Two seasons ago the name Sessegnon was the hottest ticket in town, I was critical of Ryan on many occasions, I couldn't stand him as a left back and Jokanovic overplayed him in that position, Many people on here both joked and remarked when Ryan left, that Spurs had signed the wrong Sessegnon,
This season has been disappointing for both players, and the "brand" has taken a serious knock, despite Spurs having a horrible injury crisis , Ryan can't even make it on to the bench, he said a couple of days ago in an interview that Mourinho has told him to get "nasty" , not easy for a nice lad from a nice family,
Meanwhile Stephen hasn't faired much better, right back has been a problem for Fulham all season, and yet Stephen still can't claim a place, and when he has been given a chance he hasn't really looked up to it,
As disappointing as this season has been for both players , next season is absolutely massive, from next season on age can no longer be a shield that they can hide behind, their careers can go one of two ways now, and still no reason why it can't still be glittering ones for both of them, but they must be starting or certainly playing a lot of games, Ryan might need a season at a lesser club to regain his mojo but Stephen must make a claim for that right back berth,
Remains to be seen whether they've both got the drive and ambition, let's hope they do.
Quote from: Riversider on February 25, 2020, 05:00:27 PM
Two seasons ago the name Sessegnon was the hottest ticket in town, I was critical of Ryan on many occasions, I couldn't stand him as a left back and Jokanovic overplayed him in that position, Many people on here both joked and remarked when Ryan left, that Spurs had signed the wrong Sessegnon,
This season has been disappointing for both players, and the "brand" has taken a serious knock, despite Spurs having a horrible injury crisis , Ryan can't even make it on to the bench, he said a couple of days ago in an interview that Mourinho has told him to get "nasty" , not easy for a nice lad from a nice family,
Meanwhile Stephen hasn't faired much better, right back has been a problem for Fulham all season, and yet Stephen still can't claim a place, and when he has been given a chance he hasn't really looked up to it,
As disappointing as this season has been for both players , next season is absolutely massive, from next season on age can no longer be a shield that they can hide behind, their careers can go one of two ways now, and still no reason why it can't still be glittering ones for both of them, but they must be starting or certainly playing a lot of games, Ryan might need a season at a lesser club to regain his mojo but Stephen must make a claim for that right back berth,
Remains to be seen whether they've both got the drive and ambition, let's hope they do.
Think Ranerai said a similar thing about him
Only time will tell but I think we did well out of Ryan's sale, he was very good in the role Joca played him but I haven't seen him as a particularly good full back.
It will be interesting to see how Stephen develops but I haven't found him impressive.
I think Stephen will work out fine and I would like to see him play more. I feel sorry for Ryan. Shame we couldn't bring him home where he belongs
I only have good words and wishes for Ryan. Started scoring goals for us aged 16 stayed with us as long as he could. Signed a long contract knowing the club would get a better price for him (unlike the younger Dembele). Made the winning goal at Wembley on one of the most memorable days in the club's history, made it clear he wanted to play for the club in the prem. Then his attitude was made clear in the taking home his kit and washing it story.
To me the most naturally gifted player from our ranks since Johnny Haynes.
There is no doubt that Slav knew how to get the best from him, as he would have with Stansfield, now he has got that master of stupid mind games, Maurinho at him. Already Rose has gone, Alli has got the ump as has Vertonghan. I hope things improve for Ryan.
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Quote from: bog on February 26, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
I only have good words and wishes for Ryan. Started scoring goals for us aged 16 stayed with us as long as he could. Signed a long contract knowing the club would get a better price for him (unlike the younger Dembele). Made the winning goal at Wembley on one of the most memorable days in the club's history, made it clear he wanted to play for the club in the prem. Then his attitude was made clear in the taking home his kit and washing it story.
To me the most naturally gifted player from our ranks since Johnny Haynes.
There is no doubt that Slav knew how to get the best from him, as he would have with Stansfield, now he has got that master of stupid mind games, Maurinho at him. Already Rose has gone, Alli has got the ump as has Vertonghan. I hope things improve for Ryan.
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Rose was a trouble maker even with poch, he was a leaker to the press, had a bad attitude, went half seasons unnoticed with poor performances and moaned alot.
Ali has a great 2 seasons a couple years back and has dont bugger all since for club and country.
Vertonghen has refused to sign a contract for about two years and it has been widely known he's running down the contract and will probably leave on a free to earn big wages as ramsey did at arsenal.
As for sessegnon? I think he needs to get nasty, he doesnt take players on physically, he doesnt tackle strong, hea barged off the ball. Quite a fair criticism really.
No one agree? Or is ryan a ballon dor winner in all your eyes?
Quote from: Jurassic Parker on February 26, 2020, 08:57:23 AM
Rose was a trouble maker even with poch, he was a leaker to the press, had a bad attitude, went half seasons unnoticed with poor performances and moaned alot.
Ali has a great 2 seasons a couple years back and has dont bugger all since for club and country.
Vertonghen has refused to sign a contract for about two years and it has been widely known he's running down the contract and will probably leave on a free to earn big wages as ramsey did at arsenal.
As for sessegnon? I think he needs to get nasty, he doesnt take players on physically, he doesnt tackle strong, hea barged off the ball. Quite a fair criticism really.
No one agree? Or is ryan a ballon dor winner in all your eyes?
I don't think being a ballon d'or winner should be the benchmark of whether or not someone is a good player or not.
The lad is still young, still learning and has achieved more than most 19 year olds will have.
He was a great player, showed that drive and ambition that the OP is (weirdly) questioning and was part of a fantastic side here, shame last season went so badly for him and all at FFC. Hated Ranieri publically slating him, poor management IMO.
IMHO, he was great as a youngster, particularly the goals he scored and his decision making, but he never really went on to develop that much further, particularly in the physicality field.
We were so lucky to get such a fee for him.
When you look at real prospects in his left side positions such as Saka at Arsenal, you see how far behind he is.
I feel it would be a massive mistake to even think about getting him back.
Although I agree that the jury is still out on Sess, some of the comments on here make it seem like he is 30 years old. "He never really went on to develop further"... He is not even 20 yet. Maybe compare him to the average talented teenage player, and he will still have come very far.
Would take him back in a heart beat. He has some of those skills that are the hardest to teach and plenty of time to develop other skills, including physicality.
Ryan not in the 18 again at a time when Spurs are struggling, but what I wanted to say is this, the main thrust of my original post is that next season is MASSIVE for both lads, this time next year both boys MUST be starting for their respective clubs (whoever they are)
I did make a suggestion in January that we bring Ryan back on loan, sad we didn't go for it as it would have been good for Ryan, Spurs and Fulham, oh well there's always next season 😉
A good junior players doesn't make a world beating senior player.
80% don't make it.
I'm not sure the fact that Spurs are struggling makes it any easier for Ryan, but rather the opposite.
Quote from: bog on February 26, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
I only have good words and wishes for Ryan. Started scoring goals for us aged 16 stayed with us as long as he could. Signed a long contract knowing the club would get a better price for him (unlike the younger Dembele). Made the winning goal at Wembley on one of the most memorable days in the club's history, made it clear he wanted to play for the club in the prem. Then his attitude was made clear in the taking home his kit and washing it story.
To me the most naturally gifted player from our ranks since Johnny Haynes.
There is no doubt that Slav knew how to get the best from him, as he would have with Stansfield, now he has got that master of stupid mind games, Maurinho at him. Already Rose has gone, Alli has got the ump as has Vertonghan. I hope things improve for Ryan.
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Ryan is injured and has been for a couple of weeks with a hip injury. Poch said it would take at least 1/2 a season to get him fit Jose doesn't like youth
The reason being as Alan Hanson once said "you don't win anything with kids"
Quote from: Andy S on March 02, 2020, 01:57:19 AM
The reason being as Alan Hanson once said "you don't win anything with kids"
When Alan Hanson said "you don't win anything with kids", David Beckham was 20 years and 3 months just completing his 3rd EPL start for ManUnited, which is the same age that Ryan Sessegnon will be in the 3rd game next season. Ryan Sessegnon will be a top player if his injuries don't keep happening.
A bit of a leftfield idea, but do we think Sessegnon could play up front? Poacher role. Either that or Ramdeuter, like Thomas Müller.
I reckon he'd do well in the latter role.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on March 02, 2020, 12:46:08 PM
A bit of a leftfield idea, but do we think Sessegnon could play up front? Poacher role. Either that or Ramdeuter, like Thomas Müller.
I reckon he'd do well in the latter role.
Yes, I felt that he is in some ways better suited to that role. He never beat his man nor was particularly capable of sending in a high cross, but he was always positionally very good and knew where to be at any given time. He also knew where the goal was
I respect the other opinions expressed on this thread.
However, I rarely wear rose tinted specs.
I believe what I have posted above to be a reasonable summing up of Ryan S.
The amount of young English talent coming through, and those already in place in their 1st team squads, I feel will justify my opinion over time.
At Ryan Sessegnon's age, David Beckham had played only five third division games, a few ManU Cup games, a few ManU subs and hadn't yet made his premier league debut in the starting XI. Ryan Sessegnon needs to get fit and strong for a long career in the England team that ideally should peak in about six-to-ten years.
I feel sorry for Ryan
One of the best decisive footballers we have seen in recent times at Fulham .
Specialised in goals and assists . For his age he had a incredible number of both
I would have him in as our LW instead of Cav immediately
Mitro would be delighted to have him back I sure
He thrived under Joka - who gave him time , support and 1:1 coaching - but withered under Ranieri ( and looked OK again under Parker )
I think he would have thrived under Poch but has little chance under Mourinho
For him its a pity he didn't end up at Liverpool rather than Spurs
Without a manager to put their arms around him and bring him on we might have seen the best of him .
he had great movement and awareness with us, always avaialble for a pass, and could gilde into the box unnoticed, real Allan Clarke style 'sniffer', and score with his great skill and composure under pressure.
Could definitely use him now, playing off of Mitro.
On occasions when I watched him (tv, and some live matches), his goals were often tap ins which is a great credit to his reading of situations and willing to take the gamble on what is going to happen next. I hope he succeeds
The only real issue that I had with Ryan is that he wouldn't or couldn't do the nasty side of the game when we didn't have the ball, factor in that Cairney also wouldn't or couldn't do that side of the game , it meant you only ever had a maximum of 8 outfield players that could put a foot in to get the ball back,
To emphasise my point, Raheem Sterling , who is smaller than both Sessegnon and Cairney, is brilliant whenever City or England are out of possession, Sess must watch Sterling play football the same as we all do, his work rate has got to be the benchmark that Sessegnon has to aspire to, especially if you want to play at a club like Tottenham Hotspur,
When his team is in possession he is a very good player, with still a very good career ahead of him.