I've seen recently a few posts on the forum worrying about our potential lack of talent next season and even some suggesting that we may drop all the way down to League 1 if we're not careful.
GK: Bettinelli
Defence:Odoi, Ream, Nordveit, Mawson, Le Marchand, Christie, Bryan, Steve Sessegnon.
Midfield: McDonald, Johansen, Anguissa, Kebano, Ayite, O'Riley, De la Torre, Cisse.
Forwards: AK, Fonte.
Any players not mentioned above I think are likely to leave our club in the summer, for various reasons.
For me, if we can keep this core squad, add two goal-scoring strikers and a creative midfielder to replace Cairney, Sess and Mitrovic, I'm struggling to see how we're in danger of getting relegated. IMO, top 10 should be possible with this set of players, alongside a couple of additions in key positions that need strengthening.
Johansen Ream Ayite Kebano are out of contract
Nordveit on loan to the end of this season.
Quote from: @jolslover on March 06, 2019, 08:22:27 PM
Johansen Ream Ayite Kebano are out of contract
I reckon we can keep them at the club if we want to and extend their contact. It wouldn't break the bank and playing for Fulham in the championship should be an attractive proposition and asides from Johansen, it's not like there have been plenty of clubs trying to sign the other three recently.
Quote from: Penfold on March 06, 2019, 08:33:33 PM
Nordveit on loan to the end of this season.
Since 2017 he's struggled for first team football wherever he has been, so if we can offer him a permanent contract and regular gametime alongside Mawson at the heart of our defence, I think that could be a relatively cheap answer to who we would like to see starting at CB next season. He's impressed me since joining.
Quote from: Penfold on March 06, 2019, 08:33:33 PM
Nordveit on loan to the end of this season.
I'd pay him before I'd pay Ream. I also want a better CB brought in. If it means skimping on midfield depth i'm ok with it.
A dominate CB loanie like Tuanzebe at Aston Villa.
Quote from: GJB on March 06, 2019, 08:13:54 PM
I've seen recently a few posts on the forum worrying about our potential lack of talent next season and even some suggesting that we may drop all the way down to League 1 if we're not careful.
GK: Bettinelli
Defence:Odoi, Ream, Nordveit, Mawson, Le Marchand, Christie, Bryan, Steve Sessegnon.
Midfield: McDonald, Johansen, Anguissa, Kebano, Ayite, O'Riley, De la Torre, Cisse.
Forwards: AK, Fonte.
Any players not mentioned above I think are likely to leave our club in the summer, for various reasons.
For me, if we can keep this core squad, add two goal-scoring strikers and a creative midfielder to replace Cairney, Sess and Mitrovic, I'm struggling to see how we're in danger of getting relegated. IMO, top 10 should be possible with this set of players, alongside a couple of additions in key positions that need strengthening.
Our forward options look awesome!!!
I really don't think AK will be allowed back, so comparing this possible squad with the team that came third in the Championship it does not look good. We would be missing:-Fredericks, Targette, Cairney, R. Sess., Mitrovic and Kamara, that is six out of ten outfield players. We are not capable of buying six good replacements, we demonstrated that last summer.
Sorry, it looks like another relegation battle to me.
Quote from: GJB on March 06, 2019, 08:40:35 PM
Quote from: Penfold on March 06, 2019, 08:33:33 PM
Nordveit on loan to the end of this season.
Since 2017 he's struggled for first team football wherever he has been, so if we can offer him a permanent contract and regular gametime alongside Mawson at the heart of our defence, I think that could be a relatively cheap answer to who we would like to see starting at CB next season. He's impressed me since joining.
Seems to have been low profile in his performances for us, not seen any fingers pointed at his mistakes or any comments about how well he has played, so certainly a cut above some of our other players!
Quote from: GJB on March 06, 2019, 08:40:35 PM
Quote from: Penfold on March 06, 2019, 08:33:33 PM
Nordveit on loan to the end of this season.
Since 2017 he's struggled for first team football wherever he has been, so if we can offer him a permanent contract and regular gametime alongside Mawson at the heart of our defence, I think that could be a relatively cheap answer to who we would like to see starting at CB next season. He's impressed me since joining.
I am not sure what his contract status is so I would expect it would depend on fee and whether or not he fancies Championship football. Might be a top level side somewhere interested, Bundesliga for example.
Take out the loaner, the out of contract platers, the loaned out never to return players, SSess who is likely to leave when his brother does and you don't have a squad left. Top 10 or relegation? Let me think now.....
Quote from: davew on March 06, 2019, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: GJB on March 06, 2019, 08:13:54 PM
I've seen recently a few posts on the forum worrying about our potential lack of talent next season and even some suggesting that we may drop all the way down to League 1 if we're not careful.
GK: Bettinelli
Defence:Odoi, Ream, Nordveit, Mawson, Le Marchand, Christie, Bryan, Steve Sessegnon.
Midfield: McDonald, Johansen, Anguissa, Kebano, Ayite, O'Riley, De la Torre, Cisse.
Forwards: AK, Fonte.
Any players not mentioned above I think are likely to leave our club in the summer, for various reasons.
For me, if we can keep this core squad, add two goal-scoring strikers and a creative midfielder to replace Cairney, Sess and Mitrovic, I'm struggling to see how we're in danger of getting relegated. IMO, top 10 should be possible with this set of players, alongside a couple of additions in key positions that need strengthening.
Our forward options look awesome!!!
That's because he has forgotten Mitrovoic, Babel, Markvoic and Vietto that I believe will all be playing for us next season. Fonte will only get a game if Mitro and Kamara both get red cards for fighting each other.
I see no reason at this stage, why we cannot win the Championship. We play like we did against Chelsea, we will tear that league apart.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 06, 2019, 11:00:16 PM
Quote from: davew on March 06, 2019, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: GJB on March 06, 2019, 08:13:54 PM
I've seen recently a few posts on the forum worrying about our potential lack of talent next season and even some suggesting that we may drop all the way down to League 1 if we're not careful.
GK: Bettinelli
Defence:Odoi, Ream, Nordveit, Mawson, Le Marchand, Christie, Bryan, Steve Sessegnon.
Midfield: McDonald, Johansen, Anguissa, Kebano, Ayite, O'Riley, De la Torre, Cisse.
Forwards: AK, Fonte.
Any players not mentioned above I think are likely to leave our club in the summer, for various reasons.
For me, if we can keep this core squad, add two goal-scoring strikers and a creative midfielder to replace Cairney, Sess and Mitrovic, I'm struggling to see how we're in danger of getting relegated. IMO, top 10 should be possible with this set of players, alongside a couple of additions in key positions that need strengthening.
Our forward options look awesome!!!
That's because he has forgotten Mitrovoic, Babel, Markvoic and Vietto that I believe will all be playing for us next season. Fonte will only get a game if Mitro and Kamara both get red cards for fighting each other.
I see no reason at this stage, why we cannot win the Championship. We play like we did against Chelsea, we will tear that league apart.
Out of interest, why do you think Mitrovic would stay?
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 06, 2019, 11:17:11 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 06, 2019, 11:00:16 PM
Quote from: davew on March 06, 2019, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: GJB on March 06, 2019, 08:13:54 PM
I've seen recently a few posts on the forum worrying about our potential lack of talent next season and even some suggesting that we may drop all the way down to League 1 if we're not careful.
GK: Bettinelli
Defence:Odoi, Ream, Nordveit, Mawson, Le Marchand, Christie, Bryan, Steve Sessegnon.
Midfield: McDonald, Johansen, Anguissa, Kebano, Ayite, O'Riley, De la Torre, Cisse.
Forwards: AK, Fonte.
Any players not mentioned above I think are likely to leave our club in the summer, for various reasons.
For me, if we can keep this core squad, add two goal-scoring strikers and a creative midfielder to replace Cairney, Sess and Mitrovic, I'm struggling to see how we're in danger of getting relegated. IMO, top 10 should be possible with this set of players, alongside a couple of additions in key positions that need strengthening.
Our forward options look awesome!!!
That's because he has forgotten Mitrovoic, Babel, Markvoic and Vietto that I believe will all be playing for us next season. Fonte will only get a game if Mitro and Kamara both get red cards for fighting each other.
I see no reason at this stage, why we cannot win the Championship. We play like we did against Chelsea, we will tear that league apart.
Out of interest, why do you think Mitrovic would stay?
For me it could be any combination of the following, all of which may well materialise
1. Because he enjoys playing for Fulham, the coaching team, Craven Cottage and the fans, etc
2. Because he enjoys living in London
3. Because joining another club may turn out the same way joining Newcastle went for him
4. Because he will score for fun in the Championship
5. Because he thinks we'll come straight back up, and we agree to let him go next summer if we don't
6. Because we'll make him captain
7. Because we'll keep him on the same pay he's on now
8. Because he feels he contributed to our relegation and it's only fair he fights to get us back up
9. Because he's on a 4-year contract and we won't let him leave
10. Because only fairly average PL clubs, eg Watford, offer to take him off us
11. Because, if plays in the Championship and does ok, he will certainly still play for Serbia.
12. Because, if plays for a Top Six team, then if he has a dozen bad games and he'll be lucky to make the bench.
13. Because, if he is in a Top Six team and doesn't play for six months, he may be dropped from Serbia.
14. Because, unless London's West Ham want him, his options in the premier league are Top Six, Relegation Battle, Midlands club or Merseyside.
15. Because, he is not classfied as a homegrown player for a premier league making him less valulable than Sess/Cairney
16. Because, he may fancy his chance of beating Glen Murray's record 30 goals in Championship Season.
17. Because, if he wants to leaves now, TK will probably want a price so high that requires him to take a pay cut.
18. Because, if he stays until the two years of parchate payments end, then TK will have to sell him and he may get a pay rise.
19. Because, he will still be 27 years old when TK has to sell him to another club due to FFP Rules if in Championship.
20. Because, playing in a premier league team that is not in Europe may not actually be that interesting.
21. Because, getting promoted from the Championship was the most fun he has ever had so far and wants to do it again.
22. Because, signing Markvoic next season may help both of them internationally and allow Mitro to speak his native language more.
23. Because, if TK has a little brains (source of constant debate here), TK will make him an offer Mitro cannot refuse (like silverware).
Those 23 observations have to all work, and that's a big ask with the club in the hands of the wrong director of football.
There is more chance of a one legged man winning a bum kicking contest.
Any squad for next season shouldn't include AK as he won't be coming back and playing.
I think it impossible to tell which players will be with us next season, but having a Manager the players want to play for may help some of em stay.8
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2019, 11:24:13 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 06, 2019, 11:17:11 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 06, 2019, 11:00:16 PM
Quote from: davew on March 06, 2019, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: GJB on March 06, 2019, 08:13:54 PM
I've seen recently a few posts on the forum worrying about our potential lack of talent next season and even some suggesting that we may drop all the way down to League 1 if we're not careful.
GK: Bettinelli
Defence:Odoi, Ream, Nordveit, Mawson, Le Marchand, Christie, Bryan, Steve Sessegnon.
Midfield: McDonald, Johansen, Anguissa, Kebano, Ayite, O'Riley, De la Torre, Cisse.
Forwards: AK, Fonte.
Any players not mentioned above I think are likely to leave our club in the summer, for various reasons.
For me, if we can keep this core squad, add two goal-scoring strikers and a creative midfielder to replace Cairney, Sess and Mitrovic, I'm struggling to see how we're in danger of getting relegated. IMO, top 10 should be possible with this set of players, alongside a couple of additions in key positions that need strengthening.
Our forward options look awesome!!!
That's because he has forgotten Mitrovoic, Babel, Markvoic and Vietto that I believe will all be playing for us next season. Fonte will only get a game if Mitro and Kamara both get red cards for fighting each other.
I see no reason at this stage, why we cannot win the Championship. We play like we did against Chelsea, we will tear that league apart.
Out of interest, why do you think Mitrovic would stay?
For me it could be any combination of the following, all of which may well materialise
1. Because he enjoys playing for Fulham, the coaching team, Craven Cottage and the fans, etc
2. Because he enjoys living in London
3. Because joining another club may turn out the same way joining Newcastle went for him
4. Because he will score for fun in the Championship
5. Because he thinks we'll come straight back up, and we agree to let him go next summer if we don't
6. Because we'll make him captain
7. Because we'll keep him on the same pay he's on now
8. Because he feels he contributed to our relegation and it's only fair he fights to get us back up
9. Because he's on a 4-year contract and we won't let him leave
10. Because only fairly average PL clubs, eg Watford, offer to take him off us
May I also add:
11.Because not everyone appreciates Mitro or values him as highly as we do. Non-Fulham supporters say to me that he misses too many chances for a premier league striker. (I don't agree. I don't think he gets enough chances, but that's because we are 2nd from bottom and have been coming 2nd in a lot of games.) Consequently other clubs may baulk at paying us the £25 to £30 million (or more) we should demand if he decides to leave.
I must have missed the official club announcement that Cairney, R. Sees and Mitro were leaving. Where did you read it?
Quote from: Penfold on March 06, 2019, 10:05:30 PM
Quote from: GJB on March 06, 2019, 08:40:35 PM
Quote from: Penfold on March 06, 2019, 08:33:33 PM
Nordveit on loan to the end of this season.
Since 2017 he's struggled for first team football wherever he has been, so if we can offer him a permanent contract and regular gametime alongside Mawson at the heart of our defence, I think that could be a relatively cheap answer to who we would like to see starting at CB next season. He's impressed me since joining.
I am not sure what his contract status is so I would expect it would depend on fee and whether or not he fancies Championship football. Might be a top level side somewhere interested, Bundesliga for example.
Hoffenheim (9th in the bundesliga) is where he came from on loan
Quote from: Twig on March 06, 2019, 10:54:58 PM
Take out the loaner, the out of contract platers, the loaned out never to return players, SSess who is likely to leave when his brother does and you don't have a squad left. Top 10 or relegation? Let me think now.....
Why do you think Steve Sess would necessarily leave where his brother does? it would be a strange move just to sit on the bench and waste a valuable year of his career. R Sess is a step ahead after his season last year, S Sess still needs to show he has the talent for the premier league, which playing a full season in the championship next year could allow him to do
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2019, 11:24:13 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 06, 2019, 11:17:11 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 06, 2019, 11:00:16 PM
Quote from: davew on March 06, 2019, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: GJB on March 06, 2019, 08:13:54 PM
I've seen recently a few posts on the forum worrying about our potential lack of talent next season and even some suggesting that we may drop all the way down to League 1 if we're not careful.
GK: Bettinelli
Defence:Odoi, Ream, Nordveit, Mawson, Le Marchand, Christie, Bryan, Steve Sessegnon.
Midfield: McDonald, Johansen, Anguissa, Kebano, Ayite, O'Riley, De la Torre, Cisse.
Forwards: AK, Fonte.
Any players not mentioned above I think are likely to leave our club in the summer, for various reasons.
For me, if we can keep this core squad, add two goal-scoring strikers and a creative midfielder to replace Cairney, Sess and Mitrovic, I'm struggling to see how we're in danger of getting relegated. IMO, top 10 should be possible with this set of players, alongside a couple of additions in key positions that need strengthening.
Our forward options look awesome!!!
That's because he has forgotten Mitrovoic, Babel, Markvoic and Vietto that I believe will all be playing for us next season. Fonte will only get a game if Mitro and Kamara both get red cards for fighting each other.
I see no reason at this stage, why we cannot win the Championship. We play like we did against Chelsea, we will tear that league apart.
Out of interest, why do you think Mitrovic would stay?
For me it could be any combination of the following, all of which may well materialise
1. Because he enjoys playing for Fulham, the coaching team, Craven Cottage and the fans, etc
2. Because he enjoys living in London
3. Because joining another club may turn out the same way joining Newcastle went for him
4. Because he will score for fun in the Championship
5. Because he thinks we'll come straight back up, and we agree to let him go next summer if we don't
6. Because we'll make him captain
7. Because we'll keep him on the same pay he's on now
8. Because he feels he contributed to our relegation and it's only fair he fights to get us back up
9. Because he's on a 4-year contract and we won't let him leave
10. Because only fairly average PL clubs, eg Watford, offer to take him off us
Interesting take on why he'd stay - I'd be over the moon if that came about. I'm with JoelH5 though that I just think with the money thrown about nowadays, some top 10 club who are in Europe, or would be serious contenders with Mitro, could tempt him with big money and for a large price. If he can score 10 at a club in 19th place in the prem, i'm sure he could get a whole load more with a better team behind him.
I'm thinking of teams like Everton who are in desperate need of a striker, or potentially West Ham where Arnautovic could be on his way. The temptation of premier league football could be enough for him
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 07, 2019, 02:27:22 AM
Those 23 observations have to all work, and that's a big ask with the club in the hands of the wrong director of football.
There is more chance of a one legged man winning a bum kicking contest.
They don't have to all work. Any combination of 3 would be enough depending on where Mitro's mind is at. Stop panicking.
Now...if someone pays TK 60 million for him...yeah, Mitro would probably be gone but then TK and Sr. Khan would have to weigh marketability lost by moving on Mitro (and Sess, and Tom).
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 07, 2019, 02:27:22 AM
Those 23 observations have to all work, and that's a big ask with the club in the hands of the wrong director of football.
There is more chance of a one legged man winning a bum kicking contest.
Taking account of all those reasons an increase in pay at 7th in the premier league Watford, close enough to London, would surely be more attractive to him.
Quote from: filham on March 07, 2019, 09:55:40 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 07, 2019, 02:27:22 AM
Those 23 observations have to all work, and that's a big ask with the club in the hands of the wrong director of football.
There is more chance of a one legged man winning a bum kicking contest.
Taking account of all those reasons an increase in pay at 7th in the premier league Watford, close enough to London, would surely be more attractive to him.
Mitrovoic is under contract near 2023, so Watford want him they can pay £45m and for that price they'll demand a pay cut. The only way Mitrovoic can leave with a pay rise is, if the transfer fee is so enormous FFC want him to leave. Given that we arent the best at spending money ons strikers (e.g. Fonte), for me that figure would have to really really enormous to encourage Mitro to leave.
When we go down, the club needs to really figure out what type of club we want to be - and then strive towards that. Are we going to be a possession-based club, or more pragmatic? Are we going to be a club who used 3 man defence, or 4 man defence? 433?
Regardless of whos in charge come august, the clubs needs to implement two basic principles:
-A very conservative loan-policy.
For the past couple of years, Fulham has had a lot of players on loan. This might be useful in the short term, and in smaller doses, but in the long term you basically postpone your squad building to a point where you one day need to replace too many players whos left the club, leaving you with the only option of trying to find cheaper players which devalues the overall ability of your squad.
-A very youth emphasised strategy
Fulhams got a fantastic youth set up as we all know. Theres is no need to have a great youth set up if you dont strive towards promoting your youngsters. This is a great way of not only supplying your own squad without paying transfer fees, it can also become a very lucrative business as we've seen for the likes of Soton. But, if we dont give our youth players a chance, then in the long run younger talents will ask themselves why they should sign Fulham.
GK
Bettinelli
<new player>
Rico is on loan and cant see him ever wanting to stay. Wouldnt mind keeping Fabricio, but I dont want to have a over paid reserve keeper on the books. I wouldnt mind selling Fabricio and use the money/wage space for other positions. If we sell Fabricio, Id like the club to look at interesting, younger gks in the championship/L1 to use as a back up for Betts.
Ashby-Hammond needs to go on loan, not sit on the bench.
Defence
Christie
S Sessegnon
Ream
Mawson
Jenz
Odoi/Le Marchand?
Bryan
Mawson-Ream would be a good championship partnership but Id think the club would be wise investing in a really solid, top class cb and then having Jenz getting some rotation in. Steve Sess should get a chance to prove himself and should be a useful rotation player until he eventually fulfills his potential and gets into the starting XI. Bryan is a good championship lb, and perhaps we should be looking in the U23s or in the championship for a decent cover for him.
Dont know about Odoi, would love to have him at the club but I cant see him become a the CB we need. Dont think he'll settle for a rotational role tho.
Regarding Le Marchand, dont think he'll do a bad job in the championship but would mind selling him if the price is right. Cant really see him ever becoming a regular cb in a premiership team, might be a decent rotation player.
Midfield
Kmac
Cairney
O'Riley
Johansen(?)
De la Torre
Edun
(Hilton/Francois)
Lets face it. Seri and Anguissa wont be joining us. Wouldnt mind getting Johansen back but unsure of if theres a option to buy for WBA. We should be looking to keep hold of Kmac and Cairney, really good players whos been at the club for a while now, guessing they might be good team leaders in the dressing room along with Ream. O'Riley NEEDS to be given more or less a starting role. For me, a midfield triangle with Kmac, Cariney and O'Riley would be very interesting indeed. I do think the midfield would benefit from some more muscles, and I think that a new signing here would be needed. We've got a bunch of good youngsters for rotation,
Wingers
Sess
Babel
Markovic
(Elliott)
With Ayités and Kebanos contract expiring, its time to say goodbye. Sess, Babel and Markovic should do the job in the Championship and I dont think Spurs or anyone else are willing to go for Sess in the summer. Im not a huge fan of Markovic, but we dont have a bottomless transfer chest so we need to prioritize this summer. In the long term, I think we should be looking for a really good winger and slowly slot the likes of Harvey Elliott into the first team.
Strikers
Mitrovic
<New player>
Mitrovic is basically all we need. Anyone wants to buy him, they will have to pay. A lot. Kamara will never set foot on CC again, and frankly dont think Fonte is keen on being a back up again. We should be looking for an exciting striker, preferably from the Championship, to back up Mitrovic.
OUT:
Rico and/or Fabricio
Nordtveit
Chambers
Le Marchand
Odioi(?)
Anguissa
Seri
Kebano
Ayité
Schürrle
Vietto
IN:
New back up GK
New CB
New back up LB
New DM/CM
New back up striker
Could be important how the new Manager deals with the promotion players from 2018.
Are these players excited to get promoted (again) so that we can (try to) replace them with someone "better"...
Betts, Johansen, McDonald, Odoi, Ream, Kebano, Ayite, Cisse, Fonte, Cyrus
If a large portion of them, all the loans and the stars (Sess, Cairney, Mitro, Seri) leave....we have to start completely from scratch
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 07, 2019, 10:34:30 PM
Quote from: filham on March 07, 2019, 09:55:40 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 07, 2019, 02:27:22 AM
Those 23 observations have to all work, and that's a big ask with the club in the hands of the wrong director of football.
There is more chance of a one legged man winning a bum kicking contest.
Taking account of all those reasons an increase in pay at 7th in the premier league Watford, close enough to London, would surely be more attractive to him.
Mitrovoic is under contract near 2023, so Watford want him they can pay £45m and for that price they'll demand a pay cut. The only way Mitrovoic can leave with a pay rise is, if the transfer fee is so enormous FFC want him to leave. Given that we arent the best at spending money ons strikers (e.g. Fonte), for me that figure would have to really really enormous to encourage Mitro to leave.
If Mitrovic, or any player , wants top class football and therefore doesn't want to play for us they will achieve a move, We will not want unhappy players in our squad and therefore we can only make the best of the situation by securing a high transfer fee.
However big the fee we get for Mitrovic you can be all but certain that it will be wasted on a less capable striker like Fonte, Marlet, and the Greek guy we hardly saw.
If Parker could persuade Mitrovic to stay next season that would be tremendous but really it is too much to hope for.