No idea what game Danny Murphy saw. On MOTD he believes:
- the Areola/Bogle incident was a penalty (in no way was it a penalty, Areola gets the ball)
- Loftus-Cheek was "the best player on the pitch" (eh?)
Quote from: Brawn on February 20, 2021, 10:53:38 PM
No idea what game Danny Murphy saw. On MOTD he believes:
- the Areola/Bogle incident was a penalty (in no way was it a penalty, Areola gets the ball)
- Loftus-Cheek was "the best player on the pitch" (eh?)
Exactly. What does an ex-professional footballer who has won a bit of silverware know about football?
I wish some fans would try to view these things a bit more from a neutral stand-point.
Every time I have seen the replay, I can see Bogle touch the ball first, which then goes on to Areola, who is flying out and crashes into Bogle's knee in a pretty reckless manner.
Somewhat agree that the media's obsession with praising RLC at every given oppertunity is slightly OTT, but I think he had an OK game tonight
Have to be honest, didnt think a pen my self but would not have been surprised if VAR gave it
Personally thought RLC wad one of our best players over the 90
It was close. On a different day I could see it being given as a penalty. Though I still think Areola got to the ball at the same time and got enough of it for it now to be .
I can see why someone might think that to be a penalty. Areola blocks the ball with his left leg, but kicks the Sheffield man with his outstretched right. It's one of those decisions that can go either way. I reckon VAR didn't intervene because it wasn't an obvious error; For the same reason , however, had the referee awarded a penalty, I think VAR would have agreed it should stand.
A slice of good fortune for us.
it's a 50 50 ball that keeper has to go for and actually he gets the ball as the forward's studs clip our keeper's ankle. never in a million years is it a penalty let alone a red card.
The keeper just has to make that challenge.
Sorry, never a penalty for me. I thought Loftus Cheek showed glimpses of why he's such well thought of, but I disagree with Danny here on both those points. Andersen, Anguissa, Areola and Reed for me today, were all superb. Loftus Cheek if he finished or supplied would get the higher accolade but he was just short again. if he turns it on at this stage of the season, it could be a seriously strong end to the season for us.
Although I don't think it was a penalty I have to say that you have seen them given. Lady Luck was on our side today
Quote from: Andy S on February 20, 2021, 11:39:09 PM
Although I don't think it was a penalty I have to say that you have seen them given. Lady Luck was on our side today
That's the rub for me. I think all things considered, it's not a penalty, but it certainly could of been as errors and interpretations of events can differ match to match.
I thought that was one of the best games I have seen from Loftus Cheek in quite a while. As to the late game controversy, we were due for a break in our fortunes this season. That was a massive W. Not a pen, it was a 50/50 ball.
Given the Newcastle pen we got against us then I think it's evened up there personally. Could have been one ultimately it wasn't so let's move on take the points and focus on Palace
Quote from: junior white on February 21, 2021, 07:41:57 AM
Given the Newcastle pen we got against us then I think it's evened up there personally. Could have been one ultimately it wasn't so let's move on take the points and focus on Palace
Not to mention the pen sheffield utd got in our away game !
On RLC, if he was one of our own academy products I think we would be praising him to the hills. He has looked more useful in recent games and if he could improve his finishing could be the driving force for goals in the team. He has been let down by a combination of poor finishing by him and the players he has delivered to. Some of his dribbling and combination play yesterday was very good. I reckon one goal could be the spark.
Just looked at the incident again , definitely a penalty !
I am not bias in any means of the word..... Bogle should of been sent off...... RLC should be given a Knighthood
If Danny Murphy - who you can tell still has a soft spot for us - thinks it was a penalty, it was probably a penalty.
We had a decision go our way, we won. There is nothing more to it, there isn't a conspiracy by the BBC/Sky/Now TV/Netflix/Amazon/Disney+ to make us go down. If you think there is, you seriously need to give your head a wobble.
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on February 21, 2021, 08:57:05 AM
If Danny Murphy - who you can tell still has a soft spot for us - thinks it was a penalty, it was probably a penalty.
We had a decision go our way, we won. There is nothing more to it, there isn't a conspiracy by the BBC/Sky/Now TV/Netflix/Amazon/Disney+ to make us go down. If you think there is, you seriously need to give your head a wobble.
Lol, don't hold back will you.
But I do agree, it's nothing to do with BBC bias, nonsense post.
Quote from: cookieg on February 20, 2021, 10:55:05 PM
Quote from: Brawn on February 20, 2021, 10:53:38 PM
No idea what game Danny Murphy saw. On MOTD he believes:
- the Areola/Bogle incident was a penalty (in no way was it a penalty, Areola gets the ball)
- Loftus-Cheek was "the best player on the pitch" (eh?)
Exactly. What does an ex-professional footballer who has won a bit of silverware know about football?
Think Danny sometimes feels pressure from the Liniker person as mostly he's very supportive of us which seems to be a source of amusement for the latter. perhaps he felt he couldn't show bias, but never a pen Alphonse blocks the ball before there is any contact with the SU player.
Quote from: Andy S on February 20, 2021, 11:39:09 PM
Although I don't think it was a penalty I have to say that you have seen them given. Lady Luck was on our side today
+1. With our situation we need a bit of luck. Thanks VAR. :54:
I don't buy the bias aspect but it wasn't a pen. A keeper can challenge for a ball within 2 yards of his goal. As for Murphy, I have a soft spot for him but often disagree with him particularly on talksport. Games about opinions though so like to listen to him still but just because he sometimes says nice things about us doesn't mean he has authority on an objective truth of a situation.
It's the follow through that gets the Sheff Utd player which is the issue. Yes Areola blocked the ball but did give the forward a kick.
Quote from: cookieg on February 21, 2021, 09:40:34 AM
It's the follow through that gets the Sheff Utd player which is the issue. Yes Areola blocked the ball but did give the forward a kick.
But in almost all tackles there's some follow through. I don't see from the angles of both players, how he can't make contact, and win the ball.
I find it amusing that Danny Murphy who's never officiated an official game knows more than both the on-field referee & the refs at Stockley Park.
I don't care what it was we have 3 points.About time we a fair rub of the green.This was a main taking point because how important it was for us.
Quote from: SP on February 21, 2021, 09:53:01 AM
I find it amusing that Danny Murphy who's never officiated an official game knows more than both the on-field referee & the refs at Stockley Park.
Or the refs don't know as much about the game as those who actually played it at a high level.
Quote from: FFC1987 on February 21, 2021, 09:49:44 AM
Quote from: cookieg on February 21, 2021, 09:40:34 AM
It's the follow through that gets the Sheff Utd player which is the issue. Yes Areola blocked the ball but did give the forward a kick.
But in almost all tackles there's some follow through. I don't see from the angles of both players, how he can't make contact, and win the ball.
You get many sendings off when this happens outfield when the player may have got a touch on the ball but the follow through takes out the other player.
Sheffield knew how good RLC was as they chopped him down every time they could. How many fouls were there on him?
Quote from: cookieg on February 21, 2021, 10:14:13 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on February 21, 2021, 09:49:44 AM
Quote from: cookieg on February 21, 2021, 09:40:34 AM
It's the follow through that gets the Sheff Utd player which is the issue. Yes Areola blocked the ball but did give the forward a kick.
But in almost all tackles there's some follow through. I don't see from the angles of both players, how he can't make contact, and win the ball.
You get many sendings off when this happens outfield when the player may have got a touch on the ball but the follow through takes out the other player.
But that's mainly because of the lunging at speed actions, not a GK whose almost planted. Again, it's extremely different and not a fair comparison.
Quote from: cookieg on February 21, 2021, 10:11:38 AM
Quote from: SP on February 21, 2021, 09:53:01 AM
I find it amusing that Danny Murphy who's never officiated an official game knows more than both the on-field referee & the refs at Stockley Park.
Or the refs don't know as much about the game as those who actually played it at a high level.
Yes, a valid point, but not the point I'm making. My post was about understanding the laws of football & enforcing the interpretation of them. Danny may well be an expert in this area?
I think it is great having talking points over football matches. We have all watched the same game from the same angle on tv yet some feel it was a cast iron penalty while others don't think so. Even the ex pros see it differently to the referee's There is only one ruling that is important. That was the referees during the game
The thing is though, for everyone saying it's a penalty, explain to me what Areola was meant to do differently? The ball is two yards from the goal, he HAS to go for it in normal circumstances, let alone the 90th minute of a relegation dogfight that's massive in terms of how the season pans out, and he puts his body on the line as you'd expect a pro to do. Yes Bogle touches it first but Areola blocks the ball with his left leg, and his right leg goes in to Bogle. It's not like we can alter the laws of physics to stop his momentum, it was two players both going in for the ball and it ending in a collision that was deemed a fair outcome of a 50/50 by VAR. Sets a very dangerous precedent if we're saying a keeper can't dive in to make a save (which he makes because he gets the ball before the man). I'd understand if he didn't cleanly block the ball and cleaned out Bogle, I.e it continued on towards the goal rather than away from it that then you've got a case for a penalty, but I don't get what he was meant to do differently that wouldn't have resulted in him and Bogle coming together after making a save?
if the incident was at the other end of the pitch chris wilder would have said it was never a penalty, nor a sending off nor reckless. we all know that..and I would agree with him.
but he is a biased bitter man and so invents fiction. the pundits were also wrong, the lot of them. I do not know why, the keeper was not reckless, he went for the ball in a proper manner, as did the forward, that was genuinely what happens in a 50 50 challenge.
I was sweating on that late incident, 2 precious points were at stake as well as Arelola missing matches. Relegation or safety could have hinged on that decision.
Quote from: ALG01 on February 21, 2021, 11:41:56 AM
if the incident was at the other end of the pitch chris wilder would have said it was never a penalty, nor a sending off nor reckless. we all know that..and I would agree with him.
but he is a biased bitter man and so invents fiction. the pundits were also wrong, the lot of them. I do not know why, the keeper was not reckless, he went for the ball in a proper manner, as did the forward, that was genuinely what happens in a 50 50 challenge.
Yes, funny that Wilder didn't mind Baldock literally kicking lumps out of Lookman. Having said that, the ref didn't seem to mind either.