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Title: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Maidstone Lee on September 09, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
As things currently stand, any transfers we bring in this week will probably be too late for the Arsenal game which is worryingly defensively but we'll just have to make the best of it. What team would you go for on Saturday?

Mine

            Rodak

Odoi Hector Ream Bryan

       Reed Anguissa
         
Kamara Onomah Kebano

            Mitrovic
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: ByTheRiver on September 09, 2020, 09:40:07 AM
             Rodak

Odoi Hector Ream Bryan

       Reed Anguissa
         
Knockaert Cairney Kamara

            Mitrovic

Odoi to tuck in to form an additional CB in the space Auba likes to occupy with Knockaert dropping back to RWB as needed to support. Kamara on the left cutting in on his right foot. Cav, Kebano, and Onomah off the bench as required to freshen up/chase the game.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Statto on September 09, 2020, 09:40:42 AM
Rodak

Odoi Hector Ream [FFS!!] Bryan

Reed Anguissa
Cairney

Cavaleiro Mitrovic Kamara
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: fulhamben on September 09, 2020, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on September 09, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
As things currently stand, any transfers we bring in this week will probably be too late for the Arsenal game which is worryingly defensively but we'll just have to make the best of it. What team would you go for on Saturday?

Mine

            Rodak

Odoi Hector Ream Bryan

       Reed Anguissa
         
Kamara Onomah Kebano

            Mitrovic
thats exactly who I would pick from our current squad
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Maidstone Lee on September 09, 2020, 10:00:47 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 09, 2020, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on September 09, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
As things currently stand, any transfers we bring in this week will probably be too late for the Arsenal game which is worryingly defensively but we'll just have to make the best of it. What team would you go for on Saturday?

Mine

            Rodak

Odoi Hector Ream Bryan

       Reed Anguissa
         
Kamara Onomah Kebano

            Mitrovic
thats exactly who I would pick from our current squad

Kebano deserves to start after his end of season form and I was stuck between Cairney and Onomah eventually choosing the latter.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: S.F.Sorrow on September 09, 2020, 10:06:55 AM
Anguissa? Didn't he arrive back in training only a couple of days ago? I would like to see him on the bench but I think may be too soon for him to be in the starting 11.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: rebel on September 09, 2020, 10:11:38 AM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on September 09, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
As things currently stand, any transfers we bring in this week will probably be too late for the Arsenal game which is worryingly defensively but we'll just have to make the best of it. What team would you go for on Saturday?

Mine

            Rodak

Odoi Hector Ream Bryan

       Reed Anguissa
         
Kamara Onomah Kebano

            Mitrovic

That's a decent shout. If Mitrovic can get some freekicks around close to there penalty area, then Kebano can potentially exploit that.

There are some 'warriors' in there, Hector, Anguissa, Kamara, Onomah and Mitrovic.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Mullers OG on September 09, 2020, 10:22:09 AM
                     Rodak

Odoi     Hector   Ream    Bryan

                Reed         Onomah

         Cavaleiro    Cairney      Kebano

             
                      Mitrovic


Bench:-

GK (?), Tete, Robinson, Anguissa, Knockhaert, Lemina, Stansfield
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on September 09, 2020, 10:38:09 AM
The good thing is, despite not having a strong squad in all areas there is a genuine debate on who makes the starting 11 in many positions.

         Rodak
Odoi Hector Ream Bryan
          Reed
Reid  Cairney  Kebano
         Onomah 
           Mitro

In the first half I believe SP will not want to give the ball away cheaply and press the opposition with controlled energy while waiting to take our chances when they come.
Fresh legs in the 2nd half such as Kamara, Cav & Knochaert

Zambo and the new guys need to be brought in slowly over the course of the early games.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: fulhamben on September 09, 2020, 10:58:13 AM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on September 09, 2020, 10:00:47 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 09, 2020, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on September 09, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
As things currently stand, any transfers we bring in this week will probably be too late for the Arsenal game which is worryingly defensively but we'll just have to make the best of it. What team would you go for on Saturday?

Mine

            Rodak

Odoi Hector Ream Bryan

       Reed Anguissa
         
Kamara Onomah Kebano

            Mitrovic
thats exactly who I would pick from our current squad

Kebano deserves to start after his end of season form and I was stuck between Cairney and Onomah eventually choosing the latter.
yep, kebano has to start as he's out most inform player and josh gets the nod for me as he is more mobile than tom
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: filham on September 09, 2020, 11:12:39 AM
We finished strongly, lets start where we left off:-
                         
                                              Rodak
                    Odoi        Hector                Ream        Bryan

                                               Reed
                              Onomah                    Cairney
                  Kamara                  Mitro                        Kebano

Possible 60 minute subs  :-     Robinson,    Lemina,  Anguissa ( is he available)







Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Lordedmundo on September 09, 2020, 11:14:37 AM
4-3-3

Rodak

Odoi, Hector, Ream, Bryan

Lemina, Reed
Cairney   

Onomah  
Kamara Mitrovic 

Subs:

Fabri (Areola?)
Christie (Tete?)
Robinson
Anguissa
Reid
Knockaert
Kebano

I was hoping that we would have 2-3 better players to come into the team for game one. That would include a new RB and CB.  As it stands - not convinced we have a good enough starting 11 to stay out of the bottom three.  We need quality players in those 2 positions to sign before the end of the window for me to feel confident about the season.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: FFC1987 on September 09, 2020, 11:18:26 AM
Going a bit different but:

                        Rodak
Odoi          Hector     Ream     Robinson

Kamara    Reed     Anguissa     Bryan
                       Lemina
                       Mitrovic

Was really hard to leave out Cairney!
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Classic94 on September 09, 2020, 11:28:42 AM
Rodak
Bryan Ream Hector Odoi
Reed Anguissa
Kebano Onomah Kamara
Mitrovic

Hopefully Areola, Tete and Aina can be involved in some capacity. We need a CB in by Leeds.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Maidstone Lee on September 09, 2020, 11:37:59 AM
Quote from: Classic94 on September 09, 2020, 11:28:42 AM
Rodak
Bryan Ream Hector Odoi
Reed Anguissa
Kebano Onomah Kamara
Mitrovic

Hopefully Areola, Tete and Aina can be involved in some capacity. We need a CB in by Leeds.
I reckon if they're in by the weekend, our new RB and CB will start in the cup away at Ipswich to bed them in a bit.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: GJB on September 09, 2020, 11:38:17 AM
Rodak
Aina Hector Ream Bryan
Reed, Cairney
Kamara, Onomah, Kebano
Mitro

Lemina has been training with us for long enough to get the box-to-box spot IMO. Ease Anguissa in. Kamara and Onomah in since I can see us relying on counter attacks more against a top 6 side and their strength, pace and ability to drive forward with the ball will be useful.

Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on September 09, 2020, 12:00:11 PM
So many leaving out Cairney?

Didn't have a great PL season last time out.
If his heads not right he can drift out of the game.

But, if he realises it's his last opportunity to use his talents well in the PL and is up for the fight he plays for me.
His performance in the Wembley final may have been outshone by others but he did put himself about and his ability to keep the ball and make space is an asset we will need.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Facts Not Fiction on September 09, 2020, 12:13:15 PM
Rodak

Odoi Hector Ream Bryan

Reed Anguissa

Kamara Onomah Kebano

Mitrovic
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Jim© on September 09, 2020, 12:14:12 PM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on September 09, 2020, 12:00:11 PM
So many leaving out Cairney?

Didn't have a great PL season last time out.
If his heads not right he can drift out of the game.

But, if he realises it's his last opportunity to use his talents well in the PL and is up for the fight he plays for me.
His performance in the Wembley final may have been outshone by others but he did put himself about and his ability to keep the ball and make space is an asset we will need.

Yep, think it's frightening what a team like Arsenal can do if you give the ball away cheaply to them- hence TC starts for me. I thought he was exceptionally good at Wembley, a very different side to his game came out in those last 8 games or so. Looking back at the beginning of last season, he was on fire- scored loads too. I'd play him next to Reed- not an orthodox CM/DM but can do an important job there once Reed's won the ball back.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Andy S on September 09, 2020, 12:55:10 PM
Anguissa not fully up to speed I can see him coming on from the bench in the second half
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: The Rock on September 09, 2020, 01:06:08 PM
Quote from: Andy S on September 09, 2020, 12:55:10 PM
Anguissa not fully up to speed I can see him coming on from the bench in the second half

Or not being introduced at all yet. I think he only started training with the team about a week ago.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: MrFFC on September 09, 2020, 02:24:04 PM
Cairney on the bench? Madness he was unreal v Brentford

For me

                       Rodak

Odoi       Hector    Ream     Bryan

                 Reed   Cairney

Knockeart     Onomah      Kebano

                      Mitro

Subs - Areola Tete Anguissa Lemina Bobby Kamara Cavaleiro
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: roberto w6 on September 09, 2020, 03:00:09 PM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on September 09, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
As things currently stand, any transfers we bring in this week will probably be too late for the Arsenal game which is worryingly defensively but we'll just have to make the best of it. What team would you go for on Saturday?

Mine

            Rodak

Odoi Hector Ream Bryan

       Reed Anguissa
         
Kamara Onomah Kebano

            Mitrovic

I'd give Christie the very slight edge over Denis and would be nervous of starting Anguissa. My own preference (which I know won't be popular here) would be StefJo in that role if he hasn't yet gone, otherwise Cairney. Agree with the front 4 and particularly think that 4-2-3-1 is the way to go against Arsenal
COYW
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: NJFulham on September 09, 2020, 03:20:11 PM
Lemina is absolutely starting Saturday.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Big T on September 09, 2020, 03:37:42 PM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on September 09, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
As things currently stand, any transfers we bring in this week will probably be too late for the Arsenal game which is worryingly defensively but we'll just have to make the best of it. What team would you go for on Saturday?

Mine

            Rodak

Odoi Hector Ream Bryan

       Reed Anguissa
         
Kamara Onomah Kebano

            Mitrovic
Sure yeah let's just go ahead and dump our captain "Our best player"for a player that doesn't even wanna play for our team, that's loyalty For you
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Denver Fulham on September 09, 2020, 03:57:29 PM
I don't think there are too many choices for the opener.

                 Rodak
Christie/Odoi  Hector  Ream  Bryan
       Reed  Lemina/Cairney
Knockaert   Onomah   Kamara/LW
                 Mitrovic

I believe we're back to three subs, so I assume 18-man rosters?

Subs: Backup GK, Odoi/Christie, Robinson, Le Marchand, Anguissa, Cairney/Lemina, and Kebano or Cavaleiro
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Deeping_white on September 09, 2020, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: Big T on September 09, 2020, 03:37:42 PM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on September 09, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
As things currently stand, any transfers we bring in this week will probably be too late for the Arsenal game which is worryingly defensively but we'll just have to make the best of it. What team would you go for on Saturday?

Mine

            Rodak

Odoi Hector Ream Bryan

       Reed Anguissa
         
Kamara Onomah Kebano

            Mitrovic
Sure yeah let's just go ahead and dump our captain "Our best player"for a player that doesn't even wanna play for our team, that's loyalty For you

A) you don't know that Anguissa doesn't want to play for us
B) that midfield is more likely to cope with a fluid Arsenal team
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: RaySmith on September 09, 2020, 04:31:00 PM
Anguissa would surely have to really impress in training to start.

I expect Cairney to start - with his guile, and these days he  works hard  defensively too.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Whitesideup on September 09, 2020, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on September 09, 2020, 12:00:11 PM
So many leaving out Cairney?

Didn't have a great PL season last time out.
If his heads not right he can drift out of the game.

But, if he realises it's his last opportunity to use his talents well in the PL and is up for the fight he plays for me.
His performance in the Wembley final may have been outshone by others but he did put himself about and his ability to keep the ball and make space is an asset we will need.
When Tom played centrally and without Seri he looked much better. For me Seri occupies the same space as Tom, and neither has the flexibility to alter their role. Under Ranieri he was largely banished to the right-wing, a position that doesn't really suit him.  Like many players he did not have the best of seasons, but at times, when in the right position in the right set-up, he looked premier league quality.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Artful Dodger on September 09, 2020, 09:48:18 PM
                     Areola
Christie    Hector      Ream    Odoi     Bryan
            Reed           Anguissa
                   Cairney
           Kamara        Mitrovic

Need to keep it tight and play our 5 at the back from the start. We can't try and go toe to toe with a top 6 side like we did 2 years ago. With AK and Mitro upfront, their defenders will know they have been in a game and hopefully Cairney can get some space to set a chance or two up.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Maidstone Lee on September 09, 2020, 10:00:48 PM
Quote from: Big T on September 09, 2020, 03:37:42 PM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on September 09, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
As things currently stand, any transfers we bring in this week will probably be too late for the Arsenal game which is worryingly defensively but we'll just have to make the best of it. What team would you go for on Saturday?

Mine

            Rodak

Odoi Hector Ream Bryan

       Reed Anguissa
         
Kamara Onomah Kebano

            Mitrovic
Sure yeah let's just go ahead and dump our captain "Our best player"for a player that doesn't even wanna play for our team, that's loyalty For you
Cairney isn't our best player and how do you know Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Prem?
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: twang on September 09, 2020, 10:14:49 PM
Rodak
Odoi - Hector - Ream - Bryan
Reed - Lemina
Kamara - Cairney - Kebano
Mitrovic

Bench: Areola, Christie, Le Marchand, Anguissa, Onomah, Decordova-Reid & Cavaleiro/Knockaert
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: We Are Premier League on September 09, 2020, 11:22:31 PM
Rodak

Odoi       Hector    Ream     Bryan

                 Reed   Cairney

Knockeart     Onomah      Robinson

                      Mitro
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: The Rational Fan on September 10, 2020, 06:45:23 AM
Quote from: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.

Due to the short pre-season, we need to be careful to only play players against Arsenal that are at peak fitness as they are the least likely to get injured so we can have the full squad available for Leeds and Aston Villa, etc. If we can save Mitro and Cav for later games, then it would be wise. It seems saving Mitro maybe difficult without another inform striker, but saving Cav's body is a no brainer given Kebano is in the form of his life.   
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: colham on September 10, 2020, 06:54:07 AM
I'd expect Areola to be a starter.  I think we'll also go for a bit of consistency first game out other than that, with Lemina and Anguissa on the bench maybe.

                 Areola
    Odoi. Hector. Ream.  Bryan
                 Reed
      Cairney.     Onomah 
Knockaert.           Cavaleiro
                 Mitro


Subs:
Rodak
Christie
Anguissa
Lemina
Kebano
Kamara
Robinson
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: rebel on September 10, 2020, 08:13:31 AM
          Areola

Odoi Hector Ream Bryan

       Reed Anguissa
         
Kamara Onomah Kebano

            Mitrovic
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Sting of the North on September 10, 2020, 08:14:06 AM
Quote from: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.

Good to see that you still harbor an unusual level of hate for Cav, and that you found a thread in which to express it.

On topic:

Rodak
Odoi, Hector, Ream, Bryan
Reed, Anguissa
Kamara, Cairney, Reid
Mitro

Subs: Areola, MLM, Robinson, Christie, Onomah, Kebano, Knockaert
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Deeping_white on September 10, 2020, 08:18:58 AM
Quote from: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.

What is your problem with him? 90% of your posts are about Cav, you're genuinely obsessed with him and it's not healthy at all
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: fulhamben on September 10, 2020, 08:18:58 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 10, 2020, 08:14:06 AM
Quote from: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.

Good to see that you still harbor an unusual level of hate for Cav, and that you found a thread in which to express it.

On topic:

Rodak
Odoi, Hector, Ream, Bryan
Reed, Anguissa
Kamara, Cairney, Reid
Mitro

Subs: Areola, MLM, Robinson, Christie, Onomah, Kebano, Knockaert
do you mind if I ask what you thinking is about dropping kebano who imo is our most inform player for Reid is?
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Maidstone Lee on September 10, 2020, 08:31:42 AM
Really hope we won't be starting players in poor form such as Cavaleiro and Reid as people have suggested.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 10, 2020, 08:38:34 AM
Quote from: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.

Cav has been a passenger for quite a while and has very little impact if any at all when he comes on, he should not be chosen ahead of Kamara and Kebano or Knocky even.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Sting of the North on September 10, 2020, 08:39:36 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 10, 2020, 08:18:58 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 10, 2020, 08:14:06 AM
Quote from: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.

Good to see that you still harbor an unusual level of hate for Cav, and that you found a thread in which to express it.

On topic:

Rodak
Odoi, Hector, Ream, Bryan
Reed, Anguissa
Kamara, Cairney, Reid
Mitro

Subs: Areola, MLM, Robinson, Christie, Onomah, Kebano, Knockaert
do you mind if I ask what you thinking is about dropping kebano who imo is our most inform player for Reid is?

Sure.

On Kebano:
I am not sure that form counts for as much anymore after several weeks between games. I also am of the opinion that Kebano's top form was more of a fluke (in that almost everything ended up in goal for a few games) and that he will go back to performing as a decent sub at best as I don't think he is PL quality in any aspects of his play really (other than possibly his free kicks). I do like the guy, and he's a hard trier, but for most of his time with us he has contributed very little on field (I get a feeling that he's a great teammate though).

On Reid:
I like his running and link up play that opens up a lot of space for other players. Feels his general play is very underrated because of his bad scoring record, and that he has several qualities that works also on PL level.

In short, I believe there is a higher chance of Reid performing well and contributing positively in the PL.

Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: @jolslover on September 10, 2020, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: Statto on September 09, 2020, 09:40:42 AM
Rodak

Odoi Hector Ream [FFS!!] Bryan

Reed Anguissa
Cairney

Cavaleiro Mitrovic Kamara

This - maybe with Onomah in for Cairney
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: MrFFC on September 10, 2020, 08:51:16 AM
Ivan Cavaleiro will come good this season
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: The Rational Fan on September 10, 2020, 08:52:44 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 10, 2020, 08:38:34 AM
Quote from: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.

Cav has been a passenger for quite a while and has very little impact if any at all when he comes on, he should not be chosen ahead of Kamara and Kebano or Knocky even.

A little harsh, Cav has been rumoured sick and definitely been injured since lockdown. He recovered well and may not be an inform player, but he was ok with real quality in his boots and has years left on his contract at Fulham.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 10, 2020, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 10, 2020, 06:45:23 AM
Quote from: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.

Due to the short pre-season, we need to be careful to only play players against Arsenal that are at peak fitness as they are the least likely to get injured so we can have the full squad available for Leeds and Aston Villa, etc. If we can save Mitro and Cav for later games, then it would be wise. It seems saving Mitro maybe difficult without another inform striker, but saving Cav's body is a no brainer given Kebano is in the form of his life.   

By the Beard of Zeus !!
Saving Cavs body for what exactly ? Do you mean research on the effects on a body that put its feet up and has been idle for ten months sleepwalking and loafing around a football pitch comatose, the bloke doesn't even look interested, the only time I have seen him break sweat was in the celebrations after the play off final. When he collected his medal was the quickest I have seen him move for ages.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: The Rational Fan on September 10, 2020, 08:56:45 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 10, 2020, 08:39:36 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 10, 2020, 08:18:58 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 10, 2020, 08:14:06 AM
Quote from: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.

Good to see that you still harbor an unusual level of hate for Cav, and that you found a thread in which to express it.

On topic:

Rodak
Odoi, Hector, Ream, Bryan
Reed, Anguissa
Kamara, Cairney, Reid
Mitro

Subs: Areola, MLM, Robinson, Christie, Onomah, Kebano, Knockaert
do you mind if I ask what you thinking is about dropping kebano who imo is our most inform player for Reid is?

Sure.

On Kebano:
I am not sure that form counts for as much anymore after several weeks between games. I also am of the opinion that Kebano's top form was more of a fluke (in that almost everything ended up in goal for a few games) and that he will go back to performing as a decent sub at best as I don't think he is PL quality in any aspects of his play really (other than possibly his free kicks). I do like the guy, and he's a hard trier, but for most of his time with us he has contributed very little on field (I get a feeling that he's a great teammate though).

On Reid:
I like his running and link up play that opens up a lot of space for other players. Feels his general play is very underrated because of his bad scoring record, and that he has several qualities that works also on PL level.

In short, I believe there is a higher chance of Reid performing well and contributing positively in the PL.

We currently have Knockaert, Kamara, Cav, Reid, and Kebano that are all excellent squad players, but I suspect everyone in that group has the four games before deadline day, to find if two of them are premier league starters.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 10, 2020, 09:00:45 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 10, 2020, 08:52:44 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 10, 2020, 08:38:34 AM
Quote from: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.

Cav has been a passenger for quite a while and has very little impact if any at all when he comes on, he should not be chosen ahead of Kamara and Kebano or Knocky even.

A little harsh, Cav has been rumoured sick and definitely been injured since lockdown. He recovered well and may not be an inform player, but he was ok with real quality in his boots and has years left on his contract at Fulham.

Rumoured sick you say, then why has he more often than not been in the squad, sick of what exactly having to run around a football pitch to earn his inflated salary, so you are now resorting to rumour mongering. I don't know whether you may have noticed but he is supposed to be an athlete in a competition, which means if selected or find yourself on the field of play during a match, you are actually suppose to compete, that is why it is called a competition.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Deeping_white on September 10, 2020, 09:04:34 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 10, 2020, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 10, 2020, 06:45:23 AM
Quote from: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.

Due to the short pre-season, we need to be careful to only play players against Arsenal that are at peak fitness as they are the least likely to get injured so we can have the full squad available for Leeds and Aston Villa, etc. If we can save Mitro and Cav for later games, then it would be wise. It seems saving Mitro maybe difficult without another inform striker, but saving Cav's body is a no brainer given Kebano is in the form of his life.   

By the Beard of Zeus !!
Saving Cavs body for what exactly ? Do you mean research on the effects on a body that put its feet up and has been idle for ten months sleepwalking and loafing around a football pitch comatose, the bloke doesn't even look interested, the only time I have seen him break sweat was in the celebrations after the play off final. When he collected his medal was the quickest I have seen him move for ages.

Did you log out of one account and into the other to post this response?
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: alfie on September 10, 2020, 09:22:02 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 10, 2020, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 10, 2020, 06:45:23 AM
Quote from: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.

Due to the short pre-season, we need to be careful to only play players against Arsenal that are at peak fitness as they are the least likely to get injured so we can have the full squad available for Leeds and Aston Villa, etc. If we can save Mitro and Cav for later games, then it would be wise. It seems saving Mitro maybe difficult without another inform striker, but saving Cav's body is a no brainer given Kebano is in the form of his life.   

By the Beard of Zeus !!
Saving Cavs body for what exactly ? Do you mean research on the effects on a body that put its feet up and has been idle for ten months sleepwalking and loafing around a football pitch comatose, the bloke doesn't even look interested, the only time I have seen him break sweat was in the celebrations after the play off final. When he collected his medal was the quickest I have seen him move for ages.

Gotta question you Woolly, how do you know Zeus had a beard?
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Statto on September 10, 2020, 09:33:22 AM
FWIW I put Cavaleiro in my starting XI because he scored and created more goals than any of our other wingers last season. Sorry but I'm just a bit old fashioned like that.

Also that's despite him generally playing on the left which is his weaker side.

And he has the most pace after Kamara.

I also don't really think form is relevant when this is a new season.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 10, 2020, 09:54:42 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 10, 2020, 09:04:34 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 10, 2020, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 10, 2020, 06:45:23 AM
Quote from: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.

Due to the short pre-season, we need to be careful to only play players against Arsenal that are at peak fitness as they are the least likely to get injured so we can have the full squad available for Leeds and Aston Villa, etc. If we can save Mitro and Cav for later games, then it would be wise. It seems saving Mitro maybe difficult without another inform striker, but saving Cav's body is a no brainer given Kebano is in the form of his life.   

By the Beard of Zeus !!
Saving Cavs body for what exactly ? Do you mean research on the effects on a body that put its feet up and has been idle for ten months sleepwalking and loafing around a football pitch comatose, the bloke doesn't even look interested, the only time I have seen him break sweat was in the celebrations after the play off final. When he collected his medal was the quickest I have seen him move for ages.

Did you log out of one account and into the other to post this response?

Wrong again !!
Nope did you oh wise one ????
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 10, 2020, 09:56:18 AM
Quote from: alfie on September 10, 2020, 09:22:02 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 10, 2020, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 10, 2020, 06:45:23 AM
Quote from: clarkey on September 10, 2020, 04:10:29 AM
I find it truly amazing that some posters think Cav a reasonable starter. He has shown no evidence of being in anyway a useful addition to the front line for almost 10 months. What is it that he brings, poor at closing down, slows every attack down, can't beat a man, shooting is wayward....what is the point ? Kamara every single time and Knoc ahead in the queue, I think we should get rid asap.

Due to the short pre-season, we need to be careful to only play players against Arsenal that are at peak fitness as they are the least likely to get injured so we can have the full squad available for Leeds and Aston Villa, etc. If we can save Mitro and Cav for later games, then it would be wise. It seems saving Mitro maybe difficult without another inform striker, but saving Cav's body is a no brainer given Kebano is in the form of his life.   

By the Beard of Zeus !!
Saving Cavs body for what exactly ? Do you mean research on the effects on a body that put its feet up and has been idle for ten months sleepwalking and loafing around a football pitch comatose, the bloke doesn't even look interested, the only time I have seen him break sweat was in the celebrations after the play off final. When he collected his medal was the quickest I have seen him move for ages.

Gotta question you Woolly, how do you know Zeus had a beard?


I observed a statue in Greece of him, and he hadn't shaved for at least 8 months
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: fulhamben on September 10, 2020, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 09:33:22 AM
FWIW I put Cavaleiro in my starting XI because he scored and created more goals than any of our other wingers last season. Sorry but I'm just a bit old fashioned like that.

Also that's despite him generally playing on the left which is his weaker side.

And he has the most pace after Kamara.

I also don't really think form is relevant when this is a new season.
im surprised at this statto. Was expecting you to be a little more in depth. Cav scored one more than kebano but cav stats are 534 Mpg where as kebanos were 159 mpg that's a huge difference with kamara being second best with 289 mpg
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Maidstone Lee on September 10, 2020, 10:15:01 AM
Quote from: MrFFC on September 10, 2020, 08:51:16 AM
Ivan Cavaleiro will come good this season

Interested why you think he will come good in the Premier League when he was poor in the Championship?
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Moltobueno on September 10, 2020, 10:31:28 AM
What I'd like to see is 4-3-3:

                      Rodak

Christie      Hector     Ream    Bryan

                       Reed
         Cairney              Onomah

Knockaert                             Kamara
                       Mitrovic





What I think we will see 5-3-2:

                          Rodak

Christie     Odoi   Hector  Ream  Bryan

          Cairney      Reed     Onomah

                   Mitrovic    Reid
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: fulhamben on September 10, 2020, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: Moltobueno on September 10, 2020, 10:31:28 AM
What I'd like to see is 4-3-3:

                      Rodak

Christie      Hector     Ream    Bryan

                       Reed
         Cairney              Onomah

Knockaert                             Kamara
                       Mitrovic





What I think we will see 5-3-2:

                          Rodak

Christie     Odoi   Hector  Ream  Bryan

          Cairney      Reed     Onomah

                   Mitrovic    Reid
i don't think we will see a 5 3 2 especially not with reid up top it just makes us so narrow. And we will get pinned back to easily.
Title: Re: Team for Arsenal
Post by: Statto on September 10, 2020, 01:10:41 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 10, 2020, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 09:33:22 AM
FWIW I put Cavaleiro in my starting XI because he scored and created more goals than any of our other wingers last season. Sorry but I'm just a bit old fashioned like that.

Also that's despite him generally playing on the left which is his weaker side.

And he has the most pace after Kamara.

I also don't really think form is relevant when this is a new season.
im surprised at this statto. Was expecting you to be a little more in depth. Cav scored one more than kebano but cav stats are 534 Mpg where as kebanos were 159 mpg that's a huge difference with kamara being second best with 289 mpg

Not really sure MPG is a useful metric when you're talking about players who've only made 8-9 starts. If Stansfield had come on for a one-minute cameo somewhere and scored a tap-in, his MPG would have been 1, but it wouldn't mean he was better than Mitrovic.

You may also have noticed we play with two wingers, one on each side of the pitch. So playing Cavaleiro doesn't mean dropping both Kamara and Kebano, just one of them. I'd have both Kamara and Cavaleiro starting (assuming we don't sign Benrahma or Bale this afternoon).

Kebano isn't quite good enough IMO (sorry but a few free kicks in the run in isn't equivalent to a respectable full season) and Knockaert is just nowhere, couldn't hit a cow's ar$e with a banjo these days and can't even seem to create goals for other people. How he cocked up that 2v1 when we could have gone 3-0 up in the play-off final, I will never know.