Knowledgeable guy who I often speak to and he been right on about a few rumours in the past,said yesterday that the club have sounded out Kevin Keegan to return to manage us next season,or Keegan has stated he'd like to return,he was shouting at me over the noise,so I might have got it wrong way round.
Can't see that happening myself,but we are Fulham aren't we,no way did I think we'd employ the Tinkerman. 049:gif
Or it might have been as D O F.
Interview 6 months ago he said:
"I don't think it's going to happen, but when you say that you've got to be careful ... because if someone came in like Sir John Hall did and said, 'You've got the passion, I've got the money', you think, 'Wow, we could do something there'." He is juggling the possibilities in his head. "I'm 67, almost 68," he says, apparently writing himself off. But a second later there's a glint in his eye. "I wouldn't be the oldest manager!"
I read an interview with Keegan in a Norwegian newspaper a month ago (he was in Norway talking about his career). He said he is 100 % done with football.
That would be a wrong move. Been out of game for too long and things have moved on from the Rothmans year book he used to find players when he came to us before.
Quote from: MJG on March 04, 2019, 08:20:27 AM
That would be a wrong move. Been out of game for too long and things have moved on from the Rothmans year book he used to find players when he came to us before.
Is the Rothmans book still on the go?
We need a manager who knows the Championship, who can identify new young players we can buy (not loan) and build.
SP may be the man, my fear is we hired him / fired CR too early.
We should have let CR lose the CFC, MCFC, LFC matches and given SP and easier honeymoon
Believe we should give the Parker/Gray partnership a chance. Both know the club well & embrace Jokanovic's style of play. Yesterday was a fillip, if they can keep up this intensity & passion in our performances on the pitch, then next season bodes well. However, they simply must be given a say in transfers in, to replace the mercenaries.
Tom Greatrex was asked whether Keegan would be a good choice of manager just before Ranieri was sacked on Talksport. At the time I thought that it came out of left field, now I am hoping that it has.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 04, 2019, 08:22:48 AM
Quote from: MJG on March 04, 2019, 08:20:27 AM
That would be a wrong move. Been out of game for too long and things have moved on from the Rothmans year book he used to find players when he came to us before.
Is the Rothmans book still on the go?
Sadly, no. It has been taken over by Sky I think.....like the fixture list.
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Quote from: MJG on March 04, 2019, 08:20:27 AM
That would be a wrong move. Been out of game for too long and things have moved on from the Rothmans year book he used to find players when he came to us before.
Well recall my newsroom boss saying he'd heard from trusted sources at the Mirror in the 90's that Keegan would be parachuted in at Fulham to replace Adams. Having covered every club game through our promotion season for Sky and been in the dressing room at Mansfield (at Mickey's invitation) I scoffed at the notion. I thought I knew the club inside out, and Adams was a winner. But I didn't know how al Fayed operated, and I was wrong. What Fulham needed above all since that day last May at Wembley was a Director of Football. A conduit between a floundering CEO ever looking over his shoulder and a billionaire owner without a shred of football knowledge. That's a role only a very select few in the game could fit. Woy's not quite ready for retirement yet, and KK is not the answer. If there's a parallel between Fulham now and the summer of 97 it's Shahid Khan.
Who saw his bid to purchase Wembley coming? The seriously rich write their own rules. If someone gets in Khan's ear, who knows if Fulham may just hit on the right candidate? For taking on a major project by the river, with limitless resources, a figure with a steely eye for scouting talent, obsessive attention to detail, plus a ferocious appetite to win at all costs I give you...Arsene Wenger.
Wenger would be a good appointment.
Quote from: Robbie on March 04, 2019, 08:40:52 AM
We need a manager who knows the Championship, who can identify new young players we can buy (not loan) and build.
SP may be the man, my fear is we hired him / fired CR too early.
We should have let CR lose the CFC, MCFC, LFC matches and given SP and easier honeymoon
Santos didn't know the Championship and won it. What he had was good connections that enabled him to bring in PL quality players in the Championship. Why can't we do the same?
If we did go for a manager who knows the Championship, what do we do when we get promoted? Sack him because he doesn't know the PL?
Bringing in someone that's knows players and football like Wenger would be great and if it happened he could mentor Scotty as well so it could be a win win.
You could also keep TK involved the process but without the final say.
What has Keegan been doing for the last ten years? I don't think he has managed anyone sine the bar codes. Am I wrong?
Given Keegan "resigned" from Newcastle as he felt that he had no say in or control over player recruitment then I am not sure how he would like the set-up over here...
Quote from: hovewhite on March 04, 2019, 04:10:07 PM
Bringing in someone that's knows players and football like Wenger would be great and if it happened he could mentor Scotty as well so it could be a win win.
You could also keep TK involved the process but without the final say.
The final say always goes to the owners. Derby Country 73/74 destroyed their club by infighting between the owners, manager and fans on that pointz In the end, the owners sacked Brian Clough after taking them from the Mid-Championship to winning the Premier League. Fans contributed to that rift and if he stayed i plus many others believed he would have won Derby County the Champions League.
Brian Clough found another Championship team and took them to winners of the Champions League. The lessons is the manager must share control and glory with the owners and the fans need to be careful taking sides.
Quote from: hovewhite on March 04, 2019, 04:10:07 PM
Bringing in someone that's knows players and football like Wenger would be great and if it happened he could mentor Scotty as well so it could be a win win.
You could also keep TK involved the process but without the final say.
But Wenger admits himself, he never sees anything.
Keegan as Director Of Football , sounds good to me.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 04, 2019, 10:21:01 PM
The lessons is the manager must share control and glory with the owners
Surely the lesson shown time and time again over the years is that when the owners try to share control (of football matters) with the manager, it never ends well.
Quote from: Statto on March 05, 2019, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 04, 2019, 10:21:01 PM
The lessons is the manager must share control and glory with the owners
Surely the lesson shown time and time again over the years is that when the owners try to share control (of football matters) with the manager, it never ends well.
Dead right Statto, but their huge ego's prevent them from recognising this, or from learning from their past mistakes.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 04, 2019, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: hovewhite on March 04, 2019, 04:10:07 PM
Bringing in someone that's knows players and football like Wenger would be great and if it happened he could mentor Scotty as well so it could be a win win.
You could also keep TK involved the process but without the final say.
The final say always goes to the owners. Derby Country 73/74 destroyed their club by infighting between the owners, manager and fans on that pointz In the end, the owners sacked Brian Clough after taking them from the Mid-Championship to winning the Premier League. Fans contributed to that rift and if he stayed i plus many others believed he would have won Derby County the Champions League.
Brian Clough found another Championship team and took them to winners of the Champions League. The lessons is the manager must share control and glory with the owners and the fans need to be careful taking sides.
I do not see why the fans should be careful taking sides. The fans will vote with their heads and hearts. Obviously you being chief spokesperson for the Khans exempts you from taking sides, and therefore you are disqualified from voting.
But the real lessons here and at Derby County are, that the owners should leave football matters and decisions to the professionals.
Which is another mistake the owners need to learn on top of all the other mistakes they have to learn from.
In fact enough mistakes to sink a ship.
So the lesson to be learnt there is replace the owners son with an Authorsed Qualified Professional Footballing Directer of Football, and the same with Recruitment, and off load the current pantermine.
That is the lessons they need to learn, but they won't, as apart from being far too arrogant for their own good, they have their own hidden agenda.
Thanks for yet more enlightenment on our DOF.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 04, 2019, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: hovewhite on March 04, 2019, 04:10:07 PM
Bringing in someone that's knows players and football like Wenger would be great and if it happened he could mentor Scotty as well so it could be a win win.
You could also keep TK involved the process but without the final say.
The final say always goes to the owners. Derby Country 73/74 destroyed their club by infighting between the owners, manager and fans on that pointz In the end, the owners sacked Brian Clough after taking them from the Mid-Championship to winning the Premier League. Fans contributed to that rift and if he stayed i plus many others believed he would have won Derby County the Champions League.
Brian Clough found another Championship team and took them to winners of the Champions League. The lessons is the manager must share control and glory with the owners and the fans need to be careful taking sides.
I think you will find that the owners weren't claiming the glory when Nottingham Forest won the league championship and the European Cup.
I can never remember the owners of Manchester United, Liverpool or Arsenal wanting to share the glory during their successful eras.
The first league champions that I can remember where the owner was out there sharing in the glory were Blackburn Rovers where Jack Walker bankrolled them to success.
Even though Manchester City's recent success has been down to the almost unlimited resources of their owners, they have left it to the management and players to take the plaudits.
To suggest that the owners have to share the glory is utter nonsense.
Quote from: Penfold on March 06, 2019, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 04, 2019, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: hovewhite on March 04, 2019, 04:10:07 PM
Bringing in someone that's knows players and football like Wenger would be great and if it happened he could mentor Scotty as well so it could be a win win.
You could also keep TK involved the process but without the final say.
The final say always goes to the owners. Derby Country 73/74 destroyed their club by infighting between the owners, manager and fans on that pointz In the end, the owners sacked Brian Clough after taking them from the Mid-Championship to winning the Premier League. Fans contributed to that rift and if he stayed i plus many others believed he would have won Derby County the Champions League.
Brian Clough found another Championship team and took them to winners of the Champions League. The lessons is the manager must share control and glory with the owners and the fans need to be careful taking sides.
I think you will find that the owners weren't claiming the glory when Nottingham Forest won the league championship and the European Cup.
I can never remember the owners of Manchester United, Liverpool or Arsenal wanting to share the glory during their successful eras.
The first league champions that I can remember where the owner was out there sharing in the glory were Blackburn Rovers where Jack Walker bankrolled them to success.
Even though Manchester City's recent success has been down to the almost unlimited resources of their owners, they have left it to the management and players to take the plaudits.
To suggest that "the owners have to share the glory" is utter nonsense.
I'm sure you'd agree that "the owners have to share the blame". So, why not the glory?
I guess what your saying is "if an owner wants glory, then he better make himself the DoF".
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 06, 2019, 11:22:47 PM
Quote from: Penfold on March 06, 2019, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 04, 2019, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: hovewhite on March 04, 2019, 04:10:07 PM
Bringing in someone that's knows players and football like Wenger would be great and if it happened he could mentor Scotty as well so it could be a win win.
You could also keep TK involved the process but without the final say.
The final say always goes to the owners. Derby Country 73/74 destroyed their club by infighting between the owners, manager and fans on that pointz In the end, the owners sacked Brian Clough after taking them from the Mid-Championship to winning the Premier League. Fans contributed to that rift and if he stayed i plus many others believed he would have won Derby County the Champions League.
Brian Clough found another Championship team and took them to winners of the Champions League. The lessons is the manager must share control and glory with the owners and the fans need to be careful taking sides.
I think you will find that the owners weren't claiming the glory when Nottingham Forest won the league championship and the European Cup.
I can never remember the owners of Manchester United, Liverpool or Arsenal wanting to share the glory during their successful eras.
The first league champions that I can remember where the owner was out there sharing in the glory were Blackburn Rovers where Jack Walker bankrolled them to success.
Even though Manchester City's recent success has been down to the almost unlimited resources of their owners, they have left it to the management and players to take the plaudits.
To suggest that "the owners have to share the glory" is utter nonsense.
I'm sure you'd agree that "the owners have to share the blame". So, why not the glory?
I guess what your saying is "if an owner wants glory, then he better make himself the DoF, Manager or Player".
I was talking about the celebrating with the players type of sharing the glory. At Fulham, MAF did that and most accepted that he was entitled to it for bankrolling it.
An owner does not need to do what you have suggested to be appreciated/share in the glory. He/she (no sexism here!) makes the correct decisions to ensure that the club is successful. When they fail to do this then they do get blamed. Where they appoint themselves to positions that they shouldn't, they get untold grief. For example, see Michael Knighton at Carlisle United.
I would like Shad Khan to make good decisions that lead to playing success. He has shown a willingness to spend on the club so you wont hear me moaning about that. My gripe is when his son allows the likes of Kline to dictate transfer policy and we need Shad to boot him out because Tony wouldn't.
I am sure you know what my view on having Tony still so heavily involved in the recruitment side is.