of Seri and Anguissa. An utter waste of 45 million.
You cannot honestly believe what you have just posted!
Seri and anguissa waste of money you have to allow players to adapt to new players around them adjust to Pace of league.
Quote from: DevonFFC on October 28, 2018, 07:08:23 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 28, 2018, 06:01:49 PM
If any of this is true and I have no idea either way. Then we really can't afford to keep the coach any longer. IF true his failure to manage the team and knit the team into a group all fighting for the same things and not hunkering down into little cliques is causing a huge amount of problems that seem to be growing as the season goes on.
I agree
Maybe Slav is not big enough to manage these types of players now we are in the prem.
I have not been convinced that we should sack Jokanovic, but if the team is not bonding then that is his role. I have not heard of a better reason for him to go.
Quote from: One James stannard on October 28, 2018, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 28, 2018, 07:46:18 PM
Sounds totally feasible. That transfer window was a total disaster... we shouldn't have gone near the likes of Seri and Anguissa. An utter waste of 45 million.
You cannot honestly believe what you have just posted!
Am 100% certain that both Seri and Anguissa will be proven disastrous signings... Seri doesn't try, cannot tackle and has an abysmal attitude. We needed to sign fighters used to English football... Seri is totally the wrong sort of player for us in this situation
I just got a text off a pal in Newmarket whose son works at the Express,saying Schurlle took a right hander off someone in the dressing room,put him on his arse...If this is correct,what in the name of auntie Betty is going on.
If true which I am slightly sceptical, this is cause for concern, but I have seen arguments in amateur football in dressing rooms when the red mist appears.
But only once did I have cause to seperate a couple of team mates wanting to punch each other's lights out. It's mostly handbags or swapping insults.
To floor a team mate in that way, sounds as though it really has got out of hand.
Quote from: Statto on October 28, 2018, 08:56:20 PM
Shock horror, there is a divide between last season's squad and the new, foreign, higher paid and (on paper) better players?!?
What sensational inside rumour is coming next - Graham Norton is secretly gay?
Sorry but of course there will be tension between these two groups. Not sure why it is so shocking or a reason "we really can't afford to keep the coach"
Nothing to see here as far as I'm concerned... Except the bit about Schurrle being put on his arse perhaps... But he's at the NFL smiling today without a mark on him so I find that very hard to believe sorry
You don't necessary get marked when put on your arse.
I was Stablelads boxing champ twice in my younger days,put a few on their arse by giving them one in the bread basket.
I refuse to write the season off this early. If there is fighting in the dressing room with Khan at the match, plus the way we played and recent results I'm not surprised he was mad.
Khan angry is good as it means he know there is a problem and will realise it needs sorted sooner than later.
There are managers and coaches out there that can deal with this problem, there are ones that can turn a pigs ear of a team into a silk purse, there are ones that can get a team organised to avoid relegation. Khan needs to find one of those and employ him sooner rather than later.
Our season is not written off at this moment, it is not too late too save it
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Good to start planning ahead to find those players that will get us prompted from League One now then?
We should focus on these players next transfer window?
I am guessing the Khan's will do everything they can to stay up, and better this is coming out now vs. after 36 games.
Regardless, thank you for posting this info, true or false, but reasonably feasable/believable.
None of those signings were bad at the time we signed them in fact most of us if not all were very excited about them, unfortunately it just hasn't worked, but there is nothing to say it won't come good
"STILL BELIEVE "
You people need to get A grip. No squad of 30 pros are all going to get on perfectly well. There will be cliques as well as competition for places. Sorry to say but this is the same at all clubs. Competition is fierce and the manager wants it to be because he wants the aggression to carry on in the game on Saturday. Money can be a part of it but if you don't pay it you don't get the player. I cannot understand why you would sack the coach because of it
Quote from: Riversider on October 28, 2018, 05:02:37 PM
And I thought that I would pass it on to you, it could be feasible or it could be a load of cobblers, but f.w.i.w here it is,
There are problems within the squad, with the squad split in two camps,
Firstly you have the former Championship players who are all pi**ed off for two reasons, firstly because the new signings are all on more money than them, and secondly because they feel that the new comers don't share the same passion and desire for the club as they do,
The new signings don't feel welcome , they haven't bonded and don't feel part of the squad,
Jokanovic has apparently sided with the former Championship players, even though he realises that they are not good enough he does at least appreciate that they are trying,
This might explain a couple of things, firstly, why we have hardly seen Mawson and Anguissa, and secondly why Tim Ream said what he said during the week,
Whether it's Fulham or Maidenhead United , it's up to the manager to mould the squad in to a tight knit unit with everybody pulling in the same direction, that's clearly not happening with us,
The question is, how do we address the issue ?
It's been noticeable that after each international break when most of them have had two weeks together we've come back looking worse than we did before the break,
I've personally already written off the 2018/2019 season, were down no question about it , the sooner that the club and supporters accept and start preparing for next season the better,
I have massive concerns for the 2019/2020 season the better, unless we are very, very, very careful we are at great risk of doing a Sunderland and going straight through the Championship, we've only got 2 decent players, Sess and Mitro and as sure as night follows day they won't be here next season, what are we left with then ?
We're already miles behind Cardiff City for next season, they are only two decent strikers away from having a very good Championship side,
If the club and the fans accept their fate nice and early it means that you can turn a negative in to a positive, here's how, it gives you the opportunity to drip feed the future of Fulham in to the side , players like Steven Sessegnon, Marlon Fossey, Matt O'Riley and Lucas de la Torre should all hopefully be given a chance in the second half of the season,
Jokanovic frustrates the life out of me, but I just don't see the point of sacking him (Just yet) , what's the point, our defence and midfield are abysmal and it doesn't matter who is in charge they couldn't make a decent team out of the players available,
Scary as hell to consider what lies ahead next summer and yet another massive rebuild ahead this time with the very real threat of F.F.P hanging over us,
Strap yourselves in, it's a car crash of a season ahead and we haven't even hit the wall yet 😣⚫⚪⚫
Don't agree that no one could make an immediate improvement.
How do you know if it hasn't happened yet?
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on October 28, 2018, 08:47:17 PM
I just got a text off a pal in Newmarket whose son works at the Express,saying Schurlle took a right hander off someone in the dressing room,put him on his arse...If this is correct,what in the name of auntie Betty is going on.
Just watched Fulham fan tv and what looks like Andre shurrlè walking away after the game wrapped up so much so you can only see his eyes, it was cold yesterday but not that bloody cold. Hiding a bruise perhaps?
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on October 28, 2018, 09:02:13 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 28, 2018, 08:56:20 PM
Shock horror, there is a divide between last season's squad and the new, foreign, higher paid and (on paper) better players?!?
What sensational inside rumour is coming next - Graham Norton is secretly gay?
Sorry but of course there will be tension between these two groups. Not sure why it is so shocking or a reason "we really can't afford to keep the coach"
Nothing to see here as far as I'm concerned... Except the bit about Schurrle being put on his arse perhaps... But he's at the NFL smiling today without a mark on him so I find that very hard to believe sorry
You don't necessary get marked when put on your arse.
I was Stablelads boxing champ twice in my younger days,put a few on their arse by giving them one in the bread basket.
Were you wearing hooves at the time, and a nose bag mince.
Quote from: Andy S on October 28, 2018, 09:30:19 PM
You people need to get A grip. No squad of 30 pros are all going to get on perfectly well. There will be cliques as well as competition for places. Sorry to say but this is the same at all clubs. Competition is fierce and the manager wants it to be because he wants the aggression to carry on in the game on Saturday. Money can be a part of it but if you don't pay it you don't get the player. I cannot understand why you would sack the coach because of it
You sack a coach if the team is being changed every week, don't seem to know or are unwilling to work with each other. You don't need players to be friends but you don't want them to be actively working against each other with the coach having no idea how to control the situation on and off the field. Now again I don't know what is true or accurate but I do know that we are becoming worse with every passing game. Meaning that we are not on top of any situation.
Quote from: One James stannard on October 28, 2018, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 28, 2018, 07:46:18 PM
Sounds totally feasible. That transfer window was a total disaster... we shouldn't have gone near the likes of Seri and Anguissa. An utter waste of 45 million.
You cannot honestly believe what you have just posted!
I do. Anguissa is a massive bust and Seri is a lightweight. He's talented but hes just too small.
Seri looked amazing first few games
Something has changed
Makes little sense writing off the season 10 games in. We can't afford to go down, make no mistake about it. We'll be asset stripped player wise.
Quote from: Baszab on October 28, 2018, 11:23:49 PM
Seri looked amazing first few games
Something has changed
It's because he's having to play in a midfield two. He's suited to a three.
Quote from: the nutflush on October 28, 2018, 11:16:45 PM
Quote from: One James stannard on October 28, 2018, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 28, 2018, 07:46:18 PM
Sounds totally feasible. That transfer window was a total disaster... we shouldn't have gone near the likes of Seri and Anguissa. An utter waste of 45 million.
You cannot honestly believe what you have just posted!
I do. Anguissa is a massive bust and Seri is a lightweight. He's talented but hes just too small.
Kante is small. Seri just needs to want it more, he was winning lots of tackles first few games but he's lost that desire.
Quote from: the nutflush on October 28, 2018, 11:16:45 PM
Quote from: One James stannard on October 28, 2018, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 28, 2018, 07:46:18 PM
Sounds totally feasible. That transfer window was a total disaster... we shouldn't have gone near the likes of Seri and Anguissa. An utter waste of 45 million.
You cannot honestly believe what you have just posted!
I do. Anguissa is a massive bust and Seri is a lightweight. He's talented but hes just too small.
Seri far to small...........don't get me started on kante.....ridiculously small.........omg that messi fella........definetly to small to play football!
I seem to remember Paul Peschisolido being clattered and rolling off tackles in the more physical challenge of playing for us. So size as they say isn't a good enough excuse.
Size or lack of it is no excuse for playing without passion, desire or hunger.
No matter your size you can still punch your weight, and a lot of players you see in other clubs punch above their weight.
How many Fulham players are doing that.
It's not how tall you are, it's how high you jump.
We buy too many players, we don't buy enough, we don't spend enough, we spend too much, too many foreign players, not enough home based.
Always going to have issues in a squad that changes. The Parker clique when he was last here, the McCormack drinking group, happens all the time.
Jokanovic doesn't do the hiring and firing. He doesn't do player contracts. Even the Khans, as unfamiliar as they may be with English sport, would/should have known that any real imbalance in wages will alway cause problems unless it can be seen by all to be absolutely justifiable. It is equally common sense that the Khans explain that to the whole squad when it was first assembled after the window closed, or at the very least at the first signs of unrest. Perhaps it also explains why Jokanovic is not so keen to pursue his own renewed contract. It is a mess that has nothing to do with football, everything to do with human nature, running a united enterprise, and FFC didn't see it coming? I very much hope someone saw it coming and I very much hope that someone was a Khan.
Quote from: MJG on October 29, 2018, 08:03:19 AM
We buy too many players, we don't buy enough, we don't spend enough, we spend too much, too many foreign players, not enough home based.
Always going to have issues in a squad that changes. The Parker clique when he was last here, the McCormack drinking group, happens all the time.
+1, if we hadn't improved the squad, and been in this situation, then people would've moaned about lack of investment.
Quote from: Andy S on October 28, 2018, 09:30:19 PM
No squad of 30 pros are all going to get on perfectly well. There will be cliques as well as competition for places. Sorry to say but this is the same at all clubs. Competition is fierce and the manager wants it to be because he wants the aggression to carry on in the game on Saturday. Money can be a part of it but if you don't pay it you don't get the player.
I agree. The players are professionals and are aware of the situation. If someone is unhappy with their paycheck, they can have contract negotiations etc. Your partners salary shouldnt be your issue to worry about.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 28, 2018, 10:41:52 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on October 28, 2018, 09:02:13 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 28, 2018, 08:56:20 PM
Shock horror, there is a divide between last season's squad and the new, foreign, higher paid and (on paper) better players?!?
What sensational inside rumour is coming next - Graham Norton is secretly gay?
Sorry but of course there will be tension between these two groups. Not sure why it is so shocking or a reason "we really can't afford to keep the coach"
Nothing to see here as far as I'm concerned... Except the bit about Schurrle being put on his arse perhaps... But he's at the NFL smiling today without a mark on him so I find that very hard to believe sorry
You don't necessary get marked when put on your arse.
I was Stablelads boxing champ twice in my younger days,put a few on their arse by giving them one in the bread basket.
Were you wearing hooves at the time, and a nose bag mince.
I had a horseshoe in each glove.🐎
Was Ream the perpetrator of the dressing room scuffle?🎃
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on October 29, 2018, 09:54:29 AM
Was Ream the perpetrator of the dressing room scuffle?🎃
I think it was Gladys
Quote from: the nutflush on October 28, 2018, 11:16:45 PM
Quote from: One James stannard on October 28, 2018, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 28, 2018, 07:46:18 PM
Sounds totally feasible. That transfer window was a total disaster... we shouldn't have gone near the likes of Seri and Anguissa. An utter waste of 45 million.
You cannot honestly believe what you have just posted!
I do. Anguissa is a massive bust and Seri is a lightweight. He's talented but hes just too small.
Really too small, Kante, Messi, the new chap at Arsenal don't know his name, his about 5,2, and numerous other players, don't think too small is the issue.
The same doom and gloom merchants who are already saying we are relegated are probably the same experts who were writing off last season in November and Calling for Slav's head.
Quote from: Gezza on October 29, 2018, 01:44:52 PM
The same doom and gloom merchants who are already saying we are relegated are probably the same experts who were writing off last season in November and Calling for Slav's head.
I understand your sentiments as there are a portion of our support that are quick to condemn the team/management at the slightest opportunity, but the issue we have is bigger than this.
I'm normally firmly in the Optimist camp, and would be one of the last ones calling for the managers head, this time feels different though.
It's not so much the defeats that are bothering me, it is the way in which they are occuring. We have conceded more goals than any other team in the leaguge and are on course to break the record for goals conceeded at this stage of the season.
There appears to be no efforts being made to improve our defence or tactically adapt to the league.
Even in the matches where we have picked up points (Burnley/Brighton/Watford), we have looked very vulnerable and not won at all comfortably.
I think that I speak for most Fulham Fans when I say that we have a lot of respect for Jokanovic. His unbeaten run was incredible and the play off victories were inspired. These were great achivements, but sadly football does not allow it's heroes to rest on their laurels.
There is no evidence that Jok is capable of turning this situation around, so unless we put in a performance against Citeh and pick up points at Huddersfield, I cannot see him being here much longer.
the reason the new players get more money is because they have more talent. however if they do not pull their finger out and perform then they are n't worth a penny. the championship team must have realised this was a problem for them and some of them look well out of their depth. the manager and management should have forseen this and managed it better.
Quote from: alfie on October 29, 2018, 12:59:40 PM
Quote from: the nutflush on October 28, 2018, 11:16:45 PM
Quote from: One James stannard on October 28, 2018, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 28, 2018, 07:46:18 PM
Sounds totally feasible. That transfer window was a total disaster... we shouldn't have gone near the likes of Seri and Anguissa. An utter waste of 45 million.
You cannot honestly believe what you have just posted!
I do. Anguissa is a massive bust and Seri is a lightweight. He's talented but hes just too small.
Really too small, Kante, Messi, the new chap at Arsenal don't know his name, his about 5,2, and numerous other players, don't think too small is the issue.
I've seen Seri get pushed off the ball far too easily in the last month. I can see the talent he has but for me the jury is still out on him. As for Anguissa I have not seen anything remotely justifying his price tag.
What has concerned me the most this season, is this, I went to see QPR v Villa on Friday night, and what I liked about QPR was how good they were when they didn't have the ball, to a man the outfield players were all like Jack Russell's every time Villa were in possession, they didn't give Villa a second the entire match, at no time during the 90 minutes did they let up,
Individually (on paper) they are poor but as a collective they are a decent side,
So if QPR can do it why can't we ?
I can't ever remember a Fulham team as poor as this one out of possession, we don't have the energy, we don't have the desire and we don't have the passion to get the ball back,
We are an unbelievably slow side and we appear to lack fitness and energy,
I'm old enough to remember players like Ray Houghton and Ray Lewington and more recently Steve Sidwell , it was their mission to get the ball back, where are those players now ?
At some point in the next two transfer windows we need to bring in 2 or 3 "Jack Russell" type players to address the slide, in the meantime Jokanovic can at least try to motivate this slow, lazy,demotivated group of players,
And one last thing, Andre Schurrle, pound for pound the worst player I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt, £6.3 million a season on a 2 year contract, £12.6 million in wages for what he does is abhorrent, please, please tell me that Fulham can break the contract in the event of relegation, if we can't then we are right royally fu**ed next season, Simon Davies was at the game on Saturday, I bet he earnt a fraction of that money and yet Schurrle isn't fit to lace his boots.
Quote from: Baszab on October 28, 2018, 05:06:08 PM
I heard silmiiar story - also Khan went ballistic after the game and there was a massive row with SJ and certain players - when SJ went into the after match conference he was still shaking with rage
Khan went ballistic at SJ or there was a row between SJ and certain players?
Quote from: Riversider on October 30, 2018, 10:27:48 AM
What has concerned me the most this season, is this, I went to see QPR v Villa on Friday night, and what I liked about QPR was how good they were when they didn't have the ball, to a man the outfield players were all like Jack Russell's every time Villa were in possession, they didn't give Villa a second the entire match, at no time during the 90 minutes did they let up,
Individually (on paper) they are poor but as a collective they are a decent side,
So if QPR can do it why can't we ?
I can't ever remember a Fulham team as poor as this one out of possession, we don't have the energy, we don't have the desire and we don't have the passion to get the ball back,
We are an unbelievably slow side and we appear to lack fitness and energy,
I'm old enough to remember players like Ray Houghton and Ray Lewington and more recently Steve Sidwell , it was their mission to get the ball back, where are those players now ?
At some point in the next two transfer windows we need to bring in 2 or 3 "Jack Russell" type players to address the slide, in the meantime Jokanovic can at least try to motivate this slow, lazy,demotivated group of players,
And one last thing, Andre Schurrle, pound for pound the worst player I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt, £6.3 million a season on a 2 year contract, £12.6 million in wages for what he does is abhorrent, please, please tell me that Fulham can break the contract in the event of relegation, if we can't then we are right royally fu**ed next season, Simon Davies was at the game on Saturday, I bet he earnt a fraction of that money and yet Schurrle isn't fit to lace his boots.
I agree with everything you say. First schurrle is dreadful and seems to be picked no matter what.. he will score a few but is certainly causing more problems berba like, as I have said before.
second and more to the point, out of possesion we are clueless. watching bournemouth slip into a proper formation when defending, keeping shape and doing simple things correctly was impressive, our team looked worse than a sunday morning side. Hard to know who is really at fault but certainly so many last minute signings was not likely to work, especially as the key positions have not been dealt with namely full backs of a proper experienced quality, central midfielder that has a physical prescence, and proper partner/understudy for mitro.
Losing the defensive coach was clearly an indication something is wrong and Parker seemed very odd and not a good thing in my opinion.
Rico only had to make 1 save in the first half. Yet, our defense is horrible?
I think our mindset is flawed. We are looking at "0-3" loss, and saying "Yup, we have a terrible defense."
If Schurrle scores, it's 1-1 at halftime. We also had two headers by Kamara and Odoi of corners that were wide, not to mention Kamara's early header that looped just on top of the netting.
It's like we forgot what the first 60 minutes of the match showed us. A capable formation, that may just need some personnel changes. Kamara out of the RW spot and Vietto in. Then the CM spot alongside Seri would be Cairney when needing to score goals, and McDonald/Anguissa when needing to defend a lead.
The problem is the perception is skewed. I'd love for someone to bring up the stats of how many goals we have conceded after changing our formation and tactics mid-match. I understand chasing the game, and goals, but we looked much better staying in the base 4-2-3-1 than going to the 3-4-3. While great for possession's sake, it was a risk to have such a high line, and we were easily exposed on counters. The premier league players do not waste counters, and Bournemouth were on point with this. I thought we would have learned this by now.
What's funny is that there were several times in the base formation that we actually got spread out far enough in the attack to dominate possession regardless. Why Slav needed to change all this is most likely because it is the brave thing to do. However, I wish we would stick to what we started with, and only change personnel. I've said it before that it's the complicated nature in switching formation + tactics which is doing us in. Sure, they are professionals and should know how to adjust to what I'm sure is practiced, but unfortunately the team just is not gelling enough to get 1 formation down, let alone 2 + new tactics.
That first 60 minutes we played had a lot more good than bad. I hope we stick to it and just modify personnel in logical positions.
Quote from: Matt10 on October 30, 2018, 01:20:01 PM
Rico only had to make 1 save in the first half. Yet, our defense is horrible?
I think our mindset is flawed. We are looking at "0-3" loss, and saying "Yup, we have a terrible defense."
If Schurrle scores, it's 1-1 at halftime. We also had two headers by Kamara and Odoi of corners that were wide, not to mention Kamara's early header that looped just on top of the netting.
It's like we forgot what the first 60 minutes of the match showed us. A capable formation, that may just need some personnel changes. Kamara out of the RW spot and Vietto in. Then the CM spot alongside Seri would be Cairney when needing to score goals, and McDonald/Anguissa when needing to defend a lead.
The problem is the perception is skewed. I'd love for someone to bring up the stats of how many goals we have conceded after changing our formation and tactics mid-match. I understand chasing the game, and goals, but we looked much better staying in the base 4-2-3-1 than going to the 3-4-3. While great for possession's sake, it was a risk to have such a high line, and we were easily exposed on counters. The premier league players do not waste counters, and Bournemouth were on point with this. I thought we would have learned this by now.
What's funny is that there were several times in the base formation that we actually got spread out far enough in the attack to dominate possession regardless. Why Slav needed to change all this is most likely because it is the brave thing to do. However, I wish we would stick to what we started with, and only change personnel. I've said it before that it's the complicated nature in switching formation + tactics which is doing us in. Sure, they are professionals and should know how to adjust to what I'm sure is practiced, but unfortunately the team just is not gelling enough to get 1 formation down, let alone 2 + new tactics.
That first 60 minutes we played had a lot more good than bad. I hope we stick to it and just modify personnel in logical positions.
Thank You!
Quote from: Jimpav on October 29, 2018, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: Gezza on October 29, 2018, 01:44:52 PM
The same doom and gloom merchants who are already saying we are relegated are probably the same experts who were writing off last season in November and Calling for Slav's head.
I understand your sentiments as there are a portion of our support that are quick to condemn the team/management at the slightest opportunity, but the issue we have is bigger than this.
I'm normally firmly in the Optimist camp, and would be one of the last ones calling for the managers head, this time feels different though.
It's not so much the defeats that are bothering me, it is the way in which they are occuring. We have conceded more goals than any other team in the leaguge and are on course to break the record for goals conceeded at this stage of the season.
There appears to be no efforts being made to improve our defence or tactically adapt to the league.
Even in the matches where we have picked up points (Burnley/Brighton/Watford), we have looked very vulnerable and not won at all comfortably.
I think that I speak for most Fulham Fans when I say that we have a lot of respect for Jokanovic. His unbeaten run was incredible and the play off victories were inspired. These were great achivements, but sadly football does not allow it's heroes to rest on their laurels.
There is no evidence that Jok is capable of turning this situation around, so unless we put in a performance against Citeh and pick up points at Huddersfield, I cannot see him being here much longer.
The comment that "no effort is being made to turn things around" is, I believe, completely mistaken. The formation and the tactics at the start of the Bournemouth game were noticeably different as we made sure we got everyone behind the ball when we lost it, ceding space to Bournemouth. We tried to move the ball faster from defence without committing ourselves to the attack in the numbers that we do normally. And initially we seemed more secure, and one very silly challenge (plus clever forward play from Wilson who certainly made the most of the contact) undid the whole plan. When Cearney came on I began to believe we would find a way of unlocking what seemed to be an impenetrable defence (MotD highlighted how good Bournemouth were at getting back into their 5-4-1 formation) and Bournemouth were not causing us much trouble, partly perhaps because they were defending a lead and we had to take the game to them. Then another ridiculous goal conceded .. and a man sent off .... game over.
So I believe conscious decisions were taken for us to be more conservative in our approach, but you cannot cope with disastrous pieces of defending that hand the oppo goals and games.
Quote from: nose on October 30, 2018, 12:48:55 PM
Quote from: Riversider on October 30, 2018, 10:27:48 AM
What has concerned me the most this season, is this, I went to see QPR v Villa on Friday night, and what I liked about QPR was how good they were when they didn't have the ball, to a man the outfield players were all like Jack Russell's every time Villa were in possession, they didn't give Villa a second the entire match, at no time during the 90 minutes did they let up,
Individually (on paper) they are poor but as a collective they are a decent side,
So if QPR can do it why can't we ?
I can't ever remember a Fulham team as poor as this one out of possession, we don't have the energy, we don't have the desire and we don't have the passion to get the ball back,
We are an unbelievably slow side and we appear to lack fitness and energy,
I'm old enough to remember players like Ray Houghton and Ray Lewington and more recently Steve Sidwell , it was their mission to get the ball back, where are those players now ?
At some point in the next two transfer windows we need to bring in 2 or 3 "Jack Russell" type players to address the slide, in the meantime Jokanovic can at least try to motivate this slow, lazy,demotivated group of players,
And one last thing, Andre Schurrle, pound for pound the worst player I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt, £6.3 million a season on a 2 year contract, £12.6 million in wages for what he does is abhorrent, please, please tell me that Fulham can break the contract in the event of relegation, if we can't then we are right royally fu**ed next season, Simon Davies was at the game on Saturday, I bet he earnt a fraction of that money and yet Schurrle isn't fit to lace his boots.
I agree with everything you say. First schurrle is dreadful and seems to be picked no matter what.. he will score a few but is certainly causing more problems berba like, as I have said before.
second and more to the point, out of possesion we are clueless. watching bournemouth slip into a proper formation when defending, keeping shape and doing simple things correctly was impressive, our team looked worse than a sunday morning side. Hard to know who is really at fault but certainly so many last minute signings was not likely to work, especially as the key positions have not been dealt with namely full backs of a proper experienced quality, central midfielder that has a physical prescence, and proper partner/understudy for mitro.
Losing the defensive coach was clearly an indication something is wrong and Parker seemed very odd and not a good thing in my opinion.
Schurrle is the worst player you've both ever seen in a Fulham shirt? Mods the trolls have escaped from the dungeon
Shurrle the worst player how long have you watched fulham? 5 minutes?
Put your glasses on love and look up what "Pound for Pound" means,
Jim Hicks was worse but he cost nothing and was paid virtually nothing ,
Schurrle is on £17,260 a DAY !
An abhorrent amount of money for a very slow and very average player,
But you carry on defending him if he floats your boat.
Quote from: Riversider on October 30, 2018, 03:39:15 PM
Put your glasses on love and look up what "Pound for Pound" means,
Jim Hicks was worse but he cost nothing and was paid virtually nothing ,
Schurrle is on £17,260 a DAY !
An abhorrent amount of money for a very slow and very average player,
But you carry on defending him if he floats your boat.
Which we will do so if we so wish to, opinions, opinions and more opinions, we all have them.
Quote from: Deeping_white on October 30, 2018, 02:59:37 PM
Quote from: nose on October 30, 2018, 12:48:55 PM
Quote from: Riversider on October 30, 2018, 10:27:48 AM
What has concerned me the most this season, is this, I went to see QPR v Villa on Friday night, and what I liked about QPR was how good they were when they didn't have the ball, to a man the outfield players were all like Jack Russell's every time Villa were in possession, they didn't give Villa a second the entire match, at no time during the 90 minutes did they let up,
Individually (on paper) they are poor but as a collective they are a decent side,
So if QPR can do it why can't we ?
I can't ever remember a Fulham team as poor as this one out of possession, we don't have the energy, we don't have the desire and we don't have the passion to get the ball back,
We are an unbelievably slow side and we appear to lack fitness and energy,
I'm old enough to remember players like Ray Houghton and Ray Lewington and more recently Steve Sidwell , it was their mission to get the ball back, where are those players now ?
At some point in the next two transfer windows we need to bring in 2 or 3 "Jack Russell" type players to address the slide, in the meantime Jokanovic can at least try to motivate this slow, lazy,demotivated group of players,
And one last thing, Andre Schurrle, pound for pound the worst player I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt, £6.3 million a season on a 2 year contract, £12.6 million in wages for what he does is abhorrent, please, please tell me that Fulham can break the contract in the event of relegation, if we can't then we are right royally fu**ed next season, Simon Davies was at the game on Saturday, I bet he earnt a fraction of that money and yet Schurrle isn't fit to lace his boots.
I agree with everything you say. First schurrle is dreadful and seems to be picked no matter what.. he will score a few but is certainly causing more problems berba like, as I have said before.
second and more to the point, out of possesion we are clueless. watching bournemouth slip into a proper formation when defending, keeping shape and doing simple things correctly was impressive, our team looked worse than a sunday morning side. Hard to know who is really at fault but certainly so many last minute signings was not likely to work, especially as the key positions have not been dealt with namely full backs of a proper experienced quality, central midfielder that has a physical prescence, and proper partner/understudy for mitro.
Losing the defensive coach was clearly an indication something is wrong and Parker seemed very odd and not a good thing in my opinion.
Schurrle is the worst player you've both ever seen in a Fulham shirt? Mods the trolls have escaped from the dungeon
He day say pound for pound and as I am sure you know that is idiomatic for not worth the money. of course we have had vastly worse players, we can all name at least three teams worth of our 'favourites.' Schurrle is clearly very talented BUT IMO is a waste of space because he is clearly playing for himself and not the team. I am not going to repeat all I have said elsewhere but he is not a team player and fails to make anything like an appropriate contribution. Berba is the closest I can think of to him in terms of playing for himself rather than the cause.
Quote from: Riversider on October 30, 2018, 10:27:48 AM
What has concerned me the most this season, is this, I went to see QPR v Villa on Friday night, and what I liked about QPR was how good they were when they didn't have the ball, to a man the outfield players were all like Jack Russell's every time Villa were in possession, they didn't give Villa a second the entire match, at no time during the 90 minutes did they let up,
Individually (on paper) they are poor but as a collective they are a decent side,
So if QPR can do it why can't we ?
I can't ever remember a Fulham team as poor as this one out of possession, we don't have the energy, we don't have the desire and we don't have the passion to get the ball back,
We are an unbelievably slow side and we appear to lack fitness and energy,
I'm old enough to remember players like Ray Houghton and Ray Lewington and more recently Steve Sidwell , it was their mission to get the ball back, where are those players now ?
At some point in the next two transfer windows we need to bring in 2 or 3 "Jack Russell" type players to address the slide, in the meantime Jokanovic can at least try to motivate this slow, lazy,demotivated group of players,
And one last thing, Andre Schurrle, pound for pound the worst player I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt, £6.3 million a season on a 2 year contract, £12.6 million in wages for what he does is abhorrent, please, please tell me that Fulham can break the contract in the event of relegation, if we can't then we are right royally fu**ed next season, Simon Davies was at the game on Saturday, I bet he earnt a fraction of that money and yet Schurrle isn't fit to lace his boots.
Funny joke. Real funny.
If thats your realistic football opinion of Schurrle, no one will take you seriously.
Quote from: alfie on October 30, 2018, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: Riversider on October 30, 2018, 03:39:15 PM
Put your glasses on love and look up what "Pound for Pound" means,
Jim Hicks was worse but he cost nothing and was paid virtually nothing ,
Schurrle is on £17,260 a DAY !
An abhorrent amount of money for a very slow and very average player,
But you carry on defending him if he floats your boat.
Which we will do so if we so wish to, opinions, opinions and more opinions, we all have them.
I will back him all the time he is a FFC player and continues to put in the shift
Quote from: Riversider on October 30, 2018, 03:39:15 PM
Put your glasses on love and look up what "Pound for Pound" means,
Jim Hicks was worse but he cost nothing and was paid virtually nothing ,
Schurrle is on £17,260 a DAY !
An abhorrent amount of money for a very slow and very average player,
But you carry on defending him if he floats your boat.
2nd top scorer, but hey
Schurrle floats my 🛥 !!!!
A simple NO I don't agree he is rubbish. OR Yes I agree he is rubbish will do without the added sarcasm.
Schurrle may have some faults like any player, but he's a bloody good one and one we will need to get out of this mess.
Can hide behind 'pound for pound' but calling him the worst player ever is complete and utter garbage.
I have been wondering for several games about the passivity of Fulham, particularly without the ball, and the reasons therefore. This OP makes sense and explains a lot. What surprises me, however, is the assertion that Jokanovic is loyal to the Championship players and reluctant to bed the new players in. One characteristic that has stood out about Jokanovic in my mind is his ruthlessness with respect to players, particularly defenders, who are not cutting it. There certainly was no sentiment toward Kalas or Piazon. On the other hand, I can see no other explanation for why McDonald keeps starting.
Quote from: NewYorkYank on October 30, 2018, 06:15:43 PM
On the other hand, I can see no other explanation for why McDonald keeps starting.
Maybe just does not like/rate Frank?
Quote from: Riversider on October 30, 2018, 10:27:48 AM
What has concerned me the most this season, is this, I went to see QPR v Villa on Friday night, and what I liked about QPR was how good they were when they didn't have the ball, to a man the outfield players were all like Jack Russell's every time Villa were in possession, they didn't give Villa a second the entire match, at no time during the 90 minutes did they let up,
Individually (on paper) they are poor but as a collective they are a decent side,
So if QPR can do it why can't we ?
I can't ever remember a Fulham team as poor as this one out of possession, we don't have the energy, we don't have the desire and we don't have the passion to get the ball back,
We are an unbelievably slow side and we appear to lack fitness and energy,
I'm old enough to remember players like Ray Houghton and Ray Lewington and more recently Steve Sidwell , it was their mission to get the ball back, where are those players now ?
At some point in the next two transfer windows we need to bring in 2 or 3 "Jack Russell" type players to address the slide, in the meantime Jokanovic can at least try to motivate this slow, lazy,demotivated group of players,
And one last thing, Andre Schurrle, pound for pound the worst player I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt, £6.3 million a season on a 2 year contract, £12.6 million in wages for what he does is abhorrent, please, please tell me that Fulham can break the contract in the event of relegation, if we can't then we are right royally fu**ed next season, Simon Davies was at the game on Saturday, I bet he earnt a fraction of that money and yet Schurrle isn't fit to lace his boots.
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Agree with
everything in this post.
(slow clap and virtual hug)
After the Cardiff midfield ran through the team I can't see how anyone can say the midfield isn't slow and lacks energy... (Seri, MacDonald)
And as far as Schurrle goes, I don't value being a ok scorer over being a good team player. Especially if you can see your side is leaking goals and you need to put just a little bit more effort into being more than your normal self.
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£17000 a day? Jeez...
Plenty of players worse than Schurrle. I don't like the way he hangs on to the ball a little too much when the first option pass would do but he is a match winner. Its the other end of the pitch that worries me more.
Quote from: the nutflush on October 30, 2018, 09:04:16 PM
Plenty of players worse than Schurrle. I don't like the way he hangs on to the ball a little too much when the first option pass would do but he is a match winner. Its the other end of the pitch that worries me more.
Yep he's a match winner,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,one game.
Schurrle = poor man's Berbatov
Just managed to pluck up courage and watch the lowlights on MOTD - watch him in the pre- match huddle - looks uninterested - which is disappointing as he is a brilliantly skillful player
Click Bait Shurely.
Quote from: Statto on October 30, 2018, 10:16:00 PM
Schurrle = poor man's Berbatov
Different player completely. More like a poor man's Dempsey. And of course when Dempsey came he was not the player he'd become, so let's give Schurrle time.
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 28, 2018, 07:46:18 PM
Sounds totally feasible. That transfer window was a total disaster... we shouldn't have gone near the likes of Seri and Anguissa. An utter waste of 45 million.
This is just wrong.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 31, 2018, 12:50:24 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 30, 2018, 10:16:00 PM
Schurrle = poor man's Berbatov
Different player completely. More like a poor man's Dempsey. And of course when Dempsey came he was not the player he'd become, so let's give Schurrle time.
Wait, you do realise Shurle has scored 4 goals and is our second top scorer? Thank god we signed him. One of the only new additions to actually improve us.
Quote from: JoelH5 on October 31, 2018, 12:56:23 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 31, 2018, 12:50:24 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 30, 2018, 10:16:00 PM
Schurrle = poor man's Berbatov
Different player completely. More like a poor man's Dempsey. And of course when Dempsey came he was not the player he'd become, so let's give Schurrle time.
Wait, you do realise Shurle has scored 4 goals and is our second top scorer? Thank god we signed him. One of the only new additions to actually improve us.
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Quote from: RaySmith on October 31, 2018, 01:14:12 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on October 31, 2018, 12:56:23 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 31, 2018, 12:50:24 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 30, 2018, 10:16:00 PM
Schurrle = poor man's Berbatov
Different player completely. More like a poor man's Dempsey. And of course when Dempsey came he was not the player he'd become, so let's give Schurrle time.
Wait, you do realise Shurle has scored 4 goals and is our second top scorer? Thank god we signed him. One of the only new additions to actually improve us.
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Berbatov scored 5 in his first 10 games. A rich man's Schurrle.
Dempsey got better because he was 23 when we signed him. A young Schurrle.
Quote from: KJS on October 30, 2018, 04:49:42 PM
Quote from: alfie on October 30, 2018, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: Riversider on October 30, 2018, 03:39:15 PM
Put your glasses on love and look up what "Pound for Pound" means,
Jim Hicks was worse but he cost nothing and was paid virtually nothing ,
Schurrle is on £17,260 a DAY !
An abhorrent amount of money for a very slow and very average player,
But you carry on defending him if he floats your boat.
Which we will do so if we so wish to, opinions, opinions and more opinions, we all have them.
I will back him all the time he is a FFC player and continues to put in the shift
+1
Quote from: Riversider on October 30, 2018, 10:27:48 AM
What has concerned me the most this season, is this, I went to see QPR v Villa on Friday night, and what I liked about QPR was how good they were when they didn't have the ball, to a man the outfield players were all like Jack Russell's every time Villa were in possession, they didn't give Villa a second the entire match, at no time during the 90 minutes did they let up,
Individually (on paper) they are poor but as a collective they are a decent side,
So if QPR can do it why can't we ?
I can't ever remember a Fulham team as poor as this one out of possession, we don't have the energy, we don't have the desire and we don't have the passion to get the ball back,
We are an unbelievably slow side and we appear to lack fitness and energy,
I'm old enough to remember players like Ray Houghton and Ray Lewington and more recently Steve Sidwell , it was their mission to get the ball back, where are those players now ?
At some point in the next two transfer windows we need to bring in 2 or 3 "Jack Russell" type players to address the slide, in the meantime Jokanovic can at least try to motivate this slow, lazy,demotivated group of players,
And one last thing, Andre Schurrle, pound for pound the worst player I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt, £6.3 million a season on a 2 year contract, £12.6 million in wages for what he does is abhorrent, please, please tell me that Fulham can break the contract in the event of relegation, if we can't then we are right royally fu**ed next season, Simon Davies was at the game on Saturday, I bet he earnt a fraction of that money and yet Schurrle isn't fit to lace his boots.
Just want to emphasise the point about Schurrle again, pound for pound the worst Fulham player ive ever seen !
£6.3 million a year in wages, thats over £17,000 each and every day 😢
Terrible waste of money, and I pray to God that there is a break clause in his 2 year contract .
Quote from: Riversider on December 09, 2018, 03:26:22 PM
Quote from: Riversider on October 30, 2018, 10:27:48 AM
What has concerned me the most this season, is this, I went to see QPR v Villa on Friday night, and what I liked about QPR was how good they were when they didn't have the ball, to a man the outfield players were all like Jack Russell's every time Villa were in possession, they didn't give Villa a second the entire match, at no time during the 90 minutes did they let up,
Individually (on paper) they are poor but as a collective they are a decent side,
So if QPR can do it why can't we ?
I can't ever remember a Fulham team as poor as this one out of possession, we don't have the energy, we don't have the desire and we don't have the passion to get the ball back,
We are an unbelievably slow side and we appear to lack fitness and energy,
I'm old enough to remember players like Ray Houghton and Ray Lewington and more recently Steve Sidwell , it was their mission to get the ball back, where are those players now ?
At some point in the next two transfer windows we need to bring in 2 or 3 "Jack Russell" type players to address the slide, in the meantime Jokanovic can at least try to motivate this slow, lazy,demotivated group of players,
And one last thing, Andre Schurrle, pound for pound the worst player I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt, £6.3 million a season on a 2 year contract, £12.6 million in wages for what he does is abhorrent, please, please tell me that Fulham can break the contract in the event of relegation, if we can't then we are right royally fu**ed next season, Simon Davies was at the game on Saturday, I bet he earnt a fraction of that money and yet Schurrle isn't fit to lace his boots.
Just want to emphasise the point about Schurrle again, pound for pound the worst Fulham player ive ever seen !
£6.3 million a year in wages, thats over £17,000 each and every day 😢
Terrible waste of money, and I pray to God that there is a break clause in his 2 year contract .
If he is indeed on this sort of money then it is a massive mistake. It was one of the reasons the morale and motivation of the players on less money than others diminished under Jol's tenure and in our relegation season.
Also if he really is on £120k per week (I'm sceptical about that to be honest) it undermines the wage structure reasons for not giving Fredericks the £60-70k he would have wanted to stay.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 31, 2018, 12:50:24 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 30, 2018, 10:16:00 PM
Schurrle = poor man's Berbatov
Different player completely. More like a poor man's Dempsey. And of course when Dempsey came he was not the player he'd become, so let's give Schurrle time.
Time is something we do not possess in abundance, and Schurrie should not require time, he is an experienced World Cup Winner believe it or not. He is not 12 years old.
It's his mentality, and the wrong kind of mentality, lazy and selfish and bankrupt of any passion, and that's what you get with a Stats based recruitment policy.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 09, 2018, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 31, 2018, 12:50:24 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 30, 2018, 10:16:00 PM
Schurrle = poor man's Berbatov
Different player completely. More like a poor man's Dempsey. And of course when Dempsey came he was not the player he'd become, so let's give Schurrle time.
Time is something we do not possess in abundance, and Schurrie should not require time, he is an experienced World Cup Winner believe it or not. He is not 12 years old.
It's his mentality, and the wrong kind of mentality, lazy and selfish and bankrupt of any passion, and that's what you get with a Stats based recruitment policy.
You question his mentality state and say he is bankrupt of any passion. And you get all this from watching on the match day thread? That's some talent you have
Seri is the highest paid player at Fulham, nowhere near £120k/week
Quote from: BedsFFC on December 09, 2018, 05:23:08 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 09, 2018, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 31, 2018, 12:50:24 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 30, 2018, 10:16:00 PM
Schurrle = poor man's Berbatov
Different player completely. More like a poor man's Dempsey. And of course when Dempsey came he was not the player he'd become, so let's give Schurrle time.
Time is something we do not possess in abundance, and Schurrie should not require time, he is an experienced World Cup Winner believe it or not. He is not 12 years old.
It's his mentality, and the wrong kind of mentality, lazy and selfish and bankrupt of any passion, and that's what you get with a Stats based recruitment policy.
You question his mentality state and say he is bankrupt of any passion. And you get all this from watching on the match day thread? That's some talent you have
I don't need to go down a coal mine to know it's dark inside, I also question your mentality as well.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on December 09, 2018, 05:38:10 PM
Seri is the highest paid player at Fulham, nowhere near £120k/week
Can I ask how you know that please?
Quote from: Twig on December 09, 2018, 06:56:29 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on December 09, 2018, 05:38:10 PM
Seri is the highest paid player at Fulham, nowhere near £120k/week
Can I ask how you know that please?
Some inside info, I can't disclose the source for fear of jeopardising someone's career.