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Title: No Excuses
Post by: South Coast White on January 22, 2020, 09:40:28 PM
This game should have been won, regardess of the injuries.
 
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Dodgin on January 22, 2020, 09:42:01 PM
Snail paced, poor showing
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: fulhamben on January 22, 2020, 09:42:31 PM
Parker set us up for a nil nil and that's what he got.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: MikeW on January 22, 2020, 09:43:21 PM
Agree: it's us blowing it now.  These are games we should be winning.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: FFCFOREVER on January 22, 2020, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 22, 2020, 09:42:31 PM
Parker set us up for a nil nil and that's what he got.
Yep spot on
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 22, 2020, 09:44:44 PM
We have improved defensively, but we haven't addressed our biggest problem of only 22 goals in 29 games scored by a non centre forward.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Sgt Fulham on January 22, 2020, 09:45:02 PM
Neither team deserved a point, let alone 3. Parker is meant to be Mr Motivational but our team never seems very motivated. I still have nightmares about how we started against QPR at the cottage.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: bod on January 22, 2020, 09:45:07 PM
Home team were for 0 - 0 but we slow and ineffective. What happened to the scintillating play? :031:
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Mince n Tatties on January 22, 2020, 09:47:42 PM
No drive from Cairney,his appetite isn't that great of late...Yes he's been ill but he's been lacklustre a lot of games.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: ffcne on January 22, 2020, 09:48:41 PM
A win and Leeds and WBA would be feeling the pressure.
Terrible team selection
We know the defence is so much better now.
So we could have been more attack minded.
Cairney seriously needs a good look at himself
at present offering nothing.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Fulham 442 on January 22, 2020, 09:48:44 PM
I wasn't expecting that performance after the scintillating first half against Boro. Like watching paint dry. 
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Deeping_white on January 22, 2020, 09:49:24 PM
At least that answers the question of do we need Mitro beyond doubt
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: RaySmith on January 22, 2020, 09:49:45 PM
They got everyone behind the ball, shots we had when we did create an opening were easily dealt with -we definitely missed Mitro, or AK.

But it's an away point, and another clean sheet.

COYW!!!!
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: grandad on January 22, 2020, 09:49:51 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 22, 2020, 09:44:44 PM
We have improved defensively, but we haven't addressed our biggest problem of only 22 goals in 29 games scored by a non centre forward.

What does it matter who scores the goals?
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Russianrob on January 22, 2020, 09:50:28 PM
Unfortunately here in Russia never got to see or hear a word about the match so unable to comment on the performance.However,it cannot have been as useless as that of the technical team!!
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: fulhamben on January 22, 2020, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 22, 2020, 09:49:24 PM
At least that answers the question of do we need Mitro beyond doubt
well it doesn't really, as Parker won't pick actual strikers to play up top if him and kamara are injured
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Tabby on January 22, 2020, 09:54:49 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 22, 2020, 09:49:24 PM
At least that answers the question of do we need Mitro beyond doubt

I think it is mad how many people were quick to jump on Mitro as the problem after two decent results.

Hopefully he or Kamara will be back for the next league game.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Fernhurst on January 22, 2020, 09:57:24 PM
Yes, disappointing but I don't suppose you can win them all.
My optimism was based on Charlton having six out injured, however, they all returned and managed our limited threat with ease. Next significant game 1st of February, let's hope our injured sharpshooters are all back and up for a charge to the finish line.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: YankeeJim on January 22, 2020, 09:57:54 PM
This match was absolutely dire. I'm usually in Parker's corner but he set up in a very defensive manner.   This was a line up for Citi not for a middle of the pack team. When he did make changes, it was too late. I would have like to see Stansfield come on into TC spot and push him back and bring KMac or Arter off at about 70 or even 60 minutes
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Deeping_white on January 22, 2020, 09:59:02 PM
One plus point though, imagine how good we'll be from set pieces with Hector and Mitro on the same pitch. Also kudos to Hector because he's showing he's top class at the moment
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Matt10 on January 22, 2020, 10:00:09 PM
Just confirms that we need some depth, preferably some size. I think we walked it in too many times instead of taking chances. Cavaleiro made multiple streaking runs and was never attempted to be found. Those who say Cairney didn't play well aren't paying attention because each of our chances resulted from him playing penetrating passes. Reid has to finish 1 out of the 3 chances he had -can't get away with just hitting the target. Short of the first half of QPR at home, each player had their brain-fleeting moments throughout this match. We weren't quite switched on, and it showed. I wanted to see what Arter and KMac played like together, and it seemed that we had two very conservative players, which won't work when our system is built on sticking-and-twisting the centre mids.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Fernhurst on January 22, 2020, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 22, 2020, 09:59:02 PM
One plus point though, imagine how good we'll be from set pieces with Hector and Mitro on the same pitch. Also kudos to Hector because he's showing he's top class at the moment

Absolutely........ my MOM Again
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: love4ffc on January 22, 2020, 10:00:46 PM
Agree, that was very disappointing.  That is points dropped that Fulham should have won.

There was just no energy in the first half.  Subs should have been made sooner to get more out of the wings. 

Very sad. 

Defense did look good though.   
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Steven Ageroad on January 22, 2020, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 22, 2020, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 22, 2020, 09:49:24 PM
At least that answers the question of do we need Mitro beyond doubt
well it doesn't really, as Parker won't pick actual strikers to play up top if him and kamara are injured

What strikers do you suggest Ben? Other than Mitro and Kamara who have we got?
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: ffc73 on January 22, 2020, 10:06:41 PM
That was just abysmal all round. No desire or urgency from our lot & team selection was lacking in any ambition. Just really disappointed for another wasted opportunity.  We clearly don't want top two. The players don't look like they care at all.  No one busts a gut or looks to do anything other than the safe (sometimes) back or sideways pass.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: FFC1987 on January 22, 2020, 10:09:05 PM
Really, really uninspiring stuff. How they didn't look motivated when they could be within 1 point of automatic knowing we put pressure on teams around us and against a team who I think hadn't won in 10. Blimey guys,m just when you think we've turned a corner, they pull this turd out of the bag.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Matt10 on January 22, 2020, 10:10:19 PM
Quote from: FFC73 on January 22, 2020, 10:06:41 PM
That was just abysmal all round. No desire or urgency from our lot & team selection was lacking in any ambition. Just really disappointed for another wasted opportunity.  We clearly don't want top two. The players don't look like they care at all.  No one busts a gut or looks to do anything other than the safe (sometimes) back or sideways pass.

No one busts a gut? Please, watch the match again. So many runs off the ball, many 50/50 challenges won. It was a dogfight.

I'm all for getting on the team for their performance. However, let's not make things up just because it is convenient to the theme.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Mince n Tatties on January 22, 2020, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on January 22, 2020, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 22, 2020, 09:59:02 PM
One plus point though, imagine how good we'll be from set pieces with Hector and Mitro on the same pitch. Also kudos to Hector because he's showing he's top class at the moment

Absolutely........ my MOM Again

Should have scored with the free header at the back post.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Fulham Tup North on January 22, 2020, 10:14:29 PM
Quite lackluster unfortunately ☹️ very one paced going forwards.
Could have put some real pressure on the top two tonight. Forest only drew which is good but I see this as 2 points dropped rather than one point gained.
Need Mitro back asap!! Cairney is offering little ATM also ☹️.
Very strange tactics 2nd half. Walking pace most of the time.
Frustrating is probably the best word for it.
COYW
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Tempest on January 22, 2020, 10:17:06 PM
Embarrassing really that anyone on that pitch,  Charlton or Fulham   regard themselves a professional footballer.  Zero quality or talent on show. Just one of those games I guess

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Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Lighthouse on January 22, 2020, 10:17:09 PM
Forest drew against Reading, In a week when there have been plenty of shocks and surprises I am always staggered when Fulham fans expect to win and are disappointed. No forwards and players out injured. Not a defeat and we keep ticking along.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: ffc73 on January 22, 2020, 10:19:51 PM
At least the whites walking football team beat the reds in the pre match entertainment. I think we might be signing a couple of them up before the window closes as they looked more incisive and bothered than we did when the main event started.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: toshes mate on January 22, 2020, 10:21:57 PM
That was worse than dire and it is two points thrown away rather than one gained.  Midfield muddled, incoherent, and jammed packed with players who were simply not switched on.  A big step backwards.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: FFC1987 on January 22, 2020, 10:22:07 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 22, 2020, 10:17:09 PM
Forest drew against Reading, In a week when there have been plenty of shocks and surprises I am always staggered when Fulham fans expect to win and are disappointed. No forwards and players out injured. Not a defeat and we keep ticking along.

I think it's because A) we thought we'd finally turned a corner B) the performance was poor, C) we only have ourselves to blame, no bad decision, no unlucky finishes/worldy GK saves and D) we had a real opportunity to show we are really going for that top 2 spot. Yet, we play a really, really out of form Charlton side, and only manage a draw which could see us move further away from automatic after playing a bottom 10 side. It will be our luck that WestBrom and Leeds find motivation from our poor result and win with injuries, suspensions and poor form which then puts the pressure on us, something we don't really cope well with.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: thebumponleroyshead on January 22, 2020, 10:22:27 PM
Here here lighthouse
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: joef on January 22, 2020, 10:23:31 PM
It's so frustrating. I cannot for the life of me fathom this side's energy one game to the next. We blow so hot and cold. I don't know the answer but I feel it's confidence and psychological. Parker has to work out how to get inside these players' heads. They need to believe in themselves and each other. They need to believe they are better than whatever is put in front of them. Our promotion team oozed this belief.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: southwest6 on January 22, 2020, 10:24:17 PM
Moaners out in their numbers as per usual. Let me kindly remind you that there are SEVENTEEN games left to play and we are 3 (albeit potentially 4 or 6) points behind Leeds.

The performance was sub par and certainly a frustrating result, however, it's important to remind ourselves that we are missing key players - including our top goal scorer. Thought we really missed mitro today as it was very hard to break charlton down. That being said, another clean sheet and another point. Huddersfield and Blackburn next; hopefully we can get good numbers down at blackburn to give the lads a boost.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: joef on January 22, 2020, 10:25:52 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on January 22, 2020, 10:24:17 PM
Moaners out in their numbers as per usual. Let me kindly remind you that there are SEVENTEEN games left to play and we are 3 (albeit potentially 4 or 6) points behind Leeds.

The performance was sub par and certainly a frustrating result, however, it's important to remind ourselves that we are missing key players - including our top goal scorer. Thought we really missed mitro today as it was very hard to break charlton down. That being said, another clean sheet and another point. Huddersfield and Blackburn next; hopefully we can get good numbers down at blackburn to give the lads a boost.

We need to keep an eye on Brentford in the equation. They have real momentum and belief at the moment.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: southwest6 on January 22, 2020, 10:31:33 PM
Quote from: joef on January 22, 2020, 10:25:52 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on January 22, 2020, 10:24:17 PM
Moaners out in their numbers as per usual. Let me kindly remind you that there are SEVENTEEN games left to play and we are 3 (albeit potentially 4 or 6) points behind Leeds.

The performance was sub par and certainly a frustrating result, however, it's important to remind ourselves that we are missing key players - including our top goal scorer. Thought we really missed mitro today as it was very hard to break charlton down. That being said, another clean sheet and another point. Huddersfield and Blackburn next; hopefully we can get good numbers down at blackburn to give the lads a boost.


We need to keep an eye on Brentford in the equation. They have real momentum and belief at the moment.

I totally agree. A few teams sniffing around and will make an entertaining season finale. But some posters on here are so cynical that I often wonder whether they are WUMs...
FWIW, I think the current state of our defence will ultimately put us in real good stead for automatics; Mitro's return can't come any sooner!
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Spirit of 2000 on January 22, 2020, 10:34:53 PM
Back to the same old slow tempo, sideways and backwards rubbish with no incision. Not impressed tonight,  backwards step after Boro game.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Matt10 on January 22, 2020, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on January 22, 2020, 10:24:17 PM
Moaners out in their numbers as per usual. Let me kindly remind you that there are SEVENTEEN games left to play and we are 3 (albeit potentially 4 or 6) points behind Leeds.

The performance was sub par and certainly a frustrating result, however, it's important to remind ourselves that we are missing key players - including our top goal scorer. Thought we really missed mitro today as it was very hard to break Charlton down. That being said, another clean sheet and another point. Huddersfield and Blackburn next; hopefully we can get good numbers down at blackburn to give the lads a boost.

Frustrating indeed, but not to the level that we need a clean slate or it has to be so doom and gloom. Reviewing the match just now, I think having StefJo in place of either Arter or Kmac, for the sake of sending in searching long balls alone, would have been interesting to see. We had multiple streaking and crossing runs by both Cav and Reid, that we just did not take advantage upon. In the second half, it was Hector who tried to send these passes, but by then Charlton had already dropped back into their shell, not to mention Cav and Reid were fatigued.

I remain positive, and the view I'll take is we have an idea of our depth - and get a better understanding of multiple players flexibility in positions. This was a forced lineup, and it was quite difficult to figure out what Parker was going to do.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Whitestone on January 22, 2020, 10:56:59 PM
It was a disappointing result and quite frustrating to watch but its not Parker's fault that Mitro, Kamara or Knockaert weren't available. Charlton had a game plan which they stuck to. We just couldn't break them down with the players available. At full strength we would have probably won comfortably.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Milo on January 22, 2020, 10:59:03 PM
Cav my MOTM as never stopped fighting to win possession. Poor bloke. Felt actively sorry for him.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Matt10 on January 22, 2020, 11:04:17 PM
Quote from: Milo on January 22, 2020, 10:59:03 PM
Cav my MOTM as never stopped fighting to win possession. Poor bloke. Felt actively sorry for him.

Played his socks off. Very physical. I think he dribbled too much at times but even when he's about to lose the ball; he stays stuck in. Not sure who to give MOTM though.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: west kowloon white on January 22, 2020, 11:10:57 PM
Here here - what does that mean- spell check maybee
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: General on January 22, 2020, 11:46:09 PM
He got it wrong. It happens and is disappointing. As mentioned before we need another striker who's got height and stays up front. Reid can be a forward but if you're being trained to be an AM or winger you're going to habitually drop deep or go wide.

The clear elephant in the room is stansfield. He really should've been on from the 70th minute for us to stand a chance.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: General on January 22, 2020, 11:46:40 PM
At least forest drew.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: PaddyAddick on January 22, 2020, 11:52:13 PM
Put some thoughts on another thread but I don't think you were THAT bad. Bowyer out-managed Parker, and we used our limited resources (given we were two divisions apart last season, and our players coming back aren't really fit enough yet) effectively to stifle you. Parker didn't adapt to us transparently setting out our stall to defend and attempt to counter.

You'll be fine with the returns of Knockaert/Mitrovic and others. Don't forget that we've beaten Leeds, not lost to West Brom this year, beaten Brentford, drew with Forest - we're not a terrible side when we have it all together. Can see both the Cottagers and Addicks on an upturn in the next few weeks to be honest. All the best for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 23, 2020, 01:54:47 AM
Quote from: PaddyAddick on January 22, 2020, 11:52:13 PM
Put some thoughts on another thread but I don't think you were THAT bad. Bowyer out-managed Parker, and we used our limited resources (given we were two divisions apart last season, and our players coming back aren't really fit enough yet) effectively to stifle you. Parker didn't adapt to us transparently setting out our stall to defend and attempt to counter.

You'll be fine with the returns of Knockaert/Mitrovic and others. Don't forget that we've beaten Leeds, not lost to West Brom this year, beaten Brentford, drew with Forest - we're not a terrible side when we have it all together. Can see both the Cottagers and Addicks on an upturn in the next few weeks to be honest. All the best for the rest of the year.

Thank you for your balanced view, and for the record, Charlton was the first professional club I visited, and I was at the valley back in the 50s and watched the great Sam Bartram play his last game as Goalkeeper for Charlton before he retired, yes I was there on those huge packed terraces. I cannot remember the score, but I can remember that huge crowd.
All the very best for the remainder of the season. 
Title: Re: No Excuses
Post by: hongkongfulham on January 23, 2020, 03:20:16 AM
Away from home, they parked the bus, we were missing 4 major attacking threats. Not an entirely unpredictable result and ya cannae win every week boys... those are my excuses.

In balance, Parker should have changed it in the second half and was too passive hoping for something like Cav did the other week. Agree with General, should have been a chance for Stansfield to be a rogue element from 60-70 onwards.

All part of the learning process and we are still in the hunt, one point still is pressure :)

COYW