I think it is in the Evening Standard that Scott Parker wants to sign 30 year old Gayle from Newcastle.
Good signing or not.
Not for me, i'd like to see us sign el buffalo from rangers, bargain at 15m
No for me, had one decent season in the prem with Palace but struggled to score regularly at this level for a few seasons now
Surely there must be better options out there? Think he'll be cheap & prolific in the championship should we go down so we'll probably get him
No from me.He will be looking for a fat contract as it maybe his last and I would prefer someone fitter and younger if we want a permanent signing.
Quote from: Stef 73 on January 07, 2021, 05:51:34 PM
Not for me, i'd like to see us sign el buffalo from rangers, bargain at 15m
You joking? Even Rangers fans want him out. Past his best, overweight and a bit of a scumbag. Wouldn't pay 5m for him.
No, Fulham wanting him has gone on for years. He has in reality only had a couple of decent season in the championship (includes hat-ricks, so a bit flattering). Really hasn't done it in the Prem. Too injury prone.
I would take a punt on him for the right price/contract. I know he's had injury issues but he knows how to find the back of the net. Whoever we get we all know we need someone who can score goals. We've shored up our defence and now this is our weakness. Without goals we can't win games and that will mean relegation for sure.
Will he score more goals than AK, Kebano or Cav, or maybe even the 3 of them added together....yes probably...a relatively cheap option to try and keep us in the PL...go for it Fulham!!
No thanks
Buy? As in lock in an unrealiable, non-premier league proven striker that can't give us a consistent 80 minutes a game?
Heck no.
And the main reason? Even if he's only 15 million, I'd rather add that 15 to another 15 and get a 30 million striker that could be our main premier league striker for the next 4-5 seasons.
I don't rate Gayle at the EPL level at all. Better than RLC and Cav? Sure...at finishing. Not sure he's better at anything else.
Past his best at 24? Would love to see him playing up front with mitro, would be savage
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 07, 2021, 07:01:08 PM
Buy? As in lock in an unrealiable, non-premier league proven striker that can't give us a consistent 80 minutes a game?
Heck no.
And the main reason? Even if he's only 15 million, I'd rather add that 15 to another 15 and get a 30 million striker that could be our main premier league striker for the next 4-5 seasons.
I don't rate Gayle at the EPL level at all. Better than RLC and Cav? Sure...at finishing. Not sure he's better at anything else.
And who do you suggest? We need someone in, asap, who can hit the ground running, score some goals and help keep us up. That's all we need to be concerned with atm, staying up. Never mind the next 4/5 seasons!
Plus i doubt a £30m striker would sign for us
I would take him for 8 to 10 million with a bonus for newcastle should we stay up and for what its worth I would bring in sturridge too
Dembele at Peterborough might be a better prospect. Or how about Toney at Brentford, worth a try. They are out there closer to home than you can imagine. Even Sturridge could do a job short term to keep us afloat if he is managed correctly. Not forgetting Josh King at Bournemouth & Boscombe.
Money talks and it can talk very loudly if Fulham uses their loaf.
Quote from: Fulham 442 on January 07, 2021, 07:15:24 PM
And who do you suggest? We need someone in, asap, who can hit the ground running, score some goals and help keep us up. That's all we need to be concerned with atm, staying up. Never mind the next 4/5 seasons!
Spot on.
No matter how good someone might be in seasons to come, we can't be doing with buying a player who will need a dozen matches to get up to speed. Because, by the time he is, it'll probably be too late.
Quote from: Arthur on January 07, 2021, 08:08:25 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on January 07, 2021, 07:15:24 PM
And who do you suggest? We need someone in, asap, who can hit the ground running, score some goals and help keep us up. That's all we need to be concerned with atm, staying up. Never mind the next 4/5 seasons!
Spot on.
No matter how good someone might be in season's to come, we can't be doing with buying a player who will need a dozen matches to get up to speed. Because, by the time he is, it'll probably be too late.
and so say all of us.
If Scott thinks Gayle can do a job, and feels he can fit in with the team then I'm all for this - he's experienced and can score at this level.
If we can get him, get him, there isn't much time to mess around, and i trust those more in the know than myself.
look at Babel, noone thought he would do anything, yet he was one of our best players, and we wished he'd been with us from the start of the season.
Gayle knows the PL and he can hit the ground running, so I'd be happy to have him. Proven goal scorer in the Championship also. Personally, I'd prefer someone like Origi from Liverpool, on loan. If Liverpool go out of the cup this week, he is not going to get much game time. Hope we get some attacking players in before the Chelsea game. Can't afford to wait until the end of the window.
Quote from: Stef 73 on January 07, 2021, 05:51:34 PM
Not for me, i'd like to see us sign el buffalo from rangers, bargain at 15m
Definitely not. He'd be forever serving bans down here.
He's almost at the end of his contract and scores goals in the Championship. So maybe a relatively safe buy if things don't go our way this season.
Quote from: I Ronic on January 07, 2021, 08:24:21 PM
He's almost at the end of his contract and scores goals in the Championship. So maybe a relatively safe buy if things don't go our way this season.
This is a good point!
And what's to say he won't score goals. Also if we don't have the dosh then he is worth a punt if cheap.
Ighalo at United for me.
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Quote from: Fulham 442 on January 07, 2021, 07:15:24 PM
And who do you suggest? We need someone in, asap, who can hit the ground running, score some goals and help keep us up. That's all we need to be concerned with atm, staying up. Never mind the next 4/5 seasons!
Agree completely. Unfortunately I don't Gayle has proven at this level that he's worth a buy to play in our current offense. We don't just need our attacker to "score some goals". Mitro can score some goals. He just hasn't been able to do it consistently at this level. Imo, at this level, neither has Gayle. And based on his numbers over the past 12 months...I wouldn't want to spend money on him when he's likely not to give us 80 minutes a game.
Quote from: RaySmith on January 07, 2021, 08:11:57 PM
If Scott thinks Gayle can do a job, and feels he can fit in with the team then I'm all for this - he's experienced and can score at this level.
If we can get him, get him, there isn't much time to mess around, and i trust those more in the know than myself.
look at Babel, noone thought he would do anything, yet he was one of our best players, and we wished he'd been with us from the start of the season.
I dont get the obsession with Babel
Yes he was amazing when he played for us but that is two years ago
Its like saying Mullery could still do a job for us
Quote from: Arthur on January 07, 2021, 08:08:25 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on January 07, 2021, 07:15:24 PM
And who do you suggest? We need someone in, asap, who can hit the ground running, score some goals and help keep us up. That's all we need to be concerned with atm, staying up. Never mind the next 4/5 seasons!
Spot on.
No matter how good someone might be in seasons to come, we can't be doing with buying a player who will need a dozen matches to get up to speed. Because, by the time he is, it'll probably be too late.
But Dwight isn't up to speed. He's not a good EPL striker. His work rate isn't up to par... so why would we buy him if, as I think we both agree, the idea is to get a player to help us stay up?
Sounds a reasonably safe bet and is probably better than any one we have at the moment but why is he not getting games where he is.
Quote from: filham on January 07, 2021, 10:12:57 PM
Sounds a reasonably safe bet and is probably better than any one we have at the moment but why is he not getting games where he is.
This. (https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-dwight-gayle-fitness-brentford-19503726)
QuoteThe striker has broken down three times with injuries during Bruce's stint as boss but has played in the last three matches as sub, scoring the winner against West Bromwich Albion to add to his four-goal tally from last season.
And this.. (https://www.teamtalk.com/news/newcastle-will-block-january-sale-of-gayle#:~:text=Newcastle%20will%20block%20injured%20striker,a%20cut-price%20fee%22.)
QuoteHe picked up a knee injury in the pre-season victory over Crewe and it was later discovered he had damaged medial collateral ligaments.
People are already on RLC for not playing like he's 100% healthy, but we want to replace him on the pitch with Dwight Gayle?
Dan Sturridge for me....but, what do I know
He has featured for Newcastle in recent games, though not a starter hassn't he?
Maybe he doesn't suit the manager's tactics, and they have an expensive new young strikers anyway, but that doesn't mean Gayle can't do a job for us, and score goals.
All signings are a gamble, whoever they are, but as i said, if Scott and staff think he can do a job, help us score more....
We've certainly been linked with him for long enough.
See if he comes , anyway. If he does i'll give him a chance.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 07, 2021, 07:01:08 PM
Buy? As in lock in an unrealiable, non-premier league proven striker that can't give us a consistent 80 minutes a game?
Heck no.
And the main reason? Even if he's only 15 million, I'd rather add that 15 to another 15 and get a 30 million striker that could be our main premier league striker for the next 4-5 seasons.
I don't rate Gayle at the EPL level at all. Better than RLC and Cav? Sure...at finishing. Not sure he's better at anything else.
He'll probably cost about £5m tops, at that value he's worth a punt even if we keep him should we go down because he can score in this championship and with the way we play I think he'd be a decent gamble at the right price. Yes there are better players in foreign leagues that might cost about £10m+ but it's very rare that you find someone like Pogrebnyak in January who comes in and makes an instant impact and gambling on that isn't a good idea. Tbh we should be looking at Gayle and Demarai Gray/ S Dembele because these are players out of contact in summer and we could structure deals with a lower up front payment and a bonus if we stay up, meaning they haven't cost much and can become squad players next year when we go and buy new starters
I saw him score two late goals against us on our last day in the Prem way back in May 2014, he was so strong for Palace that day, really dominant. And I know what you're thinking, that was 6 years ago when he was 24.
But when Steve Bruce threw him on late against us a few weeks ago I was nervous and sure enough he scored one and could have had another.
I like Gayle very much. I say yes.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 07, 2021, 10:20:38 PM
Quote from: filham on January 07, 2021, 10:12:57 PM
Sounds a reasonably safe bet and is probably better than any one we have at the moment but why is he not getting games where he is.
This. (https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-dwight-gayle-fitness-brentford-19503726)
QuoteThe striker has broken down three times with injuries during Bruce's stint as boss but has played in the last three matches as sub, scoring the winner against West Bromwich Albion to add to his four-goal tally from last season.
And this.. (https://www.teamtalk.com/news/newcastle-will-block-january-sale-of-gayle#:~:text=Newcastle%20will%20block%20injured%20striker,a%20cut-price%20fee%22.)
QuoteHe picked up a knee injury in the pre-season victory over Crewe and it was later discovered he had damaged medial collateral ligaments.
People are already on RLC for not playing like he's 100% healthy, but we want to replace him on the pitch with Dwight Gayle?
no, we want to replace one goal in 31 Games cav with Gayle. Rubens will hopefully be replaced by someone else.
So the suggestion is to buy a 31-year-old injury prone striker, who has barely played 900 minutes since last season.
Thank you, but no - prefer to have Mitrovic or even Kamara up front.
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Nah,,already had one expense Newcastle player at the Premier level, just like Mitro a great Championship player..
During Dwight Gayle's EPL career, he has played 123 games out of the 207 games that he was at an EPL club and he has scored 26 goals with 6 assists. We have 23 games left, so assuming he is still at the peak of his career and continues at his previous performance, could expect him to play 14 games, to score 3 goals, and to get 1 assist. In the first half of 18/19, Kamara played 13 games, scored 2 non-penalty goals, therefore Gayle is a 2 goal upgrade.
Quote from: sunburywhite on January 07, 2021, 09:56:13 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on January 07, 2021, 08:11:57 PM
If Scott thinks Gayle can do a job, and feels he can fit in with the team then I'm all for this - he's experienced and can score at this level.
If we can get him, get him, there isn't much time to mess around, and i trust those more in the know than myself.
look at Babel, noone thought he would do anything, yet he was one of our best players, and we wished he'd been with us from the start of the season.
I dont get the obsession with Babel
Yes he was amazing when he played for us but that is two years ago
Its like saying Mullery could still do a job for us
Well, I was just using Babel as an example - the attitudes towards him when he signed re signing Gayle, who could maybe do a Babel, who wasn't seen as a good signing.
Though i have argued that Babel would have been a good signing earlier this season, but now i read he's been ill.
But, with respect, it wouldn't have been like saying that Mullery could do a good job for us now. Though maybe like arguing like Mullery could do a good job when he did return at the end of his career - when he led us to an FA Cup Final.
I'm losing track here.....
Gayle could be a decent signing, but I trust Scott's judgement.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 08, 2021, 02:52:28 AM
During Dwight Gayle's EPL career, he has played 123 games out of the 207 games that he was at an EPL club and he has scored 26 goals with 6 assists. We have 23 games left, so assuming he is still at the peak of his career and continues at his previous performance, could expect him to play 14 games, to score 3 goals, and to get 1 assist. In the first half of 18/19, Kamara played 13 games, scored 2 non-penalty goals, therefore Gayle is a 2 goal upgrade.
Yes, but maybe those three goals could be a hat trick at Burnley!
Quote from: RaySmith on January 08, 2021, 05:08:22 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 08, 2021, 02:52:28 AM
During Dwight Gayle's EPL career, he has played 123 games out of the 207 games that he was at an EPL club and he has scored 26 goals with 6 assists. We have 23 games left, so assuming he is still at the peak of his career and continues at his previous performance, could expect him to play 14 games, to score 3 goals, and to get 1 assist. In the first half of 18/19, Kamara played 13 games, scored 2 non-penalty goals, therefore Gayle is a 2 goal upgrade.
Yes, but maybe those three goals could be a hat trick at Burnley!
And, that £5m spent on Gayle might mean we have to sell Tosin next season.
He's 31 and will be 32 in October. Deal makes no sense to me. Would rather go down than be stuck with him on a long term contract as he goes into decline, especially if his injury record continues in the same vein.
No from me, need. To unearth someone from abroad or invest in Dembele from Peterborough, one for now and the future.
I watched Gayle play as a late sub for Newcastle quite recently and I cannot recall being anything other than thinking 'well that substitution didn't go too well did it Mr Bruce?'.
What problem are we tring to solve? As far as I can tell we are needing to convert a smaller number of attacks into larger numbers of chances to score with players who are still trying to link together cohesively. There are positive signs that the team is slowly binding together better and although I still question Parker's selections at every opportunity I am also aware that the players whose selection I would question clearly show progress with each game. What is most often missing IMO is better decision making prior to taking a shot, trying to beat a defender, seeing a clever pass and then clinically executing that decision. That is about composure and the additional micro-seconds that quality provides. Find strikers with that quality and the problem resolves itself. Bring in the wrong strikers and you exacerbate the problem at the same time a setting back the gain already made.
The team we have is more than capable of taking us well up the table and we should be looking to make it better and not making it worse.
18 month deal, need someone like him now, good back up for next season. Depends on fee of course
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It's a NO from Blin go. Too old, not good enough and another dodgy knee purchase, would be bad business.
Quote from: FulhamStu on January 08, 2021, 08:23:13 AM
No from me, need. To unearth someone from abroad or invest in Dembele from Peterborough, one for now and the future.
He looks exciting and I'd like to see him here. Not sure we should be pinning our hopes on a League 1 striker though.
The best thing for him is probably to see out the contract, he can then negotiate with everyone and sign a final large contract as a free transfer this summer. It also doesnt make much sense for them to sell him to a relegation rival mid season for a few million; risking that we stay up and they go down...
I would take him if the price was right, but i dont think it will happen.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 07, 2021, 10:01:04 PM
Quote from: Arthur on January 07, 2021, 08:08:25 PM
No matter how good someone might be in seasons to come, we can't be doing with buying a player who will need a dozen matches to get up to speed. Because, by the time he is, it'll probably be too late.
But Dwight isn't up to speed. He's not a good EPL striker. His work rate isn't up to par... so why would we buy him if, as I think we both agree, the idea is to get a player to help us stay up?
Gayle may not be a good P.L. striker. But we're not going to be signing a good P.L. striker in this window. Even if a club were prepared to let one of its 'good' strikers leave (e.g. Giroud at Ch***ea), he'll have plenty of better places he can go than to a relegation-threatened outfit such as us.
What we're going to get is one of the following: an 'ordinary' striker with P.L. experience; a striker from a lower league with the potential to do well; or a striker from a European league. A striker with P.L. experience is 'up to speed' in that he knows what to expect from P.L. football; he won't - in the weeks ahead - be using up important game time adapting to its pace and intensity. Maybe a better 'ordinary' striker than Gayle is there to be had. If so, I hope we get him.
The greatest risk we would be taking with Gayle, it seems, is his ability to stay fit. What chance he can make it through to the end of the season? Because - in terms of his fitness - that's all we need. And would he, then, score enough goals? Difficult to say when we don't actually know how many 'enough' is. But we can be fairly certain he'll score more frequently than Mitrovic or Cavaleiro have done, and this is as much as we can expect of whomever we bring in.
What we shouldn't prioritise in this window is any player who will be great in the P.L. from next season onwards.
Quote from: Arthur on January 08, 2021, 02:22:16 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 07, 2021, 10:01:04 PM
Quote from: Arthur on January 07, 2021, 08:08:25 PM
No matter how good someone might be in seasons to come, we can't be doing with buying a player who will need a dozen matches to get up to speed. Because, by the time he is, it'll probably be too late.
But Dwight isn't up to speed. He's not a good EPL striker. His work rate isn't up to par... so why would we buy him if, as I think we both agree, the idea is to get a player to help us stay up?
Gayle may not be a good P.L. striker. But we're not going to be signing a good P.L. striker in this window. Even if a club were prepared to let one of its 'good' strikers leave (e.g. Giroud at Ch***ea), he'll have plenty of better places he can go than to a relegation-threatened outfit such as us.
What we're going to get is one of the following: an 'ordinary' striker with P.L. experience; a striker from a lower league with the potential to do well; or a striker from a European league. A striker with P.L. experience is 'up to speed' in that he knows what to expect from P.L. football; he won't - in the weeks ahead - be using up important game time adapting to its pace and intensity. Maybe a better 'ordinary' striker than Gayle is there to be had. If so, I hope we get him.
The greatest risk we would be taking with Gayle, it seems, is his ability to stay fit. What chance he can make it through to the end of the season? Because - in terms of his fitness - that's all we need. And would he, then, score enough goals? Difficult to say when we don't actually know how many 'enough' is. But we can be fairly certain he'll score more frequently than Mitrovic or Cavaleiro have done, and this is as much as we can expect of whomever we bring in.
What we shouldn't prioritise in this window is any player who will be great in the P.L. from next season onwards.
If Gayle wasn't recently injured, and if we didn't expect the incoming player to play heavy minutes (22 games...80 minutes per game) I'd say Gayle would be an enticing option.
He's a health risk in our current system. He would be expected to do what we're trying to get RLC and Cav to do. What we were trying to have Bobby do before we moved him to the RWB spot.
I doubt our ownership group can't see the risk is greater than the reward with Gayle. If that article I linked is any indication Newcastle don't want to sell him anyway. And in what world would Newcastle move him to us with any indication he would strengthen our staying up?