After witnessing the poor distribution of Betts on Saturday is it worth giving this guy another go?
Quote from: Jimmy Hill on August 06, 2019, 10:33:12 AM
After witnessing the poor distribution of Betts on Saturday is it worth giving this guy another go?
Absolutely. Bettinelli has proved far too often how average he is. If Fabri is willing to honour his contract, we should play him. Or if not, give Rodak a chance.
In a word, no.
Why would you want the manager to panic and drop Betts after just one game? That is madness
Quote from: Andy S on August 06, 2019, 11:13:00 AM
Why would you want the manager to panic and drop Betts after just one game? That is madness
Happened to Fabri unfairly, but Rico was going to be our 1st choice. Bettinelli doesn't deserve to be No 1 as he's not our best keeper.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on August 06, 2019, 11:16:10 AM
Quote from: Andy S on August 06, 2019, 11:13:00 AM
Why would you want the manager to panic and drop Betts after just one game? That is madness
Happened to Fabri unfairly, but Rico was going to be our 1st choice. Bettinelli doesn't deserve to be No 1 as he's not our best keeper.
I think thats an unfair assumption. We have no idea why Fabri was dropped. I thought he looked suspect in pre season which followed through to his games at the start of the season. For all we know, his confidence was shot, he wasn't training well, or he had a chip on his shoulder. We don't know enough to say he should of shouldn't be dropped.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on August 06, 2019, 10:35:17 AM
Quote from: Jimmy Hill on August 06, 2019, 10:33:12 AM
After witnessing the poor distribution of Betts on Saturday is it worth giving this guy another go?
Absolutely. Bettinelli has proved far too often how average he is. If Fabri is willing to honour his contract, we should play him. Or if not, give Rodak a chance.
Both of these are not bad shouts.
Betts is a top notch one-on-one / point blank / reflex shot-stopper - up there with the best in this area I have seen at Fulham - but still has woeful command of his area and simply cannot deal with crosses / corners. Sadly his ability in this area is sub-Championship level, which has a knock-on effect to the defenders - it's been seen countless times the panic it causes in the box as they have no confidence he will deal with corners / free kicks. One area in a GK's game that has such a detrimental effect on the rest of the team if not right. As much as I like Betts as a person who clearly cares about the club, unfortunately I think this is the biggest area of weakness in our team presently.
Surely Fabri has the pedigree to be given another shot at Champ level (2 Prem games hardly a proper go at it)? He was successful at a "big club" in Turkey so reckon he deserves at least another go if attitude is right in training etc.
If not, then Rodak has looked solid and very promising in the games i've seen him in, plus has a full Champ season under his belt with Rotherham. Have only seen him play a handful of times but looks like a good prospect and a big guy who - importantly - commands his area well.
Betts has had more shots than most and as much as I root for him to improve, sadly he doesn't show any tangible improvement in the weakest area of his game. Time to move on and give someone else a try for the sake of the team.
No.
Betts had a long time injured. Deserves to be given a run as he was a key player in our promotion season and the one prior to that.
He's not featured at all in pre season and looks to be on his way by Thursday.
Apparently he was the choice of Jokanovic's goalkeeping coach who left with him, so has been out in the cold ever since.
Personally I still think we need a number 1 as I'm not 100% certain of Bettenelli nor the back ups at the club.
Fabri, much like Seri and Anguissa, will be gone on Loan bu the time the European window closes
Quote from: Jimmy Hill on August 06, 2019, 10:33:12 AM
After witnessing the poor distribution of Betts on Saturday is it worth giving this guy another go?
No.
I agree with Fulham1959.
Nor do I think his distribution was poor.
Whilst I think Fabri the better keeper, it doesn't make sense to play him when he's not featured at all in pre-season. I think that ship has sailed.
It twould seem that Parker is putting his faith in Betts, we have to give him a run and hope that his performances in the first five or six game will show that he can command the post for the whole season.
We need to develop a settled side and certainly don't want to be chopping and changing keepers throughout the season.
For the record im a big betts fan and agree he should be given a run but also think they need a plan for his distribution. Slav had him kicking to the wingers as i assume if there is a turnover in that area in less dangerous than in the centre.
Im just wondering why Fabri has never had a chance since those first few Prem games is there anyone ITK on this?
Quote from: Jimmy Hill on August 06, 2019, 12:51:04 PM
For the record im a big betts fan and agree he should be given a run but also think they need a plan for his distribution. Slav had him kicking to the wingers as i assume if there is a turnover in that area in less dangerous than in the centre.
Im just wondering why Fabri has never had a chance since those first few Prem games is there anyone ITK on this?
I'd like to know this as well. I thought he was very harshly treated.
Quote from: Jimmy Hill on August 06, 2019, 12:51:04 PM
Im just wondering why Fabri has never had a chance since those first few Prem games is there anyone ITK on this?
I think the main reported problem was he couldn't speak a word of English and therefore couldn't communicate with the back 4. After that Rico signed and he was out of the picture.
I am not sure why anyone is even bothering to discussed this thread as Fabri will be with another club before the door shuts.
Betts to his credit claimed a number of high balls and crosses very well on Saturday. There are aspects to each keeper that aren't ideal; Betts is probably the best of the bunch for me right now.
Betts for me at any time. Fabri not big enough, he will get murdered in the Championship. Plus if he cannot speak English, it was an ill judged signing in the first place. Betts may not be perfect, but he is more good enough. What is the point of changing Betts for Fabri, madness.
Fabri is a total disaster area, we were conned. Cant catch a cross, to be fair he doesnt seem to want to be involved when the ball is in the air. Second he rushes out without any concern whether it is a good idea or not. Distribution is one thing but the inability or unwillingness to come for a cross is a a fundamental way to be useless in english football, that is fabri.
Quote from: ALG01 on August 06, 2019, 06:57:04 PM
Fabri is a total disaster area, we were conned. Cant catch a cross, to be fair he doesnt seem to want to be involved when the ball is in the air. Second he rushes out without any concern whether it is a good idea or not. Distribution is one thing but the inability or unwillingness to come for a cross is a a fundamental way to be useless in english football, that is fabri.
I'm starting to think that you're not actually a parody account, and you do believe everything you post.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on August 06, 2019, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on August 06, 2019, 06:57:04 PM
Fabri is a total disaster area, we were conned. Cant catch a cross, to be fair he doesnt seem to want to be involved when the ball is in the air. Second he rushes out without any concern whether it is a good idea or not. Distribution is one thing but the inability or unwillingness to come for a cross is a a fundamental way to be useless in english football, that is fabri.
I'm starting to think that you're not actually a parody account, and you do believe everything you post.
And i think you are stalking me because when i say black you say white. Not once, never have you agreed with me or said i see your point. Fabr iIMO rates with webster at catching crosses and basic ability. If you see something in him enlighten me, all you do is mock, you seem unable to discuss football matters
I am dumbfounded that anyone might consider for one iota that Fabri is a better 'keeper than Bettinelli!
Simply scandalous & Fabri far below the standard we need - that old goalkeeping coach who brought him in was rightly ousted.
Come on you Turks - make that offer for him!
Quote from: ALG01 on August 06, 2019, 07:09:55 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on August 06, 2019, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on August 06, 2019, 06:57:04 PM
Fabri is a total disaster area, we were conned. Cant catch a cross, to be fair he doesnt seem to want to be involved when the ball is in the air. Second he rushes out without any concern whether it is a good idea or not. Distribution is one thing but the inability or unwillingness to come for a cross is a a fundamental way to be useless in english football, that is fabri.
I'm starting to think that you're not actually a parody account, and you do believe everything you post.
And i think you are stalking me because when i say black you say white. Not once, never have you agreed with me or said i see your point. Fabr iIMO rates with webster at catching crosses and basic ability. If you see something in him enlighten me, all you do is mock, you seem unable to discuss football matters
For what it's worth Algo i'm With you on this one. Additionally I would point out that whilst people have criticised Betts' command of his area, Fabri showed all the calm of a scalded cat. He was prone to poor judgement and rushing off his line at inappropriate times. And before anyone asks, I saw all but one of his appearances (friendlies and competitive games). Betts may have his weaknesses but Fabri is not the answer and it can't be coincidence that more than one manager appears to have reached that conclusion.
Fabri should have been our number one after we were relegated, that would have given him a chance to prove himself. BTW, I wouldn't be shocked if Fabri is included in the Sessegnon deal, Spurs need a backup goalkeeper with excellent Champions League statistics.
The Preseason, Crystal Palace and Tottenham games ruined Fabri's career, i'm not sure we can throw away goalkeepers like disposable rags because you'll end up broke.
Bettinelli was a key player in our promotion season and got in to the England team at the start of last season before needed surgery, people that don't rate him obviously don't know their football.
Fabri is GOOD back up but Bettinelli is a better all round Gk.
Quote from: Chutney on August 07, 2019, 01:38:12 AM
Bettinelli was a key player in our promotion season and got in to the England team at the start of last season before needed surgery, people that don't rate him obviously don't know their football.
Fabri is GOOD back up but Bettinelli is a better all round Gk.
Both were excellent goalkeepers that were too good for Championship before 1st July 2018. Betts has had a injury, but Fabri is still fit and surely deserves a chance if Betts makes more mistakes.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 07, 2019, 01:41:03 AM
Quote from: Chutney on August 07, 2019, 01:38:12 AM
Bettinelli was a key player in our promotion season and got in to the England team at the start of last season before needed surgery, people that don't rate him obviously don't know their football.
Fabri is GOOD back up but Bettinelli is a better all round Gk.
Both were excellent goalkeepers that were too good for Championship before 1st July 2018. Betts has a injury, but Fabri is still fit and surely learnt a little english now.
Yes he learnt how to say " Help I am too short and out of my depth in England ".
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 07, 2019, 01:45:18 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 07, 2019, 01:41:03 AM
Quote from: Chutney on August 07, 2019, 01:38:12 AM
Bettinelli was a key player in our promotion season and got in to the England team at the start of last season before needed surgery, people that don't rate him obviously don't know their football.
Fabri is GOOD back up but Bettinelli is a better all round Gk.
Both were excellent goalkeepers that were too good for Championship before 1st July 2018. Betts has a injury, but Fabri is still fit and surely learnt a little english now.
Yes he learnt how to say " Help I am too short and out of my depth in England ".
If Betts fail, we have Fabri and Rodak as a one/ two combination that's what i call squad depth and frankly if they all fail we need a new goalkeeping coach. We have three decent goalkeepers, which is two more than i can say for RCB, LB, DM, AM and CF.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 07, 2019, 02:31:06 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 07, 2019, 01:45:18 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 07, 2019, 01:41:03 AM
Quote from: Chutney on August 07, 2019, 01:38:12 AM
Bettinelli was a key player in our promotion season and got in to the England team at the start of last season before needed surgery, people that don't rate him obviously don't know their football.
Fabri is GOOD back up but Bettinelli is a better all round Gk.
Both were excellent goalkeepers that were too good for Championship before 1st July 2018. Betts has a injury, but Fabri is still fit and surely learnt a little english now.
Yes he learnt how to say " Help I am too short and out of my depth in England ".
If Betts fail, we have Fabri and Rodak as a one/ two combination that's what i call squad depth. We have three decent goalkeepers, which is two more than i can say for RCB, LB, DM, AM and CF.
I can more or less agree with you on those observations.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 07, 2019, 12:11:10 AM
Fabri should have been our number one after we were relegated, that would have given him a chance to prove himself. BTW, I wouldn't be shocked if Fabri is included in the Sessegnon deal, Spurs need a backup goalkeeper with excellent Champions League statistics.
The Preseason, Crystal Palace and Tottenham games ruined Fabri's career, i'm not sure we can throw away goalkeepers like disposable rags because you'll end up broke.
Haha, it wasn't just pre season he did get a chance albeit brief at season start. He fluffed that too. Fabri May have suffered a crisis of confidence, he may be a bit better than what we saw but there has been nothing to suggest Spuds would want/ need a player of his level.
Quote from: Twig on August 07, 2019, 05:32:03 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 07, 2019, 12:11:10 AM
Fabri should have been our number one after we were relegated, that would have given him a chance to prove himself. BTW, I wouldn't be shocked if Fabri is included in the Sessegnon deal, Spurs need a backup goalkeeper with excellent Champions League statistics.
The Preseason, Crystal Palace and Tottenham games ruined Fabri's career, i'm not sure we can throw away goalkeepers like disposable rags because you'll end up broke.
Haha, it wasn't just pre season he did get a chance albeit brief at season start. He fluffed that too. Fabri May have suffered a crisis of confidence, he may be a bit better than what we saw but there has been nothing to suggest Spuds would want/ need a player of his level.
Fabri has faced Mauricio Pochettino's teams, Espanol and Tottenham, four times in his career (plus being on the bench in Jan 2009), and he had given up one goal in the first three games before that career ruining Tottenham match.
My God, it's been one match. Calm down and lets see how things pay out before chopping and swapping.
I will admit that Fabri got a bad deal last year but that is no reason to go crazy.