After that, I thought we played some really good stuff. That was the first time that I've seen mawson and thought wow, he is solid. Didn't put a foot wrong and dominated the Center of defence. Rodak forgetting the goal was immense. Odoi fantastic at the back and going forwards. Bryan the same. Ream grew into the game. Was a tough game for the middle 3 but they came out on top. Bobby helped to put us on the front foot, cav and knock should have scored, but worked tirelessly. And then we get to kamara, as everyone on here knows, I'm a huge fan of him. He covered every blade of grass today, he was winning the headers in attack and just as importantly in defence at set pieces. His pace allows us to spring a high press, his passing accuracy must of been in the high 80s, and he took his goals well. Yes Parker had us under cooked for kick off, but he eventually served us up a mitchelin star meal. Well played all, well played
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No disrespect but I must have watched a different game !
Quote from: One Martin Thomas on November 22, 2019, 10:03:07 PM
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No disrespect but I must have watched a different game !
You should have watched our game then. You missed a good entertaining local derby.
Thought we were very average and certainly not automatic promotion.
Think it was pretty even between the 20'th minute and Bobby coming on. Started playing some good stuff after that.
Still never comfortable seeing how easily teams can get through the back four at times, but a win is a win at the end of the day.
I'm afraid we got lucky tonight.
Still a happy journey home..Coyw
Classic game of halves. 1st 45 we were shocking and lucky to still be in the game. 2nd half promising, more incisive and getting the ball into advanced positions quicker and we could have got 3 or 4.
Happy with the win and the three points, very happy with the electric 10-15 minutes of the second half, but not happy at all with the last 15 minutes. We just stopped playing and wanted to see off the game without any desire to attack.
It has happened several times before and has cost us and will cost us again against better teams in the future.
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on November 22, 2019, 10:15:06 PM
I'm afraid we got lucky tonight.
Still a happy journey home..Coyw
I agree Mince, the game could have been over in the first 20 minutes, but thanks to Rodak and AK they turned it round! We are far from convincing not you and me, the team! I still have serious doubts about whether the team are good enough to get into the play offs but tonight is another step forward.
Quote from: grandad on November 22, 2019, 10:06:58 PM
Quote from: One Martin Thomas on November 22, 2019, 10:03:07 PM
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No disrespect but I must have watched a different game !
You should have watched our game then. You missed a good entertaining local derby.
I did thank you very much !
Thought Reid coming on made a difference think he should be starting for us. otherwise thought the game was pretty even. We just invited pressure for the last 15 minutes and could easily have ended up drawing. We did not dominate the midfield and I think we need more back up there, I'm hoping that Hectar can steady the defence though I do think Mawson is beginning to improve and look more solid. If we don't dominate the ball our back four look very vulnerable. Defending for first 15 mins was dreadful. Can't ignore that Rodak made some very good saves. Still a very welcome three points and we showed determination to get back into it. Johansen was huge for us - certainly more impressive than Cairney- but think he struggles to last 90 mins. COYWs
Just a night to enjoy 3 points and huge character from AK . Performance was poor and we should have been buried in the first 15 minutes
We were terrible, thank God we were playing QPR. We could have been 3 nil down and yes we hit the post twice but the reality is we played some awful football and somehow got a result.
That was a great game of football
Quote from: F(f)CUK on November 22, 2019, 10:51:21 PM
That was a great game of football
Yes, most enjoyable, even if it had ended 2-2.
Quote from: Southdowns White on November 22, 2019, 10:45:39 PM
We were terrible, thank God we were playing QPR. We could have been 3 nil down and yes we hit the post twice but the reality is we played some awful football and somehow got a result.
thank god we were playing qpr? Sky said they had the third highest goals scored coming into this match.Â
Anyone thinking that performance was satisfactory needs to look at themselves. The first 20 mins we should have been down 3 goals and buried. The manager needs to take lessons from it and learn, this have possession and do nothing with it will not work when we grace the opposition chance after chance like we have been doing.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on November 22, 2019, 10:57:06 PM
Quote from: F(f)CUK on November 22, 2019, 10:51:21 PM
That was a great game of football
Yes, most enjoyable, even if it had ended 2-2.
exactly was a decent derby. And I can't stand it when we just knock the ball around the back four for 88 mins with 2 mins of attack to nick a goal, so this was a welcome change for me. Coming from behind to win a good ole fashioned end to end derby has made my weekend
I thought QPR put so much into the first 25 minutes then ran out of steam after 75 minutes?
We were shocking first half but credit to Parker as I must admit when he brought Reid on for Reed I thought that was suicide, but we were much better once that happened as it knitted together the huge gap between midfield (non existent before that) and the forward line.
Credit again for bringing on Christie and playing 5 at the back as we were getting mullered down the wings - previously I think Parker has shown tactical naivety so hats off.
Fully agree with Fulhamben about Mawson tonight - he had a cracking game. Rodak too as they should have scored 5 in the first half alone.
Two wins on the trot and not really playing well - hopefully a good sign we can grind out results. COYWs.
Think we struggled mightily with their 3-5-2, that was basically pressuring as a 2-6-2 - completely clogging our outlets. Notice how we barely played that "slow possession" football that gets such a negative tone. We didn't have the time to.
Eventually, it seemed that Parker figured it out by placing Johansen and Reed much closer to each-other, and allowing Cairney to play as a CAM, then he chose to mix the flank play with Knock and Cava. This allowed TC to move the entire width of the pitch to serve as a point for each of our attacks, or at least moving their players out of position.
When Reed came out I was hoping that Johansen would take his role, and I was glad that was the case. I've been pushing for a 4-1-4-1 in which Johansen plays that deep DMF role, so he can be the playmaker like he showed multiple times in this match. Even when he couldn't find an outlet in the centre of the park, he put a little scoop, with some touch, into the path of TC - eventually setting up Cav, to hit the post. The benefit of moving StefJo to that role is that Reid can now play higher up and we can really create Havoc with Cav-Reid-Knock with AK/Mitro.
Quote from: Matt10 on November 22, 2019, 11:48:04 PM
Think we struggled mightily with their 3-5-2, that was basically pressuring as a 2-6-2 - completely clogging our outlets. Notice how we barely played that "slow possession" football that gets such a negative tone. We didn't have the time to.
Eventually, it seemed that Parker figured it out by placing Johansen and Reed much closer to each-other, and allowing Cairney to play as a CAM, then he chose to mix the flank play with Knock and Cava. This allowed TC to move the entire width of the pitch to serve as a point for each of our attacks, or at least moving their players out of position.
When Reed came out I was hoping that Johansen would take his role, and I was glad that was the case. I've been pushing for a 4-1-4-1 in which Johansen plays that deep DMF role, so he can be the playmaker like he showed multiple times in this match. Even when he couldn't find an outlet in the centre of the park, he put a little scoop, with some touch, into the path of TC - eventually setting up Cav, to hit the post. The benefit of moving StefJo to that role is that Reid can now play higher up and we can really create Havoc with Cav-Reid-Knock with AK/Mitro.
thats an interesting formation, certainly one I've never contemplated. Yes it could work with ak, but I'm not so sure it would with mitro. Mitro always looks out of sorts to me when he is isolated, which I imagine would happen rather a lot with that formation. Me personally, I just want to see ak and mitro on the pitch together more as mitro always seems to play better with ak doing the donkey work
Quote from: fulhamben on November 22, 2019, 11:55:08 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on November 22, 2019, 11:48:04 PM
Think we struggled mightily with their 3-5-2, that was basically pressuring as a 2-6-2 - completely clogging our outlets. Notice how we barely played that "slow possession" football that gets such a negative tone. We didn't have the time to.
Eventually, it seemed that Parker figured it out by placing Johansen and Reed much closer to each-other, and allowing Cairney to play as a CAM, then he chose to mix the flank play with Knock and Cava. This allowed TC to move the entire width of the pitch to serve as a point for each of our attacks, or at least moving their players out of position.
When Reed came out I was hoping that Johansen would take his role, and I was glad that was the case. I've been pushing for a 4-1-4-1 in which Johansen plays that deep DMF role, so he can be the playmaker like he showed multiple times in this match. Even when he couldn't find an outlet in the centre of the park, he put a little scoop, with some touch, into the path of TC - eventually setting up Cav, to hit the post. The benefit of moving StefJo to that role is that Reid can now play higher up and we can really create Havoc with Cav-Reid-Knock with AK/Mitro.
thats an interesting formation, certainly one I've never contemplated. Yes it could work with ak, but I'm not so sure it would with mitro. Mitro always looks out of sorts to me when he is isolated, which I imagine would happen rather a lot with that formation. Me personally, I just want to see ak and mitro on the pitch together more as mitro always seems to play better with ak doing the donkey work
That's understandable. From a static point of view it would seem that Mitro would not get involved, but thankfully the game isn't just played on paper. We've used the 4-1-4-1 three times this year, and it's undefeated (2 W, 1 D).
Here I'd put Johansen where Arter is, then Reid takes his spot, and if we want to fill in Kamara, he takes Knock's spot. Only issue with it is how quickly we can recover defensively with Reid and Cairney, but offensively it's pretty strong.
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Quote from: Matt10 on November 23, 2019, 12:05:16 AM
Only issue with it is how quickly we can recover defensively with Reid and Cairney, but offensively it's pretty strong.
It's not a small issue though, is it? Away from home, in particular, defending turnovers of possession with only five outfield players could see the scoreline turn ugly.
Quote from: Arthur on November 23, 2019, 01:16:47 AM
Quote from: Matt10 on November 23, 2019, 12:05:16 AM
Only issue with it is how quickly we can recover defensively with Reid and Cairney, but offensively it's pretty strong.
It's not a small issue though, is it? Away from home, in particular, defending turnovers of possession with only five outfield players could see the scoreline turn ugly.
Well no, no issue is a small one...which is why I am guessing how quickly we
could recover. That applies to every type of attack we could come up with though. Tonight we played a 5-4-1 in the last 20 minutes of the match and were still under siege, not to mention exposed under their counters.
I am sorry to say that was not ninety minutes to relish. Lucky to get the win in the end but I am constantly reminded that football is results oriented and so all is well, I suppose.
Yes all is well but it is still bad that we conceded so early again and have to come from behind. Parker is the manager and he needs to do something about the situation in January. After last night it shows that we do have options up front