Both have sadly looked out of their depth in the premier league especially sess. I'm not sure any premier league club will come in for them.
We could do with them in the championship next year.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on March 09, 2019, 05:15:55 PM
Both have sadly looked out of their depth in the premier league especially sess. I'm not sure any premier league club will come in for them.
We could do with them in the championship next year.
Agree, don't think they'll be a queue for them.
Cairney's looked decent at times, although been played out of position too much & a bit too early for sess at this level. Probably not helped with him being in & out of a crap team either.
Not for a price that would justify us letting them go
I've said before and had my nose bitten off for it,but just maybe Sess looked better under the way we played under Slava last season,and that is as good as he is going to get,seen it before with teenage players.
I hope not.
A good post. I think we are mis-managing Sess. He is too young and needs more development time to be good for the PL.
He may need to go to a big club and sit on the bench for half a season to learn.
And Football is a cruel game, plenty of 17 year olds are not good enough at 19... they develop the wrong way.
TC is fine, IMV. He is like most Burnley, BHA, CP, Watford players .... top quality for CS, average for PL.
In season 2018/2019 , not by any stretch of the imagination are either remotely good enough to be playing in The Premier League,
Sess should be taken out of the firing line for the rest of the season, for his own good and for the good of the club, continue to play him and his value will continue to fall,
Lacks bravery for me , is that something that can be coached though ?
I question whether anyone in the Premier League will come in and pay the money we would ask for Mitro. He is under contract & we may chose to pay his wages with parachute money. He of course may not like that idea but he would score more goals
I think it was Statto who said we should keep the lot and only let those who we can replace with Premier League quality players go (like Wolves did). They owe us a season in the Championship. I couldn't agree more with this.
Quote from: The Old Count on March 09, 2019, 06:04:27 PM
I think it was Statto who said we should keep the lot and only let those who we can replace with Premier League quality players go (like Wolves did). They owe us a season in the Championship. I couldn't agree more with this.
If we could keep them and get a new defence we'd have a very strong team
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 09, 2019, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: The Old Count on March 09, 2019, 06:04:27 PM
I think it was Statto who said we should keep the lot and only let those who we can replace with Premier League quality players go (like Wolves did). They owe us a season in the Championship. I couldn't agree more with this.
If we could keep them and get a new defence we'd have a very strong team
Well...whomever has scouted defensively in the last summer needs to do a much better job after this season is over.
Still need a CB that is tall AND fast. (no, not Mawson)
Still need a RB with size and pace...or Ryan Fredericks.
Like I said...Mitro, Sess and Cairney will be here next season. Anguissa too. But they need a better defense behind them.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on March 09, 2019, 06:17:46 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 09, 2019, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: The Old Count on March 09, 2019, 06:04:27 PM
I think it was Statto who said we should keep the lot and only let those who we can replace with Premier League quality players go (like Wolves did). They owe us a season in the Championship. I couldn't agree more with this.
If we could keep them and get a new defence we'd have a very strong team
Well...whomever has scouted defensively in the last summer needs to do a much better job after this season is over.
Still need a CB that is tall AND fast. (no, not Mawson)
Still need a RB with size and pace...or Ryan Fredericks.
Like I said...Mitro, Sess and Cairney will be here next season. Anguissa too. But they need a better defense behind them.
If a bid comes in Mitro will be gone, people say he loves the club but he would love any club as long as he felt that love back from the fans
He will be at a top 6 club come next season, the guy is class and a classic centre forward. Chris smalling said going up agaisnt Mitro was the toughest game he had played in.
Quote from: DevonFFC on March 09, 2019, 06:26:22 PM
If a bid comes in Mitro will be gone, people say he loves the club but he would love any club as long as he felt that love back from the fans
He will be at a top 6 club come next season, the guy is class and a classic centre forward. Chris smalling said going up agaisnt Mitro was the toughest game he had played in.
He's on a 4-year contract so going nowhere unless we let him.
If a bid comes from a top 6 side IMO it would be totally unfair to keep him... But I don't see him going to a top 6 team
As much as I love him you cannot say he's in the same league as Aguero Salah, Hazard...
However he does still have significantly more right to be in a top 6 team than Chris Smalling. But for that reason I don't attach much value to Smalling's comment about him.
Sess is a young player with lots of potential. Not so sure about TC. He's in his footballing prime now, age wise and he's struggled all season.
Quote from: Statto on March 09, 2019, 06:34:58 PM
Quote from: DevonFFC on March 09, 2019, 06:26:22 PM
If a bid comes in Mitro will be gone, people say he loves the club but he would love any club as long as he felt that love back from the fans
He will be at a top 6 club come next season, the guy is class and a classic centre forward. Chris smalling said going up agaisnt Mitro was the toughest game he had played in.
He's on a 4-year contract so going nowhere unless we let him.
If a bid comes from a top 6 side IMO it would be totally unfair to keep him... But I don't see him going to a top 6 team
As much as I love him you cannot say he's in the same league as Aguero Salah, Hazard...
However he does still have significantly more right to be in a top 6 team than Chris Smalling. But for that reason I don't attach much value to Smalling's comment about him.
I must have missed that. What did Smalling say Statto?
Quote from: Twig on March 09, 2019, 06:40:11 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 09, 2019, 06:34:58 PM
Quote from: DevonFFC on March 09, 2019, 06:26:22 PM
If a bid comes in Mitro will be gone, people say he loves the club but he would love any club as long as he felt that love back from the fans
He will be at a top 6 club come next season, the guy is class and a classic centre forward. Chris smalling said going up agaisnt Mitro was the toughest game he had played in.
He's on a 4-year contract so going nowhere unless we let him.
If a bid comes from a top 6 side IMO it would be totally unfair to keep him... But I don't see him going to a top 6 team
As much as I love him you cannot say he's in the same league as Aguero Salah, Hazard...
However he does still have significantly more right to be in a top 6 team than Chris Smalling. But for that reason I don't attach much value to Smalling's comment about him.
I must have missed that. What did Smalling say Statto?
He offers something completely different to those who you mentioned, he offers a top club a plan B.
I think he loved by many at the club but actually understated in terms of how good he can be.
Tottenham came in for him in Jan, are they not a top 6 club?
Quote from: Statto on March 09, 2019, 06:34:58 PM
Quote from: DevonFFC on March 09, 2019, 06:26:22 PM
If a bid comes in Mitro will be gone, people say he loves the club but he would love any club as long as he felt that love back from the fans
He will be at a top 6 club come next season, the guy is class and a classic centre forward. Chris smalling said going up agaisnt Mitro was the toughest game he had played in.
He's on a 4-year contract so going nowhere unless we let him.
If a bid comes from a top 6 side IMO it would be totally unfair to keep him... But I don't see him going to a top 6 team
As much as I love him you cannot say he's in the same league as Aguero Salah, Hazard...
However he does still have significantly more right to be in a top 6 team than Chris Smalling. But for that reason I don't attach much value to Smalling's comment about him.
Rumour is that Mitrovoic got a bid from Tottenham of £27m over the winter, IMO if he wants to go FFC would need to get nearer £40m, which he'd need to take a pay cut in order to get. And, i'd only think he'd take a huge pay cut if he is going to start regularly, which at Tottenham might be hard with Kane and Son.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 09, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 09, 2019, 06:34:58 PM
Quote from: DevonFFC on March 09, 2019, 06:26:22 PM
If a bid comes in Mitro will be gone, people say he loves the club but he would love any club as long as he felt that love back from the fans
He will be at a top 6 club come next season, the guy is class and a classic centre forward. Chris smalling said going up agaisnt Mitro was the toughest game he had played in.
He's on a 4-year contract so going nowhere unless we let him.
If a bid comes from a top 6 side IMO it would be totally unfair to keep him... But I don't see him going to a top 6 team
As much as I love him you cannot say he's in the same league as Aguero Salah, Hazard...
However he does still have significantly more right to be in a top 6 team than Chris Smalling. But for that reason I don't attach much value to Smalling's comment about him.
Rumour is that Mitrovoic got a bid from Tottenham of £27m over the winter, IMO if he wants to go FFC would need to get nearer £40m, which he'd need to take a pay cut in order to get. And, i'd only think he'd take a huge pay cut if he is going to start regularly, which at Tottenham might be hard with Kane and Son.
Mitro wants to play he wont do that at a top 6 club, he'd be a bench warmer
Any premiership team would bite your hand off for Sess
I think Cairney, Sess and Mitrovic will all want to play in the premier league next season and we will not be able to keep them against their will.
The really hard truth is that their transfer value will have dropped over this season.
Quote from: filham on March 09, 2019, 09:50:33 PM
I think Cairney, Sess and Mitrovic will all want to play in the premier league next season and we will not be able to keep them against their will.
The really hard truth is that their transfer value will have dropped over this season.
Mitro maybe,but Tom and Sess aren't good enough for the premier.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 09, 2019, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: filham on March 09, 2019, 09:50:33 PM
I think Cairney, Sess and Mitrovic will all want to play in the premier league next season and we will not be able to keep them against their will.
The really hard truth is that their transfer value will have dropped over this season.
Mitro maybe,but Tom and Sess aren't good enough for the premier.
And Mitro isn't really worth 60 million, which the Khans can request...or they can keep him.
All 3 will be back as Whites next season. People aren't going to be biting anyone's hands off to bring in Ryan Sessegnon. Last year isn't this year...and he hasn't adjusted to better competition. Luv him...but he's not ready to start for a premiere league side.
Jadon Sancho though...people would be hungry for that young man right now.
I'd be worried about Dortmund trying to get Ryan though. They are good with young talent.
only newly promoted clubs would have a go at sess and cairney imho and even then I can't see it. sess might now be bought by a top club because his value will have plummeted dramatically, but immediately farmed out on loan to see if he comes good.
for quite some time now mitro hasn't looked top 6 and like someone else said elsewhere if mitro doesn't fancy the championship theres plenty of options abroad - not just the prem.
a lot depends on what wages they're on and if there any relegation clauses
Quote from: TC's Sporran on March 10, 2019, 10:27:19 AM
only newly promoted clubs would have a go at sess and cairney imho and even then I can't see it. sess might now be bought by a top club because his value will have plummeted dramatically, but immediately farmed out on loan to see if he comes good.
for quite some time now mitro hasn't looked top 6 and like someone else said elsewhere if mitro doesn't fancy the championship theres plenty of options abroad - not just the prem.
a lot depends on what wages they're on and if there any relegation clauses
Many havnt fancied it and to be honest not would most strikers feeding of scrapes, chasing lost causes and playing isolated for vast majority of the games.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 09, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 09, 2019, 06:34:58 PM
Quote from: DevonFFC on March 09, 2019, 06:26:22 PM
If a bid comes in Mitro will be gone, people say he loves the club but he would love any club as long as he felt that love back from the fans
He will be at a top 6 club come next season, the guy is class and a classic centre forward. Chris smalling said going up agaisnt Mitro was the toughest game he had played in.
He's on a 4-year contract so going nowhere unless we let him.
If a bid comes from a top 6 side IMO it would be totally unfair to keep him... But I don't see him going to a top 6 team
As much as I love him you cannot say he's in the same league as Aguero Salah, Hazard...
However he does still have significantly more right to be in a top 6 team than Chris Smalling. But for that reason I don't attach much value to Smalling's comment about him.
Rumour is that Mitrovoic got a bid from Tottenham of £27m over the winter, IMO if he wants to go FFC would need to get nearer £40m, which he'd need to take a pay cut in order to get. And, i'd only think he'd take a huge pay cut if he is going to start regularly, which at Tottenham might be hard with Kane and Son.
There is a reason the big, slow footed strikers Spurs buy are a flop. Their system does not fit those types with the high pressure to win the ball back. The only top 6 team which Mitro would work/play at is Chelsea, and they can't buy him.
Everton and West Ham are the only two Prem clubs I could see buying him for the price Fulham would need. To me the issue is not how much the club need to sell him for, but how much they would need to sell him for to buy another striker to replace him. I am sure we can all remember the difficulty the Khans have had in this area. They have owned the club for 5 yrs and every ST no matter the cost has flopped except Mitro.
:dead horse:
Quote from: WolverineFFC on March 10, 2019, 01:00:38 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 09, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 09, 2019, 06:34:58 PM
Quote from: DevonFFC on March 09, 2019, 06:26:22 PM
If a bid comes in Mitro will be gone, people say he loves the club but he would love any club as long as he felt that love back from the fans
He will be at a top 6 club come next season, the guy is class and a classic centre forward. Chris smalling said going up agaisnt Mitro was the toughest game he had played in.
He's on a 4-year contract so going nowhere unless we let him.
If a bid comes from a top 6 side IMO it would be totally unfair to keep him... But I don't see him going to a top 6 team
As much as I love him you cannot say he's in the same league as Aguero Salah, Hazard...
However he does still have significantly more right to be in a top 6 team than Chris Smalling. But for that reason I don't attach much value to Smalling's comment about him.
Rumour is that Mitrovoic got a bid from Tottenham of £27m over the winter, IMO if he wants to go FFC would need to get nearer £40m, which he'd need to take a pay cut in order to get. And, i'd only think he'd take a huge pay cut if he is going to start regularly, which at Tottenham might be hard with Kane and Son.
There is a reason the big, slow footed strikers Spurs buy are a flop. Their system does not fit those types with the high pressure to win the ball back. The only top 6 team which Mitro would work/play at is Chelsea, and they can't buy him.
Everton and West Ham are the only two Prem clubs I could see buying him for the price Fulham would need. To me the issue is not how much the club need to sell him for, but how much they would need to sell him for to buy another striker to replace him. I am sure we can all remember the difficulty the Khans have had in this area. They have owned the club for 5 yrs and every ST no matter the cost has flopped except Mitro.
:dead horse:
Exactly, the Khans need 45m to replace him minimium and he won't get that unless his salary is zero, so don't sell him.
My answer is yes. In typical Fulham fan fashion, we praise when they're playing good and slate in absolutes when they're playing bad.
Sess is our leader in assist but looked scared to play in the first half. He looked good against Chelsea though. I think a good manager will find him as a wingback, or play off a very fast striker to get behind the lines.
Cairney is one of a kind to me. He maintains the ball so well, which is critical for a central midfielder. He can distribute. He just hasn't scored yet, but he's been close. There's a reason some top managers haven't changed their stance on wanting to sign him.
If a bid comes from a top 6 side IMO it would be totally unfair to keep him... But I don't see him going to a top 6 team
As much as I love him you cannot say he's in the same league as Aguero Salah, Hazard...
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I also doubt top 6 would be interested in Mitro. Don't get me wrong, I love Mitro, and it's nice to have a big presence in the box, who is a fighter and challenges all the time. But with that, he needs a supporting cast. And also, he's quite slow. Saw the Wolves transition goal in todays' game, and no way does FFC score on that play or get anywhere near to a scoring chance if one of the two rushing players is Mitro. I'm sure there will be some interest in Mitro, I guess we'll have to wait and see. But I agree with you here, as much as we all like him, he is really not in the elite class of goal scorers in the PL.