You'd damn well hope that we are on the case and doing our homework while Parker auditions. How many think that we may well get to season close with Parker not proving up to it (happy to be proved wrong) before beginning our search?
Really hope we are looking now as this is the perfect opportunity to take time with researching the best fit and interviewing without a time/league position pressure.
I notice Slav to West Brom has potentially hit the rocks with them looking at other candidates. Some saying he wants 2m a year and WBA won't pay it. I wonder if that was what he was after at Fulham and hence never signed a long deal?
A certain José Mourinho is unemployed.
I would hope we continually have our eyes open for likely managers in the same way we do players but right now we should be developing a short list which includes Parker.
A definate appointment needs to be made by the end of the season and the new manager must be involved in early recruitment.
Quote from: filham on March 13, 2019, 11:49:04 AM
I would hope we continually have our eyes open for likely managers in the same way we do players but right now we should be developing a short list which includes Parker.
A definate appointment needs to be made by the end of the season and the new manager must be involved in early recruitment.
Exactly. I can't think of anything worse than players reporting back with no manager in place. I wouldn't put it past them.
When Ranieri left i posted on here the possibility of using the period similar to Tigana's introduction a couple of months before he took over allowing him to have a look first. This time they've no need to announce new manager just ask him to start preparations from a far that's if they have identified a new manager?
Agree with the OP
Do not see Parker as the solution sorry
Given how slow we are with player recruitment generally, the club need to be burning the midnight oil to get this done and a new manager confirmed asap
Negotiating contract extensions, deciding who goes/stays, bringing in new coaching staff, deciding who to target in the summer, planning pre-season friendlies... all needs to start well in advance of the summer window opening on 1 June
I'd be baffled if FFC are not actively looking for a number of alternatives to Parker.
After all, it cannot be just an ascension to a full time position if, and it's entirely possible, he doesn't even win a game in his caretaker period.
I know, let's start a Big Sam thread.....
Quote from: filham on March 13, 2019, 11:49:04 AM
I would hope we continually have our eyes open for likely managers in the same way we do players but right now we should be developing a short list which includes Parker.
A definate appointment needs to be made by the end of the season and the new manager must be involved in early recruitment.
I would hope we continually have our eyes open for likely managers in the same way we do players but right now we should be developing a short list which includes Parker.If the way
we keep an eye out for players is anything to go by I certainly hope your statement now in bold is not true .
I do not mean to offend the post as your point is good but our recuritment is clearly an open wound at the moment.
I have this awful feeling that Parker has already been given the nod, and will be in place by the time we kick off in the Championship.
Don't know why, and I haven't been told anything, I've just got this awful feeling, and it's something that our owners are most likely to do.
I don't have anything against Parker, nice chap, gets on well with the players, has a bit of clout around the Club, but we're going to need a good experienced coach to deal with the Championship next season.
Based on this seasons calamitous events, I fully expect the owners to be scouring the market, for the best possible replacement to Jokanovic.
If we go with Parker, I can see it being another Kit situation, where we set ourselves back 2-3 years, where we need to bounce back straight away.
I think Fulham are now a lot less attractive proposition for managers, certainly after the way the last two have been treated, and especially considering the frankly bonkers recruitment strategy.
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on March 13, 2019, 01:18:08 PM
I have this awful feeling that Parker has already been given the nod, and will be in place by the time we kick off in the Championship.
Don't know why, and I haven't been told anything, I've just got this awful feeling, and it's something that our owners are most likely to do.
I don't have anything against Parker, nice chap, gets on well with the players, has a bit of clout around the Club, but we're going to need a good experienced coach to deal with the Championship next season.
Based on this seasons calamitous events, I fully expect the owners to be scouring the market, for the best possible replacement to Jokanovic.
If we go with Parker, I can see it being another Kit situation, where we set ourselves back 2-3 years, where we need to bounce back straight away.
There's this Serbian bloke that's available. Can't for the life of me remember his name. But got a couple of teams up and plays blinding football. Seems to get the best out of others failures.
Itll come to me later I'm sure....
Quote from: Statto on March 13, 2019, 12:25:23 PM
Agree with the OP
Do not see Parker as the solution sorry
Given how slow we are with player recruitment generally, the club need to be burning the midnight oil to get this done and a new manager confirmed asap
Negotiating contract extensions, deciding who goes/stays, bringing in new coaching staff, deciding who to target in the summer, planning pre-season friendlies... all needs to start well in advance of the summer window opening on 1 June
Scott Parker only stopped playing two seasons ago, he needs more experience even if he was good. I doubt his good, because this season one of his jobs was to advise the manager. And, if wasn't advising the manager to avoid obvious mistakes or if he is just not very persuasive or he is too inexperienced to be taken seriously, then he may not be ready yet for Fulham Manager yet.
There are at least three situations where Scott Parker needed to bring good persuasive advice to the Manager including i) when Slavisa selected at idoitically defensive bench against Hudderfield (Christie, Chambers, Mawson, Ream, McDonald and Johnson) so had no attacking options when we feel behind, ii) when Raneri made a similar error by subsituting and attacking player Schullre with a more defensive player Christie (rather than Sess, Atyie or Kebano) and iii) lastly not starting the Crystal Palace game with a formation/player closer to the second half against Brighton.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 13, 2019, 01:36:58 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 13, 2019, 12:25:23 PM
Agree with the OP
Do not see Parker as the solution sorry
Given how slow we are with player recruitment generally, the club need to be burning the midnight oil to get this done and a new manager confirmed asap
Negotiating contract extensions, deciding who goes/stays, bringing in new coaching staff, deciding who to target in the summer, planning pre-season friendlies... all needs to start well in advance of the summer window opening on 1 June
Scott Parker only stopped playing two seasons ago, he needs more experience even if he was good. I doubt his good, because this season one of his jobs was to advise the manager. And, if wasn't advising the manager to avoid obvious mistakes or if he is just not very persuasive or he is too inexperienced to be taken seriously, then he may not be ready yet for Fulham Manager yet.
There are at least three situations where Scott Parker needed to bring good persuasive advice to the Manager including i) when Slavisa selected at idoitically defensive bench against Hudderfield (Christie, Chambers, Mawson, Ream, McDonald and Johnson) so had no attacking options when we feel behind, ii) when Raneri made a similar error by subsituting and attacking player Schullre with a more defensive player Christie (rather than Sess, Atyie or Kebano) and iii) lastly not starting the Crystal Palace game with a formation/player closer to the second half against Brighton.
I'm not sure about Scott, but I don't follow this line of argument. Lampard and Gerrard walked straight in to jobs, Parker has the same level of experience as them. As for input, who knew what he said in each situation and whether he was overruled or ignored, or even if he agreed.
He may have advocated the 2nd half against Brighton team for the following game, I'm sure he did, by all accounts it was his half time speech that galvanised the team.
Mourinho would be amazing one day, but would play similar football to Ranieri and that's the least likely thing to go down well at this present moment. Unfortunately...
There is no telling how well a Manager will do whether experienced like Ranners or Scotty with little experience. The overriding factor will be the recruitment of players for the Championship and whether any Manager has an input to that process.
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on March 13, 2019, 02:04:17 PM
There is no telling how well a Manager will do whether experienced like Ranners or Scotty with little experience. The overriding factor will be the recruitment of players for the Championship and whether any Manager has an input to that process.
Manchester United are moving away form input from the manager to the Director of Football model. ManUtd now think their lack of recent success is related to listing to the manager too much, they leave recruitment to football expert that doesn't decide team selection.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 13, 2019, 02:44:18 PM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on March 13, 2019, 02:04:17 PM
There is no telling how well a Manager will do whether experienced like Ranners or Scotty with little experience. The overriding factor will be the recruitment of players for the Championship and whether any Manager has an input to that process.
Manchester United are moving away form input from the manager to the Director of Football model. ManUtd now think their lack of recent success is related to listing to the manager too much, they leave recruitment to football expert that doesn't decide team selection.
I guess that depends on the Football expert to.
For me, if he wants to get back into it after quite a draining spell - I think David Wagner has to be the leading candidate. It seems the no brainier to me.
I think it can never be understated managerial experience of getting promoted from the Championship. Its a skill to do it - Warnock, Dyche, Slavisa, Bruce, Holloway are examples of managers who have the knack and have done it multiple times.
Compared to capable managers who continue to try and fail - Monk, Rowett, McClaren.
Parker at the moment is not up to it, if ever. Parker would be Kit II.
I think due to the discontent of the fans and the clubs decision making, its not a moment to think too far outside of the box, or take a high risk punt .
One would hope that two relegations are focussing the minds of the owner and his entourage. Some interesting names are doing the rounds at the moment and nine games on there might be a couple more. Scott Parker could be on to a hiding to nothing here. Many had written off any chance of getting more points this season before Ranieri went so anything SP gets is a bonus. On the other hand though the March fixtures would kill most teams in the bottom six so do we offer some flexibility with that when we come to analyse SP's credentials as the season winds to a close?
Quote from: Twig on March 13, 2019, 12:48:16 PM
I know, let's start a Big Sam thread.....
You've likely given a rumor monger in the press all the info he needs to write his "Fulham linked with Allardyce" article for the week.
Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on March 13, 2019, 01:32:39 PM
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on March 13, 2019, 01:18:08 PM
I have this awful feeling that Parker has already been given the nod, and will be in place by the time we kick off in the Championship.
Don't know why, and I haven't been told anything, I've just got this awful feeling, and it's something that our owners are most likely to do.
I don't have anything against Parker, nice chap, gets on well with the players, has a bit of clout around the Club, but we're going to need a good experienced coach to deal with the Championship next season.
Based on this seasons calamitous events, I fully expect the owners to be scouring the market, for the best possible replacement to Jokanovic.
If we go with Parker, I can see it being another Kit situation, where we set ourselves back 2-3 years, where we need to bounce back straight away.
There's this Serbian bloke that's available. Can't for the life of me remember his name. But got a couple of teams up and plays blinding football. Seems to get the best out of others failures.
Itll come to me later I'm sure....
I think that he would be a good choice, proven Championship manager, however there would need to be a lot of pride swallowing from both sides, not very likely unfortunately.
Quote from: Take Me Home MAF on March 13, 2019, 02:47:09 PM
For me, if he wants to get back into it after quite a draining spell - I think David Wagner has to be the leading candidate. It seems the no brainier to me.
I think it can never be understated managerial experience of getting promoted from the Championship. Its a skill to do it - Warnock, Dyche, Slavisa, Bruce, Holloway are examples of managers who have the knack and have done it multiple times.
Compared to capable managers who continue to try and fail - Monk, Rowett, McClaren.
Parker at the moment is not up to it, if ever. Parker would be Kit II.
I think due to the discontent of the fans and the clubs decision making, its not a moment to think too far outside of the box, or take a high risk punt .
David Wagner has to be on any short list, long time since we had a German influence.
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One thing Fulham need to concentrate on in the next few weeks is to ensure that the link between the Owners, DOF and Head coach is one that actually works. With one just concentrating on identifying players will not work without input from the Head coach. We all new our weak links at the beginning of the season and still we have no effective defensive unit. Our Owner needs his management skills to be more effective and not just passing the blame on to the head coach.
Regarding all the optimistic hopes about new manager scouting, new players likewise, I would respectfully throw in the expression 'don't hold your breath'. This is Fulham don't forget.
We should start this thread again after victories over Liverpool and City, there could be a few mind changes.
Quote from: Take Me Home MAF on March 13, 2019, 02:47:09 PM
I think David Wagner has to be the leading candidate. It seems the no brainier to me.
I think it can never be understated managerial experience of getting promoted from the Championship. Its a skill to do it -
But Wagner was promoted in the most pathetic way possible. Squeaked into the play-offs with a goal difference befitting relegation candidates, then won both rounds on penalties, including a final against a woeful Reading team that finished 20th the following year. We beat Huddersfield 9-1 on aggregate that season - they weren't particularly good - and now his team is, somehow, even worse than us in the Premier League this year. Not for me, thanks.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 13, 2019, 02:44:18 PM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on March 13, 2019, 02:04:17 PM
There is no telling how well a Manager will do whether experienced like Ranners or Scotty with little experience. The overriding factor will be the recruitment of players for the Championship and whether any Manager has an input to that process.
Manchester United are moving away form input from the manager to the Director of Football model. ManUtd now think their lack of recent success is related to listing to the manager too much, they leave recruitment to football expert that doesn't decide team selection.
No wonder they don't win any trophies these days.
Who would have thought a 3rd tier Fulham could attract KEVIN KEEGAN to the Cottage - with enough ambition we could attract a proven top drawer manager like Mourinho. Depoends if he would like the challenge.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 13, 2019, 09:48:31 PM
Who would have thought a 3rd tier Fulham could attract KEVIN KEEGAN to the Cottage - with enough ambition we could attract a proven top drawer manager like Mourinho. Depoends if he would like the challenge.
I'm afraid Jose would make the place soul less
Just ask the Real Madrid players who were going to down tools if they took him back...As Delboy would say "No Way Pedro"
Quote from: Statto on March 13, 2019, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: Take Me Home MAF on March 13, 2019, 02:47:09 PM
I think David Wagner has to be the leading candidate. It seems the no brainier to me.
I think it can never be understated managerial experience of getting promoted from the Championship. Its a skill to do it -
But Wagner was promoted in the most pathetic way possible. Squeaked into the play-offs with a goal difference befitting relegation candidates, then won both rounds on penalties, including a final against a woeful Reading team that finished 20th the following year. We beat Huddersfield 9-1 on aggregate that season - they weren't particularly good - and now his team is, somehow, even worse than us in the Premier League this year. Not for me, thanks.
I'd like to hear more about David Wagner, I saw an interview with him and feel he maybe able to work better with "The Khans" than most and he has played for the USA. He would still know a lot of the team styles in the Championship and i imagine he would respect a stats based approach. And a large part of this seasons focus would have been trying to beat us, so may know our team better than you think. I don't much about him, would love to know more.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 14, 2019, 06:52:38 AM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 13, 2019, 09:48:31 PM
Who would have thought a 3rd tier Fulham could attract KEVIN KEEGAN to the Cottage - with enough ambition we could attract a proven top drawer manager like Mourinho. Depoends if he would like the challenge.
I'm afraid Jose would make the place soul less
Just ask the Real Madrid players who were going to down tools if they took him back...As Delboy would say "No Way Pedro"
The Young Jose Mourinho mentioned in 1996 that even Sir Bobby Robson failed at his first club, that club was Fulham FC which i'm sure he knew. As assistant manager and close friend of Sir Bobby Robson, I'm sure he also knew that Bobby Robson found out he was sacked outside Putney station on an Evening Standard placard "Robson sacked". Jose Mourinho will be asking "50 years later are things much different at Fulham FC?". Pep Guardiola was a player under Bobby Robson, also knew he was sacked harshly by us.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 13, 2019, 01:36:58 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 13, 2019, 12:25:23 PM
Agree with the OP
Do not see Parker as the solution sorry
Given how slow we are with player recruitment generally, the club need to be burning the midnight oil to get this done and a new manager confirmed asap
Negotiating contract extensions, deciding who goes/stays, bringing in new coaching staff, deciding who to target in the summer, planning pre-season friendlies... all needs to start well in advance of the summer window opening on 1 June
Scott Parker only stopped playing two seasons ago, he needs more experience even if he was good. I doubt his good, because this season one of his jobs was to advise the manager. And, if wasn't advising the manager to avoid obvious mistakes or if he is just not very persuasive or he is too inexperienced to be taken seriously, then he may not be ready yet for Fulham Manager yet.
There are at least three situations where Scott Parker needed to bring good persuasive advice to the Manager including i) when Slavisa selected at idoitically defensive bench against Hudderfield (Christie, Chambers, Mawson, Ream, McDonald and Johnson) so had no attacking options when we feel behind, ii) when Raneri made a similar error by subsituting and attacking player Schullre with a more defensive player Christie (rather than Sess, Atyie or Kebano) and iii) lastly not starting the Crystal Palace game with a formation/player closer to the second half against Brighton.
I got the message that one of Jocanovic's main characteristics was that he was obstinate and that no coaching assistant stood a chance of influencing him on things like substitutions.