I recently read Bill Bryson's latest book The Body and was interested to learn that he was a baseball fan and could recall the 1964 team line up for the team he supported, St. Lois Cardinals. Bill was looking to explain why we can have good long term memories capable of storing useless information while having very poor short term memories that fail to hold useful information. He admitted recently forgetting his mobile phone number and the third item of three that his wife had sent him to buy at the supermarket.
I can identify with both the short term memory examples but can do better with the long term memory.
I can clearly remember the Fulham line up for the 1949 team that was promoted from the second division into the top flight for the first time in our history. It was a W formation of :-
Doug Flack
Harry Freeman Joe Buccuzi
Len Quested Jim Taylor Pat Beasley
Bob Thomas Beddy Jezzard
Arthur Stevens Arthur Rowley Macdonald
Not absolutely sure of the Christion name of the left winger but think it was Jack. The doubt is probably because he was new to the team and had replaced a real favourite of mine, Ernie Shepherd, a lovely player who tended to hug the line and had a sweet left foot capable of putting over inch perfect crosses.
Any one else with vivid memories of their early Fulham team
Memory banks must get full,bit like a computer which the brain is.Forgetting items you went to the shops for is a little annoying.I make lists now but do often forget the list.
Quote from: mrmicawbers on April 22, 2020, 07:34:49 PM
Memory banks must get full,bit like a computer which the brain is.Forgetting items you went to the shops for is a little annoying.I make lists now but do often forget the list.
[/quoteQuote from: mrmicawbers on April 22, 2020, 07:34:49 PM
Memory banks must get full,bit like a computer which the brain is.Forgetting items you went to the shops for is a little annoying.I make lists now but do often forget the list.
Making a note of something is always a good idea, remember:-
A blunt pencil is better than a sharp memory.
My first vivid memory was seeing Bobby Moore being presented with the Jules Rimet trophy just before we played Orient. We then went 6-0 up in the first half and cruised the second, winning 6-1.
Quote from: filham on April 22, 2020, 06:41:13 PM
I recently read Bill Bryson's latest book The Body and was interested to learn that he was a baseball fan and could recall the 1964 team line up for the team he supported, St. Lois Cardinals. Bill was looking to explain why we can have good long term memories capable of storing useless information while having very poor short term memories that fail to hold useful information. He admitted recently forgetting his mobile phone number and the third item of three that his wife had sent him to buy at the supermarket.
I can identify with both the short term memory examples but can do better with the long term memory.
I can clearly remember the Fulham line up for the 1949 team that was promoted from the second division into the top flight for the first time in our history. It was a W formation of :-
Doug Flack
Harry Freeman Joe Buccuzi
Len Quested Jim Taylor Pat Beasley
Bob Thomas Beddy Jezzard
Arthur Stevens Arthur Rowley Macdonald
Not absolutely sure of the Christion name of the left winger but think it was Jack. The doubt is probably because he was new to the team and had replaced a real favourite of mine, Ernie Shepherd, a lovely player who tended to hug the line and had a sweet left foot capable of putting over inch perfect crosses.
Any one else with vivid memories of their early Fulham team
100% it was a Jack Macdonald who was new to the team and he was the reason although I was very young became a Fulham supporter and eventually a season ticket holder although I have never lived in the UK.
He used to come and spend the summer holidays with his son Christopher at my fathers in Guernsey and we would go to the beach every day.
Sometimes I can't remember my current postal address code or my work cellphone number. Yet I can commit to memory all kinds of new information, recent information, and I remember with great detail a lot of really old information. Stuff we had to learn in school a million years ago that were going to be on a test. Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species, and sometimes Variety. Whole poems. Stuff like that. Or that there are three types of ancient Greek columns: Doric, Ionic, and Corinthian (in that order, from modest to most ornate). So why can't I remember my damn zip code? This has always surprised me. Two months ago, I had to make a presentation, nothing all that formal, just a small talk to my supervisor's supervisor to explain some aspect of a recurring issue I've been working on. I was doing just fine, got near the end of it, was wrapping up, and I couldn't remember the acronym for a standard telecommunications industry word. I just froze there like an Alzheimer's patient. Could not for the life of me remember the expression (it was "VoIP" for Voice over Internet Protocol phone service). I've used that word thousands of times. But I hit some kind of weird wall, and had to be saved by my colleague who intuited what I wanted to say. I laughed it off: "I'll have to own that senior moment." And everyone at the table all spoke at once about the mundane things they forget all the time. Still...unsettling. I know I had been sitting still for hours before that meeting presentation, and that can have an effect on your brain working at its best. You need to get up and get your blood circulating, and I'm at my most forgetful after sitting still for long periods. Not that anyone cares about my memory. But your topic struck a nerve.
Started a crossword the other day and completed roughly half of it and was struggling with.Went out for my daily exercise running and walking.Came back picked up the crossword and finished it off.Amazing howa bit of fresh air can blow away the cobwebs.
Sat watching the game on FFCtv tonight and the camera swung to the directors and sitting there was no other than.... what's his name??.... You know that fellow........ DANIEL LEVY...... yes well I've remembered now!!
Great book, the body. I am half way through it.
Macedo, Cohen Langley, Mullery (very young) Dodgin Lowe, Key Oconnell Cooke Haynes and Chamberlain. About 1960. (I think).
Quote from: jarv on April 23, 2020, 12:02:10 AM
Great book, the body. I am half way through it.
Macedo, Cohen Langley, Mullery (very young) Dodgin Lowe, Key Oconnell Cooke Haynes and Chamberlain. About 1960. (I think).
Anyone whos early games were during the Haynes era will have good clear memories to be cherished.
Bill Dodgin had an interesting Fulham career as player and manager. When you came along I thinkhe had returned from Arsenal and was doing a good job at centre half but earlier his dad had played him out of position at right back and us fans gave him a rough time that is best forgotten.
The Body is a great work by Bill Bryson containing some interesting stories. I particularly liked the description of how Brunnel removed a coin jammed in his throat. When you have finished the book you may well think that the USA is an unhealthy nation and that Trump's next priority after curing their addiction with guns should be to change their eating habits.
Now my short term memory is hopeless but my earliest memory is back to the very first game I went to in 1953, but have no idea of who we played. As we were getting ready to leave my father said to me 'Fulham have got a very good young player called Johnny Haynes....'
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Quote from: bog on April 23, 2020, 10:20:22 AM
Now my short term memory is hopeless but my earliest memory is back to the very first game I went to in 1953, but have no idea of who we played. As we were getting ready to leave my father said to me 'Fulham have got a very good young player called Johnny Haynes....'
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And that had to be the football understatement of the twentieth century.
February 23rd 1963 and we were at home to Nottingham Forest. I don't remember much about the game, I was only 5, but I know we won 3 1 and coming out of the ground I waved my rosette in the air. Unfortunately the supporter walking past me at the time was a Forest fan and didn't take kindly to the gesture. My Dad had to point out I was only a little girl and tell him to get a grip! I now know that from that game we went on an 8 game winning streak and secured our status in the league for the season.
My earliest memories are when I was sitting in the baby chair of my parents car. A few memories centre on me thinking ' I wonder what they're saying', but struggling to hear it properly from behind the seats and they were a lot bigger then me. I then remember one day, thinking I'd chance trying to hear what they were saying and heard them talking and felt like it had been a personal development eureka moment.
It's mind-boggling to me, to have had that clear memory and thought pattern as a baby who else-wise was clearly very very young and couldn't properly speak or hear.
Earliest Fulham memory was when the ground had been bought by Al Fayed, outside the Johnny Haynes stand, looking at the red-brick facade before one of my first games and standing in the different stands, which was the only thing you could do in those days as there were no seats. I remember the putney end and Hammersmith end stands, with the putney end, if my memory isn't playing tricks on me, not having a roof and having at the centre back of the stand for a hot food stall to buy half time snacks. Crazy to think that was the state of Fulham within my relatively short lifetime.
Quote from: filham on April 23, 2020, 10:24:49 AM
Quote from: bog on April 23, 2020, 10:20:22 AM
Now my short term memory is hopeless but my earliest memory is back to the very first game I went to in 1953, but have no idea of who we played. As we were getting ready to leave my father said to me 'Fulham have got a very good young player called Johnny Haynes....'
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And that had to be the football understatement of the twentieth century.
It had to be. Little did we know what was on the way.
Quote from: bog on April 23, 2020, 12:01:59 PM
Quote from: filham on April 23, 2020, 10:24:49 AM
Quote from: bog on April 23, 2020, 10:20:22 AM
Now my short term memory is hopeless but my earliest memory is back to the very first game I went to in 1953, but have no idea of who we played. As we were getting ready to leave my father said to me 'Fulham have got a very good young player called Johnny Haynes....'
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And that had to be the football understatement of the twentieth century.
It had to be. Little did we know what was on the way.
In the early fifties I worked with a man who played tennis at the same club as Eddie Perry a Fulham coach and was amble to keep me interested with club gossip from time to time.. I remember being told at an early date that the club had something special in a young lad named Haynes, of course if anyone had predicted what Johnny would actually achieve they would have been laughed at.
Oldest game memory...of players that would be Malbranque. Never realized at the time he was 5' 7". I thought he was a much bigger player. He played big. Steeeeeeeed!
Quote from: Forever Fulham on April 23, 2020, 06:12:39 PM
Oldest game memory...of players that would be Malbranque. Never realized at the time he was 5' 7". I thought he was a much bigger player. He played big. Steeeeeeeed!
Yes , Steed is a good early memory to have but there were other memorable players in the team at that time who I am sure you will not forget.
Quote from: jarv on April 23, 2020, 12:02:10 AM
Great book, the body. I am half way through it.
Macedo, Cohen Langley, Mullery (very young) Dodgin Lowe, Key Oconnell Cooke Haynes and Chamberlain. About 1960. (I think).
Exactly same memory as me, Jarv (1960/1961)
Quote from: cottage expat on April 23, 2020, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: jarv on April 23, 2020, 12:02:10 AM
Great book, the body. I am half way through it.
Macedo, Cohen Langley, Mullery (very young) Dodgin Lowe, Key Oconnell Cooke Haynes and Chamberlain. About 1960. (I think).
Exactly same memory as me, Jarv (1960/1961)
That was some team with Macedo , Cohen, Langley, Mullery and Haynes being up to international standard while Tosh has to be the most unforgettable and lovable character that any of us can remember.
Quote from: filham on April 22, 2020, 06:41:13 PM
I recently read Bill Bryson's latest book The Body and was interested to learn that he was a baseball fan and could recall the 1964 team line up for the team he supported, St. Lois Cardinals. Bill was looking to explain why we can have good long term memories capable of storing useless information while having very poor short term memories that fail to hold useful information. He admitted recently forgetting his mobile phone number and the third item of three that his wife had sent him to buy at the supermarket.
I can identify with both the short term memory examples but can do better with the long term memory.
I can clearly remember the Fulham line up for the 1949 team that was promoted from the second division into the top flight for the first time in our history. It was a W formation of :-
Doug Flack
Harry Freeman Joe Buccuzi
Len Quested Jim Taylor Pat Beasley
Bob Thomas Beddy Jezzard
Arthur Stevens Arthur Rowley Macdonald
Not absolutely sure of the Christion name of the left winger but think it was Jack. The doubt is probably because he was new to the team and had replaced a real favourite of mine, Ernie Shepherd, a lovely player who tended to hug the line and had a sweet left foot capable of putting over inch perfect crosses.
Any one else with vivid memories of their early Fulham team
Think the name you might be looking for might be Jack McDonald
When I moved to Southfields from Scotland about age 12, I went to watch a match. I was absolutely gobsmacked how good Haynes was so I came back to the cottage, again and again. Just to see JH. I became a fan of JH first and then Fulham stuck after about 3 matches.
As an adult, I always wanted to play like JH, (who wouldn't). However, at a decent standard, was nowhere near good enough for midfield but was an ok fullback. (right or left).
Quote from: jarv on April 23, 2020, 09:48:56 PM
When I moved to Southfields from Scotland about age 12, I went to watch a match. I was absolutely gobsmacked how good Haynes was so I came back to the cottage, again and again. Just to see JH. I became a fan of JH first and then Fulham stuck after about 3 matches.
As an adult, I always wanted to play like JH, (who wouldn't). However, at a decent standard, was nowhere near good enough for midfield but was an ok fullback. (right or left).
Oh yes Johnny was a role model for me too. If only I could have been blessed with 1% of his talent I may have achieved something in football.
Quote from: filham on April 24, 2020, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: jarv on April 23, 2020, 09:48:56 PM
When I moved to Southfields from Scotland about age 12, I went to watch a match. I was absolutely gobsmacked how good Haynes was so I came back to the cottage, again and again. Just to see JH. I became a fan of JH first and then Fulham stuck after about 3 matches.
As an adult, I always wanted to play like JH, (who wouldn't). However, at a decent standard, was nowhere near good enough for midfield but was an ok fullback. (right or left).
Oh yes Johnny was a role model for me too. If only I could have been blessed with 1% of his talent I may have achieved something in football.
It's interesting when people mention Haynes as I've always had him in my mind down as a CM and don't know if it's right or not and haven't even ever questioned it until now for some reason... but it makes me more curious to know what made him so good when the superstars of these days tend to be forwards or wingers and very occasionally a cb or cm.
Quote from: General on April 24, 2020, 11:23:31 AM
Quote from: filham on April 24, 2020, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: jarv on April 23, 2020, 09:48:56 PM
When I moved to Southfields from Scotland about age 12, I went to watch a match. I was absolutely gobsmacked how good Haynes was so I came back to the cottage, again and again. Just to see JH. I became a fan of JH first and then Fulham stuck after about 3 matches.
As an adult, I always wanted to play like JH, (who wouldn't). However, at a decent standard, was nowhere near good enough for midfield but was an ok fullback. (right or left).
Oh yes Johnny was a role model for me too. If only I could have been blessed with 1% of his talent I may have achieved something in football.
It's interesting when people mention Haynes as I've always had him in my mind down as a CM and don't know if it's right or not and haven't even ever questioned it until now for some reason... but it makes me more curious to know what made him so good when the superstars of these days tend to be forwards or wingers and very occasionally a cb or cm.
Just noticed he was an inside forward which I assume means a number 10 off the front man and at times a CAM... his stats for goals scored for games played dont seem that impressive though he's obviously regarded exceptionally highly.
Quote from: General on April 24, 2020, 11:26:24 AM
Quote from: General on April 24, 2020, 11:23:31 AM
Quote from: filham on April 24, 2020, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: jarv on April 23, 2020, 09:48:56 PM
When I moved to Southfields from Scotland about age 12, I went to watch a match. I was absolutely gobsmacked how good Haynes was so I came back to the cottage, again and again. Just to see JH. I became a fan of JH first and then Fulham stuck after about 3 matches.
As an adult, I always wanted to play like JH, (who wouldn't). However, at a decent standard, was nowhere near good enough for midfield but was an ok fullback. (right or left).
Oh yes Johnny was a role model for me too. If only I could have been blessed with 1% of his talent I may have achieved something in football.
It's interesting when people mention Haynes as I've always had him in my mind down as a CM and don't know if it's right or not and haven't even ever questioned it until now for some reason... but it makes me more curious to know what made him so good when the superstars of these days tend to be forwards or wingers and very occasionally a cb or cm.
Just noticed he was an inside forward which I assume means a number 10 off the front man and at times a CAM... his stats for goals scored for games played dont seem that impressive though he's obviously regarded exceptionally highly.
Johnny was a forward and well capable of scoring goals but with his outstanding passing ability Fulham realised that to get the most out of him it was best to play him deep and using modern terminology he became a box to box player, regularly turning defence into attack.
Our tactics in those days were simple, win the ball and give it to Haynes in midfield, a defence splitting pass down the middle or out wide was then likely to follow.
Make no mistake Haynes was up there with the best in the world.
yes, he was a forward but played deep because of his passing skills. In the 60s, when formation changed to 4-3-3, he was the man in the middle. In fact I recall the midfield 3 for a while was Mullery, Haynes, Robson (Bobby, when he returned to Fulham). That is one heck of a midfield.
Quote from: jarv on April 24, 2020, 03:32:51 PM
yes, he was a forward but played deep because of his passing skills. In the 60s, when formation changed to 4-3-3, he was the man in the middle. In fact I recall the midfield 3 for a while was Mullery, Haynes, Robson (Bobby, when he returned to Fulham). That is one heck of a midfield.
Almost as good as the Haynes Jezzard Robson strike force at the beginning of the Hayne era..
My most vivid early memory was my first game and the only player who stuck was Robin Lawler. For the life of me I just could not understand why he kept running backwards and not tackling the winger.
Shiny long baggy shorts and shirt that looked like .... well a shirt.
Do believe Robin had a long life and died in Fulham aged 93.
The memory I had when I first started watching Fulham, well 2 actually. Was Tosh Chamberlain a lot of times the ball went out of play for a throw on or a corner, he would spend a few seconds talking to the crowd. One of my first memory's was the ritual Jimmy Langley went through before each match tapping his boots against a post. There is actually one more memory if I may be so bold, and that was Bobby Killer Keetch dumping an opponent on the floor, and the player scratching his head wondering what hit him.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on April 25, 2020, 11:10:26 AM
The memory I had when I first started watching Fulham, well 2 actually. Was Tosh Chamberlain a lot of times the ball went out of play for a throw on or a corner, he would spend a few seconds talking to the crowd. One of my first memory's was the ritual Jimmy Langley went through before each match tapping his boots against a post. There is actually one more memory if I may be so bold, and that was Bobby Killer Keetch dumping an opponent on the floor, and the player scratching his head wondering what hit him.
Tosh, Langley and Keetch all larger than life characters, where are their modern day equivalents.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on April 25, 2020, 11:10:26 AM
The memory I had when I first started watching Fulham, well 2 actually. Was Tosh Chamberlain a lot of times the ball went out of play for a throw on or a corner, he would spend a few seconds talking to the crowd. One of my first memory's was the ritual Jimmy Langley went through before each match tapping his boots against a post. There is actually one more memory if I may be so bold, and that was Bobby Killer Keetch dumping an opponent on the floor, and the player scratching his head wondering what hit him.
Watched Killer dump Joe Baker the Arsenal centre forward into the enclosure one game with a ridiculously long sliding tackle, around 1964. We lost 4-3 and the paper report described it as 'on a dank, stygian afternoon'. Funny having never heard those words before i have never forgotten them
Vivid memories too of those 60's players, all real characters, a well as great players.
Jimmy Langley with his bandy legs, long throws and sliding tackles, Eddie Sticks Lowe, long, thin legs pumping as ran back to foil an attack, - my own role model as a young left-half,
Tosh chatting with the crowd, and firing cannonballs - some of which hit the target and were great goals, Bobby Keetch unceremoniously dumping an opposition attacker, a real 60's character with his shock of blonde hair, I think he owned an antique shop and mixed with an arty/rock star crowd, midfield hardman by day, scene setter by night -
and all orchestrated by the aptly named Maestro, who was the reason my dad took me to Fulham in the first place, when i said i wanted to see top team rather than 4th division Crystal Palace, the local team he supported -
'Well, you have to go to Fulham and see Johnny Haynes - no one can pass a football like him.'
And a vivid image of myself, standing on the Riverside terrace half way line, hat adorned with those plastic star shaped badges of the Fulham players, and swinging my huge black and white rattle, which made the noise of a machine gun firing.
Those were the days.
Quote from: Fernhurst on April 24, 2020, 06:15:43 PM
My most vivid early memory was my first game and the only player who stuck was Robin Lawler. For the life of me I just could not understand why he kept running backwards and not tackling the winger.
Shiny long baggy shorts and shirt that looked like .... well a shirt.
Do believe Robin had a long life and died in Fulham aged 93.
I remember Robin Lawler too - a substitute full-back for Jim Langley and George Cohen.
Not a very impressive player compared to those two greats, but I think he had a long and distinguished career at Fulham, through the 50's, and was an Irish international.
When we saw him he was probably near the end of his career.
Quote from: RaySmith on April 25, 2020, 05:37:07 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on April 24, 2020, 06:15:43 PM
My most vivid early memory was my first game and the only player who stuck was Robin Lawler. For the life of me I just could not understand why he kept running backwards and not tackling the winger.
Shiny long baggy shorts and shirt that looked like .... well a shirt.
Do believe Robin had a long life and died in Fulham aged 93.
I remember Robin Lawler too - a substitute full-back for Jim Langley and George Cohen.
Not a very impressive player compared to those two greats, but I think he had a long and distinguished career at Fulham, through the 50's, and was an Irish international.
When we saw him he was probably near the end of his career.
Robin Lawler was a left half that could put in a good shift at left back. I always thought he had a very nice left foot and played a nice clean game.
I was a big fan of Eddie Lowe. Although not the fastest, he was excellent in the air and an aggressive tackler who always played his heart out. If I recall correctly, he was the longest serving Fulham player after the Maestro.
As a young boy Graham Legal always stand out for me.Always thought something would happen when he had the ball
Robin Lawler was a left half that could put in a good shift at left back. I always thought he had a very nice left foot and played a nice clean game.
Thank you Ray, read a post a few weeks ago suggesting Robin was a right back, however, my first game was viewed from The Johnny Haynes stand from seats at the Hammy End. Robin was right in front of us when we kicking toward Putney.
Seemed like a versatile fellow though.
I've posted this once before, under different circumstances.
The year we were relegated and away at Swansea was out final game.
I was in a mixed block of supporters near the halfway line, a mouthy stocky taff in the seat in front
Of me was giving terry Angus so much larrup most of the game, at the final whistle terry made his way towards this individual just as he was climbing the front bit of the stand several stewards restrained him,
I'm pretty sure the mouthy taffeta in front needed to change his underwear when he got home.